FCS NIT Tournament

[malibudude]

Who would be in? Assume no transition issues for UCA, etc. and assume every conference can play. Sixteen team tournament? And seed 'em.

Potentials not inclusive and not in any order:

William & Mary
Liberty
PVAM
SDSU
UCA
Grambling
UMass
Harvard
Tenn-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
NDSU
FAMU
Jax State
Elon
NAU
WIU
Furman
Holy Cross
Dayton
GSU
UND
Montana State
others.....

[danefan]

Albany is in....

[Eaglegus2]

Davidson beats them all.

[UNHWildCats]

Who would be in? Assume no transition issues for UCA, etc. and assume every conference can play. Sixteen team tournament? And seed 'em.

Potentials not inclusive and not in any order:

William & Mary
Liberty
PVAM
SDSU
UCA (still not eligibible)
Grambling
UMass
Harvard
Tenn-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
NDSU
FAMU
Jax State
Elon
NAU
WIU
Furman
Holy Cross
Dayton
GSU
UND
Montana State
others.....
I aint going to try seeding that mess.

[UNHWildCats]

Albany is in....
ok so throw my bolded list out the window lol

[malibudude]

Assume UCA and other transistionals are eligible, UND, USD and yes left Albany out by mistake. Did caveat "not inclusive". Who at least are the seeds?

[JayJ79]

Assume UCA and other transistionals are eligible, UND, USD and yes left Albany out by mistake. Did caveat "not inclusive". Who at least are the seeds?

if you're going to ignore NCAA rules, why not ignore conference rules too and make Ivy teams eligible?

[phoenixphanatic21]

Davidson beats them all.

This aint basketball....right?

And if Elon isn't in here then I think i will go nuts on somebody xsplatx Hey, at least we can be Football NIT champs xnodx

[apaladin]

if you're going to ignore NCAA rules, why not ignore conference rules too and make Ivy teams eligible?

Isn't Harvard in the Ivy?

[ToTheLeft]

Elon, William and Mary, Liberty, and Jax State/FAMU would be the top 4 seeds.

[danefan]

Elon, William and Mary, Liberty, and Jax State/FAMU would be the top 4 seeds.

Agreed. But I'd put Jax State definitely. Not FAMU. We're basing the seeds on quality not attendance......xeyebrowx;)

[malibudude]

All conferences eligible. Ivy and SWAC plus transitionals.

[ToTheLeft]

Dayton at UCA (1)
Albany at Liberty (2)
Brown at W and M (3)
Prairie View at Elon (4)

FAMU at NDSU
Harvard at Jax State
Holy Cross at SDSU
UTM at UMass

Keep having to change! I forgot about UCA...

[JayJ79]

Isn't Harvard in the Ivy?

you mean I'm supposed to read the whole thing before replying?
why that goes completely against the message board code. xrulesx

haha, sorry about that.

[brownbear]

Brown, not Harvard, should be in. We were Ivy champs and we beat Harvard, though if Harvard is in too, that's fine.

[UNHWildCats]

W&M over Liberty for #1 seed.

NIT or not theres still some standards and liberty hasnt met them to be the top seed of these teams.

[ToTheLeft]

Brown, not Harvard, should be in. We were Ivy champs and we beat Harvard, though if Harvard is in too, that's fine.

Didn't do my homework. Just looked at the rankings. Will change it. :P

[ToTheLeft]

W&M over Liberty for #1 seed.

NIT or not theres still some standards and liberty hasnt met them to be the top seed of these teams.

I get it Travis, you don't like LU and you have respect cuz Bill and Mary beat your pussy cats.

I will take 10-2 with a win over a fellow seed in the tournament rather than 7-4.

[UNHWildCats]

I get it Travis, you don't like LU and you have respect cuz Bill and Mary beat your pussy cats.

I will take 10-2 with a win over a fellow seed in the tournament rather than 7-4.
has nothing to do with disliking them, it has to do with their pansy assed schedule.

[TxState_GO_CATS!]

what a great idea!!!

i'll give it a try...


1-UCA
16-Dayton

8-Tenn-Martin
9-Harvard

4-Liberty
13-Montana St

5-McNeese
12-Grambling

3-Elon
14-PV A&M

6-UMass
11-Albany

7-South Dakota St.
10-Jax St.

2-William & Mary
15-Holy Cross



...some pretty good matchups, totally by coincidence...

[ToTheLeft]

LU MSU would be pretty fun.

But why are we seeded below Elon? Head to head not matter to you? :P

[UNHWildCats]

what a great idea!!!

i'll give it a try...


1-UCA
16-Dayton

8-Tenn-Martin
9-Harvard

4-Liberty
13-Montana St

5-McNeese
12-Grambling

3-Elon
14-PV A&M

6-UMass
11-Albany

7-South Dakota St.
10-Jax St.

2-William & Mary
15-Holy Cross



...some pretty good matchups, totally by coincidence...
well now see that was the simple way to end the Liberty or W&M argument... UCA definatly is the top seed.

[ToTheLeft]

has nothing to do with disliking them, it has to do with their pansy assed schedule.

We did everything we could this year, but you didn't really care to read any of the millions of posts explaining that, so whatever. Live in your ignorance, I hear it's more blissful that way.

[stevdock]

what a great idea!!!

i'll give it a try...


1-UCA
16-Dayton

8-Tenn-Martin
9-Harvard

4-Liberty
13-Montana St

5-McNeese
12-Grambling

3-Elon
14-PV A&M

6-UMass
11-Albany

7-South Dakota St.
10-Jax St.

2-William & Mary
15-Holy Cross



...some pretty good matchups, totally by coincidence...

OMG we are not better than Dayton?? Good thing football season is over then

[ToTheLeft]

Dayton at UCA (1)
Albany at Liberty (2)
Brown at W and M (3)
Prairie View at Elon (4)

FAMU at NDSU
Harvard at Jax State
Holy Cross at SDSU
UTM at UMass

Keep having to change! I forgot about UCA...

My fixed version. I like this one a little better.

[brownbear]

I had planned on doing this thread earlier today, but you all beat me to it.

[UNHWildCats]

We did everything we could this year, but you didn't really care to read any of the millions of posts explaining that, so whatever. Live in your ignorance, I hear it's more blissful that way.
you dont get brownie points for trying your best to get a good schedule and still fail.

I ridicule bad schedules... Did it to San Diego for two years. If you wanna play with the big boys do a better job scheduling.

[TxState_GO_CATS!]

OMG we are not better than Dayton?? Good thing football season is over then

well we could go 100% NCAA basketball and have the play-in game in...Wisconsin's Camp Randle (somewhere in the middle of Dayton and NDSU).

[ToTheLeft]

you dont get brownie points for trying your best to get a good schedule and still fail.

I ridicule bad schedules... Did it to San Diego for two years. If you wanna play with the big boys do a better job scheduling.

Okay, so next time we schedule JMU and they pussy out on us because all their students might be at home for a fall break they aren't even sure of a date on, we'll be sure to sit in the corner with our dunce caps on.

And the next time that teams just totally drop us and find other games to play really late in the game, we won't have dessert that night.

And when we schedule perennial powers with proud histories to games at their home field, we'll make sure it isn't a year where they have a ton of turmoil and under perform. Since we can see that in advance.

Oh, and we'll make every team in our conference better by giving them our recruits, coaches, and money, since clearly we are responsible for the terrible conference we play in and need to make it better.

[stevdock]

well we could go 100% NCAA basketball and have the play-in game in...Wisconsin (somewhere in the middle of Dayton and NDSU).

Can you honestly say we would make the play in game thoughxbawlingx

[UNHWildCats]

Okay, so next time we schedule JMU and they pussy out on us because all their students might be at home for a fall break they aren't even sure of a date on, we'll be sure to sit in the corner with our dunce caps on.

And the next time that teams just totally drop us and find other games to play really late in the game, we won't have dessert that night.

And when we schedule perennial powers with proud histories to games at their home field, we'll make sure it isn't a year where they have a ton of turmoil and under perform. Since we can see that in advance.

Oh, and we'll make every team in our conference better by giving them our recruits, coaches, and money, since clearly we are responsible for the terrible conference we play in and need to make it better.
crap happens, doesnt mean a team should get a free pass.

[malibudude]

Okay, so next time we schedule JMU and they pussy out on us because all their students might be at home for a fall break they aren't even sure of a date on, we'll be sure to sit in the corner with our dunce caps on.

And the next time that teams just totally drop us and find other games to play really late in the game, we won't have dessert that night.

And when we schedule perennial powers with proud histories to games at their home field, we'll make sure it isn't a year where they have a ton of turmoil and under perform. Since we can see that in advance.

Oh, and we'll make every team in our conference better by giving them our recruits, coaches, and money, since clearly we are responsible for the terrible conference we play in and need to make it better.


Why don't Poly and LU play next year? CP is definetly looking for games.

[ToTheLeft]

Why don't Poly and LU play next year? CP is definetly looking for games.

I would be down for it, but I am not sure that the LU budget can handle a trip to the left coast. In fact, I think that would be a really, really sweet game. I would put in a good word if I had any pull.

[danefan]

has nothing to do with disliking them, it has to do with their pansy assed schedule.

xlolxxlolxxlolxxlolxxlolx

Travis said "pansy assed"....hahahha......xlolxxlolxxlolx

[malibudude]

what a great idea!!!

i'll give it a try...


1-UCA
16-Dayton

8-Tenn-Martin
9-Harvard

4-Liberty
13-Montana St

5-McNeese
12-Grambling

3-Elon
14-PV A&M

6-UMass
11-Albany

7-South Dakota St.
10-Jax St.

2-William & Mary
15-Holy Cross



...some pretty good matchups, totally by coincidence...

These are classic, if mythical matchups. UTM and Harvard would be great.

[RabidRabbit]

These are classic, if mythical matchups. UTM and Harvard would be great.

And SDSU vs Jax St. should be an absolute shoot-outxthumbsupx

[ToTheLeft]

and UCA-Dayton would be a massacre the likes of which we may not have ever seen before.

[UNHWildCats]

and UCA-Dayton would be a massacre the likes of which we may not have ever seen before.
somewhere along the lines of this.... http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=221057

[Husky Alum]

Since this is the NIT, and we all know the NIT gerrymandered matchups for attendance, I'd think you'd probably want to have UMass play Harvard in Cambridge and Albany play Holy Cross.

If you want to put Brown in, have Brown play Albany or HC.

I'd go see UMass and Harvard in Cambridge - you'd probably get 15-20K for that one.

[GoBears]

if you're going to ignore NCAA rules, why not ignore conference rules too and make Ivy teams eligible?

Actually, transitional teams are allowed to play in the NIT since it's not an NCAA championship. But to get an at-large, they have to have really good credentials (i.e. very good record and an upset or two). Another way for a transitional to make it is if they win their conference's regular season championship since the NIT awards autobids to conference regular season champs.

[Cocky]

William Mary
Towson
UMASS
Hofstra
Delaware
Northeastern
Rhode Island
McNeese
Liberty
FAMU
SDSU
UCA
Harvard
brown
Prarie View
Grambling

[BearBull24]

If we are assuming there is no transition rule for UCA then UCA would be in the playoffs and TX State would be in the "NIT"

[mango43]

somewhere along the lines of this.... http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=221057

that's nothing compared to this http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=167291

[UNHWildCats]

that's nothing compared to this http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=167291
ya but that teams defense is real bad :p

[clenz]

NDSU FTWxlolx xlolx xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

[Big Dawg]

Agreed. But I'd put Jax State definitely. Not FAMU. We're basing the seeds on quality not attendance......xeyebrowx;)

That makes no sense

[Dane96]

I aint going to try seeding that mess.

You dont put Albany in that?

[Dane96]

William Mary
Towson
UMASS
Hofstra
Delaware
Northeastern
Rhode Island
McNeese
Liberty
FAMU
SDSU
UCA
Harvard
brown
Prarie View
Grambling

All those Ivy's that played no one?

Hofstra over an Albany team that has won 7 straight...has the third leading rusher...and beaten Hofstra?

Northeastern-- really?

[brownbear]

My Field of 16:

Liberty, Brown, Grambling State, UCA, Albany, and Jacksonville get auto bids for winning conference titles

At-larges:

William & Mary
UMass
Harvard
FAMU
SDSU
Jacksonville State
Holy Cross
Elon
McNeese State
Prairie View A&M

[danefan]

That makes no sense

It absolutely makes sense. Jax State is better than FAMU. It was a dig at the NCAA who would select a inferior team as a seed because they have better attendance.xpeacex

[bjtheflamesfan]

Who would be in? Assume no transition issues for UCA, etc. and assume every conference can play. Sixteen team tournament? And seed 'em.

Potentials not inclusive and not in any order:

William & Mary
Liberty
PVAM
SDSU
UCA
Grambling
UMass
Harvard
Tenn-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
NDSU
FAMU
Jax State
Elon
NAU
WIU
Furman
Holy Cross
GSU
UND
Montana State
others.....

Bolded teams are in for me

William and Mary
Liberty
Prairie View A&M
South Dakota State
Central Arkansas
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Elon
Georgia Southern
Montana State
Brown

(Higher seed hosts)
#1 Central Arkansas vs #16 Jacksonville U.
#2 William and Mary vs. #15 Lafayette
#3 Liberty vs. #14 Tennessee-Martin
#4 Brown vs #13 Harvard
#5 Prairie View A&M vs. #12 Jacksonville State
#6 Elon vs #11 Georgia Southern
#7 North Dakota State vs. #10 Montana State
#8 McNeese State vs. #9 North Dakota State

Central Arkansas-JU Winner vs. McNeese State-NDSU winner
W&M-Lafayette Winner vs SDSU-Montana State Winner
Liberty-UTM winner vs Elon-GSU Winner
Brown-Harvard winner vs. PVAM-JSU winner

[clenz]

Bolded teams are in for me

William and Mary
Liberty
Prairie View A&M
South Dakota State
Central Arkansas
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Elon
Dayton
Georgia Southern
Montana State
Brown

(Higher seed hosts)
#1 Central Arkansas vs #16 Dayton
#2 William and Mary vs. #15 Lafayette
#3 Liberty vs. #14 Tennessee-Martin
#4 Brown vs #13 Harvard
#5 Prairie View A&M vs. #12 Jacksonville State
#6 Elon vs #11 Georgia Southern
#7 North Dakota State vs. #10 Montana State
#8 McNeese State vs. #9 South Dakota State

Central Arkansas-Dayton Winner vs. McNeese State-SDSU winner
W&M-Lafayette Winner vs North Dakota State-Montana State Winner
Liberty-UTM winner vs Elon-GSU Winner
Brown-Harvard winner vs. PVAM-JSU winnerNDSU higher than SDSU?

[stevdock]

William Mary
Towson
UMASS
Hofstra
Delaware
Northeastern
Rhode Island
McNeese
Liberty
FAMU
SDSU
UCA
Harvard
brown
Prarie View
Grambling


Northeastern over NDSU. My goodness we must really suckxoopsx

[Dane96]

Bolded teams are in for me

William and Mary
Liberty
Prairie View A&M
South Dakota State
Central Arkansas
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Elon
Dayton
Georgia Southern
Montana State
Brown

(Higher seed hosts)
#1 Central Arkansas vs #16 Dayton
#2 William and Mary vs. #15 Lafayette
#3 Liberty vs. #14 Tennessee-Martin
#4 Brown vs #13 Harvard
#5 Prairie View A&M vs. #12 Jacksonville State
#6 Elon vs #11 Georgia Southern
#7 North Dakota State vs. #10 Montana State
#8 McNeese State vs. #9 South Dakota State

Central Arkansas-Dayton Winner vs. McNeese State-SDSU winner
W&M-Lafayette Winner vs North Dakota State-Montana State Winner
Liberty-UTM winner vs Elon-GSU Winner
Brown-Harvard winner vs. PVAM-JSU winner

I am convinced fans do not pay attention to FCS on a whole.

DAYTON? I think even Dayton Flyer will admit his team is probably on the outside.

[USDFAN_55]

Bolded teams are in for me

William and Mary
Liberty
Prairie View A&M
South Dakota State
Central Arkansas
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Elon
Dayton
Georgia Southern
Montana State
Brown

(Higher seed hosts)
#1 Central Arkansas vs #16 Dayton
#2 William and Mary vs. #15 Lafayette
#3 Liberty vs. #14 Tennessee-Martin
#4 Brown vs #13 Harvard
#5 Prairie View A&M vs. #12 Jacksonville State
#6 Elon vs #11 Georgia Southern
#7 North Dakota State vs. #10 Montana State
#8 McNeese State vs. #9 South Dakota State

Central Arkansas-Dayton Winner vs. McNeese State-SDSU winner
W&M-Lafayette Winner vs North Dakota State-Montana State Winner
Liberty-UTM winner vs Elon-GSU Winner
Brown-Harvard winner vs. PVAM-JSU winner

Dayton didn't even win the PFL. You should at least put Jacksonville in their place.xnodx

[bjtheflamesfan]

Really you could switch 7-10 in all sorts of ways. But you do make a good point...I'll switch them around

[bjtheflamesfan]

I am convinced fans do not pay attention to FCS on a whole.

DAYTON? I think even Dayton Flyer will admit his team is probably on the outside.

Rectified...I would have expected you to hammer me for not including Albany though

[USDFAN_55]

I am convinced fans do not pay attention to FCS on a whole.

DAYTON? I think even Dayton Flyer will admit his team is probably on the outside.

Agreed. It should at least be Jacksonville.

[danefan]

Bolded teams are in for me

William and Mary
Liberty
Prairie View A&M
South Dakota State
Central Arkansas
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
McNeese State
Lafayette
North Dakota State
Jacksonville State
Elon
Dayton
Georgia Southern
Montana State
Brown

(Higher seed hosts)
#1 Central Arkansas vs #16 Dayton
#2 William and Mary vs. #15 Lafayette
#3 Liberty vs. #14 Tennessee-Martin
#4 Brown vs #13 Harvard
#5 Prairie View A&M vs. #12 Jacksonville State
#6 Elon vs #11 Georgia Southern
#7 North Dakota State vs. #10 Montana State
#8 McNeese State vs. #9 South Dakota State

Central Arkansas-Dayton Winner vs. McNeese State-SDSU winner
W&M-Lafayette Winner vs North Dakota State-Montana State Winner
Liberty-UTM winner vs Elon-GSU Winner
Brown-Harvard winner vs. PVAM-JSU winner

Your seedings are way off.

Here is what the NCAA GPI spits out as the NIT field (not having any restrictions):

William & Mary (10.60)
Massachusetts (14.20)
Cent Arkansas (15.20)
Harvard (16.00)
Elon (16.00)
Furman (20.20)
E Washington (22.40)
Liberty (22.60)
McNeese St (23.80)
Montana St (24.40)
Ga Southern (24.80)
Northwestern St (29.60)
S Dakota St (30.20)
Samford (30.40)
Jacksonville St (31.40)
Not so clear (Tie between Holy Cross and Brown)\EDIT: Put UNI in by accident.

[danefan]

Rectified...I would have expected you to hammer me for not including Albany though

You should be hammered for not putting Albany.:D If you are putting teams like this in:

Prairie View A&M
Harvard
Tennessee-Martin
Lafayette
Jacksonville State
Jacksonville
Brown

Then you have absolutely no reason to not put Albany in.

[Dane96]

Exactly.

All are good teams...but I would take Albany at least at a 50% rate if you played these teams ten times.

Frankly, for the most part it would be higher. However, the Dayton thing was glaring as if you go to the PFL...it has to be Jacksonville.

[dgreco]

1-UCA
16-Monmouth

8-Brown
9-Albany

4-Liberty
13-Montana State

5-Massachusetts
12-Grambling State

3-Elon
14-Holy Cross

6-South Dakota State
11-Jacksonville State

7-Tennessee-Martin
10-Harvard

2-William & Mary
15-Jacksonville

[malibudude]

Your seedings are way off.

Here is what the NCAA GPI spits out as the NIT field (not having any restrictions):

William & Mary (10.60)
Northern Iowa (11.00)
Massachusetts (14.20)
Cent Arkansas (15.20)
Harvard (16.00)
Elon (16.00)
Furman (20.20)
E Washington (22.40)
Liberty (22.60)
McNeese St (23.80)
Montana St (24.40)
Ga Southern (24.80)
Northwestern St (29.60)
S Dakota St (30.20)
Samford (30.40)
Jacksonville St (31.40)

There in the NCAA playoffs

[danefan]

There in the NCAA playoffs

sorry, missed that one.

That puts Holy Cross or Brown in at 16 (they have the same GPI).

[WileECoyote06]

It absolutely makes sense. Jax State is better than FAMU. It was a dig at the NCAA who would select a inferior team as a seed because they have better attendance.xpeacex

It doesn't make any sense to consider JSU better than FAMU.

FAMU and Jax had one common opponent, Tennessee State:
FAMU beat Tennessee State on a neutral field, 28 - 21.
JSU beat TSU at home, 26 - 21.

The scores are so similar that the only argument can be made is that JSU had the advantage of playing TSU at home, which generally accounts for +3. At a neutral site, JSU only wins 23 - 21; and in Nashville, they lose 24 -23. In contrast, FAMU wins 31 - 21 at home, and still wins 25-24 in Nashville.

Of course all of that is statistical manipulation and speculation; but you can't definitively prove JSU is better than FAMU. In this case, the GPI shouldn't be used as a measuring stick.

[tribe_pride]

I am still trying to figure out if Liberty should even make the NIT. Their schedule was pretty weak. ;)

[CJHawkeyes]

Top 16 non-playoff teams based on my point system

1-Central Arkansas
2-Harvard
3-Liberty
4-Grambling
5-San Diego
6-Florida A&M
7-Jacksonville
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M
10-Jacksonville State
11-Dayton
12-Massachusetts
13-Tennessee-Martin
14-William & Mary
15-Tennessee State
16-Albany

[danefan]

Top 16 non-playoff teams based on my point system

1-Central Arkansas
2-Harvard
3-Liberty
4-Grambling
5-San Diego
6-Florida A&M
7-Jacksonville
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M
10-Jacksonville State
11-Dayton
12-Massachusetts
13-Tennessee-Martin
14-William & Mary
15-Tennessee State
16-Albany

Man, what kind of point system is that? Having San Diego, Jacksonville and Dayton ranked above W&M is nuts. Having 3 PFL teams in their at all is crazy.

[WileECoyote06]

This is difficult. .

1. UCA
16. San Diego

8. FAMU
9. Tennessee-Martin

4. Liberty
13. Jacksonville

5. Elon
12. Jacksonville State

2. William and Mary
15. Albany

7. Grambling
10. Brown

3. South Dakota Sate
14. Prairie View

6. Georgia Southern
11. Harvard

[danefan]

AGS Poll (week 13) spits out the following:

Central Arkansas
Harvard
William & Mary
Liberty
Elon
Jacksonville St.
McNeese St.
South Dakota St.
Massachusetts
Tennessee-Martin
Albany
Furman
Prairie View A&M
Grambling St.
Western Illinois
Florida A&M

[bjtheflamesfan]

Top 16 non-playoff teams based on my point system

1-Central Arkansas
2-Harvard
3-Liberty
4-Grambling
5-San Diego
6-Florida A&M
7-Jacksonville
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M
10-Jacksonville State
11-Dayton
12-Massachusetts
13-Tennessee-Martin
14-William & Mary
15-Tennessee State
16-Albany

Which would yield this bracket:

(Higher Seed hosts)

1- Central Arkansas
16- Albany
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M

2-Harvard
15- Tennessee State
7- Jacksonville U.
10 Jacksonville State

(and to settle any debate)
3-Liberty
14- William and Mary
6-Florida A&M
11-Dayton

4-Grambling
13- Tennessee-Martin
5-San Diego
12-Massacheusetts

Who would have the easiest road in your opinion and who would have the hardest?

[BearsCountry]

Come on you can't have the NIT without Missouri State. We live there.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Umm this ought to enact the same rule as the basketball NIT...you gotta finish above .500

[CJHawkeyes]

Which would yield this bracket:

(Higher Seed hosts)

1- Central Arkansas
16- Albany
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M

2-Harvard
15- Tennessee State
7- Jacksonville U.
10 Jacksonville State

(and to settle any debate)
3-Liberty
14- William and Mary
6-Florida A&M
11-Dayton

4-Grambling
13- Tennessee-Martin
5-San Diego
12-Massacheusetts

Who would have the easiest road in your opinion and who would have the hardest?


I'm not quite as familiar with the strength of various FCS teams as this is the first year I have followed it throughout as I was curious to see how my point system would fare. That said, I don't see anything that sticks out as easy.

[Dane96]

Ummm...well, your points system differs from just about every poll/ranking. Not even in the same stratosphere.

[brownbear]

This is difficult. .

1. UCA
16. San Diego

8. FAMU
9. Tennessee-Martin

4. Liberty
13. Jacksonville

5. Elon
12. Jacksonville State

2. William and Mary
15. Albany

7. Grambling
10. Brown

3. South Dakota Sate
14. Prairie View

6. Georgia Southern
11. Harvard

I don't see how you can rank Jacksonville ahead of Albany. JU has losses to UNC-Pembroke and Davidson.

[dgreco]

AGS Poll (week 13) spits out the following:

Central Arkansas
Harvard
William & Mary
Liberty
Elon
Jacksonville St.
McNeese St.
South Dakota St.
Massachusetts
Tennessee-Martin
Albany
Furman
Prairie View A&M
Grambling St.
Western Illinois
Florida A&M
That is a little more accurate than some people putting 3 PFL teams, except I think Brown needs ot be in there and Harvard is 10 seed best. I also think UMass would blow through most of this until they played a W&M or UCA. Maybe Albany :D

[dgreco]

Which would yield this bracket:

(Higher Seed hosts)

1- Central Arkansas
16- Albany
8-Elon
9-Prairie View A&M

2-Harvard
15- Tennessee State
7- Jacksonville U.
10 Jacksonville State

(and to settle any debate)
3-Liberty
14- William and Mary
6-Florida A&M
11-Dayton

4-Grambling
13- Tennessee-Martin
5-San Diego
12-Massacheusetts

Who would have the easiest road in your opinion and who would have the hardest?
Instead of going through most of this just look at:

W&M a 14 seed? and UMass a 12 seed?

[CJHawkeyes]

Ummm...well, your points system differs from just about every poll/ranking. Not even in the same stratosphere.

Perhaps that is true in some instances, but my idea is not concerned with many things valued by pollsters. It makes no claim about the best teams. Besides that, these are the results based on less than ideal circumstances. In a perfect world, FCS teams would play equal game regular season schedules versus FCS competition only. As things are, teams play different numbers of games which is an advantage to teams that play more games. I also improvised where FBS and D2 games are concerned by creating separate standard values for any opponent from those two groups.

[CJHawkeyes]

Instead of going through most of this just look at:

W&M a 14 seed? and UMass a 12 seed?

Teams are not seeded best to worst team. UMass is a 7-5 team. Except for Elon, every team seeded higher has at least two fewer losses. As for W&M, they are hurt by having played 11 games. Add a win versus a 5-6 team for example and they jump to fifth.

[Dane96]

Perhaps that is true in some instances, but my idea is not concerned with many things valued by pollsters. It makes no claim about the best teams. Besides that, these are the results based on less than ideal circumstances. In a perfect world, FCS teams would play equal game regular season schedules versus FCS competition only. As things are, teams play different numbers of games which is an advantage to teams that play more games. I also improvised where FBS and D2 games are concerned by creating separate standard values for any opponent from those two groups.

You do realize this makes absolutely no logical sense whatsover. Why would you have a secondary playoff based on a weighting system that does not make a claim to having the best teams involved?

[CJHawkeyes]

You do realize this makes absolutely no logical sense whatsover. Why would you have a secondary playoff based on a weighting system that does not make a claim to having the best teams involved?


The purpose of competition is to determine a winner. It is not to identify the best teams. Just as the better team is not entitled to win a football game for that reason alone, they aren't enitled to a higher ranking based on being better either. Even pretending you could quantify that UMass is a better team than many of the teams seeded higher in this hypothetical, it does not follow that they had a better season. Under my particular idea, the teams seeded higher had more valuable seasons than did UMass according to the prescribed rules. Is UMass a better team than most? Perhaps, but that is not relevant.

[danefan]

The purpose of competition is to determine a winner. It is not to identify the best teams. Just as the better team is not entitled to win a football game for that reason alone, they aren't enitled to a higher ranking based on being better either. Even pretending you could quantify that UMass is a better team than many of the teams seeded higher in this hypothetical, it does not follow that they had a better season. Under my particular idea, the teams seeded higher had more valuable seasons than did UMass according to the prescribed rules. Is UMass a better team than most? Perhaps, but that is not relevant.

Where you're argument falls apart for FCS football is that the committee is specifically proscribed to fill the at-large bids with the 8 best teams remaining.

So for purposes of this hypothetical exercise it is assumed you would fill the 16 spots with the 16 teams remaining.

[CJHawkeyes]

Where you're argument falls apart for FCS football is that the committee is specifically proscribed to fill the at-large bids with the 8 best teams remaining.

So for purposes of this hypothetical exercise it is assumed you would fill the 16 spots with the 16 teams remaining.

My argument does not fall apart if I advocate ignoring any consideration to the "best team" concept. Again, my idea ignores such things and it managed to agree with 15 of 16 actual playoff teams only favoring Liberty over Maine which is something the media poll did as well. As for this hypothetical, I filled the the NIT with the teams that had the 16 most valuable seasons according to the prescribed rules without any regard to who the best 16 remaining teams are.

[danefan]

My argument does not fall apart if I advocate ignoring any consideration to the "best team" concept. Again, my idea ignores such things and it managed to agree with 15 of 16 actual playoff teams only favoring Liberty over Maine which is something the media poll did as well. As for this hypothetical, I filled the the NIT with the teams that had the 16 most valuable seasons according to the prescribed rules without any regard to who the best 16 remaining teams are.

So are you saying that your point system was on for the playoffs with 15 of 16 teams, but then fell apart completely thereafter?

Are the 16 teams that you have in this NIT bracket the next 16 teams avaiable under your ranking system?

[Cocky]

All those Ivy's that played no one?

Hofstra over an Albany team that has won 7 straight...has the third leading rusher...and beaten Hofstra?

Northeastern-- really?

In honor of the selection committee I took the rest of the CAA.

[WileECoyote06]

The purpose of competition is to determine a winner. It is not to identify the best teams. Just as the better team is not entitled to win a football game for that reason alone, they aren't enitled to a higher ranking based on being better either. Even pretending you could quantify that UMass is a better team than many of the teams seeded higher in this hypothetical, it does not follow that they had a better season. Under my particular idea, the teams seeded higher had more valuable seasons than did UMass according to the prescribed rules. Is UMass a better team than most? Perhaps, but that is not relevant.

You're not talking to the wall buddy. I understand where you are coming from.

Depends on your philosophy for post season participation. Do you reward the best teams, or do you reward teams that have had the most successful seasons?

[CJHawkeyes]

You're not talking to the wall buddy. I understand where you are coming from.

Depends on your philosophy for post season participation. Do you reward the best teams, or do you reward teams that have had the most successful seasons?

I reward the most successful seasons. Of course, different rules will inevitaby disagree on which seasons qualify as more successful as they weigh on-field results differently. By no means do I believe the results based on on my idea are more right than those produced by another idea. They just are. If FCS teams had played by those rules, they would have ranked as they did.

For whatever reason, many college football fans seem obsessed with validating the best team or better teams. There are two problem with that. First is that is no way to actually quantify "best." It is matter of opinion. Second, even when everyone agrees on the best or better team, it is irrelevant. Games and competitions are played to determine winners. If a team is the best team, that is a competitive advantage it has towards winning a game or competition. It does not entitle the best team to win a game or competition. For example, in a football game, the team believed to be the better team must still score more points in order to win the game. The same concept applies to the football season. Typically, the best team must win more games than most others to make the playoffs. With my idea, teams have to accumulate the most points in the manner prescribed by the rules in order to qualify for the playoffs. If the best team fails to do this, so be it.

[CJHawkeyes]

So are you saying that your point system was on for the playoffs with 15 of 16 teams, but then fell apart completely thereafter?

Are the 16 teams that you have in this NIT bracket the next 16 teams avaiable under your ranking system?

Fell apart is a matter of opinion.:D Again, as I mentioned earlier, these are the results based on less than ideal circumstances. For example, many teams like UMass played fewer games than others and they also wasted one or more games on sure losses versus FBS competition. My idea works best if everyone within the FCS plays an equal number of games versus FCS competition only and is aware of the rules for scheduling puposes.

[stevdock]

Looks like most of these are basically going by record and not putting much thought into how tough a schedule they play. For example not putting SDSU in every NIT is just wrong. They had a 7-5 record and I believe their only non-playoff team loss was to McNeese.

I have no idea if we should be in there, which tells just how poorly we played this year. To not be in the top 16, it's gonna happen, but to not be in the top 32 is just horrible in my opinion for NDSU.

[TCisMYhero]

Davidson beats them all.

Stephen Curry plays football too??????xeyebrowx

[bjtheflamesfan]

Anybody else got an FCS NIT bracket in mind?

[malibudude]

Quick shot, sorry if errors

1-Central Arkansas
16- Albany

8-SDSU
9-Prairie View A&M

2-Elon
15- Tennessee-Martin

7- Grambling
10 Harvard

3-Liberty
14- Brown

6-FAMU
11-Furman

4- William& Mary
13- Tennessee-Martin

5-Jacksonville State
12-UMass

[Dane96]

Looks good...but Grambling as a 7...and FAMU as a 6?

Really?