NHL....

[AppGuy04]

Any hockey fans out there?

My Canes are actually leading their conference and the city is abuzz, especially around the RBC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/powerranking

[89Hen]

Absolutely! Played hockey since I was 4. Flyers and I were born the same year and I'm a diehard fan. Last year, I didn't realize how much I missed it until I started watching again this year.

[AppGuy04]

Absolutely! Played hockey since I was 4. Flyers and I were born the same year and I'm a diehard fan. Last year, I didn't realize how much I missed it until I started watching again this year.

hell yeah, I have loved the high scoring games this year, especially the game we had with you guys (Flyers), that 8-6 game, that was crazy, back and forth

[LacesOut]

No, not really.

I'll watch the playoffs a little though. But just a little. Like if the series is a deciding game.

[89Hen]

hell yeah, I have loved the high scoring games this year, especially the game we had with you guys (Flyers), that 8-6 game, that was crazy, back and forth
My brother in Raleigh went to that game, said it was great.

[AppGuy04]

My brother in Raleigh went to that game, said it was great.

just glad we won, would have been heartbreaking to score that much and lose

but thats the nature of the NHL these days, I love it

I mean, Ottawa scoring 10 goals! :eek:

[89Hen]

but thats the nature of the NHL these days, I love it
You wouldn't love it if you were on the receiving end. Watched the Flyers beat the crap out of the Capitals the other night... 8-1. Ugly. :(

[AppGuy04]

You wouldn't love it if you were on the receiving end. Watched the Flyers beat the crap out of the Capitals the other night... 8-1. Ugly. :(

u mean the Crapitals?

Ovechkin is exciting though

[griz37]

My NY Islanders are in last place :mad: I also root for the Maple Leafs once playoff time rolls around.

[Killtoppers90]

My Thrashers actually posted a SHUTOUT last night against the Pens! Mike Dunham was on the top of his game and was standing on his head to block shots. It was a beautiful sight!!

[TheValleyRaider]

My NY Islanders are in last place :mad: I also root for the Maple Leafs once playoff time rolls around.

Here comes mediocrity again... :( (at least, I really hope not)

BTW, after that playoff series a couple of years ago, how could you, as an Isles fan, possibly root for Toronto? :confused:

[blur2005]

I'm actually a Bruins fan (yes I know that's odd considering where I'm from). I wish I got OLN because I miss watching hockey. I guess I'll have to wait for the spring, when NBC will televise some. Damn ESPN for not having faith in hockey to come back strong. The new rules are working well, though, considering Ottawa is averaging 4.8 goals a game.

[AppGuy04]

against the Pens!

that alone should disqualify it from being a shutout

[Gil Dobie]

I am a Black Hawk fan from way back. Live in Minnesota, so I have had Wild Season tickets in the past. Once College Football is done, I will be watching more. The biggest hockey event here is the state High School tourney.

[89Hen]

Ovechkin is exciting though
I've only gotten to a pre-season game this year so far, but he had three goals and assisted on the other in a 4-3 win. He IS the real deal. :nod:

[Ivytalk]

I am a Black Hawk fan from way back. Live in Minnesota, so I have had Wild Season tickets in the past. Once College Football is done, I will be watching more. The biggest hockey event here is the state High School tourney.

Does NDSU have Division I hockey? I know that the Fighting Sues are often nationally ranked.

[AppGuy04]

I've only gotten to a pre-season game this year so far, but he had three goals and assisted on the other in a 4-3 win. He IS the real deal. :nod:

maybe its because he is on a crappy team, but Crosby hasn't impressed me that much

Ovechkin and Staal are better IMO

[griz37]

Here comes mediocrity again... :( (at least, I really hope not)

BTW, after that playoff series a couple of years ago, how could you, as an Isles fan, possibly root for Toronto? :confused:

I have to root for somebody all those years the Isles don't make the post season. One of my favorite sports memories is game 7 against the Capitals, night before Easter, in '87(?). The game went like 3OTs & my mom told me if I didn't go to bed the Easater bunny wouldn't come. I didn't care because my boys finally won.

[Gil Dobie]

Does NDSU have Division I hockey? I know that the Fighting Sues are often nationally ranked.

They have a club hockey team with aspirations of someday having a DI team. A new arena was voted down by the city a few years back. If that had been approved, the next step would have been a varsity team. Since that failed, NDSU took the DI, I-AA direction with football. We hear about UND all the time, it's a good deal for them.

[89Hen]

One of my favorite sports memories is game 7 against the Capitals, night before Easter, in '87(?). The game went like 3OTs & my mom told me if I didn't go to bed the Easater bunny wouldn't come. I didn't care because my boys finally won.
I watched that whole game as well as the 5 OT Flyers/Pens game. The Lafontaine goal was so disappointing because it was such an innocent looking shot.

[blur2005]

I watched that whole game as well as the 5 OT Flyers/Pens game. The Lafontaine goal was so disappointing because it was such an innocent looking shot.
I watched most of that game, and definitely all five overtimes. Those kind of games are what make the NHL so incredible in my opinion. The tension and nervousness on every shot, knowing the next goal could potentially propel your team to the next round. I love hockey overtime.

Does anyone know if they'll have shootouts in the playoffs? I hope not. It works alright in the regular season, but I think that would ruin the playoffs.

[TheValleyRaider]

Does anyone know if they'll have shootouts in the playoffs? I hope not. It works alright in the regular season, but I think that would ruin the playoffs.

Nope. Playoffs will still be Sudden Death OT over and over again until one of the goalies blinks. Best postseason of any professional sport.

[bulldog10jw]

Another NY Islanders fan. Hard to believe the first of those 4 Stanley Cups was 25 years ago. Luckily, since they are so mediocre now, I can watch my "Pride of the Island" video tape and re-live those days.

[89Hen]

Another NY Islanders fan. Hard to believe the first of those 4 Stanley Cups was 25 years ago.
How about 30 for the Flyers. :(

[Gil Dobie]

How about 30 for the Flyers. :(

How about 45 for the Black Hawks :(

[89Hen]

How about 45 for the Black Hawks :(
True. The Hawks now have the longest drought in the NHL? What's really depressing is that the Lightning, Devils, Pens, Avs, Stars.... all have more recent Cups. I don't mind the Canadians or Red Wings winning so much, but all these newer teams. :(

They Flyers have lost five finals since last winning. Lost to Montreal, Islanders, Edmonton, Edmonton, Wings. Hockey is really amazing in that how few teams won the Cup in the 70's and 80's. Yes, many teams were still new, but in that 20 period you only had....

Flames - 1 (1989)
Boston - 2
Philly - 2
Isles - 4
Oilers - 4
Canadiens - 7

[bulldog10jw]

How about 30 for the Flyers. :(

I had always followed the Islanders starting with their expansion year mainly because they were local and I did not like the Rangers. I really became a big fan in '75 when the came back from 3-0 down to beat then Penguins and nearly did it again to the Flyers coming back from 3-0 down only to lose game 7. The Flyers even had to call out Kate Smith for that 7th game. That was, I believe the 2nd Cup year for the Flyers.

I also remember Clark Gillies just beating the piss out of Dave Schultz during that series.

[faxjusfax]

My NY Islanders are in last place :mad: I also root for the Maple Leafs once playoff time rolls around.

Let's Go Rangers !!!!!!!!!
Finally, a young and exciting team that's fun to watch, and Jagr is playing like the best player on the planet again.

btw, Quinn should be fired, and Domi sent to Sing Sing.

Oh by the way, Potvin STILL sucks!

[bulldog10jw]

Let's Go Rangers !!!!!!!!!


Oh by the way, Potvin STILL sucks!

and he still has 4 rings.

[89Hen]

I really became a big fan in '75 when the came back from 3-0 down to beat then Penguins and nearly did it again to the Flyers coming back from 3-0 down only to lose game 7. The Flyers even had to call out Kate Smith for that 7th game. That was, I believe the 2nd Cup year for the Flyers.
Then you should also be familiar with the offsides non-call in 1980 (on the list of the worst calls/non-calls in pro sports history). :bawling: I actually watched that game with an Islanders fan. That was a miraculous year for the Flyers and unfortunately one that doesn't get the press or recognition it deserved IMO... 35 straight games without a loss (25-0-10), a North American record for pro sports that still stands.

[bulldog10jw]

Then you should also be familiar with the offsides non-call in 1980 (on the list of the worst calls/non-calls in pro sports history). :bawling: I actually watched that game with an Islanders fan. That was a miraculous year for the Flyers and unfortunately one that doesn't get the press or recognition it deserved IMO... 35 straight games without a loss (25-0-10), a North American record for pro sports that still stands.

I do remember that call. I believe it was Duane Sutter who was offsides if I remember correctly. I don't think the Flyers GM at the time, was it Dan Snyder(?), ever got over it.

[89Hen]

I do remember that call. I believe it was Duane Sutter who was offsides if I remember correctly. I don't think the Flyers GM at the time, was it Dan Snyder(?), ever got over it.
He apparently gave the linesman an undressing after the game like none that had ever been seen before and much to his credit, the linesman took it like a man. :nod:

[Ivytalk]

I do remember that call. I believe it was Duane Sutter who was offsides if I remember correctly. I don't think the Flyers GM at the time, was it Dan Snyder(?), ever got over it.

It was Bob Nystrom who scored the goal. :mad:

[89Hen]

I do remember that call. I believe it was Duane Sutter who was offsides if I remember correctly.
Just looked it up, Sutter was the goal scorer on the play, Clark Gilles was offsides. I'd love (hate) to see a clip of that again.

[89Hen]

It was Bob Nystrom who scored the goal. :mad:
Nystrom scored the game winner in OT on a clean play.

[Ivytalk]

Nystrom scored the game winner in OT on a clean play.

Sorry, Hen. It's late, I'm old, and cocktail hour can't get here soon enough.

[bulldog10jw]

http://www.bobbynystrom.net/goal%20view%203.jpg

the shot heard round Long Island

I knew Sutter was involved in the disputed play somehow.

[blur2005]

And tonight the Hurricanes lose 9-0 to the Thrashers. I do like this new NHL and its craziness.

[89Hen]

Awful lot of late heroics for the Flyers as of late. :nod: Watched them beat the Bruins this week down 3-1 they scored twice in the closing minutes, the game tying goal with the goalie pulled and 30 seconds to go, and then won in OT. Then they won today with 3.2 seconds to go over the Panthers. 6 straight wins and 9 in a row at home. :D

[AppGuy04]

And tonight the Hurricanes lose 9-0 to the Thrashers. I do like this new NHL and its craziness.

after winning a bagillion straight, ughhhhhhhhhhh :mad:

[Georgia Griz]

The elite of the league reside in Detroit and Ottawa. That's my Finals prediction. Montreal and Philadelphia might give Ottawa a run for their money in the East, but no team in the West will beat the Red Wings. Seriously, who's going to take them down come playoff time? Los Angeles, Vancouver, Nashville? I don't think so. The best all-around player in the league has to be Dany Heatley. I hated to see the Thrashers trade him, but he would have been gone when his contract was up anyway. And we got good compensation in the form of Marion Hossa. That had to have been extremely embarrasing for the Canes at home the other night when they not only got torched for 9 goals, but got shut out by the Thrashers 4th-string netminder. :o The only thing more embarassing that I've witnessed this year is when the Thrashers had a 4-0 lead in the first 10 minutes of a game on the road against the lowly Penguins, and ended up getting clobbered by Pittsburgh. :mad:

[AppGuy04]

The elite of the league reside in Detroit and Ottawa. That's my Finals prediction. Montreal and Philadelphia might give Ottawa a run for their money in the East, but no team in the West will beat the Red Wings. Seriously, who's going to take them down come playoff time? Los Angeles, Vancouver, Nashville? I don't think so. The best all-around player in the league has to be Dany Heatley. I hated to see the Thrashers trade him, but he would have been gone when his contract was up anyway. And we got good compensation in the form of Marion Hossa. That had to have been extremely embarrasing for the Canes at home the other night when they not only got torched for 9 goals, but got shut out by the Thrashers 4th-string netminder. :o The only thing more embarassing that I've witnessed this year is when the Thrashers had a 4-0 lead in the first 10 minutes of a game on the road against the lowly Penguins, and ended up getting clobbered by Pittsburgh. :mad:

hey, don't rub it in, we are still in 1st place, so i'll take what we've done thus far

[89Hen]

The elite of the league reside in Detroit and Ottawa. That's my Finals prediction. Montreal and Philadelphia might give Ottawa a run for their money in the East, but no team in the West will beat the Red Wings.
Long season. Both the Flyers and Canes already beat Ottawa this year. They've only played a VERY limited number of teams...

Maple Leafs 3x
Sabres 3x
Bruins 2x
Lightning 2x
Canadiens 2x

Let's see how they do in the long run. Don't get me wrong, they're a very good team, but I'm not ready to give them the Eastern title just yet.

[AppGuy04]

We lose 9-0 on Saturday and then beat Ottawa last night

The Canes are weird, but good this year!!!! :D

[89Hen]

And go figure, the Lightning beat the Flyers to end 6 game streaks in opposite directions on Monday and then turn around and lose to the inept Caps last night. :confused:

[AppGuy04]

And go figure, the Lightning beat the Flyers to end 6 game streaks in opposite directions on Monday and then turn around and lose to the inept Caps last night. :confused:

wsn't that a shootout loss though? still get a point

[Killtoppers90]

And tonight the Hurricanes lose 9-0 to the Thrashers. I do like this new NHL and its craziness.

And it was the Canes first loss at home this season. I am proud of my guys here in the ATL! I think that the chemistry is finally in place for a decent season!!!!

[AppGuy04]

And it was the Canes first loss at home this season. I am proud of my guys here in the ATL! I think that the chemistry is finally in place for a decent season!!!!

its gonna be an interesting race, I think the Canes, Thrashers and Lightning all have the talent to win the division

[89Hen]

Long season. Both the Flyers and Canes already beat Ottawa this year. They've only played a VERY limited number of teams...

Maple Leafs 3x
Sabres 3x
Bruins 2x
Lightning 2x
Canadiens 2x

Let's see how they do in the long run. Don't get me wrong, they're a very good team, but I'm not ready to give them the Eastern title just yet.
Don't say I didn't tell you.... Carolina 2 - Ottawa 1. :nod:

[AppGuy04]

Don't say I didn't tell you.... Carolina 2 - Ottawa 1. :nod:

Gerber was night and day from the other night

Carolina has given Ottawa 2 of their 3 losses, GO CANES!

[89Hen]

Carolina has given Ottawa 2 of their 3 losses, GO CANES!
And the Flyers the other. :D Flyers/Pens on OLN tonight! :hurray:

[AppGuy04]

Canes win 5-1 over the Rangers, now tied atop the Eastern Conference w/ another surprising team, Montreal

the rest of the Southeast is sucking it up, no one has a winning record and Florida has lost 10 straight and are still in 3rd place

and I love how we are flying under the radar, same as the Stanley Cup season; Detroit and Ottawa are getting the pub for the Stanley Cup contenders

found this, pretty cool:http://www.blueglasssoftware.com/0506NHL.html

[89Hen]

Flyers/Pens on OLN tonight!
BTW, in case you missed it, great game on Wednesday night. Scoreless after two, Pens score two within a minute of each other early in the third to make it 2-0. Flyers then score two within about 1:30 of each other to tie it. Flyers dominate the OT, but Crosby scores on a breakaway with under a minute to go. Hooray for hockey. :nod:

[Georgia Griz]

hey, don't rub it in, we are still in 1st place, so i'll take what we've done thus far

I know, I know. I was just giving a little friendly ribbing to the in-conference rival. Congrats on the Canes progress thus far. :)

[Georgia Griz]

Long season. Both the Flyers and Canes already beat Ottawa this year. They've only played a VERY limited number of teams...

Maple Leafs 3x
Sabres 3x
Bruins 2x
Lightning 2x
Canadiens 2x

Let's see how they do in the long run. Don't get me wrong, they're a very good team, but I'm not ready to give them the Eastern title just yet.

You are right, they have only played a limited number of teams. But those teams have been some of the better franchises in the East. Heatley will pay huge dividends in the stretch-run, after the mid-season break. But, you are right, it is a long season. :)

[Georgia Griz]

And it was the Canes first loss at home this season. I am proud of my guys here in the ATL! I think that the chemistry is finally in place for a decent season!!!!

That's the thing. I think that the chemistry is lacking. We finally get the personnel AND coaching, and we seem to be stumbling. My Thrash are breaking my heart in this first quarter of the season. :(

[Georgia Griz]

its gonna be an interesting race, I think the Canes, Thrashers and Lightning all have the talent to win the division

I think that the Thrashers do have the talent, but their slow start and probably what will be a late season fade, will bury them in 3rd or 4th in the division. The Thrash have always been weak on defense, and an injury to our top goaltender is killing us. :mad:

[AppGuy04]

Joe Thornton goes to Sharks for 3 players

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2242875

[AppGuy04]

anyone watch the Hurricanes game tonight?

they lost in a shootout 2-1, but the announcers were saying the 2nd Dallas goal should not have counted b/c the goalie knocked it in

is this a rule? they were saying that once the puck hits the goalies pads in a shootout, the puck is dead, anyone heard of this before?

[89Hen]

is this a rule? they were saying that once the puck hits the goalies pads in a shootout, the puck is dead, anyone heard of this before?
No frickin way is that true. What about a shot that goes through the five hole that glances a pad? Were these football or baseball announcers doing the game? :nonono2:

[AppGuy04]

No frickin way is that true. What about a shot that goes through the five hole that glances a pad? Were these football or baseball announcers doing the game? :nonono2:


well, they were essentially saying that it shouldn't be a goal b/c the goalie hit it in off the knob of his stick and that should technically be a "rebound"

[Georgia Griz]

anyone watch the Hurricanes game tonight?

they lost in a shootout 2-1, but the announcers were saying the 2nd Dallas goal should not have counted b/c the goalie knocked it in

is this a rule? they were saying that once the puck hits the goalies pads in a shootout, the puck is dead, anyone heard of this before?

I think that once the initial forward motion of the puck is stopped the play is dead. This rule was implemented in order to keep skaters from making plays on rebounds. The Carolina goalie had probably stopped the forward motion of the puck, hence the comments from the commentators.

[AppGuy04]

I think that once the initial forward motion of the puck is stopped the play is dead. This rule was implemented in order to keep skaters from making plays on rebounds. The Carolina goalie had probably stopped the forward motion of the puck, hence the comments from the commentators.

do they not review shooutout goals?, b/c the puck was obviously knocked in by the goalie's stick

[89Hen]

I think that once the initial forward motion of the puck is stopped the play is dead. This rule was implemented in order to keep skaters from making plays on rebounds. The Carolina goalie had probably stopped the forward motion of the puck, hence the comments from the commentators.
But that's not what happened here. You are correct that no rebound shots are allowed, but if the puck goes in the net once it leaves the shooters stick, it doesn't matter how it crosses the line as long as it doesn't touch the shooter again. The whole part of the rule of forward motion is for the skater. Did you happen to catch the SO goal that the Rangers scored that made Top 10 plays last week? The player put the puck and stick between his legs in kind of a drop pass to himself. Clearly, the puck was moving backward before he shot it.

[AppGuy04]

But that's not what happened here. You are correct that no rebound shots are allowed, but if the puck goes in the net once it leaves the shooters stick, it doesn't matter how it crosses the line as long as it doesn't touch the shooter again. The whole part of the rule of forward motion is for the skater. Did you happen to catch the SO goal that the Rangers scored that made Top 10 plays last week? The player put the puck and stick between his legs in kind of a drop pass to himself. Clearly, the puck was moving backward before he shot it.

so you are saying that even if the puck has stopped, the goalie can knock it in and thats legal? Just to clarify

[89Hen]

so you are saying that even if the puck has stopped, the goalie can knock it in and thats legal? Just to clarify
As far as I know, it's not over until the ref gives the safe sign. But as the shootout is new and I don't ever recall this being an issue with a penalty shot, I certainly could be incorrect.

[89Hen]

Here is Rule 30, section a with my emphasis on the pertinent info...

Any infraction of the rules which calls for a "PENALTY SHOT" shall be taken as follows:
The Referee shall ask to have announced over the public address system the name of the player designated by him or selected by the Team entitled to take the shot (as appropriate). He shall then place the puck on the center face-off spot and the player taking the shot will, on the instruction of the Referee, play the puck from there and shall attempt to score on the goalkeeper. The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line, the shot shall be considered complete.

Again, to me this means the puck kept in motion prior to the shooter actually shooting and once it is shot, there is no stipulation that the play is dead if the puck stops, only that there can be no rebound shot.

[AppGuy04]

Here is Rule 30, section a with my emphasis on the pertinent info...

Any infraction of the rules which calls for a "PENALTY SHOT" shall be taken as follows:
The Referee shall ask to have announced over the public address system the name of the player designated by him or selected by the Team entitled to take the shot (as appropriate). He shall then place the puck on the center face-off spot and the player taking the shot will, on the instruction of the Referee, play the puck from there and shall attempt to score on the goalkeeper. The puck must be kept in motion towards the opponent's goal line and once it is shot, the play shall be considered complete. No goal can be scored on a rebound of any kind (an exception being the puck off the goal post, then the goalkeeper and then directly into the goal), and any time the puck crosses the goal line, the shot shall be considered complete.

Again, to me this means the puck kept in motion prior to the shooter actually shooting and once it is shot, there is no stipulation that the play is dead if the puck stops, only that there can be no rebound shot.

well, if the puck stops and then the goalie hits it in, is that not technically a rebound?

[89Hen]

well, if the puck stops and then the goalie hits it in, is that not technically a rebound?
No. A rebound is shot by an opposing player, which reminds me of one of the all time great bumper stickers from when I was a kid...

"Jesus Save, but Espo scores on the rebound"

[89Hen]

well, if the puck stops and then the goalie hits it in, is that not technically a rebound?
No. A rebound is shot by an opposing player, which reminds me of one of the all time great bumper stickers from when I was a kid...

"Jesus Saves, but Espo scores on the rebound"