ACC not doing good

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The ACC right now is the conference that is embarrassing themselves. BC losing to a less than stellar Vandy team, Tech getting run off the field against an average LSU team. Also N.C State and UNC crumbled against so-so Big East squads. The ACC getting 9 bowl invites was a joke.

[JohnStOnge]

The ACC right now is the conference that is embarrassing themselves. BC losing to a less than stellar Vandy team, Tech getting run off the field against an average LSU team. Also N.C State and UNC crumbled against so-so Big East squads. The ACC getting 9 bowl invites was a joke.

What's weird is that the ACC did pretty well in non conference play during the regular season. As far as 9 teams going to bowls being a joke...you have to keep things in perspective. There are 34 bowls now. 68 teams are needed and there are only 119 FBS teams. If a BCS league school gets six wins it's probably going. Even a non-BCS league like the Gosh-Awful MAC sent 5 teams to bowls.

[petethepenguin15]

getting 5 teams in was no doubt a joke

but they have some good teams like gt nd vt

gt did just get killed but a bad lsu team so now i am questioning their talent

if vt beats cinci i wont think any less about the acc

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

ACC did have a pretty good record versus the ACC...

And they still did better than the obese 10.

[seantaylor]

ACC is garbage. Can't believe Tech got run off the field by an also ran.

[813Jag]

The one team I care about won so I'm not worried about the rest of those guys. All will be right in the next two years. xthumbsupx

[TheValleyRaider]

ACC is going to be a very dangerous conference in the next couple of seasons

FSU and Miami are reloading, good coaches at UNC and GT, Beamer-Ball still at VT, Clemson will rebound as well, there's some good building going on there xnodx

[Tod]

What's weird is that the ACC did pretty well in non conference play during the regular season. As far as 9 teams going to bowls being a joke...you have to keep things in perspective. There are 34 bowls now. 68 teams are needed and there are only 119 FBS teams. If a BCS league school gets six wins it's probably going. Even a non-BCS league like the Gosh-Awful MAC sent 5 teams to bowls.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention lately, but...68 teams out of 119 is more than 50%.

I thought you had to have six wins to be eligible for a bowl game.

Is this where the FCS games come into play?

Let's just tell them "$1,000,000 bucks or no deal". xeyebrowx

[Lionsrking]

The ACC right now is the conference that is embarrassing themselves. BC losing to a less than stellar Vandy team, Tech getting run off the field against an average LSU team. Also N.C State and UNC crumbled against so-so Big East squads. The ACC getting 9 bowl invites was a joke.

LSU played "average" during the year - for a variety of reasons - but they were far from average last night...talent-wise, they're as good as anybody and with a month to get healthy - develop a true freshman QB- and prepare for the triple option - they were locked and loaded for bear against GT...that was a bad matchup from the word go for the Yellow Jackets.

[SideLine Shooter]

LSU played "average" during the year - for a variety of reasons - but they were far from average last night...talent-wise, they're as good as anybody and with a month to get healthy - develop a true freshman QB- and prepare for the triple option - they were locked and loaded for bear against GT...that was a bad matchup from the word go for the Yellow Jackets.

They all have ATHLETES. It boils down to who shows up ready to play on any given day. I do think LSU probably had the better athletes of any team. They just didn't show up to play every game this year.

And the ACC is terrible, pitiful, and on top of that a disgrace.

[JohnStOnge]

ACC is garbage. Can't believe Tech got run off the field by an also ran.

LSU is still very athletic. The Tigers had two big problems during the season. One is that they were horrible against the pass and the other is that they didn't have a consistently effective quarterback.

It turned out that they matched up well against the option with all their size and speed on defense and their true freshman quarterback had his coming out party. That guy played really, really well. They never got quarterback play anything like that at any point during the regular season.

Also, Georgia Tech really laid an egg. They made a lot of mistakes to get behind the 8 ball big time early on.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm an advocate of looking at the whole season and not just the bowls when gauging conference strength. During the regular season, the ACC was 13-7 against other BCS league+Notre Dame teams; including 6-4 against the SEC. Georgia Tech was 2-0 against the SEC including that win over Georgia. If I'm counting right they are now 1-5 against other BCS leagues in bowls so they're at 14-12 overall. Only one more matchup I see and that's Virginia Tech/Cincinatti.

[813Jag]

I'm an advocate of looking at the whole season and not just the bowls when gauging conference strength. During the regular season, the ACC was 13-7 against other BCS league+Notre Dame teams; including 6-4 against the SEC. Georgia Tech was 2-0 against the SEC including that win over Georgia. If I'm counting right they are now 1-5 against other BCS leagues in bowls so they're at 14-12 overall. Only one more matchup I see and that's Virginia Tech/Cincinatti.
Clemson plays Nebraska

[813Jag]

Bowl games are about matchups and who stays motivated over the break. The only teams who looked bad in their bowl was NC State (although it's questionable if they should have been there) and Georgia Tech (although they were ahead of schedule). Miami looked as they had all season and UNC lost a tight game to West Virginia (who's no slouch). BC let one get away to Vandy.

[JohnStOnge]

The only teams who looked bad in their bowl was NC State (although it's questionable if they should have been there) and Georgia Tech (although they were ahead of schedule). Miami looked as they had all season and UNC lost a tight game to West Virginia (who's no slouch). BC let one get away to Vandy.

I think North Carolina State looked very good until its starting quarterback went down. I don't think there's any way Rutgers would've beaten them if that hadn't happened. They had a 17-6 lead when he left the game and his backup threw three interceptions to help the Rutgers comeback.

[Gil Dobie]

Just as bad is the Big Ten. :o

[furpal87]

First of all the ACC had 10 teams in bowls and finished 4-6, only one of the losses was by more than 7 points. The others were 1,2,6,5, and 7. All of them had the ball at the end of the game with a chance. That showed the one weakness of the conference other than Wilson, very poor to average QB play this year. Only one win was by 7 or less. Much better than the Big 10 who went a lovely 1-4 with Ohio State getting blown out left. The closest game was Mich State's 12 point loss. Pac-10 had a great season, but no one other than Oregon State had to travel a long way, they all played within an hour's flight. That's the advantage for all three sunshine conferences (PAC-10, Big 12, SEC).

[813Jag]

First of all the ACC had 10 teams in bowls and finished 4-6, only one of the losses was by more than 7 points. The others were 1,2,6,5, and 7. All of them had the ball at the end of the game with a chance. That showed the one weakness of the conference other than Wilson, very poor to average QB play this year. Only one win was by 7 or less. Much better than the Big 10 who went a lovely 1-4 with Ohio State getting blown out left. The closest game was Mich State's 12 point loss. Pac-10 had a great season, but no one other than Oregon State had to travel a long way, they all played within an hour's flight. That's the advantage for all three sunshine conferences (PAC-10, Big 12, SEC).
This is a key point. Close losses and big (margin) wins. This league is no where near as bad as people say.

[nwFL Griz]

This is a key point. Close losses and big (margin) wins. This league is no where near as bad as people say.

Top to bottom the ACC is a very good league, no heavy hitter this year, but will have in the next few years.

The Ga Tech game not a surprise, option teams are easy to defend when you have a long time to prep for them, especially with the athletes that LSU has.

BC basically didn't show up yet still had a chance to win.

Miami....what can I say about my Canes....worst clock management ever. The last three minutes of that game cost Patrick Nix his job. (Though he should have still been fired anyway).

NCST wins if Wilson doesn't go down.

UNC...Pat White wanted it more.

Clemson, I have no clue what happened to them. The biggest underachiever of the year in my view.

[813Jag]

Top to bottom the ACC is a very good league, no heavy hitter this year, but will have in the next few years.

The Ga Tech game not a surprise, option teams are easy to defend when you have a long time to prep for them, especially with the athletes that LSU has.

BC basically didn't show up yet still had a chance to win.

Miami....what can I say about my Canes....worst clock management ever. The last three minutes of that game cost Patrick Nix his job. (Though he should have still been fired anyway).

NCST wins if Wilson doesn't go down.

UNC...Pat White wanted it more.

Clemson, I have no clue what happened to them. The biggest underachiever of the year in my view.
That lack of a sexy team obscures people's view of the league. Lots of teams are on the upswing.

Hopefully Ponder will continue to develop and the Noles will rise again. Along with Miami returning to form will do nothing but help the league.

[nwFL Griz]

That lack of a sexy team obscures people's view of the league. Lots of teams are on the upswing.

Hopefully Ponder will continue to develop and the Noles will rise again. Along with Miami returning to form will do nothing but help the league.

Agree totally.

BTW, I've heard rumors ESPN is trying to get the FSU-UM game moved back to Labor Day. I hated it that way, neither team was ready for that and it made for some crappy games.

[furpal87]

Think FSU-GT maybe game of year next year. Jury is still out on Shannon's coaching ability. Great recruiter, needs to improve on field issues.

[813Jag]

Agree totally.

BTW, I've heard rumors ESPN is trying to get the FSU-UM game moved back to Labor Day. I hated it that way, neither team was ready for that and it made for some crappy games.
I hope not, that game is a midseason game.

[seantaylor]

The ACC lost a bunch of games that they were favored to win.

[Tribefan]

Watching the Orange Bowl last night after viewing USC's romp was like watching a JV game. VT and Cincy which are supposed to be the cream of the Big East and the ACC looked awful.

Miami and FSU have been supposedly reloading for years. I think that it will take a great deal of time for them to climb back. Back in the day a Santana Moss would consider walking on to Miami, nowadays the Santana Mosses of the state of Florida get full rides USF, UCF, FAU, FIU or they get picked up cheeky schools from up north like Rutgers.

Florida is having their way down there and its more complicated than just Miami and FSU waiting to reload. They'll be waiting for a while.

[813Jag]

Watching the Orange Bowl last night after viewing USC's romp was like watching a JV game. VT and Cincy which are supposed to be the cream of the Big East and the ACC looked awful.

Miami and FSU have been supposedly reloading for years. I think that it will take a great deal of time for them to climb back. Back in the day a Santana Moss would consider walking on to Miami, nowadays the Santana Mosses of the state of Florida get full rides USF, UCF, FAU, FIU or they get picked up cheeky schools from up north like Rutgers.

Florida is having their way down there and its more complicated than just Miami and FSU waiting to reload. They'll be waiting for a while.
Florida State's problems went beyond the field, it was the attitude of the players. Lots of those guys felt like just because they wear Garnet and Gold they were supposed to be great. Believe me with the talent in this state FSU, Miami, and UF get what they want. Not many kids choose USF, UCF, FAU, or FIU over the big 3. FSU picked up two kids who have contributed right out of USF's backyard because the Bulls don't recruit this area hard.

FSU or Miami may never reach their 90's status, but FSU is improving, this team was much better than the last two seasons. With a young O-Line gaining expierence and young players at the skill positions, the future is bright. If Bobby doesn't meddle too much.