TSN Poll - Liberty #14

[Sly Fox]

If the other polls follow form, then Liberty would've met the criteria laid out by the committee for an at large qualification (being inside the Top 16 with two victories over Auto Bid league teams and 7 DI wins).


1. James Madison Dukes (74) 10-1 2,018 1
2. Appalachian State Mountaineers (7) 10-2 1,936 2
3. Cal Poly Mustangs 8-2 1,774 3
4. Northern Iowa Panthers 10-2 1,753 4
5. Montana Grizzlies 11-1 1,719 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 9-2 1,627 6
7. Richmond Spiders 9-3 1,550 7
8. Wofford Terriers 9-2 1,422 9
9. Southern Illinois Salukis 9-2 1,377 10
10. New Hampshire Wildcats 9-2 1,206 11
11. Central Arkansas Bears 10-2 1,128 13
12. Weber State Wildcats 9-3 1,095 8
13. South Carolina State Bulldogs 10-2 980 15
14. Liberty Flames 10-2 771 22
15. Harvard Crimson 9-1 676 19
16. Colgate Raiders 9-2 630 21
17. Elon Phoenix 8-4 597 12
18. McNeese State Cowboys 7-4 570 14
19. William & Mary Tribe 7-4 558 16
20. Maine Black Bears 8-4 432 17
21. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 8-3 417 NR
22. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 8-3 401 24
23. Texas State Bobcats 8-4 259 NR
24. Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 8-4 252 18
25. Prairie View A&M Panthers 9-1 142 NR

Others receiving votes: South Dakota State 139, Grambling 118, Furman 113, Florida A&M 92, Massachusetts 59, Holy Cross 50, Brown 49, North Dakota State 41, Western Illinois 34, Northwestern State 22, Eastern Washington 18, Albany 17, Tennessee State 15, San Diego 11, Montana State 10, Monmouth 7, Jacksonville 6, Bethune-Cookman 5, Lafayette 4, Georgia Southern 3, Dayton 2, Penn 1.

As of November 23, 2008, at 09:08 AM ET

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[knucklehead]

Funny, I just read in another thread where someone thought that yesterday's game only proved that Elon wasn't very good. I think the voters seem to think the opposite and that LU beat a very good team soundly! GO LU!

[bjtheflamesfan]

Really its odd...going in a lot of people had Elon pegged to win by two or three TDs and basically march into the playoffs. Well something happened on the way to Elon marching into the postseason...they lost. Now you have people (there are plenty giving the Flames their due and you aren't seeing Elon folks downplaying the loss) coming out trying to say that Elon wasn't very good like you said. You cant have your cake and eat it too

[CarolinaGirl]

Congratulations on your win yesterday! I tried to watch as much of the game as I could. Good luck today!! I hope y'all make it in! xthumbsupx

[Dukie95]

First of all: Congrats, this will get Liberty that last spot for sure. See you guys next week. xthumbsupx

Second of all: This and other polls have been overranking Elon all year, so it's no surpise that it would overreact by moving liberty from 22 to 14. This is nothing new. Many of us could never understand why Elon was ranked above Richmond/Villanova for a few weeks early in the season when all head-to-head objective evidence was clearly against the pollsters.

I still can't figure out why Elon was the darling of the pollsters so early on and it continued throughout the season, including this week.

[Panther88]

Prairie View A&M has NEVER EVER made an FCS-type top 25 poll so this is history. :(

From 0-80 just a few years ago to top 25 FCS. :(

xbawlingx WE WANT THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!! WE WANT TO GO TO TX STATE!!!! xbawlingx

[treacherous]

Prairie View A&M has NEVER EVER made an FCS-type top 25 poll so this is history. :(

From 0-80 just a few years ago to top 25 FCS. :(

xbawlingx WE WANT THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!! WE WANT TO GO TO TX STATE!!!! xbawlingx

We want you to, too! We would LOVE a home playoff game against another team that, like Texas State, has had years and years of mediocrity and down right horrible teams, and now has turned things around and is going places.

[Jerbearasu]

Funny, I just read in another thread where someone thought that yesterday's game only proved that Elon wasn't very good. I think the voters seem to think the opposite and that LU beat a very good team soundly! GO LU!

I seem to think it's a bit of both. You look at all 4 of the big games Elon played and they lost 3 of the 4 games rather convincingly (App was the only one that they were actually in it at the end).
I am not discounting Liberty or saying they don't deserve to be in the playoffs because at one point in the season I had them at #14 and moving up strongly but that loss to PC was just a bad, bad loss. With the strength of schedule it is just really hard to have that kind of a loss on your resume especially when you are talking about 2 of your OOC wins were against WCU who hasn't been good in a while and a YSU team that turned out to be a lot worse than any could imagine (that is not your fault they turned out bad and I give you props for putting them on the schedule). The Lafayette loss is respectable and the Elon game is a good win. IMHO, Liberty gets in mainly because of what happened to all of the other bubble teams around the country. LU was the only team to firmly put their foot down and say; "we deserve to be there".

[knucklehead]

I think we scheduled the right teams (WCU, YSU, ELON) and then beat them. It isn't our fault 2 of the 3 are down this year. I know the committee and pollsters don't necessarily agree with that though. I think the big point is what you said though. With the playoffs on the line, LU made a statement and won while all the other logical bubble teams LOST. This is key and LU is in.

[appstate1998]

as SE pointed out earlier...there are NO guarantees unless you got an AQ


this is from 2006-San Diego was undefeated and beat their opponents by an average of 46-11.

6. James Madison (5.44)
7. New Hampshire (7.67)
8. Illinois St (10.11)
9. S Illinois (11.44)

10. Portland St (12.78) <---Not selected
11. Furman (14.00)
12. Northern Iowa (14.89) <---Not selected
13. San Diego (15.22) <---Not selected

Bubble:
19. Wofford (19.89)
20. Coastal Carolina (20.11) <---Selected
22. Montana St (20.89) <---Selected
26. E Illinois (24.78) <---Selected

[appstate1998]

I think we scheduled the right teams (WCU, YSU, ELON) and then beat them. It isn't our fault 2 of the 3 are down this year. I know the committee and pollsters don't necessarily agree with that though. I think the big point is what you said though. With the playoffs on the line, LU made a statement and won while all the other logical bubble teams LOST. This is key and LU is in.

what about Glenville State and North Greenville? And I wouldn't neccessarily say scheduling WCU is a way to strengthen your schedule. I'll give you the other two.

[SuperJon]

We had a Division I team back out at the last minute and that's why we had to go with Glenville State. The original schedule had North Greenville and 11 Division I programs. We were put in a situation of playing 11 straight games or playing another Division II school. We didn't want to do it.

[appstate1998]

We had a Division I team back out at the last minute and that's why we had to go with Glenville State. The original schedule had North Greenville and 11 Division I programs. We were put in a situation of playing 11 straight games or playing another Division II school. We didn't want to do it.

that makes sense then

[Panther88]

We want you to, too! We would LOVE a home playoff game against another team that, like Texas State, has had years and years of mediocrity and down right horrible teams, and now has turned things around and is going places.

Where's Syntax Error treachery?! xmadx He has some type of pull w/ the FCS Selection Committee and can make this happen for both of us! We want you all like you want us. xbawlingx

I really need to cope because I'm not taking this well. xbawlingx

[JaxSinfonian]

An 8-spot jump? It looks like voters decided Liberty deserved the playoffs and cast their ballots with that in mind. But hey, If Jax State can climb two spots while sitting idle, I suppose it follows.

I think Liberty's in at this point, but I'm still holding out hope. Still, it's nice to finish the season inside the top 25. And with a pair of OVC teams for company, even. That's good for the league.

[Syntax Error]

If the other polls follow form, then Liberty would've met the criteria laid out by the committee for an at large qualification (being inside the Top 16 with two victories over Auto Bid league teams and 7 DI wins).That is only if you are from an AQ eligible conference. So no bridge AQ for the Big South. You can get an at-large as always. xthumbsupx

[TheValleyRaider]

Prairie View A&M has NEVER EVER made an FCS-type top 25 poll so this is history. :(

From 0-80 just a few years ago to top 25 FCS. :(

xbawlingx WE WANT THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!! WE WANT TO GO TO TX STATE!!!! xbawlingx

That sucks for PV xmadx

Still, congrats on finally making the Top 25 xbowx xbowx xbowx

[ToTheLeft]

That is only if you are from an AQ eligible conference. So no bridge AQ for the Big South. You can get an at-large as always. xthumbsupx

Liberty fans came to that painful realization. However, meeting the qualifications can only help show our worthiness for an at large, even if it isn't "automatic".

[Panther88]

That is only if you are from an AQ eligible conference. So no bridge AQ for the Big South. You can get an at-large as always. xthumbsupx

Gott dammit Syntax Err, what must we do to gain your vote of confidence?! xmadx

WE WANT TO TRAVEL TO TEXAS STATE FOR A FIRST ROUND FCS TILT!!! Where's the slapping smiley? xconfusedx

[Panther88]

That sucks for PV xmadx

Still, congrats on finally making the Top 25 xbowx xbowx xbowx

Appreciate the congratulatory TVR! It's nice to be noted for something positive. :)