FCS Power Points Standings

[CJHawkeyes]

I devised a point system for college football, but I haven't applied it to the FCS until this year. That said, I thought I would post the current standings following today's games because I'm curious what FCS fans think of them. Ideally, teams are supposed to play intradivisional games only. For purposes here, FBS opponents and D2 (or lower) opponents have standard values respectively. Also, teams that have played more games to date likely have had more opportunity to earn points.


1-James Madison 21.8
2-Richmond 18.8
3-Elon 18.0
4-Tennessee State 18.0
5-Cal Poly 16.8
6-Montana 16.3
7-Villanova 15.8
8-Weber State 15.1
9-Appalachian State 14.8
10-New Hampshire 13.8
11-Furman 13.1
12-Grambling 13.1
13-South Carolina State 12.9
14-Central Arkansas 12.3
15-San Diego 12.3
16-Wofford 11.8
17-Liberty 11.5
18-Lafayette 11.0
19-Harvard 11.0
20-William & Mary 10.8
21-Southeastern Louisiana 10.6
22-Tennessee-Martin 10.3
23-Northern Arizona 10.1
24-Eastern Kentucky 9.6
25-Hampton 9.0
26-Northern Iowa 8.8
27-Jacksonville State 8.8
28-Dayton 8.3
29-Florida A&M 8.0
30-Southern Illinois 7.8
31-Delaware State 7.8
32-Western Illinois 7.1
33-Albany 7.0
34-Massachusetts 6.8
35-Maine 6.8
36-Southern 6.8
37-Sacred Heart 6.5
38-Prairie View A&M 6.5
39-Central Connecticut State 6.0
40-Cornell 6.0
41-South Dakota State 5.8
42-Colgate 5.0
43-Bethune-Cookman 5.0
44-McNeese State 4.3
45-Northwestern State 4.3
46-Texas State 4.1
47-Coastal Carolina 3.8
48-North Dakota 2.1
49-California-Davis 1.8
50-Butler 1.8
51-Samford 1.3
52-Southern Utah 1.1
53-Sam Houston State 1.1
54-Bucknell 1.0
55-Charleston Southern 0.9
56-Hofstra 0.8
57-Stephen F. Austin 0.3
58-Sacramento State 0.3
59-VMI 0.1
60-Citadel 0.1
61-Eastern Illinois -0.4
62-Pennsylvania -1.0
63-Brown -1.0
64-Yale -1.0
65-Lehigh -1.0
66-Eastern Washington -1.1
67-Morgan State -1.2
68-Georgia Southern -1.2
69-North Dakota State -1.2
70-Northeastern -1.4
71-Holy Cross -2.0
72-Fordham -2.0
73-Montana State -2.1
74-Bryant -2.5
75-Drake -2.5
76-Jackson State -2.7
77-Missouri State -2.9
78-Stony Brook -3.0
79-Norfolk State -3.9
80-Monmouth -4.0
81-Marist -4.0
82-Tennessee Tech -4.1
83-Murray State -4.1
84-Jacksonville -4.5
85-Portland State -4.9
86-Delaware -4.9
87-Robert Morris -5.0
88-Alabama State -5.2
89-Princeton -6.0
90-Duquesne -6.0
91-Towson -6.2
92-Illinois State -6.2
93-Rhode Island -6.2
94-South Dakota -6.2
95-Western Carolina -6.9
96-Texas Southern -7.4
97-Morehead State -7.7
98-Gardner-Webb -7.9
99-Nicholls State -8.2
100-Alabama A&M -8.7
101-Georgetown -9.0
102-Chattanooga -9.1
103-Wagner -9.7
104-Youngstown State -9.9
105-Dartmouth -10.0
106-Northern Colorado -10.2
107-Presbyterian -10.5
108-Davidson -10.5
109-Mississippi Valley State -10.7
110-Valparaiso -11.2
111-Iona -11.9
112-Southeast Missouri State -12.9
113-Howard -13.0
114-Columbia -13.0
115-Savannah State -14.5
116-Idaho State -15.4
117-Winston-Salem -17.0
118-Indiana State -17.4
119-Alcorn State -17.9
120-North Carolina A&T -19.7
121-North Carolina Central -19.7
122-Campbell -21.2
123-Austin Peay State -23.0
124-Saint Francis -24.0
125-Arkansas-Pine Bluff -30.5

[Syntax Error]

I devised a point system ... FBS opponents and D2 (or lower) opponents have standard values...ummmmmmmm xsmhx

What is the point of standard values? The data is freely available to rate all teams.

[CJHawkeyes]

ummmmmmmm xsmhx

What is the point of standard values? The data is freely available to rate all teams.

Admiittedly, standard values are not ideal and I do have an idea that would permit interaction between divisions, but for now, I'm just doing things this way. Just to be clear, this system does not rank teams best to worst team but rather most to least valuable resume.

[Syntax Error]

... this system does not rank teams best to worst team but rather most to least valuable resume.That is confusing. You clearly rank the teams.

[UNIFanSince1983]

So apparently San Diego has a better resume than UNI? I have a hard time believing that!!

And 26th best resume? The MVC must be the worst conference in history! I am sorry but this is worthless!

[DSUrocks07]

I devised a point system for college football, but I haven't applied it to the FCS until this year. That said, I thought I would post the current standings following today's games because I'm curious what FCS fans think of them. Ideally, teams are supposed to play intradivisional games only. For purposes here, FBS opponents and D2 (or lower) opponents have standard values respectively. Also, teams that have played more games to date likely have had more opportunity to earn points.


1-James Madison 21.8
2-Richmond 18.8
3-Elon 18.0
4-Tennessee State 18.0
5-Cal Poly 16.8
6-Montana 16.3
7-Villanova 15.8
8-Weber State 15.1
9-Appalachian State 14.8
10-New Hampshire 13.8
11-Furman 13.1
12-Grambling 13.1
13-South Carolina State 12.9
14-Central Arkansas 12.3
15-San Diego 12.3
16-Wofford 11.8
17-Liberty 11.5
18-Lafayette 11.0
19-Harvard 11.0
20-William & Mary 10.8
21-Southeastern Louisiana 10.6
22-Tennessee-Martin 10.3
23-Northern Arizona 10.1
24-Eastern Kentucky 9.6
25-Hampton 9.0
26-Northern Iowa 8.8
27-Jacksonville State 8.8
28-Dayton 8.3
29-Florida A&M 8.0
30-Southern Illinois 7.8
31-Delaware State 7.8
32-Western Illinois 7.1
33-Albany 7.0
34-Massachusetts 6.8
35-Maine 6.8
36-Southern 6.8
37-Sacred Heart 6.5
38-Prairie View A&M 6.5
39-Central Connecticut State 6.0
40-Cornell 6.0
41-South Dakota State 5.8
42-Colgate 5.0
43-Bethune-Cookman 5.0
44-McNeese State 4.3
45-Northwestern State 4.3
46-Texas State 4.1
47-Coastal Carolina 3.8
48-North Dakota 2.1
49-California-Davis 1.8
50-Butler 1.8
51-Samford 1.3
52-Southern Utah 1.1
53-Sam Houston State 1.1
54-Bucknell 1.0
55-Charleston Southern 0.9
56-Hofstra 0.8
57-Stephen F. Austin 0.3
58-Sacramento State 0.3
59-VMI 0.1
60-Citadel 0.1
61-Eastern Illinois -0.4
62-Pennsylvania -1.0
63-Brown -1.0
64-Yale -1.0
65-Lehigh -1.0
66-Eastern Washington -1.1
67-Morgan State -1.2
68-Georgia Southern -1.2
69-North Dakota State -1.2
70-Northeastern -1.4
71-Holy Cross -2.0
72-Fordham -2.0
73-Montana State -2.1
74-Bryant -2.5
75-Drake -2.5
76-Jackson State -2.7
77-Missouri State -2.9
78-Stony Brook -3.0
79-Norfolk State -3.9
80-Monmouth -4.0
81-Marist -4.0
82-Tennessee Tech -4.1
83-Murray State -4.1
84-Jacksonville -4.5
85-Portland State -4.9
86-Delaware -4.9
87-Robert Morris -5.0
88-Alabama State -5.2
89-Princeton -6.0
90-Duquesne -6.0
91-Towson -6.2
92-Illinois State -6.2
93-Rhode Island -6.2
94-South Dakota -6.2
95-Western Carolina -6.9
96-Texas Southern -7.4
97-Morehead State -7.7
98-Gardner-Webb -7.9
99-Nicholls State -8.2
100-Alabama A&M -8.7
101-Georgetown -9.0
102-Chattanooga -9.1
103-Wagner -9.7
104-Youngstown State -9.9
105-Dartmouth -10.0
106-Northern Colorado -10.2
107-Presbyterian -10.5
108-Davidson -10.5
109-Mississippi Valley State -10.7
110-Valparaiso -11.2
111-Iona -11.9
112-Southeast Missouri State -12.9
113-Howard -13.0
114-Columbia -13.0
115-Savannah State -14.5
116-Idaho State -15.4
117-Winston-Salem -17.0
118-Indiana State -17.4
119-Alcorn State -17.9
120-North Carolina A&T -19.7
121-North Carolina Central -19.7
122-Campbell -21.2
123-Austin Peay State -23.0
124-Saint Francis -24.0
125-Arkansas-Pine Bluff -30.5

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[skinny_uncle]

Two of the teams SIU has beaten (Hampton and UNI) are ranked ahead of them. I think the system needs some tweaking to say the least.
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[siuham]

That is confusing. You clearly rank the teams.

I'm confused how you didn't understand that.

The sentence reads: I don't rank teams by how good they are. I rank teams based on their resume.

Even taking their per-game average points this is still a bit confusing.

1-Cal Poly 16.8 3.36
2-James Madison 21.8 3.114286
3-Villanova 15.8 2.633333
4-Tennessee State 18.0 2.571429
5-Richmond 18.8 2.35
6-Montana 16.3 2.328571
7-New Hampshire 13.8 2.3
8-Elon 18.0 2.25
9-Harvard 11.0 2.2
10-App State 14.8 2.114286
11-C. Arkansas 12.3 2.05
12-San Diego 12.3 2.05
13-Wofford 11.8 1.966667
14-Weber State 15.1 1.8875
15-S.C. State 12.9 1.842857
16-Lafayette 11.0 1.833333
17-William & Mary 10.8 1.8
18-N. Arizona 10.1 1.683333
19-Liberty 11.5 1.642857
20-Furman 13.1 1.6375
21-Grambling 13.1 1.6375
22-SE Louisiana 10.6 1.514286
23-Hampton 9.0 1.5
24-Jacks. State 8.8 1.466667
25-E. Kentucky 9.6 1.371429
26-S. Illinois 7.8 1.3
27-Tenn-Martin 10.3 1.2875
28-Northern Iowa 8.8 1.257149
29-Dayton 8.3 1.185714
30-Florida A&M 8.0 1.142857

[CJHawkeyes]

So apparently San Diego has a better resume than UNI? I have a hard time believing that!!

And 26th best resume? The MVC must be the worst conference in history! I am sorry but this is worthless!

Admittedly, I'm surprised the better MVC teams aren't ranked higher. That said, based on FCS games only, UNI ranks higher than San Diego who appears to be benefitting a great deal from its opponents beating up on D2 and lower teams. I did apply my idea to last year's playoff teams. Here is how they ranked amongst each other followed by how they rank amongst each other in the two major FCS polls. Delaware State appears to be the only team that differs greatly between my idea and the polls.

1-Northern Iowa 1 1
2-Delaware St. 9 9
3-Montana 2 2
4-Appalachian St. 5 5
5-McNeese St. 3 3
6-Southern Illinois 4 4
7-Massachusetts 7 7
8-Richmond 6 6
9-Eastern Kentucky 10 8
10-Delaware 12 12
11-James Madison 8 11
12-Wofford 11 10
13-Eastern Washington 13 13
14-Fordham 16 16
15-New Hampshire 14 14
16-Eastern Illinois 15 15

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I'm confused how you didn't understand that.Well I did say I was confused. xlolx

[danefan]

I think you'd be better off using some sort of varied point system for interdivisional games.

Do you basically just gain points for wins? If so, then maybe you should get .5 point for a DII win and 2 points for an FBS win, or something similar.

A win over a DII has to count for less then a win over an FCS team and a win over an FBS has to count for more then a win over an FCS team. If not you'll end up with Strenth of Schedule not being taken into account. Hence likely why San Diego is as high as they are.

[introvertedGSUfan]

I like where you've put GSU, although our record makes everybody have a knee-jerk reaction and claim that we don't deserve such a high ranking. :D

[leatherneck177]

In brief, these ratings are awful with no concept behind them. You need to distinguish between opponents. Sub FCS wins should not carry the same weight as a quality FCS win. You might as well list all FCS teams in order of their record, because it would be just about as good as this.

[CJHawkeyes]

In brief, these ratings are awful with no concept behind them. You need to distinguish between opponents. Sub FCS wins should not carry the same weight as a quality FCS win. You might as well list all FCS teams in order of their record, because it would be just about as good as this.

They don't carry the same weight. Ideally, all FCS teams would play equal game schedules versus FCS opponents only. Since that isn't the case, I'm treating FBS and D2 opponents equally among their own kind. For example, FBS teams are 81-2 versus FCS. D2 and lower teams are 15-80. An FBS opponent's value falls between an 8-0 and 7-1 FCS team and a D2 team's value between 1-7 and 0-8. I wouldn't actually favor using standard values for real. The standings based on FCS games only do seem to be more in line with opinions on this board except that Cal Poly and New Hampshire suffer as a result of their FBS wins not counting.

[CJHawkeyes]

I think you'd be better off using some sort of varied point system for interdivisional games.

Do you basically just gain points for wins? If so, then maybe you should get .5 point for a DII win and 2 points for an FBS win, or something similar.

A win over a DII has to count for less then a win over an FCS team and a win over an FBS has to count for more then a win over an FCS team. If not you'll end up with Strenth of Schedule not being taken into account. Hence likely why San Diego is as high as they are.


Actually, a FBS win > FCS win > D2 win in nearly all cases. San Diego is benefitting from its opponents winning half of their games vesus lower division opponents. Based on FCS games only, San Diego falls to 29th. My idea isn't really designed for interdivisional play. I'm just experimenting with a couple ideas for dealing with such games.

[danefan]

Actually, a FBS win > FCS win > D2 win in nearly all cases. San Diego is benefitting from its opponents winning half of their games vesus lower division opponents. Based on FCS games only, San Diego falls to 29th. My idea isn't really designed for interdivisional play. I'm just experimenting with a couple ideas for dealing with such games.

Gotcha. I thought when you said that FBS and DII games getting a standard weight meant that they got the same weight.

[DSUrocks07]

Admittedly, I'm surprised the better MVC teams aren't ranked higher. That said, based on FCS games only, UNI ranks higher than San Diego who appears to be benefitting a great deal from its opponents beating up on D2 and lower teams. I did apply my idea to last year's playoff teams. Here is how they ranked amongst each other followed by how they rank amongst each other in the two major FCS polls. Delaware State appears to be the only team that differs greatly between my idea and the polls.

1-Northern Iowa 1 1
2-Delaware St. 9 9
3-Montana 2 2
4-Appalachian St. 5 5
5-McNeese St. 3 3
6-Southern Illinois 4 4
7-Massachusetts 7 7
8-Richmond 6 6
9-Eastern Kentucky 10 8
10-Delaware 12 12
11-James Madison 8 11
12-Wofford 11 10
13-Eastern Washington 13 13
14-Fordham 16 16
15-New Hampshire 14 14
16-Eastern Illinois 15 15

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