Chizik to Auburn

[Hansel]

this opens up the Iowa State job..... would UNI coach Farley consider it?

[Franks Tanks]

this opens up the Iowa State job..... would UNI coach Farley consider it?

Nice hire there Auburn.

[jaysix]

I think this is a great hire. Iowa State oughta look into bringing McCarney back.

[Mountain Panther]

this opens up the Iowa State job..... would UNI coach Farley consider it?

Good question.....surprised that Auburn would take him considering he didn't turn ISU's program around.

[Hansel]

Good question.....surprised that Auburn would take him considering he didn't turn ISU's program around.

Iowa State is probably the toughest place to put together a winning program in the big 12... Dan Mcarney (sp?) might have done about as well as anyone could... at least he owned Iowa over a 6-7 year span

[jaysix]

Good question.....surprised that Auburn would take him considering he didn't turn ISU's program around.

He was at Auburn recent enough that players he helped recruit are still there. Chizik coached Auburn's defense in the Sugar Bowl less than four years ago.

[catamount man]

Auburn hires a guy that went 5-19 at Iowa State.

Wanna know what that noise is in Tuscaloosa?
Answer: xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't understand this hire. It basically seemed like everyone turned down the position and they had to go to the second page of candidates.

[catamount man]

Klean, chime in PLEASE. We're just dying to hear your take. xthumbsupx

[Big Al]

this opens up the Iowa State job..... would UNI coach Farley consider it?

Not a chance.

[Big Al]

He was at Auburn recent enough that players he helped recruit are still there. Chizik coached Auburn's defense in the Sugar Bowl less than four years ago.

All true. However, have you seen the mess he made of ISU? He took a below-average program and turned it into a mockery. Auburn will be rueing the day they fired Tuberville.

[mrklean]

Klean, chime in PLEASE. We're just dying to hear your take. xthumbsupx

TYPICAL!

[catamount man]

TYPICAL!

I have missed you as well. Seriously, where ya been? xthumbsupx

[HI54UNI]

ISU fans are very happy to see Chizik go. Auburn even has to pay ISU $750,000 to take him off Iowa State's hands. Can't get a better deal than that.

ISU fans aren't too hip on Farley. ISU hired UNI's BB coach a couple years ago and it's not going so good. They don't want to see that happen. I also think Farley is smart enough not to go to ISU. He saw what happened when Terry Allen went to Kansas.

[LacesOut]

This is a 'WTF' hire!

[Mountain Panther]

I also think Farley is smart enough not to go to ISU.

I have a feeling he'd go if offered the job...trust me.

[Marcus Garvey]

I don't understand this hire. It basically seemed like everyone turned down the position and they had to go to the second page of candidates.

I think all the A.D.'s who've hired football coaches the last couple of years were playing poker one day.
Syrcause's AD said to WVU's A.D., "I'll see your Bill Stewart and raise you Doug Marrone."
Meanwhile, when it was Auburn's turn, rather than checking, their A.D. said, "F--k you! I'm all in! Gene Chizik b!tches!"

At least, that's as plausible an explanation as any for 3 of the worst I-A hirings this past year.

[catamount man]

Yeah, but Stewart has WVU at 8-4 and going to a bowl compared to the other schools. Just saying. xthumbsupx

[Marcus Garvey]

Yeah, but Stewart has WVU at 8-4 and going to a bowl compared to the other schools. Just saying. xthumbsupx

Yeah. He took a team that had gone 10-2 the year before, and was a legitimate National Championship contender, and f--ked it up. He put blinders and shackles on their best offensive threat, Pat White.

I did not like WVU's decision to hire Stewart. He smelled like a rebound relationship where one gets dumped in a humilating fashion, then starts dating the first girl who will sleep with him. After watching him screw up this season, I feel bad for WVU fans. That program is heading in the wrong direction.

[bluehenbillk]

As much as Charles Barkley says stupid things, he's right on the money with this hire. Why not hire Turner Gill for this job??

[BlueHen86]

As much as Charles Barkley says stupid things, he's right on the money with this hire. Why not hire Turner Gill for this job??

I usually agree with Charlesxlolx , and do here as well.

[Biff]

As much as Charles Barkley says stupid things, he's right on the money with this hire. Why not hire Turner Gill for this job??

No he's wrong. Barkley wanted a black coach PERIOD. He doesn't care about resumes, and is only hiding behind that excuse to get his agenda approved to have a black coach. No one is going to point out how racist his thoughts are because in our society you can't be racist unless you are white. Just look at what he tried to do when he was asked to be on the Basketball Coach selection committee. He agreed only if a black coach would be hired.

HOWEVER, Turner Gill is the better choice in my opinion. But, I didn't agree with what they did to Tuberville. Sounds like they may need a new AD.

[appfan2008]

This is a 'WTF' hire!

when i heard who they had chosen this was precisely my response...

[appfan2008]

there are dozens of coaches who would take this job out there who are much more qualified than chizik... but this is what you get when you have a school that is run by good ole boy boosters... auburn is a top 20 job maybe even top15 and to hire a coach with a 5-19 record is a disgrace... i give it next october before the fans are begging to bring back tuberville

[panther25]

Agreed entirely Biff. Turner Gill would have been a better choice, but I don't agree that Auburn didn't hire Gill because he is black. Barkley always makes race an issue. It seems he forgets most of America proved racism is dying this past November. Chizik has a relationship with Auburn already. He's probably buddies with the AD. That and the fact that Auburns D allowed 11 PPG and ranked in the top 5 defenses, plus went 13-0 while Chizik was the D coordinator probably led to him being hired, NOT Turner Gills race. Still agree Gill would have been a better choice though!

[Hoyadestroya85]

But Auburn's problem wasn't their defense.. it was the offense. What's he gonna do now? He's probably gonna take a run at Norm Chow when Neuheisel is fired.. Norm Chow is the most overrated coordinator in football. He had so much success because he had arguably the most talented offense in NCAA history.
I don't think it's racist at all that they skipped on Gill.. just stupid he's an intelligent, good looking black man who knows his crap turned a perennial loser into a conference champion in very little time.

[panther25]

Couldn't agree more on Norm Chow. Auburns best option would have been to not run Tuberville out. It will be interesting to see how much this affects Auburns already diminishing recruiting class. The lost 7 recruits after Tubervilles "resignation" then lost one of their top recruits yesterday. Im sure more will follow

[Franks Tanks]

But Auburn's problem wasn't their defense.. it was the offense. What's he gonna do now? He's probably gonna take a run at Norm Chow when Neuheisel is fired.. Norm Chow is the most overrated coordinator in football. He had so much success because he had arguably the most talented offense in NCAA history.
I don't think it's racist at all that they skipped on Gill.. just stupid he's an intelligent, good looking black man who knows his crap turned a perennial loser into a conference champion in very little time.

Chow ran a pretty good offense at BYU as well without tremendous talent.

[Marcus Garvey]

2 thoughts here:
1) Would Gill have accepted the offer? I think Auburn is a bad fit for him. If Gill is smart, which I think he is, he should have thought long and hard about accepting any offer from Auburn. Here's a thought I'm throwing out: Maybe, during the interview, Gill didn't seem too enthused to the Auburn administration? Just saying, as I certainly don't know for sure.

2) Norm Chow's name comes up every year for a head coaching job, yet he's never hired. That tells me that he's got some personality issues that are blocking his chances at being a head coach. The fact that BYU hired Gary Crowton to replace LaVell Edwards instead of long-time O.C. (and devout LDS) Chow speaks volumes on the subject.

[GannonFan]

In the long run this is better for Gill - Auburn's a mess and he'd eventually be run out by the boosters running the show down there regardless of his performance. That's not a happy place to be and there are much better jobs around for him. He'll find a job soon that will make him happy he didn't take the Auburn gig.

[JMU DJ]

In response to Jim Zorn exclaiming that he is the worst coach ever, Colin Cowherd of ESPN had this to say:

"You are not the worst coach ever, Auburn just hired him"

[bluehenbillk]

I'm glad I'm not an Auburn fan right now.

[3rd Coast Tiger]

Klean, chime in PLEASE. We're just dying to hear your take. xthumbsupx

Moderators, isn't this what you warned me about: baiting xconfusedx

[TCisMYhero]

Auburn deserves Chizik after practically running Tuberville out of town.

[Big Al]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AuQOs0Y_GpQj07f_BQF3UFQcvrYF?slug=dw-auburncoach121508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I think think this article does a good job of explaining why Auburn's choice of Chizik looks like prejudice against black candidates.

[woffordgrad94]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AuQOs0Y_GpQj07f_BQF3UFQcvrYF?slug=dw-auburncoach121508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I think think this article does a good job of explaining why Auburn's choice of Chizik looks like prejudice against black candidates.

JUST SHUT THE H UP WITH THE STUPID CALLS OF RACISM ALREADY!!!! This is the year 2008, soon to be 2009, and a big university like Auburn is simply not going to make a decision based on race alone, and it is absolutely foolish to think they would. I'm sure Auburn had their own stupid reasons for hiring the guy they did. They did not hire the right guy in my opinion, and few people think they did. But I simply can't accept that in the year 2008 when America has put an African-American man in the White House, that race had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with their choice. Their choice was based on some lame reasons unrelated to race. The race card is now unavailable in America...we are simply not that kind of society anymore. Hell, people don't even think about race when it comes to selecting husbands/wives anymore!

[Big Al]

Well, why did Chizik get the job over 2 interested, successful black candidates? If not to placate some good-old-boy donors who can't fathom a black coach, then what?

Yes, I'm sure nobody said, "We can't let a darkie coach at Auburn!" They found other, less explicitly racist but equally dubious reasons.

[Shellin]

The honest truth here is that not a single one of us debating this topic here can say whether or not race was a factor. None of us were on their search committee or in their private meetings, we cannot know for sure one way or another. Gill has proven to be a more effective head coach than Chizik has and Chizik has ties to the university, I can see why the university would hire either guy. If I were a fan of Auburn I would have wanted them to hire Gill because I personally think he would do a better job, but there isn't anything fans can do about it now except support their football team with Chizik as coach.

[Peems]

I think Iowa St. should hire Tuberville xlolx would anyone argue that they wouldn't get the better deal out of that?

[DSUrocks07]

I think Iowa St. should hire Tuberville xlolx would anyone argue that they wouldn't get the better deal out of that?

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[woffordgrad94]

Well, why did Chizik get the job over 2 interested, successful black candidates? If not to placate some good-old-boy donors who can't fathom a black coach, then what?

Yes, I'm sure nobody said, "We can't let a darkie coach at Auburn!" They found other, less explicitly racist but equally dubious reasons.

OKay, I know that this will be a HORRIBLE thing to say, but the kind of bigotry that you speak of in those "good old boy" donors will die with the bigots, and I say the sooner that is, in some ways the better off our society will be! They are, for the most part, old men hanging on to the notion that it is still 1960. Get this story:

I come from Wellford, SC, which is in many ways a stereotypical Southern redneck town just west of Spartanburg. A lot of the oldtimers there still hang on to dated beliefs and notions. Case in point- I once ate in Gail's Restaurant, a local business, and the old woman running the place there REALLY thought it was 1957 and not the 21st century- she was markedly cool to the black customer beside me (and not cool in a good way), and the place only took CASH- no credit, no debit. I actually told her that she needed to realize that she was not in Mayberry. She then muttered something about "young'uns having no kinda respect". SHE was the one in the dark, the one with no respect for the modern times she now lived in. I guess my point is that true racism only lives on now in old dinosaurs like her- and in about ten years when a lot of these people are gone, I really think things will be better even than they are today in this area.

[Big Al]

No, it's not horrible, it's the truth. Sometimes my dad says stuff that I can't figure out where it came from --- I certainly never heard it growing up. I guess he lost his counter-balance when my mom died. Another story -- my wife's grandpa is 90 and had a home health aide for a while but they quit sending one because she was black and he kept on making comments.

Like you said, that kind of racism will die some day (hopefully soon).


OKay, I know that this will be a HORRIBLE thing to say, but the kind of bigotry that you speak of in those "good old boy" donors will die with the bigots, and I say the sooner that is, in some ways the better off our society will be! They are, for the most part, old men hanging on to the notion that it is still 1960. Get this story:

I come from Wellford, SC, which is in many ways a stereotypical Southern redneck town just west of Spartanburg. A lot of the oldtimers there still hang on to dated beliefs and notions. Case in point- I once ate in Gail's Restaurant, a local business, and the old woman running the place there REALLY thought it was 1957 and not the 21st century- she was markedly cool to the black customer beside me (and not cool in a good way), and the place only took CASH- no credit, no debit. I actually told her that she needed to realize that she was not in Mayberry. She then muttered something about "young'uns having no kinda respect". SHE was the one in the dark, the one with no respect for the modern times she now lived in. I guess my point is that true racism only lives on now in old dinosaurs like her- and in about ten years when a lot of these people are gone, I really think things will be better even than they are today in this area.

[mrklean]

JUST SHUT THE H UP WITH THE STUPID CALLS OF RACISM ALREADY!!!! This is the year 2008, soon to be 2009, and a big university like Auburn is simply not going to make a decision based on race alone, and it is absolutely foolish to think they would. I'm sure Auburn had their own stupid reasons for hiring the guy they did. They did not hire the right guy in my opinion, and few people think they did. But I simply can't accept that in the year 2008 when America has put an African-American man in the White House, that race had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with their choice. Their choice was based on some lame reasons unrelated to race. The race card is now unavailable in America...we are simply not that kind of society anymore. Hell, people don't even think about race when it comes to selecting husbands/wives anymore!


Dayum, you are so simple!xreadx

[Reign of Terrier]

OKay, I know that this will be a HORRIBLE thing to say, but the kind of bigotry that you speak of in those "good old boy" donors will die with the bigots, and I say the sooner that is, in some ways the better off our society will be! They are, for the most part, old men hanging on to the notion that it is still 1960. Get this story:

I come from Wellford, SC, which is in many ways a stereotypical Southern redneck town just west of Spartanburg. A lot of the oldtimers there still hang on to dated beliefs and notions. Case in point- I once ate in Gail's Restaurant, a local business, and the old woman running the place there REALLY thought it was 1957 and not the 21st century- she was markedly cool to the black customer beside me (and not cool in a good way), and the place only took CASH- no credit, no debit. I actually told her that she needed to realize that she was not in Mayberry. She then muttered something about "young'uns having no kinda respect". SHE was the one in the dark, the one with no respect for the modern times she now lived in. I guess my point is that true racism only lives on now in old dinosaurs like her- and in about ten years when a lot of these people are gone, I really think things will be better even than they are today in this area.

Actually it depends on where you are and who you talk to. I've heard the "N" word where I live now (by young people) than the last place I lived. Thankfully though that is still a minority.

[Marcus Garvey]

Latest rumor has Arizona's Mike Stoops showing interest in the Iowa St. job.

Ugggghhhh... If he's seriously interested in ISU, then he's a f--king retard. If he's using it as a leverage to improve his contract with UofA, then he's simply a retard, sans embelishment.

In order for using another job offer as leverage, your current employer must find the threat to leave credible.
I picture Mike Stoops standing at the top of the east grandstand at Arizona Stadium trying to get A.D. Jim Livengood convinced he's serious.

Mike Stoops: I swear I'll do it man! I'll jump!
Jim Livengood: No you won't Mikey. Now why don't you be a good boy, and come on down. We'll go get a popsicle at Dairy Queen and talk this over.

[Mountain Panther]

Latest rumor has Arizona's Mike Stoops showing interest in the Iowa St. job.

Ugggghhhh... If he's seriously interested in ISU, then he's a f--king retard. If he's using it as a leverage to improve his contract with UofA, then he's simply a retard, sans embelishment.

In order for using another job offer as leverage, your current employer must find the threat to leave credible.
I picture Mike Stoops standing at the top of the east grandstand at Arizona Stadium trying to get A.D. Jim Livengood convinced he's serious.

Mike Stoops: I swear I'll do it man! I'll jump!
Jim Livengood: No you won't Mikey. Now why don't you be a good boy, and come on down. We'll go get a popsicle at Dairy Queen and talk this over.

Very doubtful he's going to ISU, just wishing thinking in Ames.

So since UNI blew it again in the playoffs I have nothing else to do but broaden my horizon and read up on other Iowa sports. Was reviewing ISU's potential coaching hires on Wikipedia and it seems some ISU fan (or Iowa fan, who knows) decided to have a little fun with Mike Stoops' bio:

Jamie Pollard, Iowa State's Athletic Director, proclaimed the hiring of Stoops as "a continuation of the unblemished record of success since I arrived at Iowa State, and a sharp stick in the eye to those hated Hawkeyes and their fans." He then wept openly.

Knowing that wouldn't last long I checked back 5 minutes later and found this:

Stoops is on the record as saying, "Leaving the University of Iowa was the best move I ever made. What a dump..."

Although I did find this true statement particularly impressive:

In the six-game AFL regular season, Stoops caught 22 passes, scored 3 TDs, made 15 tackles and recorded an interception playing both WR and DB positions.

[furpal87]

I know this whole issue about race is a touchy subject, but both here and Syracuse you've got to come to one of two conclusions: racist or morons.
I'll give them both benefit of the doubt and call them morons. :D

Now let me put in a couple of things I've heard the past few days that were interesting. Barkley did say on PTI that he apologized to Chizik and his family about the remarks about him. Second he said that he would have been just as happy with the Ball State coach, because of his record. You can take anything Sir Charles says with a grain of salt, but honestly when you saw this choice how many of you thought either this is Auburn being racist or you're going to hear someone complaint about the racist angle or like me some combination of that's a strange pick, not very good, I wonder if race is involved, and boy is there going to be a firestorm over this.

The second fact/opinion I heard this week was from Jemelle (sp?) Hill, the African-American women on ESPN's 1st and 10 segment this week. She said Gill and also Charlie Strong (Fla def. co-ord), would never get head coaching jobs in the South because not only are they black, but their wives are white. Her point was that black women from the generation who are mothers now, don't trust African-American men who marry white girls, and wouldn't want their sons to play for them. She said she doesn't think either of those two would be head coaches in the South, definitely, and maybe never at a big-time program, except maybe if Gill takes over at Nebraska someday, because they won't be able to recruit a certain percentage of athletes, because of the mother's prejudice.

Now I find these to be interesting opinions. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but the one thing this hire has done is started some interesting conversations.

[Marcus Garvey]

I'm of the opinion that Gill wasn't too enamored of Auburn. I mean, he can do a whole lot better than that mess.
It's a black hole for coaches.

[mrklean]

I know this whole issue about race is a touchy subject, but both here and Syracuse you've got to come to one of two conclusions: racist or morons.
I'll give them both benefit of the doubt and call them morons. :D

Now let me put in a couple of things I've heard the past few days that were interesting. Barkley did say on PTI that he apologized to Chizik and his family about the remarks about him. Second he said that he would have been just as happy with the Ball State coach, because of his record. You can take anything Sir Charles says with a grain of salt, but honestly when you saw this choice how many of you thought either this is Auburn being racist or you're going to hear someone complaint about the racist angle or like me some combination of that's a strange pick, not very good, I wonder if race is involved, and boy is there going to be a firestorm over this.

The second fact/opinion I heard this week was from Jemelle (sp?) Hill, the African-American women on ESPN's 1st and 10 segment this week. She said Gill and also Charlie Strong ( SC def. co-ord), would never get head coaching jobs in the South because not only are they black, but their wives are white. Her point was that black women from the generation who are mothers now, don't trust African-American men who marry white girls, and wouldn't want their sons to play for them. She said she doesn't think either of those two would be head coaches in the South, definitely, and maybe never at a big-time program, except maybe if Gill takes over at Nebraska someday, because they won't be able to recruit a certain percentage of athletes, because of the mother's prejudice.

Now I find these to be interesting opinions. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but the one thing this hire has done is started some interesting conversations.
That the biggest bunch of crap that Ive heard. I have a black mother and she would not care what color the head coach is.

[furpal87]

She wouldn't, but do you feel that's a majority opinion? Living in the South a lot of my adult life, I've seen some opinions on a lot of things that I still don't believe exist.