Enoughy Fluffy: BIG SKY x 2 in the QUARTERS

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Lessee, Socon has 50% of their playoff teams in the quarters, MVFC has 50%, the big ol' CAA has 80%........ but that BIG FLUFFY SKY has 100%. Kind of takes the stuffy out of FLUFFY, huh?

Of course next week the overgrown CAA has two chances for the semis and one guaranteed. The BIG SKY can only advance one team. So will we have four conferences represented after next week or only two?

xcoffeex

[aust42]

Lessee, Socon has 50% of their playoff teams in the quarters, MVFC has 50%, the big ol' CAA has 80%........ but that BIG FLUFFY SKY has 100%. Kind of takes the stuffy out of FLUFFY, huh?

Of course next week the overgrown CAA has two chances for the semis and one guaranteed. The BIG SKY can only advance one team. So will we have four conferences represented after next week or only two?

xcoffeex

Good question. The CAA going 4-1 in the playoffs certainly proves beyond any doubt that they are the best conference top to bottom.

[Big Al]

Good question. The CAA going 4-1 in the playoffs certainly proves beyond any doubt that they are the best conference top to bottom.

No it doesn't.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Here we go...

*earmuffs*

[siuham]

Yeah. Playing Texas State and Cal Poly proves the Big Sky is the best conference in the Nation.

Wait...

Come back after the semis. If Montana/Weber can get to the finals, they can start talking ****.

[CopperCat]

Yeah. Playing Texas State and Cal Poly proves the Big Sky is the best conference in the Nation.

Wait...

Come back after the semis. If Montana/Weber can get to the finals, they can start talking ****.

Weber just beat a Cal Poly team that was getting #1 votes during the regular season. I'm pretty sure Weber is allowed to talk a little smack.

And nobody said that the BSC was the best conference in the nation.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Yeah. Playing Texas State and Cal Poly proves the Big Sky is the best conference in the Nation.

Wait...

Come back after the semis. If Montana/Weber can get to the finals, they can start talking ****.

Coming from a fan of a team that's rated lower than the BSC, and just lost in the first round. xcoffeex

[cats2506]

who would rather play Weber next week, instead of the team you are matched with?

[aust42]

No it doesn't.

Of course it does. The committee obviously recognized that by selecting 5 teams from the CAA Conference. What Conference had more than two teams selected? Zero. The CAA going 4-1 in the first round obviously reflects the strength of the conference.

Don't hate.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Don't hate.

Well I'm certainly not going to appreciate. xlolx

[Jackman]

Of course next week the overgrown CAA has two chances for the semis and one guaranteed. The BIG SKY can only advance one team. So will we have four conferences represented after next week or only two?
The CAA has three chances for the semis, and one guaranteed. If we split up the Big Sky vs. Big Sky and CAA vs. CAA games by swapping Weber and Villanova, the CAA would have the chance to try taking all 4 spots.

[griz8791]

Of course it does. The committee obviously recognized that by selecting 5 teams from the CAA Conference. What Conference had more than two teams selected? Zero. The CAA going 4-1 in the first round obviously reflects the strength of the conference.

Don't hate.


Well I'm certainly not going to appreciate. xlolx

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Screamin_Eagle174 again."

[I Bleed Purple]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Screamin_Eagle174 again."

There is the smilie, you know.


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[Ud1Hens]

I think that JMU and Villanova are the two best teams right now...it stinks they are playing each other. Calm down App St., to be the best you have to beat the best, I know. Nova's 2 losses were to West Virginia and a Hail Mary (literally) to JMU. They've beat UNH and Richmond too. Should be a great game, look for winner to go to Chatty.

[griz8791]

There is the smilie, you know.


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Yeah, but it's so impersonal compared to pasting in the message with the would-be repee's name.

[Proud Griz Man]

Yeah. Playing Texas State and Cal Poly proves the Big Sky is the best conference in the Nation.

Wait...

Come back after the semis. If Montana/Weber can get to the finals, they can start talking ****.

I expected this kinda smack from the the CAA.

bye bye Salukis..

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The CAA has three chances for the semis, and one guaranteed. If we split up the Big Sky vs. Big Sky and CAA vs. CAA games by swapping Weber and Villanova, the CAA would have the chance to try taking all 4 spots.Swapping may be legal in Mass ( xlolx ) but not in the D-I Football Championships. xlmaox

[mvemjsunpx]

You can't say the Big Sky is just "the Griz & everybody else" anymore. A BSC team other than Montana has made the quarters 5 of the last 6 years (2003 - NAU; 2004 - EWU; 2006 - MSU; 2007 - EWU; 2008 - Weber).

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You can't say the Big Sky is just "the Griz & everybody else" anymore. A BSC team other than Montana has made the quarters 5 of the last 6 years (2003 - NAU; 2004 - EWU; 2006 - MSU; 2007 - EWU; 2008 - Weber).and this year is extra special because TWO, that is ALL of them made it! xnodx

[siuham]

I expected this kinda smack from the the CAA.

bye bye Salukis..

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

[I Bleed Purple]

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

So there's only two good teams all year?

[SeattleGriz]

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

Hear that U Wisconsin. You suck, just play SIU to get schooled in how much.

xrolleyesx

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So SIU has only had one "good" team in their FCS history?

(oh and CP, forget that you had 1 of the 2 FCS wins over FBS this year, that was not a good win)

[MarchingMountaineer]

So there's only two good teams all year?

According to his logic, there must be only one good team, since the losing team can't be any better than the other teams the winner beat. Tough curve.

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somebody is sucking the sour grapes in crapsville tonight

[Silenoz]

somebody is sucking the sour grapes in crapsville tonight

xlolx

[Native]

Coming from a fan of a team that's rated lower than the BSC, and just lost in the first round. xcoffeex

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[JALMOND]

You can't say the Big Sky is just "the Griz & everybody else" anymore. A BSC team other than Montana has made the quarters 5 of the last 6 years (2003 - NAU; 2004 - EWU; 2006 - MSU; 2007 - EWU; 2008 - Weber).

Save it for the SoCon, which is slowly emerging as "App State and everybody else".

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Save it for the SoCon, which is slowly emerging as "App State and everybody else".In the last 10 years only once has the SOCON not been in the semis. Granted it has only been half their conference making it there. xcoffeex

[appstate1998]

Of course it does. The committee obviously recognized that by selecting 5 teams from the CAA Conference. What Conference had more than two teams selected? Zero. The CAA going 4-1 in the first round obviously reflects the strength of the conference.

Don't hate.

The CAA is a great conference...I actually predicted an all CAA final, but let us not forget the CAA is also a BIG conference which means more chances to get in.

[ASUMountaineer]

Who gives a damn which conference is the best? I mean, unless you can tell me what national championship trophy they give to the best conference...that's what I thought.

[uofmman1122]

Who gives a damn which conference is the best? I mean, unless you can tell me what national championship trophy they give to the best conference...that's what I thought.Agreed.

It's all nice and good that both BSC teams won, but in the end the only thing that matters is who ends up on top.

A team could be from the worst conference, but if they win the NC, it doesn't really matter, does it?

[bpcats]

It does suck that both Big Sky teams have to play each other in the second round pretty much no matter what due to the regionalization of the playoffs. It would have been nice if they were in opposite brackets.

[mlbowl]

It does suck that both Big Sky teams have to play each other in the second round pretty much no matter what due to the regionalization of the playoffs. It would have been nice if they were in opposite brackets.

Nope...it's set up perfect for all the east coasters...If Montana wins...Weber was a "fluke"....If Weber wins...Montana was "overrated"

[kalm]

Nope...it's set up perfect for all the east coasters...If Montana wins...Weber was a "fluke"....If Weber wins...Montana was "overrated"

xnodx

With as often as Davis, Poly, and SUU play us, I'm considering the Big Sky as a three bid conference this year, including the 'Stangs.

[89Hen]

Congrats to the Big Sky. The last several years have been a big improvement in the playoffs. Now get somebody beside Montana in the semis, or better yet, to Chatty. I wish Montana and Weber didn't have to play each other in the Q's.

[patssle]

Whoever wins the NC does not equal the best conference. More than one team makes up a conference.

[grizzpaw]

we need to change the big sky like the caa with a "mountain" and a "coastal" division (add the great west).That way the best teams only play each every four years or so thus getting 5 teams in when other teams belong in the playoffs and say we're the "best" we got five teams in. And drop msu down to naia where they can win a few games and make the playoffs with carroll!

[AZGrizFan]

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

so, by your logic SIU can't be considered good this year? Weber and Montana are two of the last 8 teams standing. You may be the ONLY person here who considers Cal Poly a patsie. Go take your haterade somewhere else... xlolx xlolx xlolx

[cats2506]

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

Last year it was NDSU that should have been NC, this year it is Central Arkansas, lets see how it works out for them next year.

[AZGrizFan]

Congrats to the Big Sky. The last several years have been a big improvement in the playoffs. Now get somebody beside Montana in the semis, or better yet, to Chatty. I wish Montana and Weber didn't have to play each other in the Q's.


Right on cue. xlolx xlolx xlolx

[89Hen]

we need to change the big sky like the caa with a "mountain" and a "coastal" division (add the great west).That way the best teams only play each every four years or so thus getting 5 teams in when other teams belong in the playoffs and say we're the "best" we got five teams in. And drop msu down to naia where they can win a few games and make the playoffs with carroll!
xlolx

[89Hen]

Right on cue. xlolx xlolx xlolx
What did I say that isn't true? xconfusedx

[PantherRob82]

Last year it was NDSU that should have been NC, this year it is Central Arkansas, lets see how it works out for them next year.

not eligible next year either. xrulesx

[AZGrizFan]

What did I say that isn't true? xconfusedx

Nothing. But you're right on cue for basically setting up the argument that Weber was overrated. 5 CAA teams get in, 3/2 split in the brackets. If the committee ONLY saw the value in splitting up conference mates, we'd be able to have TWO teams make deep runs. Because of regionalization, it'll NEVER happen. Christ, at the very least they could have put them in opposite sides of the SAME bracket so at least they didn't meet until the semis....but NOOOOOOOOO....instead we're left with another perfect scenario for CAA apologists....you've got teams with chances to make it an all CAA final....we get an all BSC QUARTER final and have to be happy with that....AGAIN.

Hell, they split up the SoCon teams....why not the BSC teams? It really wouldn't have been that hard to shift two teams. If you can't see THAT, I'm wasting my breath.

[dbackjon]

The CAA has three chances for the semis, and one guaranteed. If we split up the Big Sky vs. Big Sky and CAA vs. CAA games by swapping Weber and Villanova, the CAA would have the chance to try taking all 4 spots.


Not at all. weber, Montana, JMU, App State and Cal Poly are the five best teams in the nation. The committee, with their noses up the CAA's butt, put three of the top 5 teams in the nation in the same 4 team bracket.

Weber, Montana, and Cal Poly would beat any CAA team other than JMU by 10, minimum.

[catbob]

And drop msu down to naia where they can win a few games and make the playoffs with carroll!

I'm pretty sure the Cats just finished their 7th consecutive winning season, but don't let facts get in your way. We haven't finished lower than tied for 4th in the conference since 2001.

xcoffeex

[Go Cats]

Wasn't coming as a Saluki fan, coming as someone who isn't retarded.

Montana played a Texas State team that shouldn't have been in the playoffs (See: Central Arkansas.) Weber State played a team that lost to the only good team Weber beat during the season and was vastly overrated all season as a result of playing nobody and being ranked highly in the pre-season. Cal Poly lost to the only two good teams they played all year, which was the same pretense with which I dropped WIU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, UMass, and others out of my poll.

Montana can talk some, they're good year in and year out. Weber cannot, they're nothing more than a fluke so far. Like I said, if either team can get to the finals, they can be considered good.

The flukes moved on in the playoffs. They only did what was asked of them, by beating the team that they were assigned to play by the same people that allowed 5 CAA teams in.

[charliej]

Not at all. weber, Montana, JMU, App State and Cal Poly are the five best teams in the nation. The committee, with their noses up the CAA's butt, put three of the top 5 teams in the nation in the same 4 team bracket.

Weber, Montana, and Cal Poly would beat any CAA team other than JMU by 10, minimum.

Now THAT's comedy!:p

[Grizaholic17]

Not at all. weber, Montana, JMU, App State and Cal Poly are the five best teams in the nation. The committee, with their noses up the CAA's butt, put three of the top 5 teams in the nation in the same 4 team bracket.

Weber, Montana, and Cal Poly would beat any CAA team other than JMU by 10, minimum.

Now THAT's comedy!:p

Maybe that's comedy to someone who has never witnessed the powers that be in FCS west football. Cal Poly is a machine, and Weber proved what they could do last night. xpeacex

[srgrizizen]

Who gives a damn which conference is the best? I mean, unless you can tell me what national championship trophy they give to the best conference...that's what I thought.

Mountaineer nailed it. All this smack about conference strength is 100% speculative hot air -- and completely irrelevant to the main point of deciding the best team.

It's just too bad UM and Weber State can't meet again in Chattanooga. Oh yeah, I forgot, what passes here in the FCS wilderness for a great matchup next Saturday is exposed by some AGS sages and SIU poor losers as just another BSC pillow fight. LOL.

[YoUDeeMan]

Not at all. weber, Montana, JMU, App State and Cal Poly are the five best teams in the nation. The committee, with their noses up the CAA's butt, put three of the top 5 teams in the nation in the same 4 team bracket.

Weber, Montana, and Cal Poly would beat any CAA team other than JMU by 10, minimum.

Hey, is that game hard to play? xeyebrowx

Let me try:

JMU, Richmond, and villanova would beat any team west of the Missisippi by 10, minimum. UNH and W&M would beat any other team west of the Missisippi outside of Griz stadium by 10, minimum.

Heck, the Griz have proven for years that they can't beat anyone outside of Grizzyworld in the playoffs...and recently they've been beaten in consecutive years in their own stadium in the playoffs. Fly a western team east (see UC Davis vs Northeastern...a bottom dweller) and they lose.



Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....that was fun. xnodx xlolx

Got any more brilliant games to play? :p

xcoffeex

xpeacex

[gbhmt]

Hey, is that game hard to play? xeyebrowx

Let me try:

JMU, Richmond, and villanova would beat any team west of the Missisippi by 10, minimum. UNH and W&M would beat any other team west of the Missisippi outside of Griz stadium by 10, minimum.

Heck, the Griz have proven for years that they can't beat anyone outside of Grizzyworld in the playoffs...and recently they've been beaten in consecutive years in their own stadium in the playoffs. Fly a western team east (see UC Davis vs Northeastern...a bottom dweller) and they lose.


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....that was fun. xnodx xlolx

Got any more brilliant games to play? :p

xcoffeex

xpeacex


I'd love to see W and M play Weber State. Maybe it'd get you to shut your trap.

[charliej]

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Maybe that's comedy to someone who has never witnessed the powers that be in FCS west football. Cal Poly is a machine, and Weber proved what they could do last night. xpeacex


Cal poly is a machine alright...on offense. Weber outscored em,but I didn't see much D from either last night. I'm looking forward to seeing WSU at UM...at least I know they have a defense.

Even JMU,who actually played Nova & Richmond,would be hesitant to say they were the only team in the CAA that would give 'yall a game IMO.

Hopefully,we get to see in two weeks.;)

[charliej]

I'd love to see W and M play Weber State. Maybe it'd get you to shut your trap.
I'm not sure your conf. champ beating our 5th ranked team would prove much. Now if W&M won it..THAT would be something.

[gbhmt]

I'm not sure your conf. champ beating our 5th ranked team would prove much. Now if W&M won it..THAT would be something.

I was just addressing the laughable point he made.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

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Cal poly is a machine alright...on offense. Weber outscored em, but I didn't see much D from either last night. I'm looking forward to seeing WSU at UM...at least I know they have a defense.

Even JMU,who actually played Nova & Richmond,would be hesitant to say they were the only team in the CAA that would give 'yall a game IMO.

Hopefully,we get to see in two weeks.;)

Yep, those 4 picks were accident's. The corners we're just running around the field with their hands in the air praying to the football gods...

xcoffeex

[charliej]

I was just addressing the laughable point he made.

Same here..it's all good. Everything will shake itself out in the coming weeks. Till then the *****'ll probably fly from all directions. :D

[gbhmt]

Same here..it's all good. Everything will shake itself out in the coming weeks. Till then the *****'ll probably fly from all directions. :D

Well I'm rootin for Villanova this week, that's for sure.

[charliej]

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Yep, those 4 picks were accident's. The corners we're just running around the field with their hands in the air praying to the football gods...

xcoffeex

4 picks is impressive,but over 1100 combined yds and 84 total points?... Doesn't sound like much defense to me.xeyebrowx

[Screamin_Eagle174]

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4 picks is impressive,but over 1100 combined yds and 84 total points?... Doesn't sound like much defense to me.xeyebrowx

Sounds like some really incredible offenses, and average defenses.

[gbhmt]

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Sounds like some really incredible offenses, and average defenses.

Nah I'd say average for Weber with some quick DB's and just bad for CP with maybe a couple good D linemen.

[I Bleed Purple]

[QUOTE=charliej;1236716]

Sounds like some really incredible offenses, and average defenses.

That counter triple was the most effective. I don't think we expected them to run that one as much as the standard one.

[kalm]

If Weber had beat Eastern, perhaps they would have been in placed in the opposite bracket from Montana or at least hosted a first round game. They kinda shot themselves in the foot.

Regardless, the BSC is definitely improved.

[89Hen]

If the committee ONLY saw the value in splitting up conference mates, we'd be able to have TWO teams make deep runs. Because of regionalization, it'll NEVER happen. Christ, at the very least they could have put them in opposite sides of the SAME bracket so at least they didn't meet until the semis....but NOOOOOOOOO....instead we're left with another perfect scenario for CAA apologists....you've got teams with chances to make it an all CAA final....we get an all BSC QUARTER final and have to be happy with that....AGAIN.

2007: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2006: Montana and MSU would have met in Chatty
2005: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2004: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2003: Montana and NAU would have met in the semis

First time in six years you would meet in the Q's.

[Peems]

2007: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2006: Montana and MSU would have met in Chatty
2005: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2004: Montana and EWU would have met in the semis
2003: Montana and NAU would have met in the semis

First time in six years you would meet in the Q's.

The difference is that this year the two teams from the BSC are legit top ten teams. Those past years have been when a weaker BSC team has gotten in, so it made more sense for them to meet up earlier rather than later. It's just like how Nova and JMU are meeting up already, but now i'm opening a can of worms.

[89Hen]

Geography, regionalization and sheer number of teams all work against the BSC when it comes to scheduling, there's not much denying that. xpeacex

[Grizaholic17]

Geography, regionalization and sheer number of teams all work against the BSC when it comes to scheduling, there's not much denying that. xpeacex

Works against us is right. Luckily we have a contract with UC-Davis and Cal Poly now. ANd I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those DUMB BCS games scheduled for the griz in the coming years.

[GrizDen]

If the committee ONLY saw the value in splitting up conference mates, we'd be able to have TWO teams make deep runs. Because of regionalization, it'll NEVER happen. Christ, at the very least they could have put them in opposite sides of the SAME bracket so at least they didn't meet until the semis....but NOOOOOOOOO....instead we're left with another perfect scenario for CAA apologists....you've got teams with chances to make it an all CAA final....we get an all BSC QUARTER final and have to be happy with that....AGAIN.

Hell, they split up the SoCon teams....why not the BSC teams? It really wouldn't have been that hard to shift two teams. If you can't see THAT, I'm wasting my breath.


Agreed 100% It would have been waaaaay to easy to shift two teams which would have allowed the possibility of two BSC teams to reach the semis. Not that WA-Griz needs any more excuses to be loud, but an all BSC Semi-Final game would be out of control if that ever happens in the future. xnodx

I guess we just have to succumb to this lame regionalization policy until it gets changed (yeah right that will happen xrolleyesx ).

[AZGrizFan]

Right on cue. xlolx xlolx xlolx



Hey, 89Hen!!! Look at this blast from the past! We did it....finally....

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey, 89Hen!!! Look at this blast from the past! We did it....finally....

Wow, you are digging deep to get that one out there but good job.xlolx

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Wow, you are digging deep to get that one out there but good job.xlolx

xlolx It's kind of fun to go back with that perfect hindsight and see what everyone was saying. The gems I found in this thread:



Come back after the semis. If Montana/Weber can get to the finals, they can start talking ****.

WE BE TALKIN' MAD SHIZ UP IN HERE!!! Well, at least before the 2008 NC game. xwhistlex


we need to change the big sky like the caa with a "mountain" and a "coastal" division (add the great west).That way the best teams only play each every four years or so thus getting 5 teams in when other teams belong in the playoffs and say we're the "best" we got five teams in. And drop msu down to naia where they can win a few games and make the playoffs with carroll!

Consider it (almost) done. xhurrayx


I'd love to see W and M play Weber State. Maybe it'd get you to shut your trap.

xoopsx Well that one didn't work out so well in 2009.



But EWU in 2010.... suck it CAA!!!! xlolx