Hey Phillies Fans

[UNHWildCats]

How u like my purty new signature xcoolx

[mcveyrl]

How easily a soul is sold....xsmhx xsmhx xsmhx

[UNHWildCats]

lol not sold... but I could never root for an AL East rival and since theres soo many Philly fans here I decided to show some love.

[mcveyrl]

lol not sold... but I could never root for an AL East rival and since theres soo many Philly fans here I decided to show some love.

So just rented...:D

[93henfan]

We appreciate the sentiment.

Nothing else has seemed to work to break the Curse of Billy Penn. Perhaps having a gay Red Sox fan make a signature on an internet board will do the trick!xthumbsupx

Nice touch with the retro logo, btw.

[UNHWildCats]

lol i should change my thingy under my user name to RentBoy lol

[Ivytalk]

Looks good, Travis!xthumbsupx Even for the short term...

[UNHWildCats]

We appreciate the sentiment.

Nothing else has seemed to work to break the Curse of Billy Penn. Perhaps having a gay Red Sox fan make a signature on an internet board will do the trick!xthumbsupx

Nice touch with the retro logo, btw.
if u guys win it I expect cash payments asap :p

[andy7171]

Why they changed from the maroon pin stripes, I'll never understand.

I've been wearing my old maroon phillies hat around for the whole playoffs!

[YaleFootballFan]

Former Red Sox manager Jimy Williams is a coach for the Phillies.

[Marcus Garvey]

Why they changed from the maroon pin stripes, I'll never understand.

I've been wearing my old maroon phillies hat around for the whole playoffs!

The maroon shade kept getting darker over the years. It started out as a crimson, similar to what Alabama or Harvard wear. By 1991, it was freaking burgandy. That and the stupid-ass softball stripes down the shoulders and sides made it a bad uniform.

I prefer their "Day Game Special" uniform. Frankly, if I owned the Phillies, I'd switch to that unifrorm at home, and tweek the roads slightly. I'd switch to the blue-crowned cap on the road as well and change the white outline on the lettering and numbers of the road grays to a blue outline.

[andy7171]

Former Red Sox manager Jimy Williams is a coach for the Phillies.

Former Philles manager Terry Francona is a coach for the Red Sox. :D

A era most Phillies fans would like to forget.

[93henfan]

Oh, the 70s:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/phillies.jpg

http://www.4192cards.com/rose/donruss/1982DonrussPhilliesFinest585.jpg

[89Hen]

I prefer their "Day Game Special" uniform.
What about the old maroon shirt on white pants day game special?

But how could you not love the old ugly unis? First page of pictures I find on Google... although this is not me, it sure as hell could have been... every single kid and coach looks like my little league team. Even scarier is I was a dead ringer for the doofus in the front row with the tinted glasses... right down to the wrist band. I swear I've looked at this photo five times to make sure it wasn't me and my team... I'm not kidding. xlolx

http://www.douglaswitmer.com/blog/uploaded_images/WarwickPhils83_team-738731.jpg

[89Hen]

Oh, the 70s:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/phillies.jpg
What the heck is that?! I do NOT recall that one at all. xconfusedx xsmhx

[93henfan]

Still not the worst unis to be worn in Philly though.

Here's my nomination:

http://ibbab.free.fr/Hall_fame/Barkley/images/barsixers005_jpg.jpg

[93henfan]

What the heck is that?! I do NOT recall that one at all. xconfusedx xsmhx


They wore those for Saturday night games in 1979. The "Saturday Night Special". I ***** you not:

http://toddzilla.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/phillies.jpg

[Marcus Garvey]

What about the old maroon shirt on white pants day game special?

But how could you not love the old ugly unis? First page of pictures I find on Google... although this is not me, it sure as hell could have been... every single kid and coach looks like my little league team. Even scarier is I was a dead ringer for the doofus in the front row with the tinted glasses... right down to the wrist band. I swear I've looked at this photo five times to make sure it wasn't me and my team... I'm not kidding. xlolx

http://www.douglaswitmer.com/blog/uploaded_images/WarwickPhils83_team-738731.jpg


I think that "doofus" was Kent Tekulve's kid!
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/kent_tekulve_autograph.jpg

[Marcus Garvey]

They wore those for Saturday night games in 1979. The "Saturday Night Special". I ***** you not:

http://toddzilla.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/phillies.jpg

It only lasted 1 game, fan reaction was universally negative. There aren't too many images of those monstrosities floating around. A lot of people forget, but for years, the Phillies didn't televise their Saturday night games, and that one game with the red uniforms was one of those nights.

[UNHWildCats]

Former Red Sox manager Jimy Williams is a coach for the Phillies.
had you said former Sox manager Grady Little was a phillies coach, I woulda ditched that signature lol

[andy7171]

I loved the light blue away uniforms. Gray is stupid.

I remember a couple years ago the Phillies were in Baltimore and before the game, they had an old timers game honoring the 1983 WS. It may have been the 20th anniversay. The O's team wore the old three paneled "duck" hats and the Phils were in light blue. It was awesome. I think my wife was bored to tears though.

[93henfan]

More disco uniforms, with a cameo by Mr. Tekulve:

http://www.mopupduty.com/whitesox1976a.jpg

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sales/Images/Baseball/Astros/RyanN-8x10-Rainbow.jpg

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/pirates-uniform.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_4nlM8II44NI/RjKn24dJ1iI/AAAAAAAAABM/981R5DrW4Io/s1600-h/sd.jpg

[89Hen]

It only lasted 1 game, fan reaction was universally negative. There aren't too many images of those monstrosities floating around. A lot of people forget, but for years, the Phillies didn't televise their Saturday night games, and that one game with the red uniforms was one of those nights.
I feel better for not remembering them.

[89Hen]

Still not the worst unis to be worn in Philly though.

Here's my nomination:
Looked even worse on a tall, skinny, white kid.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/more/05/14/philadelphia.drought/bradley.jpg

[Marcus Garvey]

I loved the light blue away uniforms. Gray is stupid.

I remember a couple years ago the Phillies were in Baltimore and before the game, they had an old timers game honoring the 1983 WS. It may have been the 20th anniversay. The O's team wore the old three paneled "duck" hats and the Phils were in light blue. It was awesome. I think my wife was bored to tears though.

Since it's obvious you're a fan of the f--king hideous early double-knit era uniforms, here are 2 pages of ugly wardrobes you'll enjoy! :D
1978 was the high-water mark of ugly uniforms.

American League 1978 (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/uniforms.asp?league=AL&city=&lowYear=1978&highYear=1978&sort=year&increment=18)

National League 1978 (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/uniforms.asp?league=NL&city=&lowYear=1978&highYear=1978&sort=year&increment=18)

[andy7171]

Since it's obvious you're a fan of the f--king hideous early double-knit era uniforms, here are 2 pages of ugly wardrobes you'll enjoy! :D
1978 was the high-water mark of ugly uniforms.

American League 1978 (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/uniforms.asp?league=AL&city=&lowYear=1978&highYear=1978&sort=year&increment=18)

National League 1978 (http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/uniforms.asp?league=NL&city=&lowYear=1978&highYear=1978&sort=year&increment=18)
Classic!
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1978_baltimore.gif


Nice site by the way.

[Marcus Garvey]

Classic!

Nice site by the way.

My personal favorite (sarcasm alert!), the Cubbies circa 1978:
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/nl_1978_chicago.gif

There are 4 things wrong with this uniform:
1) Draw-string sash waist instead of a seperate belt.
2) Pull-over jersey instead of a button-down jersey.
3) Powder-blue road uniform instead of grey.
4) "Negative" pin stripes on the powder-blue road unis!

[89Hen]

I kinda feel stupid for having to admit this, but up until a couple years ago I didn't realize that baseball uniforms displayed the team name at home and the city name on the road. xeyebrowx

[UNHWildCats]

I kinda feel stupid for having to admit this, but up until a couple years ago I didn't realize that baseball uniforms displayed the team name at home and the city name on the road. xeyebrowx
Not all do, for example the Yankees have the NY on their home uni and Detroit has the D.

[andy7171]

I kinda feel stupid for having to admit this, but up until a couple years ago I didn't realize that baseball uniforms displayed the team name at home and the city name on the road. xeyebrowx

Not all teams. The Orioles don't anymore. Angelos refused to do it even though everyone in town wants it back on. Now that DC has a team, there's no need to think of the team as regional.

There are a couple teams that don't.

Talking about the away uniform with the city name.

[UNHWildCats]

In 2008 6 teams had the team name on home and away jerseys including the Rays, Cardinals and Phillies.

2 teams had the city on both home and away, Yankees and Tigers.

The other 22 had the home/team, road/city split.

[93henfan]

And now we see where NDSU and Oregon got the inspiration for their uniforms:

1973 Oakland Athletics
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/images/al_1973_oakland.gif

[89Hen]

The other 22 had the home/team, road/city split.
That's pretty many. I didn't notice they did that and I've always considered myself a uniform junkie. xpeacex

[89Hen]

And now we see where NDSU and Oregon got the inspiration for their uniforms:

1973 Oakland Athletics
I always liked that the A's, Padres, Pirates... had so many different combos they wore. xthumbsupx

[Marcus Garvey]

Historically, no Philadelphia team has ever had the city name on a uniform. There are some photos of pre-1900 Phillies teams with "Phila" on the uniform, but not the full name.

The A's played 54 seasons in Philly, and never had a damn thing on the uniform to indicate what town the played in. But then again, when they adopted the name, "Athletics" was closely tied to Philadelphia anyway. Through the years, they had elephant logos on their uniform and hat and of course, the famous stylized "A." They even wrote out "Athletics" on both the home and road uniform.

The Braves never spelled out "Milwaukee" on their uniforms in their 13 years there.

While it's customary to wear the city name on road uniforms, it's not unusual to not do so either.

This also reminds me of the worst research done for a baseball movie. The next time you stumble across Field of Dreams on cable, take a look at the scenes with all the old-time ball players. Notice the guy in the A's uniform. The letter and piping are kelly green!!! The A's wore various shades of blue, but never green in Philadelphia. Kelly green was Charlie O's dumb idea.

[93henfan]

If I were commish, I'd require every MLB pitcher to grow one of these or wear a fake one during every appearance on the mound. Call it the Rollie Fingers rule. The Yankees are the only team I'd allow a grandfathered waiver for, due to their facial hair policy:

http://www.kevhines.com/media/RollieFingers.jpg

[andy7171]

If I were commish, I'd require every MLB pitcher to grow one of these or wear a fake one during every appearance on the mound. Call it the Rollie Fingers rule. The Yankees are the only team I'd allow a grandfathered waiver for, due to their facial hair policy:

http://www.kevhines.com/media/RollieFingers.jpg

The Orioles have a facial hair policy as well. Raffy got Angelos to make a public exception before he signed from Texas.

[YaleFootballFan]

Not all teams. The Orioles don't anymore. Angelos refused to do it even though everyone in town wants it back on. Now that DC has a team, there's no need to think of the team as regional.

There are a couple teams that don't.

Talking about the away uniform with the city name.

Apparently the Orioles road jerseys will say "Baltimore" next season.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.uniforms01jun01,0,3303554.story

[andy7171]

Apparently the Orioles road jerseys will say "Baltimore" next season.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.uniforms01jun01,0,3303554.story

It's been a hot issue on sports talk radio ever since the Nationals took half our fan base. I think its a stupid issue, so I normally change the channel when people start railing on it.

Angelos will take it off when the nationals move in 3 years.

[TheValleyRaider]

There are 4 things wrong with this uniform:
1) Draw-string sash waist instead of a seperate belt.
2) Pull-over jersey instead of a button-down jersey.
3) Powder-blue road uniform instead of grey.
4) "Negative" pin stripes on the powder-blue road unis!

There's a story that one year the Yankees toyed with doing that kind of thing for their road uniform. Navy blue with white pinstripes and white "NY"

:pumpuke:

Here's the excerpt from Wikipedia, quoted from Now Pitching for the Yankees by Marty Appel


In 1974 I walked into (then-General Manager) Gabe Paul's office to find samples of new Yankee road uniforms draped across his sofa. They were the opposite of the home pinstripes — they were navy blue with white pinstripes. The NY logo was in white. Gabe liked them. I nearly fainted. Although the drab gray road uniforms were not exciting, with the plain NEW YORK across the chest, they were just as much the Yankees' look as were the home uniforms. I think my dramatic disdain helped saved (sic) the day and saved the Yankees from wearing those awful pajamas on the field.

[TheValleyRaider]

Apparently the Orioles road jerseys will say "Baltimore" next season.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.uniforms01jun01,0,3303554.story

That's great xnodx

They mentioned the other 4 teams that use the team's name on the road uniforms: the Cardinals, the Angels (probably because they have no idea where they play xlolx) and both of this year's WS teams, the Phils and Rays. According to the article as well, Tampa is looking to add "Tampa Bay" to some kind of road-alternate in the near future

[89Hen]

According to the article as well, Tampa is looking to add "Tampa Bay" to some kind of road-alternate in the near future
I think the Lightning have an alternate jersey this year with "Tampa" on it.

[89Hen]

when the nationals move in 3 years.
I'm not sure which is worse, you saying that, or me not really caring. xeyebrowx

[TheValleyRaider]

I think the Lightning have an alternate jersey this year with "Tampa" on it.

Worse, it says "Bolts" xoopsx

[93henfan]

Wouldn't it be redundant for the Phillies to have the city on their jerseys? Doesn't the team name kind of sum it up?

If the Orioles were instead called the Balties, would they need Baltimore on their jerseys? How about the St. Louis St. Louies?

[andy7171]

I'm not sure which is worse, you saying that, or me not really caring. xeyebrowx

Exactly. It was a novelty the first year. The honeymoon is over.

Everyone in the country wanted DC to have a team, just like everyone outside Delaware wanted to see UD vs DSU. Now that it's happened, no one wants to see it again.

[93henfan]

Exactly. It was a novelty the first year. The honeymoon is over.

Everyone in the country wanted DC to have a team, just like everyone outside Delaware wanted to see UD vs DSU. Now that it's happened, no one wants to see it again.

Kind of like the Red Sox finally winning a world series.

[Marcus Garvey]

Exactly. It was a novelty the first year. The honeymoon is over.

Everyone in the country wanted DC to have a team, just like everyone outside Delaware wanted to see UD vs DSU. Now that it's happened, no one wants to see it again.

Washington got it primarily because there was no other place with a stadium to ready to host major league baseball. The only other metropolitan area with a sufficient stadium was Buffalo (it can be easily expanded), but there are reasons why Buffalo is no longer considered a viable MLB market.

That reminds me of my "alternate baseball history" on how teams should have relocated/expanded over the last 50+ years. I'll repeat it again just to piss off some of you in markets I neglect. :P

[Marcus Garvey]

Exactly. It was a novelty the first year. The honeymoon is over.

Everyone in the country wanted DC to have a team, just like everyone outside Delaware wanted to see UD vs DSU. Now that it's happened, no one wants to see it again.

Washington got it primarily because there was no other place with a stadium to ready to host major league baseball. The only other metropolitan area with a sufficient stadium was Buffalo (it can be easily expanded), but there are reasons why Buffalo is no longer considered a viable MLB market.

That reminds me of my "alternate baseball history" on how teams should have relocated/expanded over the last 50+ years. I'll repeat it again just to piss off some of you in markets I neglect. :p

- 24 teams, 12 per league, 2 divisions per league. Original split schedule: 90 intradivisional games, 72 interdivisional games.
- No interleague play
- Only division winners make post-season
- No teams in Florida. Sorry, your piss-poor attendance validates that.
- Kansas City A's move to Denver instead of Oakland. Only 1 team in Bay Area: Giants
- No Washington. Expansion Senators go to Dallas/Ft. Worth to begin with instead of waiting 10 years.
- Montreal relocates to Phoenix some 15 years before they actually moved to Washington.
- White Sox move to Milwaukee in late 60's like they talked about at the time.
- Pilots remain in Seattle
- No Angels. Instead, the 1961 AL expansion team is the San Diego Padres. The Angels came about because the AL owners whined about Cali being all NL.
So, here it is:
AL:
New York Yankees; Boston Red Sox; Baltimore Orioles; Detroit Tigers; Cleveland Indians; Milwaukee White Sox; Kansas City Royals; Denver Athletics; Seattle Pilots; San Diego Padres; Texas Rangers; Minnesota Twins

NL:
New York Mets; Philadelphia Phillies; Cincinnati Reds; Chicago Cubs; St. Louis Cardinals; Atlanta Braves; LA Dodgers; SF Giants; Phoenix Firebirds (gotta give it a name); Houston Astros; Toronto Blue Jays; Pittsburgh Pirates

When I'm emperor, you can bet this will happen! :D

[93henfan]

MG, would you enact a hard salary cap? Or would the Pirates and Royals still suck every year?

[JoltinJoe]

Washington got it primarily because there was no other place with a stadium to ready to host major league baseball. The only other metropolitan area with a sufficient stadium was Buffalo (it can be easily expanded), but there are reasons why Buffalo is no longer considered a viable MLB market.

That reminds me of my "alternate baseball history" on how teams should have relocated/expanded over the last 50+ years. I'll repeat it again just to piss off some of you in markets I neglect. :p

- 24 teams, 12 per league, 2 divisions per league. Original split schedule: 90 intradivisional games, 72 interdivisional games.
- No interleague play
- Only division winners make post-season
- No teams in Florida. Sorry, your piss-poor attendance validates that.
- Kansas City A's move to Denver instead of Oakland. Only 1 team in Bay Area: Giants
- No Washington. Expansion Senators go to Dallas/Ft. Worth to begin with instead of waiting 10 years.
- Montreal relocates to Phoenix some 15 years before they actually moved to Washington.
- White Sox move to Milwaukee in late 60's like they talked about at the time.
- Pilots remain in Seattle
- No Angels. Instead, the 1961 AL expansion team is the San Diego Padres. The Angels came about because the AL owners whined about Cali being all NL.
So, here it is:
AL:
New York Yankees; Boston Red Sox; Baltimore Orioles; Detroit Tigers; Cleveland Indians; Milwaukee White Sox; Kansas City Royals; Denver Athletics; Seattle Pilots; San Diego Padres; Texas Rangers; Minnesota Twins

NL:
New York Mets; Philadelphia Phillies; Cincinnati Reds; Chicago Cubs; St. Louis Cardinals; Atlanta Braves; LA Dodgers; SF Giants; Phoenix Firebirds (gotta give it a name); Houston Astros; Toronto Blue Jays; Pittsburgh Pirates

When I'm emperor, you can bet this will happen! :D

Also, to make things exciting, there should have been a rule that if you go more than 50 seasons without winning a WS, you are deemed to be a "futile" franchise and are disbanded. ;)

[Marcus Garvey]

MG, would you enact a hard salary cap? Or would the Pirates and Royals still suck every year?

No, there wouldn't be a need for a hard salary cap. When free agency came about, everyone would have become a free agent. In the reserve-clause era, there were no mulit-year deals. The stars would get the money they deserve, and players would be paid based upon very recent production. Guys like Barry Zito and Adam Eaton wouldn't be sucking things dry. You wouldn't have A-Rod type salaries.

The money the players are paid is one of the major causes for MLB's declining popularity compared to other sports.

[93henfan]

In the reserve-clause era, there were no mulit-year deals.


Roger that!xthumbsupx I did not know that was part of your plan. I like.

[LeopardFan04]

I currently wear this one:

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0821/pg2_rt_djaxblue_500.jpg

It was worn in 1994, and with the intention that it'd be worn for day games. The Phillies did horribly wearing them, and they were dropped during the season. I was given one that year as a 12 year old, and I've been wearing it on and off since. I'll be rocking it tomorrow night along with my Mike Lieberthal jersey!

[LeopardFan04]

Here's a good Paul Lukas column about one and done uniforms:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/070823

[89Hen]

Worse, it says "Bolts" xoopsx
Yeah, yeah, that's it. I actually like the look of it, just not the "bolts" part.

[89Hen]

Exactly. It was a novelty the first year. The honeymoon is over.

Everyone in the country wanted DC to have a team, just like everyone outside Delaware wanted to see UD vs DSU. Now that it's happened, no one wants to see it again.
What a great analogy. xbowx

[89Hen]

24 teams, 12 per league, 2 divisions per league.
So I guess that makes it?

AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Baltimore Orioles
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians
Milwaukee White Sox

WEST
Kansas City Royals
Denver Athletics
Seattle Pilots
San Diego Padres
Texas Rangers
Minnesota Twins

NATIONAL LEAGUE
EAST
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
Cincinnati Reds
Toronto Blue Jays
Atlanta Braves

WEST
Chicago Cubs
St. Louis Cardinals
LA Dodgers
SF Giants
Phoenix Firebirds
Houston Astros

Shame to split Milwaukee from Minnesota and Chigago... they're really left with no rival. :(

[89Hen]

I currently wear this one:
Complete with that big arse dome billboard on the front? xeyebrowx xsmiley_wix

[Marcus Garvey]

So I guess that makes it?

AMERICAN LEAGUE
EAST
New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Baltimore Orioles
Detroit Tigers
Cleveland Indians
Milwaukee White Sox

WEST
Kansas City Royals
Denver Athletics
Seattle Pilots
San Diego Padres
Texas Rangers
Minnesota Twins

NATIONAL LEAGUE
EAST
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
Cincinnati Reds
Toronto Blue Jays
Atlanta Braves

WEST
Chicago Cubs
St. Louis Cardinals
LA Dodgers
SF Giants
Phoenix Firebirds
Houston Astros

Shame to split Milwaukee from Minnesota and Chigago... they're really left with no rival. :(

Good point. We can tweak it to put KC in the East and Milwaukee in the West. Yeah, not geographically consistent, but what the hell, Cincy and Atlanta were in the NL West for years while St. Louis and Chicago were in the NL East. In fact, looking at your list, I almost want to do that. Years and years of seeing the Phils play the Cubbies and Cards 18 times each got me used to them being in the East.

[UNHWildCats]

Also, to make things exciting, there should have been a rule that if you go more than 50 seasons without winning a WS, you are deemed to be a "futile" franchise and are disbanded. ;)
42 more seasons and we can label the Yankees as such xcoolx

[ngineer]

I currently wear this one:

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0821/pg2_rt_djaxblue_500.jpg

It was worn in 1994, and with the intention that it'd be worn for day games. The Phillies did horribly wearing them, and they were dropped during the season. I was given one that year as a 12 year old, and I've been wearing it on and off since. I'll be rocking it tomorrow night along with my Mike Lieberthal jersey!

I've got one of those from 1994. I wear it while mowing the grass. I think the Phils lost every Sunday afternoon game at home that they wore them up until July or or so and dropped them.

As for the unis. I have always liked the white with the red pinstripes. It is the uniform I remember as a kid in the 1950-60's. The current Sunday cream color uni with piping on the sleaves is a throw-back to their 1940's motif sans the 'Blue Jay' logo they had for a couple years. I never liked the maroon unis....probably inherent with my Brown & White mentality!:D