If Lafayette wins out, and Holy Cross beats Colgate.....

[KawKaw]

Who does the patriot league send?

[Franks Tanks]

Who does the patriot league send?

Great question--we dont know. The teams will share the PL title, but there is no firm tie breaker procedure for the auto-bid. If this scenario plays out, big if, I would think it would be Lafayette. At 9-2 they will have the best record and will have a higher Sagarin then the other two. Below is the current Sagarin , and Lafayette already has a higher rating. Of course this wont mean squat unless Lafayette can win out and Holy Cross takes out Colgate.

144 Lafayette
150 Colgate
152 Holy Cross

[KawKaw]

ok, what do we have on our hands if somehow Penn gets the job done against havard...We beat a Penn team who has played well this year. Also, WHAT IF liberty does the damage to Elon, giving us 2 legit wins over a potential ivy champ and the big south champ? Do we get a shot at the at-large barring we go 9-2?

[Franks Tanks]

ok, what do we have on our hands if somehow Penn gets the job done against havard...We beat a Penn team who has played well this year. Also, WHAT IF liberty does the damage to Elon, giving us 2 legit wins over a potential ivy champ and the big south champ? Do we get a shot at the at-large barring we go 9-2?

I assume you speak of a scanario where we win out, but Colgate beats Holy Cross. If we lose we are done. I would say we have a STRONG case at 9-2, but an at large would still be a big uncertainty. We did get an at large bid in 2005 with a similar resume and an 8-3 record, but the PL was winning playoff games a few years ago and carried a little more weight. Also with all those good CAA teams this year they may snatch up an at large that in years past went to a second PL team. Look at the Sagarin ranking thread a lot of CAA teams are ranked very high, Now some of the teams will surely be playing each other in the last few weeks but the CAA will get quite a few bids.

[Franks Tanks]

Your win over the Ivy champ means nothing.

Ok-- it means that we beat a team that may be Ivy champs. xrolleyesx

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Patriot League Tie-Breaking Procedure For The NCAA Automatic Qualifier


In the case of ties in the final standings for regular-season League play, the following process will be used until all ties are broken and the seeding process is completed (ties will be broken in rank order beginning with the highest seed):

1. Head-to-head competition - the higher seed will go to the team that has won the most League contests played against the other team(s) involved in the tie.

2. If a tie still exists, a comparison of records will be made between the tied institutions starting at the highest possible seed and continuing through the lowest seed, if necessary.

3. Sport-specific tie-breaking procedure.

a. A comparison of records against common out-of-League opponents will be made.

b. If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletic directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision considering each of the folowing, in no particular order:

- strength of schedule
- overall record
- computer rankings

The committee will meet immediately following the conclusion of the final game of the season's final weekend. A three-fourths vote of the members of the committee will be needed to determine the champion.

5. Coin flip (two teams) or draw (multiple teams).The good old coin flip!

GPI before yesterday:
29. Lafayette (28.88)
34T. Colgate (30.25)
37. Holy Cross (32.38)

Massey SOS (schedule played-full):
Colgate 68-67
Holy Cross 71-65
Lafayette 79-79

[carney2]

Patriot League Tie-Breaking Procedure For The NCAA Automatic Qualifier


In the case of ties in the final standings for regular-season League play, the following process will be used until all ties are broken and the seeding process is completed (ties will be broken in rank order beginning with the highest seed):

1. Head-to-head competition - the higher seed will go to the team that has won the most League contests played against the other team(s) involved in the tie.

2. If a tie still exists, a comparison of records will be made between the tied institutions starting at the highest possible seed and continuing through the lowest seed, if necessary.

3. Sport-specific tie-breaking procedure.

a. A comparison of records against common out-of-League opponents will be made.

b. If a tie still exists, a committee consisting of the athletic directors of each of the institutions not involved in the tie will make a final decision considering each of the folowing, in no particular order:

- strength of schedule
- overall record
- computer rankings

The committee will meet immediately following the conclusion of the final game of the season's final weekend. A three-fourths vote of the members of the committee will be needed to determine the champion.

5. Coin flip (two teams) or draw (multiple teams).

I understand everything except number 2 (shown in bold). "A comparison of records" would seem to indicate that the team with the best overall record gets the bid, but then we go into that "highest possible seed" stuff. Can someone please unravel this moronic legalese for me.

[LeopardFan04]

I understand everything except number 2 (shown in bold). "A comparison of records" would seem to indicate that the team with the best overall record gets the bid, but then we go into that "highest possible seed" stuff. Can someone please unravel this moronic legalese for me.


Basically, you compare how the tied teams all did against the best team in the league not in the tie, in this case the 4th place team, and then work your way down. It's kind of pointless for football though since most ties (including this one) would involve teams that were all 1-1 against each other and beat every one else.

It's able to be used more often in basketball since you could have 2 teams tie and split in the regular season. Then their records against other conference opponents would be compared starting with the best team not in the tie. For instance, if 2 teams tied for first in basketball and had split, and one had gone 2-0 against the 3rd place team and one had gone 1-1, the team that went 2-0 would get the better seed in the conference tourney.

Hope this helps.