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bodoyle
November 11th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Interesting article from www.uhnd.com (unofficial home of Notre Dame)

Pop quiz: name the mascot for the following universities: Nicholls State, Sam Houston State, Appalachian State, The Citadel, and Northwestern State? You know why you probably can’t? Because these Division I-AA schools do not play Division I-A football. Frankly, you “shouldn’t” know their nicknames unless you went there, are a fan, or are phenomenal at sports trivia. Unfortunately, these days, far too many Division I-A schools know exactly who these teams are. They just happen to be the most scheduled Division I-AA teams in 2005. Each D-I-AA university I mentioned is playing not one, but two games against Division I-A opponents this season--largely, if not exclusively, on the road.

In light of this phenomenon of Division I-A teams playing host to Division I-AA cupcakes, it strikes me as odd how so many college football fans seem to think it justified to be critical of the “soft” schedule Notre Dame is playing this year. Granted, what seemed like a grueling slate in the pre-season has become less impressive as teams such as Purdue, Tennessee, Michigan State, and Pitt have fallen off a cliff.

Still, while the 2005 run might end up being more of a 10K than a marathon, some of these fans are being a wee bit hypocritical. Of the current top 25 BCS teams, seven have played a Division I-AA team this year, and many others have scheduled Mid-Major bottom feeders. Texas Tech, the worst offender, has played two I-AA teams, and a third opponent, Florida International, jumped to I-A this season. But, our schedule is weak because a few of the teams we scheduled have slid.

Uh, okay.

By the way, here’s a list of the current Top 25 teams in the BCS, and the Division I-AA teams they have “faced.”

#7 LSU-Appalachian State
#10 Oregon-Montana
#12 Texas Tech-Indiana State, Sam Houston State
#14 West Virginia-Wofford
#19 Florida State-The Citadel
#20 Auburn-Western Kentucky
#22 Fresno State-Weber State

You’ll notice two of these teams, LSU and Oregon, are ranked ahead of the Irish (we are currently ranked #11). Subtract their Division I-AA wins, and Notre Dame is currently sitting at #9, and waiting to climb even higher. Since these wins count, though, the Tigers and Ducks are able to say that playing Appalachian State or Montana is the same as playing, say, Syracuse--the weakest team on ND’s slate.

Clearly, this is not the case.

Now, seven out of twenty-five does not seem like a huge number, but consider that it is, as a percentage, just a hair under one third (actually, 28%). These are not struggling programs like Temple, Buffalo, Florida International, or Arkansas State trying to get some wins (still no excuse in my book). These are the upper tier of teams in college football, folks. And, still, a team such as LSU “only” beats Appalachian State, 24-0.

How jacked must the Tiger players have been to battle the Mountaineers (not to be confused with the West Virginia Mountaineers)?

And, that’s just the Top 25 teams in the BCS. Take a look at the rest of these riot-inducing match-ups:

Alabama-Birmingham-Jacksonville State
Arizona-Northern Arizona
Arkansas State-Tennessee-Martin
Arkansas-Missouri State
Army-University of Massachusetts
Baylor-Samford
Boise State-Portland State
BYU-Eastern Illinois
California-Sacramento State
Connecticut-Western Carolina
Duke-Virginia Military Institute
Florida International-Western Kentucky, Florida A&M
Houston-Sam Houston State
Indiana-Nicholls State
Iowa State-Illinois State
Iowa-Northern Iowa
Kansas-Appalachian State
Kent State-Southeast Missouri State
Kentucky-Idaho State
Louisiana-Lafayette-Northwestern State
Louisiana-Monroe-Northwestern State
Marshall-William & Mary
Memphis-University of Tennessee-Chattanooga
Mississippi State-Murray State
Mississippi-The Citadel
Nebraska-Maine
North Carolina State-Eastern Kentucky
Northern Illinois-Tennessee Tech
Oklahoma State-Montana State
Oregon State-Portland State
Pittsburgh-Youngstown State
Rutgers-Villanova
San Jose State-Eastern Washington
South Florida-Florida A&M
Southern Mississippi-McNeese State
Stanford-U.C. Davis
Texas A&M-Texas State
Toledo-Western Illinois
Troy-Cal Poly
Tulane-Southeastern Louisiana
Utah State-Nicholls State
UTEP-Texas Southern
Vanderbilt-Richmond
Washington State-Grambling
Western Michigan-Southern Illinois

(Here is the breakdown of BCS and Mid-Major conferences, and Independents, as a percentage, “squaring off” against I-AA foes):

BCS 46%
M-M 42%
IND. 25%

Is this an epidemic? Some might say so. But, to me, it’s not quite that serious. In fact, if you can see the humor in it, it is a very hilarious joke.

The BCS made a huge mistake in my opinion when they changed the rule that would not count wins against I-AA teams as I-A victories. And, rightly so. Teams “playing down” and scheduling I-AA teams are essentially setting up glorified scrimmages. In my mind, if I-A schools would like to play these contests, more power to them, but they should not count toward BCS wins. Why? Many reasons, but the most important is that there are supposed to be 119 teams trying to prove they are deserving of playing in a national title game. Considering 67 teams choose not to schedule these gimmes, it’s both pathetic and unfair.

There must be a standard. And, that standard should be: play teams only on one level, your own.

Now dissenters might point to Rutgers’ loss to New Hampshire or Mississippi State’s loss to Maine last year (or Stanford’s loss to U.C. Davis this year) as evidence that these contests are worthy of distinction. I disagree. These kinds of triumphs by D-I-AA teams are very rare, and typically occur against BCS conference bottom feeders having an atrocious day. They are not beating the top teams.

When was the last time a Division I-AA school beat a top 25 team? A top 50 team?

Division I-A teams “playing down” also takes money away from struggling Division I-A schools and conferences who need every penny they can get to upgrade facilities for all their athletic programs--not just football. Some would also argue that these games are great for the Division I-AA teams, and they certainly are. But, shouldn’t the needs of Division I-A schools, come first?

I think so.

Parity could also be a reason a lot of Division I-A schools are shying away from playing “weaker” Division I-A teams. Match-ups against most MAC, Mountain West, WAC, and Sun Belt teams have ceased to be “guaranteed” wins for lower and mid-level schools from BCS conferences. How many times have we seen a Division I-A BCS conference school cancel a game against a “scary” Mid-Major program and schedule, say, a Western Illinois (are you listening Nebraska?)?

To be fair, many I-A teams have always scheduled these match-ups. What is interesting, though, is how they seemed to largely disappear when the BCS determined they did not count.

Some might also argue that there is a benefit to playing I-AA teams because they typically result in a timely blow out that allows coaches to play their reserves. But, are the game reps your second and third string players getting against these teams really that valuable? Meaningful? I’m not so sure. Certainly there is this notion that your team is working the “kinks out.” But, sometimes playing down results in sloppy performance, and can be counter productive, particularly when these games are later in the season, as opposed to an opener. One need look no further than the Stanford-U.C. Davis match-up this season for evidence. What benefit did the Cardinal really receive from playing, and losing to the Aggies (yes, that is U.C. Davis’s nick name)? I would argue none, save the motivation derived from the embarrassment.

What’s next, teams like Stanford and Nebraska lining up Division II teams?

In closing, it is simply not fair for the BCS to count a Division I-AA win as a “win.” These are nothing more than sanctioned pre-season games. And it needs to end. With the NCAA allowing 12 games in the future, it is bound to only get worse unless something is done.

Perhaps college football fans have every right to criticize Notre Dame’s schedule and label it, in hindsight, as softer than anticipated. But, I can think of about 52 teams whose fans should just keep their trap shut about Notre Dame’s slate. Or, at least, wait until we schedule the Maine Black Bears before they start complaining.

That’s right, the Black Bears. Of Maine.

You can ask 5-4 Nebraska for the scouting report. The Cornhuskers were able to tough out a 25-7 victory over them back in September.

colgate13
November 11th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Couldn't help but email him:


Todd -

I got a newsflash for you: Montana and Appalachian State beat Syracuse this year if they are playing them. Think I'm crazy? Jeff Sagarin agrees. SU is rated 119 in Division I. Appalachian State is ranked 84 and Montana is ranked 88. Why don't you ask LSU or Oregon how easy they were? In fact, 18 teams rank higher on Sagarin than Syracuse.

Your biggest mistake is thinking that just because you've never heard of them, there are not I-AA teams capable of playing good football. Will they ever beat a Top 25 BCS team? Very unlikely. But the top of I-AA is on par or better than the bottom of I-A. That's why the BCS allows these games.

*****
November 11th, 2005, 03:12 PM
Ignorant.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
November 11th, 2005, 03:14 PM
I got a newsflash for him: Montana or App. State beats Syracuse this year.

I think either of those team could finish in the top half of the Big Least this year. West Virginia would stomp any Top 10 1-AA team, so would Louisville but i think a lot of good 1-AA teams could possibly pull an upset or atleast challenge Rutgers, USF and Pitt and probably beat everyone else.

Ivytalk
November 11th, 2005, 03:16 PM
What a jackazz. One more reason for me to hate ND -- as if I needed any!

dbackjon
November 11th, 2005, 03:16 PM
And in most years, one of Notre Dame's yearly opponents, Navy, would be hard-pressed to finish in the top half of most I-AA scholarship leagues.

UMclassof2002
November 11th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Montana would've won the B12 North last year. Just sayin'.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
November 11th, 2005, 03:20 PM
And in most years, one of Notre Dame's yearly opponents, Navy, would be hard-pressed to finish in the top half of most I-AA scholarship leagues.

I dunno about that. While Navy isn't world beaters they've been a lot better than Army the last decade. Navy really only "sucked" in '00, '01 and '02, other than that they were average to maybe a little better than that.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
November 11th, 2005, 03:23 PM
Montana would've won the B12 North last year. Just sayin'.

I'd still take Colorado. Plus you have to consider you would be getting pounded on by Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech from the south as well. Montana might have pulled an upset in a one game set up over K-State or someone like that. Kansas beat App State 38-6.

BlueHen98
November 11th, 2005, 03:25 PM
All he's arguing is that I-A schools shouldn't get credit for wins against I-AA schools.

So I assume all of you support the NCAA committee counting Division II wins for I-AA schools?

NoCoDanny
November 11th, 2005, 03:29 PM
Montana would've won the B12 North last year. Just sayin'.

Move up and play them. Easy to say when you don't have the onions to move up.

UMclassof2002
November 11th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Move up and play them. Easy to say when you don't have the onions to move up.



God, another chiuhuaha yipping and nipping at Daddy's pant leg.


Sac State and NAU are thrilled you are aboard.

grizband
November 11th, 2005, 03:49 PM
I don't think this guy meant to bas I-AA (which he obviously did), as much as he meant to retort against all of the schools who aren't impressed by Notre Dame because the "haven't beaten anyone;" when in fact most top notch I-AA teams schedule a lower level I-A team just to meet the required wins for bowl eligibility. However, this said, I still don't like the trashing he gave I-AA. The top 5 teams in I-AA in any given year could compete with the bottom third of I-AA. I'll take a Montana vs. insert sunbelt team here matchup anyday.

BigApp
November 11th, 2005, 05:23 PM
When was the last time a Division I-AA school beat a top 25 team?

I don't know, but one day it WILL happen. And I wanna be there when it does! :D

Cocky
November 11th, 2005, 05:35 PM
All he's arguing is that I-A schools shouldn't get credit for wins against I-AA schools.

So I assume all of you support the NCAA committee counting Division II wins for I-AA schools?

DII wins to me are as good as some I-AA wins.

My thought are BCS countable wins should be against BCS conference teams. Playoff I-AA countable wins should be against playoff participating conference teams.

Tod
November 11th, 2005, 05:42 PM
DII wins to me are as good as some I-AA wins.

My thought are BCS countable wins should be against BCS conference teams. Playoff I-AA countable wins should be against playoff participating conference teams.

Who will the Ivy and SWAC play OOC? You can bet the Patriot would stop having so many OOC games with the Ivy.

Cocky
November 11th, 2005, 06:13 PM
Who will the Ivy and SWAC play OOC? You can bet the Patriot would stop having so many OOC games with the Ivy.

Might get the Ivy and SWAC to accept a bid. If they don't want to play with us in the playoffs their games shouldn't count toward the playoffs.

Tod
November 11th, 2005, 06:33 PM
Might get the Ivy and SWAC to accept a bid. If they don't want to play with us in the playoffs their games shouldn't count toward the playoffs.

OK, I can dig blackmail if it gets them into the playoffs. :nod: :nod: :nod:

Cocky
November 11th, 2005, 06:53 PM
OK, I can dig blackmail if it gets them into the playoffs. :nod: :nod: :nod:

That's a nice way to put it

blukeys
November 11th, 2005, 08:19 PM
I don't think this guy meant to bas I-AA (which he obviously did), as much as he meant to retort against all of the schools who aren't impressed by Notre Dame because the "haven't beaten anyone;" when in fact most top notch I-AA teams schedule a lower level I-A team just to meet the required wins for bowl eligibility. However, this said, I still don't like the trashing he gave I-AA. The top 5 teams in I-AA in any given year could compete with the bottom third of I-AA. I'll take a Montana vs. insert sunbelt team here matchup anyday.

Agree with you the writer's real intent was to deal with the folks attacking the Notre Dame schedule. I'm not sure why he then attacked all of I-AA in the process. He could have made his point with a team by team comparison. I have no problem with upper level I-AA teams being compared to Sunbelt or MAC teams.

MR. CHICKEN
November 11th, 2005, 09:20 PM
I think either of those team could finish in the top half of the Big Least this year. West Virginia would stomp any Top 10 1-AA team, so would Louisville but i think a lot of good 1-AA teams could possibly pull an upset or atleast challenge Rutgers, USF and Pitt and probably beat everyone else.

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