Holy Cross at Colgate - Game Thread

[TheValleyRaider]

We're approximately 1 hour away from kickoff at the winter wonderland of Andy Kerr Stadium in Hamilton, NY

It's the 2008 Patriot League Championship Game

Holy Cross Crusaders, 7-3 (5-0)
at
Colgate Raiders, 8-2 (4-0)

Last Time Out
Holy Cross - W 27-26 at Lafayette
Colgate - W 34-33 at Lehigh

All-Time Series: Holy Cross 37-38-5
Streak: Holy Cross, 1 Win
Last Meeting: Holy Cross 27-20 in Worcester

Media links from GoColgateRaiders.com

Audio from TeamLine (free):
http://www.teamline.cc/teampage?teamcode=2007

LiveStats from ICS SideArm Stats:
http://www.sidearmstats.com/colgate/football/

Video from TimeWarner 26 through Colgate All-Access (for a fee):
http://secure.internetconsult.com/colgate/login.aspx

Next Game
For one Team: 1st Round, NCAA Playoffs
For the Other: 2009

Let's Go 'Gate!

[TheValleyRaider]

There are no changes to the starting lineup this week from the Lehigh game two weeks ago. Scott is again listed on the 2-deep at Eachus' backup, but we'll find out his status during pregame

The Jordan Scott Record Watch
Career Rushing TDs (Colgate): 3 TDs
Career Scoring (Colgate): 17 points
Career Carries (Division I): 24 carries
Career Carries (NCAA): 80 carries

Scott needs 28 yards to become the 8th player in FCS history to rush for 1,000 yards in all 4 of his collegiate seasons.
The distinguished list:
Jerry Azumah, New Hampshire
Adrian Peterson, Georgia Southern
Alonzo Coleman, Hampton
Clifton Dawson, Harvard
Steve Baylark, Massachusetts
Scott Phaydavong, Drake
Donald Chapman, Tennessee-Martin

Scott needs 45 yards to reach 5th Place on the Career FCS Rushing List, he is currently 6th

Other records of note coming into this game include:
-WR Pat Simonds needs 2 receiving yards to reach 10th on the school's all-time list, 48 for 9th and 72 for 8th. He also needs only 40 yards to reach 1,000 for the 2008 season

-QB Greg Sullivan needs 44 rushing yards to break the school's single season record for QB rushing yards, held by Tom Parr (1973), set during Colgate's days in the wishbone offense

-Nate Eachus needs 246 yards to reach 1,000 on the season, which would make him only the second freshman in school history to do so (the first being Jordan Scott)

-Holy Cross is the only Patriot League school against which Colgate does not have a winning record in the All-Time Series

A news video feature from News10 (http://news10now.com/Video/video_pop.aspx?vids=81040&sid=1032&rid=1013), local TV, about today's game

[TheValleyRaider]

Today is the final regular season home game for Colgate's 17 seniors

Thanks for 4 years of great achievements, great moments and great memories xsmileyclapx xsmileyclapx xsmileyclapx xsmileyclapx

#8-Chris Ekpo CB
#13-Sam Breslin WR
#15-Alex Relph QB
#22-David Morgan DB
#25-Steve Hansen TB
#30-Jordan Scott TB
#34-Eric Tupta FB
#39-Jacob Stein K
#41-Ted Marshall LB
#44-Mike Beatty FB
#50-Brian Doyle C
#56-Justin Snyder OT
#57-Rich Rosabella OG
#63-Ryan Dowgin K
#72-Steve Jonas OT
#74-Nick Hennessey OT
#91-Jim Meara DT

[TheValleyRaider]

I won't be able to update for at least most of the game, if at all

If someone wants to be watching and take the reins, I certainly won't complain xthumbsupx

[Go...gate]

Forecast cold, wind, snow up to five inches. Chill factor 7 to 10 degrees.

[colgate13]

LET'S GO 'GATE!

[TheValleyRaider]

TimeWarner Pregame says:


Jordan Scott is back! :)

[colgate13]

OUCH.

7-0 HC on a 76 yard pass... missed tackle. 59 seconds in.

Time to get to work on the O.

[Go...gate]

Two plays, 89 yards, 59 seconds on the HC drive.

[colgate13]

Colgate responds with a 50 yard TD pass.

7-7 tie

[colgate13]

Sullivan to simonds.

Scott may not be 100% still. Eachus had a little success on that drive. It's a ball game folks... Gate defense held HC to force the punt.

[Go...gate]

13, you think this shapes up like a track meet?

[colgate13]

Don't know. I think Colgate passing TD bodes well for opening up the running game. We'll lose a track meet. We need some time of possession.

Colgate's got to make some decision about blitzing. Randolph is hitting his players pretty easily. We have to mix it up.

Wait...

HC scores again from a wide open player off a blitz. 14-7. We have to change that.

[colgate13]

Bottom line is we have to stay close until the second half. We are a very slow starting team. We have to be able to be in reach to grind it out in the second half.

Unfortunately I think Eachus might be the one to go to today. Scott might not be ready.

And we need to slow this offense down with the defense. Make them catch in front. It sounds like we are risking too much with our blitzing and man coverage.

[colgate13]

Direct snap to Babb! 13 yard pickup. I like this offense mix up. This will open up the run...

[colgate13]

4 and 2 from the 24. FG time?

We need TDs...

[Go...gate]

Colgate facing a big 4th down with the ball.

[Go...gate]

Very close...he looks short.

[colgate13]

Sullivan keeper - first down by inches!

[Go...gate]

First Down by inches!

[colgate13]

HC huddles by the space heaters on the sideline...

That's a good fourth quarter indicator if we can stay close. HC thinks it's cold!

[Go...gate]

Scott carries to the HC 16.

[colgate13]

Scott is actually picking it up. Maybe the rust needs to come off.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Good to hear from you again 13!!!!!!!!!

[colgate13]

Scott down to the 2. First and goal.

[colgate13]

Good to hear from you again 13!!!!!!!!!
Been watching from a far. I've got some time off today. I had my fingers cross for UNH hosting colgate in the playoffs....

[colgate13]

SCOTT TD!
14-14.

1000 yards rushing broken.

I like that... we put a drive together... we need to do that and the 4th quarter will be ours.

[Go...gate]

PAT is good.

14 - 14

[colgate13]

14 play drive. 7 + minutes. 60 + yards. That's Colgate's game plan.

[Go...gate]

7:30 on that Colgate TD drive.

Stupid penalty on Colgate on the kickoff.

[colgate13]

Oh no - short field on kick. penalty too... late hit.

Randolph can take some shots from the CU 36. Ouch.

[colgate13]

HC knocking on the door at the 11.

CU is going to need a turnover to stop this offense.

[colgate13]

5 wides... fade pattern...

TD HC.

21-14.

Defense not a factor for either team this game...

[Go...gate]

Randolph is awfully good. HC is killing the Colgate secondary.

[colgate13]

CU driving...

closing in on the red zone... 25 yard line

FGs not an option. 9 left in the half.

[Go...gate]

Colgate driving again. Scott runs for First Down at HC 25,

Under nine minutes in Second Quarter

Sullivan keeps, runs into referee, down to 16. Nice tackle by referee. xlolx

[Go...gate]

Scott dives for the First Down.

[colgate13]

4th and 2 from the 6.

TO to think about it.

man, these games take years off my life!

[Go...gate]

Over five minutes on this drive. Sounds like Super Bowl 25.

[Go...gate]

WHY NOT TAKE THE POINTS THERE?!?!?!?!?

[colgate13]

incomplete pass - questionable call.

penalty on CU. HC on the 20. tough break. That could be a turning point.

[colgate13]

WHY NOT TAKE THE POINTS THERE?!?!?!?!?

FGs will not win this game. Go for it.

[colgate13]

3:48 left in the half. We need a stand going into the half.

Snow coming down sideways.

[Go...gate]

3:48 LEFT 2nd Quarter.

Randolph blitzed and throws it away.

[Go...gate]

15 yard completion by Randolph.

3:08 left, heavy snow falling.

[colgate13]

Holy Cross knocking on the door. Ball on the 20. 2:04 left.

I gotta go to work. Godspeed Colgate! Get it in the second half! C'mon Defense!

[Go...gate]

Halftime, HC 24-14.

Looking kinda tough for Colgate. Randolph is the real deal.

[Go...gate]

4:51 left in Third Quarter, Simonds catches TD pass from Sullivan. Stein adds PAT. 24-21 Holy Cross. Colgate still has a chance.

[Go...gate]

Colgate held the ball for 10:09 - they took the kickoff and held it. HC now getting its first possession of the Second Half.

Mc Dermott returns KO for HC to HC 38.

[Go...gate]

Colgate defense stuffs the first play, very fired up.

[Go...gate]

13:05 4th quarter, Eachus rushing TD and Stein PAT gives Colgate a 28-27 lead. One hell of a game.

[UMass922]

Update, anyone?

[art vandelay]

i have to say these fans stink at keeping their score thread up to date.

[RichH2]

score still the same as per ESPN

[danefan]

live stats
http://www.sidearmstats.com/colgate/football/

says Final
28-27 Colgate

[TheValleyRaider]

We're celebrating :D xbeerchugx

Holy Cross 27
Colgate 28
Final

2008 PATRIOT LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!

[RichH2]

Congrats, Iam waiting LU. we are on the 1 trying to score

[colgate13]

CONGRATULATIONS COLGATE! WOO-HOO! OUTRIGHT PATRIOT LEAGUE CHAMPS!

This team knows how to win. Great job by all... And great job by HC. The game lived up to its billing.

[Go...gate]

i have to say these fans stink at keeping their score thread up to date.

Sorry guys - I had to run out - nurse called, my Dad had an emergency, which has gratefully passed.

[ngineer]

Congrats to the 'gaters! Sounds like a hell of a game. I expected Randolph to pick apart your secondary. Only 3 points in the second half?! Sounds like 'gate's ground game kept Randolph grounded on the sideline. Good luck and represent the PL well in the playoffs. HC--tough game, tough season. Oh, so close (and we know how that feels). Good to see the PL was so competitive this year, though. I see Bucknell came back from being down 21-7 to take Fordham in to OT and win.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Very impressed by the Colgate win. I thought HC would win but Biddle once again proves he has a recipe for success in the PL. As for HC gotta feel like a missed chance in Dom's Sr. year. Randolph will go down as one of the best statistical QB's ever in the league but i think he legacy is pretty much set since he failed win anything during his 4 years.

[Go...gate]

A great win against an excellent team. HC has a fine club.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

How big was the crowd? I'm guessing it was one of the the larger crowds at Andy Kerr recently?

[DFW HOYA]

How big was the crowd? I'm guessing it was one of the the larger crowds at Andy Kerr recently?

4,862.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

4,862.

LOL are you serious? Wow that's quite pathetic. :o Colgate just can't seem to draw even a good crowd by High School standards for big games. It only makes it that more incredible that Biddle can get kids to go to Hamilton and play in front of lots of empty seats. I don't know how he does it.

[DFW HOYA]

You think that's bad, check the attendance for Fordham-Bucknell.

http://fordhamsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/bufb11.html#GAME.SUM

[LehighFan11]

LOL are you serious? Wow that's quite pathetic. :o Colgate just can't seem to draw even a good crowd by High School standards for big games. It only makes it that more incredible that Biddle can get kids to go to Hamilton and play in front of lots of empty seats. I don't know how he does it.
Yea great point. How can Colgate recruit players away from Lehigh and Lafayette? Lehigh draws 8k normally and always has a 16k game vs. Lafayette? Props to Biddle and Colgate.


I'll be rooting for you vs. UNH.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

You think that's bad, check the attendance for Fordham-Bucknell.

http://fordhamsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2008-2009/bufb11.html#GAME.SUM

That is really bad although i'm not as surprised by the Bucknell figure as i am the Colgate. Bucknell draws no one for football. I believe everytime i've been there you could litterally count the Bison fans on the other side of the stadium. They have zero support outside of basketball. Colgate on the otherhand i can't quite explain. I would have thought atleast 7-8k for such a huge game.

[DFW HOYA]

I don't think the Bucknell issue is isolated--the PL fan base is really starting to erode outside of the Lehigh Valley, but as long as the "rivalry" is doing well, the league is making little effort to combat it.

Here are the conference averages for league only games in 2008:

Lafayette 11,159
Lehigh 7,514
HC 7,264
Colgate 5,791
Fordham 3,192
Georgetown 2,087
Bucknell 1,363

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yea great point. How can Colgate recruit players away from Lehigh and Lafayette? Lehigh draws 8k normally and always has a 16k game vs. Lafayette? Props to Biddle and Colgate.


I'll be rooting for you vs. UNH.

I belive this was the first year Lehigh didn't lead the league in attendance in about 18 years, Lafayette got the honor thanks to today. Lehigh up until the last couple of years average between 10.5-12k for as long as i can remember. Hopefully Lehigh can get things back on track and reclaim their perch.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't think the Bucknell issue is isolated--the PL fan base is really starting to erode outside of the Lehigh Valley, but as long as the "rivalry" is doing well, the league is making little effort to combat it.

Here are the conference averages for league only games in 2008:

Lafayette 11,159
Lehigh 7,514
HC 7,264
Colgate 5,791
Fordham 3,192
Georgetown 2,087
Bucknell 1,363

I don't think it's really eroded. Fordham, Bucknell and Fordham have never drawn for as long as i can remember, late 80's early 90's. Lehigh will be over 10k next with Lafayette and could be over 11k if they can put together a winning season. Lafayette has always been in the 6-8k range, HC used to draw better but then their program hit the skids so i think it might take a couple years for them to really break out. Colgate is the enigma. Yes Hamilton is Hamilton but there's still a lot of people in CNY that they should do better drawing.

[DFW HOYA]

Well, it's not exactly growing in Washington, but you can't build a base losing 15 of 16 PL games, almost all by 2+ touchdowns.

And for the first time I can recall, there's a post on the Georgetown message board asking if the Hoyas would be better off just adding scholarships in the NEC instead of whatever benefits the PL was supposed to bring. That discussion would have been unheard of in prior years.

[Go...gate]

LOL are you serious? Wow that's quite pathetic. :o Colgate just can't seem to draw even a good crowd by High School standards for big games. It only makes it that more incredible that Biddle can get kids to go to Hamilton and play in front of lots of empty seats. I don't know how he does it.

This is nothing new. With an occasional exception, it has been going on since after the First World War. That is why Colgate, until the last 15 years, played, at most, two or three home games a year out of 10 or 11 total (and usually about 8 home games out of 23-26 in basketball).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Well, it's not exactly growing in Washington.

And for the first time I can recall, there's a post on the Georgetown message board asking if the Hoyas would be better off adding scholarships in the NEC instead of whatever benefits the PL was supposed to bring. That discussion would have been unheard of in prior years.

Georgetown would get clobbered in the NEC just like they do in the PL given their current facilities and commitment. I just shake my head when Georgetown fans continually blame the PL for the programs downfalls. Build a freakin stadium and then maybe you'll get some players to go there. FCS is more bigtime than most Hoya fans would like to believe IMO and while Georgetown is a great school there's a lot of great to very good schools that are way more appealing to someone wanting to play football at the D1 level.

[Go...gate]

That is really bad although i'm not as surprised by the Bucknell figure as i am the Colgate. Bucknell draws no one for football. I believe everytime i've been there you could litterally count the Bison fans on the other side of the stadium. They have zero support outside of basketball. Colgate on the otherhand i can't quite explain. I would have thought atleast 7-8k for such a huge game.

It wasn't always this way. I can remember Colgate-Bucknell, Rutgers-Bucknell and, later, Princeton-Bucknell games at Lewisburg in the 1960's, 70's and 80's where they routinely drew five figures. That program has never been the same since Gadd died. Seems like a lot of the life and support in the Bucknell program passed alomg with him.

[Go...gate]

Well, it's not exactly growing in Washington, but you can't build a base losing 15 of 16 PL games, almost all by 2+ touchdowns.

And for the first time I can recall, there's a post on the Georgetown message board asking if the Hoyas would be better off just adding scholarships in the NEC instead of whatever benefits the PL was supposed to bring. That discussion would have been unheard of in prior years.

I am very happy that Georgetown is a member of the PL, but Georgetown has not made a full commitment to PL football and football facilities and needs to do this. Georgetown's fans need to look to their own administration before they blame the PL.

[DFW HOYA]

I just shake my head when Georgetown fans continually blame the PL for the programs downfalls. Build a freakin stadium and then maybe you'll get some players to go there.

If you've got a way to get something built there, I'm all for it. But both of us know that you could build the second coming of Princeton Stadium but if you can't recruit talent, get them through admissions, and have a style of play that averages more than 9 points a game, it's not going to send you to the top.

[ngineer]

Bucknell had 837 at Christy Matthewson Stadium today for their wild come from behind win in OT versus Fordham?!xsmhx

Lehigh's attendance is down this year mostly due to lousy weather for 3 of our five home games. Yes, the student attendance is down, as well, but we'd be between 9-10,000 otherwise.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

If you've got a way to get something built there, I'm all for it. But both of us know that you could build the second coming of Princeton Stadium but if you can't recruit talent, get them through admissions, and have a style of play that averages more than 9 points a game, it's not going to send you to the top.

Believe me, if Georgetown built a Stony Brook esque stadium, heck even something like Fordham their fortunes would start to turn. You can't blame the league for any of the short comings that you mention above. It's all on the Hoya's to make their bed. Temple was in a similar situation with the Big East and i have no hard feelings about our boot. We didn't have the facilities and commitment to compete in that league.

[Go...gate]

If you've got a way to get something built there, I'm all for it. But both of us know that you could build the second coming of Princeton Stadium but if you can't recruit talent, get them through admissions, and have a style of play that averages more than 9 points a game, it's not going to send you to the top.

I understand, but Georgetown has so much going for it - a wonderful school - great location - Jesuit tradition - I just cannot figure out why you guys are not attracting more and better football players. Moreover, a lot of great players at Catholic high schools want to play at a Catholic college, and they can't all play for Notre Dame, Boston College, Holy Cross, Fordham, Villanova, Dayton, Duquesne and San Diego.

[DFW HOYA]

Believe me, if Georgetown built a Stony Brook esque stadium, heck even something like Fordham their fortunes would start to turn. You can't blame the league for any of the short comings that you mention above. It's all on the Hoya's to make their bed.

The PL is not responsible for the facilities mess. But I do fault the league for not accounting for the AI inequity that has left Georgetown off the radar for kids that are getting in today to places like into Fordham and Holy Cross.

In the first 12 years of the PL, only four teams had winless seasons, two at Fordham, and the first two years of Davidson. Georgetown has had four in eight years and two in the last three. I think the donor base is seeing these goose-eggs and want to see results before they give any more.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The PL is not responsible for the facilities mess. But I do fault the league for not accounting for the AI inequity that has left Georgetown off the radar for kids that are getting in today to places like into Fordham and Holy Cross.

In the first 12 years of the PL, only four teams had winless seasons, two at Fordham, and the first two years of Davidson. Georgetown has had four in eight years and two in the last three. I think the donor base is seeing these goose-eggs and want to see results before they give any more.

Colgate was 0-11 in 1995 which was during the first 12 years.

I just don't see anyway Georgetown can attract the kind of athlete needed given the current facilities. Basically the Hoyas are screwed if they think they're going to turn the ship around without getting the stadium situation ironed out.

[DFW HOYA]

I just don't see anyway Georgetown can attract the kind of athlete needed given the current facilities. Basically the Hoyas are screwed if they think they're going to turn the ship around without getting the stadium situation ironed out.


This is the classic "guns or butter" argument Georgetown had to deal with for years. The old regime was ready to play with 10 - 15 equivalencies if it meant getting the field built sooner. The new one is pushing depth over surroundings. And short of Lehigh and Lafayette buying out its games in Washington every year or PL teams playing the Hoyas at a local high school, that's where they are right now.

[HoyaMetanoia]

Colgate was 0-11 in 1995 which was during the first 12 years.

I just don't see anyway Georgetown can attract the kind of athlete needed given the current facilities. Basically the Hoyas are screwed if they think they're going to turn the ship around without getting the stadium situation ironed out.

I may say this 'til I'm blue in the face, but I don't think it's necessarily the quality of athletes coming to Georgetown that are the problem. Recently Georgetown has attracted a good number of talented kids with scholarship offers from 1-A schools, because I believe the school does recruit for itself in some ways. However, kids who make this decision are making it in spite of two factors: our HC and our facilities. The MSF and CKK are not attracting anyone, and I think would be two of the biggest gripes of the current players if you asked them today. One of these issues is readily fixable, the other is not. One is holding back the talent that we've already attracted, the other is holding back future talent.

[Go...gate]

Photos from today's game are here:

http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/sports/gallery/FTBvsHolyCross/

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I don't think the Bucknell issue is isolated--the PL fan base is really starting to erode outside of the Lehigh Valley, but as long as the "rivalry" is doing well, the league is making little effort to combat it.

Here are the conference averages for league only games in 2008:

Lafayette 11,159
Lehigh 7,514
HC 7,264
Colgate 5,791
Fordham 3,192
Georgetown 2,087
Bucknell 1,363

First and foremost, congratulations to Colgate (I predicted a 29-28 win for the Raiders, but I'll settle for a 28-27 win! xthumbsupx )!

As per this issue, note the climbing numbers of Holy Cross. Winning begats bigger crowds. Unfortunately, Holy Cross doesn't really have a regional partner or rivalry in the league, meaning if you're a 'Cross fan and you want to take a road trip, it's a real bear to travel for 5 hours to see Bucknell or G'Town.

Colgate always seems to travel well to Lehigh (and probably Lafayette, too), but they're just such a small town up there. A small, dedicated hard-core group of fans I'd call them.

[colgate13]

More photos from syracuse newspaper:

http://photos.syracuse.com/gallery/4456/Holy%20Cross%20vs%20Colgate%20football

[DFW HOYA]

During the Penn State-Michigan State game, the announcers relayed a story about Joe Paterno and the importance of his team's Senior Day, as JoePa recalled his last game as a senior against Colgate in 1949. According to JoePa, Rip Engle was going to bench the seniors after Colgate led 26-6 at the half, and Paterno implored the coach to give the seniors a chance.

Brown turned it around and won 41-26. Engle was hired by Penn State after the season and decided to take that perceptive young cornerback with him. He's never left.

[TheValleyRaider]

It hasn't been mentioned yet, but hats off to the Crusaders. They played one heck of a game, and undoubtedly gave it everything they had. Great season for the boys in purple xbowx xbowx xbowx

[ColgateTD]

First and foremost, congratulations to Colgate (I predicted a 29-28 win for the Raiders, but I'll settle for a 28-27 win! xthumbsupx )!
Colgate always seems to travel well to Lehigh (and probably Lafayette, too), but they're just such a small town up there. A small, dedicated hard-core group of fans I'd call them.

Got you one better LFN. I had it 28-27 Raiders!

Yes, a dedicated group of hard-core fans, but not so small when you think of all the alums around the nation pulling for the Raiders every game.

Hats off to the Crusaders. They played a great game and it could have gone either way. The grind it out, ball control FB, with a few passes thrown in, is what did it. Taking time off the clock; this is the Biddle creed and seems to have been successful for many years. Gotta say tho: that Randolph has a canon and the 'Saders were never out of it right up to the last kneel-down..

[bison137]

In the first 12 years of the PL, only four teams had winless seasons, two at Fordham, and the first two years of Davidson. Georgetown has had four in eight years and two in the last three. I think the donor base is seeing these goose-eggs and want to see results before they give any more.


Actually in the first 12 years of the PL, there were 7 winless seasons scattered among four teams - Fordham, Colgate, Towson, and Davidson. (Had Davidson not been in the league, another team would have had a winless season.) Since then, there have been 3 more winless seasons not involving Georgetown.

[DFW HOYA]

Actually in the first 12 years of the PL, there were 7 winless seasons scattered among four teams - Fordham, Colgate, Towson, and Davidson. (Had Davidson not been in the league, another team would have had a winless season.) Since then, there have been 3 more winless seasons not involving Georgetown.

Thanks for the clarification. I was using an old PL media guide so I must have missed a few.

Still, two in the last three years is not where an eighth year team should be.

[crusader11]

The time of possession was the most telling stat in the game.

Colgate 43 minutes (25 in the 2nd half)
Holy Cross 17 minutes (5 in the second half)

It was not that the Colgate's defense was good, because it was far from it, it was that the Colgate offense, particularly their ground game, ate clock like it was a fat kid eating chocolate cake all day.

[Go...gate]

During the Penn State-Michigan State game, the announcers relayed a story about Joe Paterno and the importance of his team's Senior Day, as JoePa recalled his last game as a senior against Colgate in 1949. According to JoePa, Rip Engle was going to bench the seniors after Colgate led 26-6 at the half, and Paterno implored the coach to give the seniors a chance.

Brown turned it around and won 41-26. Engle was hired by Penn State after the season and decided to take that perceptive young cornerback with him. He's never left.


Colgate-Brown is one of Colgate's most played rivalries. We have played 55 times, many years on Thanksgiving Day (including the game Joe Paterno is referring to). His late brother, George, also starred on that 1949 team, one of Brown's best ever.