MVC AQ

[URMite]

So with 4 AQs left, OVC & PL seem simple, Southland has a couple of possibilities. But who does SIU play this week? And who can get the AQ if they lose?

Plus with what I assume would be a bad loss and Non-counter, they would be 7-3 and slightly less than a lock, so it could effect teams outside the MVC.

[crunifan]

So with 4 AQs left, OVC & PL seem simple, Southland has a couple of possibilities. But who does SIU play this week? And who can get the AQ if they lose?

Plus with what I assume would be a bad loss and Non-counter, they would be 7-3 and slightly less than a lock, so it could effect teams outside the MVC.

SIU plays at Illinois State. While ISU is a thorn in the Salukis side, they should be able to clinch the autobid next weekend.

In the event they fail to beat the Redbirds, UNI will win the autobid. UNI has already clinched a share of the MVC title, but due to losing the head to head with SIU, we only receive the autobid if SIU loses.

[JayJ79]

SIU plays at Illinois State. While ISU is a thorn in the Salukis side, they should be able to clinch the autobid next weekend.

In the event they fail to beat the Redbirds, UNI will win the autobid. UNI has already clinched a share of the MVC title, but due to losing the head to head with SIU, we only receive the autobid if SIU loses.

Our conference schedule is finished. you can add to your sig line. xcoolx

[crunifan]

Well, what do you know! You're absolutely right. How pretty does that look now?

[joecooll6]

So with 4 AQs left, OVC & PL seem simple, Southland has a couple of possibilities. But who does SIU play this week? And who can get the AQ if they lose?

Plus with what I assume would be a bad loss and Non-counter, they would be 7-3 and slightly less than a lock, so it could effect teams outside the MVC.

They would be 8-3, unless you're throwing out the non-counters.

I think the win over UNI gets them in anyway. They also have decent wins against SDSU and WIU.

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So with 4 AQs left, OVC & PL seem simple, Southland has a couple of possibilities. But who does SIU play this week? And who can get the AQ if they lose?
Plus with what I assume would be a bad loss and Non-counter, they would be 7-3 and slightly less than a lock, so it could effect teams outside the MVC.With a good game against a good FBS team, three wins over ranked FCS, I think they are pretty much in though a loss at Illinois State may make for some sweating when Selection Sunday comes. I assume you mean the one score loss at the Fargodome is the "bad loss" or would it be to the Redbirds?

[siuham]

A loss to ISU would be a bad loss, but the NDSU loss is pretty bad too, given the halftime lead that was blown. And it wasn't much of a game with Northwestern after the first half.

[URMite]

With a good game against a good FBS team, three wins over ranked FCS, I think they are pretty much in though a loss at Illinois State may make for some sweating when Selection Sunday comes. I assume you mean the one score loss at the Fargodome is the "bad loss" or would it be to the Redbirds?

I meant the redbirds, but I couldn't remember who SIU or UNI played this weekend.

PS-I meant 7-3 vs DIV I. and I did mean nearly a lock. But I think anyone with <8 DIV I wins isn't automatic this year. The UNI win really helps but SDSU&WIU may need 7 DIV I wins themselves to be standout wins.

[nmatsen]

I beg of you, remove the 2008 from your conference champions list. Unless SIU loses to ISU (red) we ARE NOT CHAMPIONS! Unless you get the auto bid you shouldn't claim championships, sure it looks nice to add another year, but when we stick to our guns and only count the ones we WIN (instead of every time you tie with three other teams like YSU) it makes the years we do have listed look that much more impressive.

[clenz]

I beg of you, remove the 2008 from your conference champions list. Unless SIU loses to ISU (red) we ARE NOT CHAMPIONS! Unless you get the auto bid you shouldn't claim championships, sure it looks nice to add another year, but when we stick to our guns and only count the ones we WIN (instead of every time you tie with three other teams like YSU) it makes the years we do have listed look that much more impressive.We did win a share of the conference. Tell to any school that has shared a conference title to strike all of their records that they don't have outright...you'll get laughed out of the state.

[nmatsen]

That schools fans would laugh, not their coaches / players. Its about a comptetive nature, talk about laughing, remember when Iowa State was "Big XII North Champions", do you really believe that they deserved to be called champions after choking down their leg against Missouri that year, listen there shouldn't be co-champs, there should be just one, one trophy, one auto-bid, one winner. This is just another indicator of the "hugs and juiceboxes" society that we live in. Were the Patriots the "Co-Super Bowl Champions" last year? No, they weren't, because they got BEAT BY THE CHAMPIONS! Much like UNI did this year.

[joecooll6]

I like your logic about Iowa State, but the Patriots thing was kind of dumb.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Yup our society now is all 'Hugs and Juiceboxes'

Lets go back to the old days when no one used to share championships. Wait that never happened. They have been sharing championships since conferences started. Give me a break. I know the coaches and the players are talking about being the first back-to-back conference champions under Farley.

And let me ask you who is the conference champions in basketball if one team wins the regular season, but the other team wins the conference tournament?

We were the first Gateway champions, the last Gateway champions, and now the first MVC football Champions and you should be proud of that and quit trying to take things away from the team you supposedly like.

[appfan2008]

I think judging by how shallow the at large pool seems to be a siu team that losses next week and finishes 8-3 will be in...

[Killsback]

But how about a 9-2 SIU team with a road load loss at NDSU and a road loss at Northwestern as a number 4 seed?

[UNIFanSince1983]

I think it is possible, but I think teams like Montana, Weber, Villanova, and possibly Cal Poly (with a win at Wisconsin) have a better shot at a seed than either of the MVC teams.

[Killsback]

Probably right, but I still think the MVFC in its worst years is still worthy of a top 4 seed for the auto bid. We get looked down because we have some bad bottom feeders, but I still believe that UNI and SIU are worthy.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Oh I completely agree.

[JayJ79]

I beg of you, remove the 2008 from your conference champions list. Unless SIU loses to ISU (red) we ARE NOT CHAMPIONS! Unless you get the auto bid you shouldn't claim championships, sure it looks nice to add another year, but when we stick to our guns and only count the ones we WIN (instead of every time you tie with three other teams like YSU) it makes the years we do have listed look that much more impressive.

Are you calling Coach Farley a liar? :p

[ValleyChamp]

That schools fans would laugh, not their coaches / players. Its about a comptetive nature, talk about laughing, remember when Iowa State was "Big XII North Champions", do you really believe that they deserved to be called champions after choking down their leg against Missouri that year, listen there shouldn't be co-champs, there should be just one, one trophy, one auto-bid, one winner. This is just another indicator of the "hugs and juiceboxes" society that we live in. Were the Patriots the "Co-Super Bowl Champions" last year? No, they weren't, because they got BEAT BY THE CHAMPIONS! Much like UNI did this year.

Ok, but we whipped NDSU, while SIU got beat by them. Therefore, we are the lone champs. Right? What is the difference?

[Killsback]

The difference is we beat UNI head to head....

[ValleyChamp]

The difference is we beat UNI head to head....

True, which is a perfect way to decide who gets the autobid. BUT, I don't think you can have non-shared titles without a conference championship game. That is my point.

[achrist70]

How lucky was SIU to have UNI, SDSU, and WIU at home this year?

[joecooll6]

How lucky was SIU to have UNI, SDSU, and WIU at home this year?

They got a very favorable schedule, kind of like we did last year.

As far as the co-champs thing, I think that there's something to be said about shared titles when both teams played a full round robin. Both UNI and SIU played the exact same schedule, both went 7-1 with that schedule assuming SIU wins next week, I think that means they both equally earned the right to call themselves co-champs.

Maybe SIU can call themselves MVC Champs, while UNI can only call themselves co-champs. Kind of reminds me of an episode of Scrubs.

[Houndawg]

How lucky was SIU to have UNI, SDSU, and WIU at home this year?

Luckier than usual when you add in the collapse of YSU who we had on the road. xnodx

Hey. We'll take it. Beats the hell out of finishing fifth like we were supposed to do.:D

[JayJ79]

They got a very favorable schedule, kind of like we did last year.

As far as the co-champs thing, I think that there's something to be said about shared titles when both teams played a full round robin. Both UNI and SIU played the exact same schedule, both went 7-1 with that schedule assuming SIU wins next week, I think that means they both equally earned the right to call themselves co-champs.

Maybe SIU can call themselves MVC Champs, while UNI can only call themselves co-champs. Kind of reminds me of an episode of Scrubs.


The MVFC conference manual (http://www.mvc.org/manual/football.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=7600) designates co-champs:

4.1 Format. The conference champion shall be determined annually by the results of the round robin schedule.
4.2 Ties.
4.2.1 Co-Champions. In the event of a tie in the round robin results, co-champions shall be named.

[Saluki09]

The thing I don't like about our scheduling is we have to go to a dome every year now...and we haven't won in a dome since 1983.

[skinny_uncle]

How lucky was SIU to have UNI, SDSU, and WIU at home this year?
They get them all on the road next year. It balances out.

[UNI MadCat]

Are you calling Coach Farley a liar? :p

You assume he is actually reading and listening.

I've seen his rants for enough years to know that you dont confuse nmatsen with facts, his mind is already made up.

[skinny_uncle]

What is the big deal about whether a co-championship is a title? Going 7-1 in this league is quite an accomplishment. Both teams are champs regardless of the autobid. The league rules are quite clear on that.

[MplsBison]

No way is UNI a co champ.

SIU won it outright when they beat UNI on the field.

[Khan4Cats]

What is the big deal about whether a co-championship is a title? Going 7-1 in this league is quite an accomplishment. Both teams are champs regardless of the autobid. The league rules are quite clear on that.

A lot of it comes back on UNI fans who have given a particular team from Ohio a hard time over the last few years because they claim co-championships without actually winning one outright. Those comments are coming back on them now. Though, to their credit, there are some that are maintaining their position, even if it means less "prestige" for UNI.

Either way, I will be happy to see another year added to the play-offs list on the north wall of the UNI-Dome.

[PurpleandGold]

If those are the MVFC rules, then they can technically call themselves co-champs. I may be wrong, but in the CAA, head-to-head is a tiebreaker. I think we only have co-champs when the tying teams don't play, such as Richmond and UMASS last year, or when there's a three way tie and all 3 lost to one of the others, as would have been the case had W&M beaten JMU last weekend.

MVFC rules are MVFC rules, but personally I wouldn't be as proud of a co-champs banner knowing we lost to the other co-champ.

As for basketball, the regular season champ just means that you have a leg up in the championship, nothing more. If you lose in the playoffs, you are not the champion. Otherwise, why bother with the championship.

[Big Al]

No way is UNI a co champ.

SIU won it outright when they beat UNI on the field.

Except for the part where it defines the champion (or co-champ) in the MVFC bylaws.

[nmatsen]

If those are the MVFC rules, then they can technically call themselves co-champs. I may be wrong, but in the CAA, head-to-head is a tiebreaker. I think we only have co-champs when the tying teams don't play, such as Richmond and UMASS last year, or when there's a three way tie and all 3 lost to one of the others, as would have been the case had W&M beaten JMU last weekend.

MVFC rules are MVFC rules, but personally I wouldn't be as proud of a co-champs banner knowing we lost to the other co-champ.

As for basketball, the regular season champ just means that you have a leg up in the championship, nothing more. If you lose in the playoffs, you are not the champion. Otherwise, why bother with the championship.

Well, at least someone doesn't think I am an idiot?

MadCat, whats the deal? Have I don't something to deserve an attack from you?

[JayJ79]

I may be wrong, but in the CAA, head-to-head is a tiebreaker. I think we only have co-champs when the tying teams don't play, such as Richmond and UMASS last year, or when there's a three way tie and all 3 lost to one of the others, as would have been the case had W&M beaten JMU last weekend.

CAA procedures (http://www.caasports.com/fls/8500/supportfiles/Handbook/FB/08CAA_FOOTBALL_HANDBOOK_web.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=8500) don't specify it quite as clearly as the MVFC procedures. But they do seem to recognize co-champs

ARTICLE IX - CHAMPIONSHIP AWARDS AND CITATIONS
9.01 A trophy will be presented to the Conference champion. If there is a tie for the championship, two trophies shall be presented. A trophy will also be presented to the division winners including any ties.

Of course, they list tiebreakers for the determination of the Automatic Qualifier, just like the MVFC. But that is a seperate distinction from "conference champion"

[Pantherpower]

No way is UNI a co champ.

SIU won it outright when they beat UNI on the field.

They haven't won anything, yet. In fact, I think we'll be talking about the Panthers as the outright champs and number four seed come this time next week.

[clenz]

Well from the looks of our Conference title wall in the dome 2008 is listed on it....

Take that FWIW

[stevdock]

How lucky was SIU to have UNI, SDSU, and WIU at home this year?

SDSU will have that type of schedule next year with UNI, SIU, and NDSU all at home. Will be interesting to see what type of team they have for that schedule next year.

[Houndawg]

SDSU will have that type of schedule next year with UNI, SIU, and NDSU all at home. Will be interesting to see what type of team they have for that schedule next year.

Wonder what YSU will have next year?

[Chi Panther]

SDSU will have that type of schedule next year with UNI, SIU, and NDSU all at home. Will be interesting to see what type of team they have for that schedule next year.

No Berry and Harris.

That has to be music to our ears....xwhistlex

[SiouxFallsJack]

No Berry and Harris.

That has to be music to our ears....xwhistlex


Harris will be missed but I'm more worried about replacing Berry.

[Houndawg]

SDSU will have that type of schedule next year with UNI, SIU, and NDSU all at home. Will be interesting to see what type of team they have for that schedule next year.

SIU loses 5 of their first 22 on offense, 4 of their first 22 on defense.:D

[jackmd]

Harris will be missed but I'm more worried about replacing Berry.

Definitely, good news is we have 2 very good young RB's and more waiting in the wings. If we can solidify the O-line one of our many prospects at QB will step-up and begin to fill a very large void being left by Berry's departure.

[Khan4Cats]

SIU loses 5 of their first 22 on offense, 4 of their first 22 on defense.:D

We were a little worried after last year when we lost Sanders and the entire offensive line. We've been fine and will continue to be.

Of course, North Dakota State had almost their entire team back as well this year.