Stan Brock out at Army

[Franks Tanks]

Army HC Stan Brock has been fired after two years. If I was the Army AD I would be calling Wofford's HC. He knows how to recruit smart players and he runs an offense that Army need to use to be successful.

[Marcus Garvey]

Was Stan Brock rubbing people the wrong way in West Point? That's the only reason I can think of for such a quick dismissal.

Agree that Ayers would be a great choice for Army. However, he might get a better opportunity if he waits. Army holds some major potential for limiting one's career as a head coach.

[Franks Tanks]

Was Stan Brock rubbing people the wrong way in West Point? That's the only reason I can think of for such a quick dismissal.
Agree that Ayers would be a great choice for Army. However, he might get a better opportunity if he waits. Army holds some major potential for limiting one's career as a head coach.

I dont know. He was promoted from Bobby Ross's staff after he resigned and they didnt really do a coaching search at the time. I believe Bobby Ross wanted him as the HC but the Army brass wasnt too crazy about the move- hence the short leash.

[citdog]

Hudson High can HAVE Mike Ayers. I hate, but respect, that karate kicking son of a bitch!


They cannot have Kevin Higgins,

[Marcus Garvey]

Hudson High can HAVE Mike Ayers. I hate, but respect, that karate kicking son of a bitch!


They cannot have Kevin Higgins,

I don't think Higgins would work out for West Point. He won't be able to recruit the players he needs to run his offense and be competitive against Army's schedule.

[Cobblestone]

That was quick. I never really understood that hire anyway.

I doubt they could attract an FBS coach. I could see them having interest in an FCS coach though, like Sean McDonnell perhaps.

[catamount man]

I read where Army hasn't had a winning season since 1996? WOW!!!

The resurgence of Navy since 2002 has to be grating West Point as well. Not to mention no wins over the middies since that time.

[Reign of Terrier]

Sorry, not going to happen. One of the reasons we are good is because the good players that run our offense don't want to be in a military college. Secondly he's been here 21 years, is becoming VERY competitive on the national level, and recruiting is getting better. Like it or not Ayers is going with the team that can win him a championship.

[Reign of Terrier]

Hudson High can HAVE Mike Ayers. I hate, but respect, that karate kicking son of a bitch!


They cannot have Kevin Higgins,

If he leaves don't get your hopes up. Our OC and DC have been at Wofford as long or longer than he has. The way we play wouldn't take a nose dive.

[chantster]

Army needs to quit rehashing old coaches and go in a different direction by building a program with a younger coach, preferably with option offense experience.

This guy would be a good hire.

Brent Davis (http://www.vmikeydets.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=43758&SPID=3895&DB_OEM_ID=9800&ATCLID=1431679&Q_SEASON=2008)


Met Brent when he was recruiting my son in 2004. Straight up guy, I always thought he would be a great HC one day.

[Franks Tanks]

Army needs to quit rehashing old coaches and go in a different direction by building a program with a younger coach, preferably with option offense experience.

This guy would be a good hire.

Brent Davis (http://www.vmikeydets.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=43758&SPID=3895&DB_OEM_ID=9800&ATCLID=1431679&Q_SEASON=2008)


Met Brent when he was recruiting my son in 2004. Straight up guy, I always thought he would be a great HC one day.

This guy might be a risng star but nobody goes from FCS cordinator to FBS HC. Even though Army isnt very good it is still a reasonably high profile job that pays very well.

[Go...gate]

If you want an option guy, I'm thinking Turner Gill. I believe the Corps would love the guy - first-class all the way.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Was Stan Brock rubbing people the wrong way in West Point? That's the only reason I can think of for such a quick dismissal.

Agree that Ayers would be a great choice for Army. However, he might get a better opportunity if he waits. Army holds some major potential for limiting one's career as a head coach.

He had some quotes in the paper after the UNH game that, I'm sure, didn't sit well with some people. I'll see if I can find any links.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

There were some others, this is all I could find.




http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200809060097

[ngineer]

What never gets discussed is how much more difficult it is for Army to recruit. Air Force and Navy have had a lot of winning seasons over the past 10 years, while Army has foundered. I really don't think it's the coaching. Its the hard, but simple fact, that Army graduates are going right into harm's way, i.e. they're getting shot at, whether it be Kosovo, Irag, Afghanistan, etc. Yes, Air Force and Navy grads have their exposure to danger, but nothing like the ground forces.

[Franks Tanks]

What never gets discussed is how much more difficult it is for Army to recruit. Air Force and Navy have had a lot of winning seasons over the past 10 years, while Army has foundered. I really don't think it's the coaching. Its the hard, but simple fact, that Army graduates are going right into harm's way, i.e. they're getting shot at, whether it be Kosovo, Irag, Afghanistan, etc. Yes, Air Force and Navy grads have their exposure to danger, but nothing like the ground forces.

That is true. Also many Navy and Air Force recruits have aspirations of being a Pilot-- no such thing exists in the Army.

[Maroon&White]

How many kids at Navy go into the Marines?

[ngineer]

How many kids at Navy go into the Marines?

Don't know the answer to that, but I suspect the number is well in the minority, since the Marines are more 'picky'.

[Cobblestone]

That is true. Also many Navy and Air Force recruits have aspirations of being a Pilot-- no such thing exists in the Army.

Unless you want to fly one of these. xthumbsupx

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/mrnohr/blog/misc/AH-6420Apache.jpg

[Cobblestone]

What never gets discussed is how much more difficult it is for Army to recruit. Air Force and Navy have had a lot of winning seasons over the past 10 years, while Army has foundered. I really don't think it's the coaching. Its the hard, but simple fact, that Army graduates are going right into harm's way, i.e. they're getting shot at, whether it be Kosovo, Irag, Afghanistan, etc. Yes, Air Force and Navy grads have their exposure to danger, but nothing like the ground forces.

Not looking to start a pissing contest over branches of the military but from my experience I can also state that discipline in the Army is much more rigid than in the other branches (Marine Corps being the exception). The Air Force tends to be pretty laid back and run more like a large corporation rather than a military branch. I've also attended D-III games at the Coast Guard Academy and from what I've seen those cadets have it pretty easy as far as discipline is concerned.

Here again, I'm not looking to start a pissing contest, just making some observations from my military experience.

[Marcus Garvey]

Not looking to start a pissing contest over branches of the military but from my experience I can also state that discipline in the Army is much more rigid than in the other branches (Marine Corps being the exception). The CHAir Force tends to be pretty laid back and run more like a large corporation rather than a military branch. I've also attended D-III games at the Coast Guard Academy and from what I've seen those cadets have it pretty easy as far as discipline is concerned.

Here again, I'm not looking to start a pissing contest, just making some observations from my military experience.

Fixed it! xthumbsupx

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

That was quick. I never really understood that hire anyway.

I doubt they could attract an FBS coach. I could see them having interest in an FCS coach though, like Sean McDonnell perhaps.

Bite your tongue, mon ami. xsmhx xsmhx

;) :p

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

He had some quotes in the paper after the UNH game that, I'm sure, didn't sit well with some people. I'll see if I can find any links.

Yeah, I was shocked when I read the newspaper stories that Brock called out his team in such a manner. I thought it was way out of line. I mean quitting is the last thing I'd ever expect from a military academy team. And it sure wasn't evident to this fan watching from the end zone stands. I'm guessing he burned a few bridges that day.

[MorgantonAPPAlum]

What never gets discussed is how much more difficult it is for Army to recruit. Air Force and Navy have had a lot of winning seasons over the past 10 years, while Army has foundered. I really don't think it's the coaching. Its the hard, but simple fact, that Army graduates are going right into harm's way, i.e. they're getting shot at, whether it be Kosovo, Irag, Afghanistan, etc. Yes, Air Force and Navy grads have their exposure to danger, but nothing like the ground forces.

That's true, but the other part of that is that if you want to be a combat troop why spend four years in the academy first? Lots of young people who might otherwise be attracted to the academy have perhaps enlisted specifically for combat duty because that is what they want to do rather than play football. Later, after their first enlistment expires, they may go back to college-even to one of the service academies-but they probably have different goals at that point.

FWIW-ASU had a special teams guy who played on a couple of the championship teams and who had been in the Marines for a few years and came back to school. He chose not to go to Navy, I don't know why, but I'm sure that his goals were not the same as when he stepped down onto the yellow footprints at Parris Island.

I guess the point is that if you are interested in combat (and there are plenty of those that are) then college is of lesser importance, even military college, and if you aren't interested in combat, then Army is definitely the wrong place for you.xtwocentsx

[woffordgrad94]

Hudson High can HAVE Mike Ayers. I hate, but respect, that karate kicking son of a bitch!


They cannot have Kevin Higgins,

Army is wasting their time if they even THINK about Mike Ayers. He's totally happy and content at Wofford, thank you very much! xwhistlex

[beauvighn]

How many kids at Navy go into the Marines?


About 1/3 of this years Seniors either went Marine Corps Ground (7) or Marine Corps Pilot(2). I commend all the young men from our Service Academies who chose to serve their Country in a time of war.

[mrklean]

Army is wasting their time if they even THINK about Mike Ayers. He's totally happy and content at Wofford, thank you very much! xwhistlex

YEah right, we said that about Paul Johnson......xlolx