AGS Poll - Week Six Results

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. James Madison (109) 2891
2. Appalachian St. 2689
3. McNeese St. (3) 2550
4. Richmond 2337
5. Cal Poly 2331
6. New Hampshire (3) 2239
7. Wofford 2003
8. Northern Iowa 1982
9. Villanova (1) 1975
10. Elon 1909
11. North Dakota St. 1846
12. Montana 1685
13. Massachusetts 1566
14. Southern Illinois 1228
15. Central Arkansas 949
16. Liberty 888
17. Western Illinois 809
18. Furman 794
19. Eastern Washington 761
20. Northern Arizona 658
21. Jacksonville St. 600
22. Delaware 552
23. South Dakota St. 531
24. Weber St. 506
25. The Citadel 413
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Sam Houston St. (53), Hampton (47), Georgia Southern (39), Tennessee St. (30), Montana St. (25), Eastern Illinois (11), San Diego (8), South Carolina St. (7), Harvard (6), Cornell (5)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Weber St.
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Montana

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Press release:

AGS Poll Week Six: James Madison Remains No. 1

Chicago, IL -- The Dukes of James Madison University tightened their grip as No. 1 in the AnyGivenSaturday.com (AGS) Poll of the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) this week, garnering 109 first place votes, three more than last week.

Following the Dukes in the top ten were (in order): Appalachian State, McNeese State, Richmond, Cal Poly, New Hampshire, Wofford, Northern Iowa, Villanova, and Elon .

The full results are listed below.

Three other teams received first place votes including McNeese State (3), New Hampshire (3), and Villanova (1).

A total of 10 squads received at least the five votes required to receive mention outside of the top 25.

The Colonial Athletic Association, the FCS’s largest league lead the way with six teams in the Top 25; the Missouri Valley Football and Southern Conferences placed five each; the Big Sky Conference had four; the Southland Conference placed two; and the Ohio Valley, Great West Football, and Big South Conferences were represented with one squad.

Liberty improved the most gaining six spots while Eastern Washington fell the furthest dropping 11 spots. Sam Houston State dropped from the top 25 as Weber State entered at No. 24.

The pollsters also named Weber State's win over Montana as both the Most Significant Win and Significant Loss Of The Week.

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In comparison to other polls, the AGS Poll had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll than either of the other two polls (coaches and media) had on their’s since their inception four years ago. The AGS Poll also had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll make the playoffs than either of the other two polls the past four years.

In order to ensure that the poll is accurate and fair, a committee of AGS veteran members has established guidelines for voter eligibility and accountability. The AGS Poll will be announced weekly throughout the season on Mondays and a final poll will be announced shortly after the National Championship game.

Complete rankings:

Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. James Madison (109) 5-1 2891 1
2. Appalachian State 3-2 2689 2
3. McNeese State (3) 3-1 2550 4
4. Richmond 4-2 2337 6
5. Cal Poly 3-1 2331 5
6. New Hampshire (3) 4-0 2239 7
7. Wofford 3-1 2003 9
8. Northern Iowa 3-2 1982 10
9. Villanova (1) 4-1 1975 12
10. Elon 5-1 1909 14
11. North Dakota State 3-2 1846 13
12. Montana 4-1 1685 3
13. Massachusetts 3-2 1566 17
14. Southern Illinois 2-2 1228 11
15. Central Arkansas 4-1 949 20
16. Liberty 5-0 888 22
17. Western Illinois 3-2 809 21
18. Furman 4-2 794 15
19. Eastern Washington 2-3 761 8
20. Northern Arizona 4-1 658 24
21. Jacksonville State 4-1 600 23
22. Delaware 2-3 552 16
23. South Dakota State 3-3 531 19
24. Weber State 4-2 506 NR
25. The Citadel 3-2 413 18
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Sam Houston State (53), Hampton (47), Georgia Southern (39), Tennessee State (30), Montana State (25), Eastern Illinois (11), San Diego (8), South Carolina State (7), Harvard (6), Cornell (5).

Dropped out: Sam Houston State.

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Weber State
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Montana

[GSUhooligan]

How did we drop 2 spots after a blow out win?

[danefan]

Didn't think Delaware would fall that far.

6 spot drop after losing to a team one spot below you?

[Dane96]

I think GSU should be in the Top 25...or at the very least Top 26.

[Dukie95]

How did we collectively forget Villanova beat Richmond?

[WrenFGun]

I suspect it was the rise of Liberty and Weber.

[danefan]

How did we drop 2 spots after a blow out win?

Moved up two to #19 in my poll.

[Dane96]

I think the Delaware ranking is fair and unfair-- I think Del and UMASS should be right next to each other...but two spots or so higher.

[bluehenbillk]

E. Washington, Delaware & South Dakota St were all out of my poll. 3 losses through the 1st week of October eventually has to count for something.

[Rob Iola]

How did we drop 2 spots after a blow out win?
Win this week and I'd think you'd make up those 2 spots and then some...

[appfan2008]

not as good as past weeks but still will be better than what the coaches and media put out there

[Dane96]

EWU should at the very least be 23-25...way too high. Bill...in the end I think you are being too harsh on UD...but I do respect no homerism.

They are still very tough defensively and will be a tough out the rest of the year.

[Grizzaholic]

Not a bad poll. Weber St. should be higher, EWU should be lower, I wouldn't think The Citadel would fall that far losing to APP St.

[WrenFGun]

As for Delaware...they've been way too inconsistent to this point and do not warrant top 25 inclusion over teams that are 3 or 4 and 1 with a quality win. Northern Arizona got my vote for performing well so far in the BSC, and with a win over Sac. St in good fashion, but make no doubt, they're barely in.

[JDC325]

How did we drop 2 spots after a blow out win?

Also, with our losses coming from a top ten BCS team, and two top ten FCS teams by less than three combined points? I guess we need to add more non scholly FCS or Div II teams to our schedule. Chat is weak and I am not saying we are top ten but cmon folks dropping GSU down after a blow out performance against a team Furman struggled against?

[dbackjon]

Liberty is too high - that YSU win is losing a lot of luster.
NAU and Weber too low.
Jacksonville State WAY too low.

I need to see another strong D effort from UMass to rate them higher

[dbackjon]

As for Delaware...they've been way too inconsistent to this point and do not warrant top 25 inclusion over teams that are 3 or 4 and 1 with a quality win. Northern Arizona got my vote for performing well so far in the BSC, and with a win over Sac. St in good fashion, but make no doubt, they're barely in.

How is NAU barely in, but Liberty #14, when Liberty has two D-II wins?

[Walkon79]

I'm glad to still be lurking just out of the top 25. If the Cat's can "upset" Weber at home, i would expect a little more love from AGS.

[dbackjon]

Also, with our losses coming from a top ten BCS team, and two top ten FCS teams by less than three combined points? I guess we need to add more non scholly FCS or Div II teams to our schedule. Chat is weak and I am not saying we are top ten but cmon folks dropping GSU down after a blow out performance against a team Furman struggled against?

GSU re-entered my poll this week.

[GSUhooligan]

Win this week and I'd think you'd make up those 2 spots and then some...

Not possible. We have a bye, which means we will probably fall even farther after next week. But you're right, if we keep winning, it will all work out.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Also, with our losses coming from a top ten BCS team, and two top ten FCS teams by less than three combined points? I guess we need to add more non scholly FCS or Div II teams to our schedule. Chat is weak and I am not saying we are top ten but cmon folks dropping GSU down after a blow out performance against a team Furman struggled against?
It should be said that I actually had GSU out after a loss going into the week 5 poll but have them back in after this past week's action

[WrenFGun]

If Montana State beats Weber, they'll make my poll.

Liberty has three wins that are better than anything NAU can pile up. New Mexico Highlands, Sacto State, Northern Colorado and Southern Utah? Two were on the road, and conference wins are tough, so that's why I have them in the poll. Liberty has not lost a game and has wins over Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State and Western Carolina. WCU would likely be competitive with Sacto State and NoCo, and YSU and Coastal are clearly better. Plus, Liberty is undefeated.

[danefan]

Can I make a suggestion? OK, thanks:

Please post your own ballot in the AGS Poll board. Better to analyze the actual AGS poll here, IMO.

It gets confusing when so many polls are being posted.

Lets use the AGS Poll thread to post our own ballots and critique them.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49058

[Grizzaholic]

I'm glad to still be lurking just out of the top 25. If the Cat's can "upset" Weber at home, i would expect a little more love from AGS.

Everybody in the BSC is rooting for you this week, and you will get the love next week in the polls if you win.

[ToTheLeft]

And, all of Liberty's FCS wins are on the Road ;-)

[OL FU]

Also, with our losses coming from a top ten BCS team, and two top ten FCS teams by less than three combined points? I guess we need to add more non scholly FCS or Div II teams to our schedule. Chat is weak and I am not saying we are top ten but cmon folks dropping GSU down after a blow out performance against a team Furman struggled against?

GSU 52 UTC 28
FU 35 UTC 10xeyebrowx

I think you would have a better comparison with the Elon gamexnodx

[Rob Iola]

Not possible. We have a bye, which means we will probably fall even farther after next week. But you're right, if we keep winning, it will all work out.
Well ok - sorry I missed the ASU game date by a week - but quality conference wins will get you back on the map. Or put another way (and this is coming from a Hens supporter who's in the same boat), it's win from now on or you'll be joining me in the Crapsville Cafe, and it won't matter 1 bit whether you're in the top 25, ARE, or off the map entirely...

[WrenFGun]

Yeah replace Albany, URI or Dartmouth on your schedule with UGA, Wofford and Elon and get back to me.

Sure, I understand that. GSU has also played 6 games to UNH's four, so they've had more opportunity to play tougher teams. I'm not going to battle on UNH's quality of schedule, because it's just not very good right now. UNH has the opportunity to win those tough games, though ('Nova, UMass) when they come. Until they come, though, you can't penalize the team for the loss. Let's see how UNH handles Northeastern in a few weeks...

Georgia Southern is one of the better teams outside the poll, but there are 25 teams with better resumes at this point in the season.

[dbackjon]

If Montana State beats Weber, they'll make my poll.

Liberty has three wins that are better than anything NAU can pile up. New Mexico Highlands, Sacto State, Northern Colorado and Southern Utah? Two were on the road, and conference wins are tough, so that's why I have them in the poll. Liberty has not lost a game and has wins over Coastal Carolina, Youngstown State and Western Carolina. WCU would likely be competitive with Sacto State and NoCo, and YSU and Coastal are clearly better. Plus, Liberty is undefeated.

While Liberty was playing TWO D-II teams, NAU's loss was at ARIZONA STATE.

SUU is a tough team - they beat Youngstown State, same as Liberty did. You are giving Liberty credit for that, but not SUU. Strange.

WCU is much, much worse than Sac or UNC WCU would lose by 20 to each.

Your reasoning needs to be reexamined.

[Syntax Error]

post your ballots on the AGS Poll board thread, easier to find that way! xlolx

[Dane96]

YIKES! SE and Danefan agreeing.....the worm has turned!

[WrenFGun]

While Liberty was playing TWO D-II teams, NAU's loss was at ARIZONA STATE.

SUU is a tough team - they beat Youngstown State, same as Liberty did. You are giving Liberty credit for that, but not SUU. Strange.

WCU is much, much worse than Sac or UNC WCU would lose by 20 to each.

Your reasoning needs to be reexamined.

My mistake on SUU. If they beat Youngstown, as they did, then that should be taken aside. I still like Liberty's undefeated record and victories over three FCS schools (which is the same as NAU). I also had Liberty higher in the preseason than NAU, and I think that's reflected in the difference in ranking (which isn't enormous as is).

[danefan]

YIKES! SE and Danefan agreeing.....the worm has turned!

maybe we are the same person. xcoolx

[Syntax Error]

YIKES! SE and Danefan agreeing.....the worm has turned!been away awhile huh? xlolx

[dbackjon]

My mistake on SUU. If they beat Youngstown, as they did, then that should be taken aside. I still like Liberty's undefeated record and victories over three FCS schools (which is the same as NAU). I also had Liberty higher in the preseason than NAU, and I think that's reflected in the difference in ranking (which isn't enormous as is).


See, this is one reason why I hate preseason rankings - it biases the entire season.

Again, you are rewarding Liberty for playing TWO D-II teams, while NAU stepped up and played Arizona State.

[SuperJon]

SUU is a tough team - they beat Youngstown State, same as Liberty did. You are giving Liberty credit for that, but not SUU. Strange.

You get more credit for beating a team, any team, on the road than you do for winning at home.

[JDC325]

Sure, I understand that. GSU has also played 6 games to UNH's four, so they've had more opportunity to play tougher teams. I'm not going to battle on UNH's quality of schedule, because it's just not very good right now. UNH has the opportunity to win those tough games, though ('Nova, UMass) when they come. Until they come, though, you can't penalize the team for the loss. Let's see how UNH handles Northeastern in a few weeks...

Georgia Southern is one of the better teams outside the poll, but there are 25 teams with better resumes at this point in the season.

Yes, Yes I agree wins over bad Div II teams should be given more weight than BCS games and last minute losses to top ten FCS teams. Note to GSU AD schedule Mars Hill, Weber International, and West Chester next year. Dude we dropped with a blow out win forget being in the top 25.

[dbackjon]

You get more credit for beating a team, any team, on the road than you do for winning at home.

And two of NAU's FCS wins were on the road as well... :p

[Dane96]

been away awhile huh? xlolx

Clearly!

[appfan2008]

My mistake on SUU. If they beat Youngstown, as they did, then that should be taken aside. I still like Liberty's undefeated record and victories over three FCS schools (which is the same as NAU). I also had Liberty higher in the preseason than NAU, and I think that's reflected in the difference in ranking (which isn't enormous as is).

I had Liberty in my preseason poll and all they have done is win so they will continue to move up...

[terrierbob]

Well, I screwed up and didn't get mine in on time. Three strikes and I'm out; understood completely.

We're too high. Wofford has a glaring weakness-our secondary. App State and Elon will feast on us unless (and this is entirely possible) our bulldozers up front keep us churning all game. Run defense is fine. Coverage much improved. I had us at 8 or 9.

[elcid96]

Not possible. We have a bye, which means we will probably fall even farther after next week. But you're right, if we keep winning, it will all work out.

No doubt that GSU is not a top 25 team. They have wins against Austin Peay and Northeastern. Hardly a cry for a top 25 showing. You lost two home games against Wofford and Elon.

I will also say that The Citadel does not belong in the top 25 either. We have wins against Princeton, Webber Int and Western. Hardly a cry for a top 25 showing either. We need to win against Elon this week to get back into it and GSU will have to beat APP at HOME if they want to get back into the poll.

[Dane96]

See...not that I agree or disagree with GSU...but this is the kind of stuff that gets me.

IMHO...two more wins and Northeastern is clearly in the Top 25. Look at their wins...and their losses. heck, their game against Ball State is now a loss to a Top 25 FBS team.

[Rob Iola]

Going in another direction - I can understand Montana having the most significant loss this week, but instead of the knee-jerk reaction of listing Weber St. as having the most significant win (and nudging onto the top 25 list as a result) I would argue that McNeese St. had the most significant win with their win at South Dakota State, therefore solidifying their claim to the #3 position. The impact here is that if they keep winning in the Southland they'll take over #1 when ASU and JMU inevitably stumble in their insanely difficult conference schedules...

[Grizzaholic]

It will be interesting to see how far Montana fell in the other polls compared to how far Montana fell in the AGS poll.

On the AGS poll, Montana has fallen anywhere from 9th to 18th.

[89Hen]

Your reasoning needs to be reexamined.
Do you yet see why I think you are quick to belittle people who don't have NAU in the top 5? xcoolx

[Eight Legger]

I was ready to be a little down on Montana this year after listening to Griz fans bemoan their inexperience, but the win over Cal Poly made me think you guys were still solid. Now this happens, and I am not sure what to make of it. I know nothing about Weber State. Maybe they are just a good team...I guess we will find out soon enough.

[DB_Atlantic10]

Going in another direction - I can understand Montana having the most significant loss this week, but instead of the knee-jerk reaction of listing Weber St. as having the most significant win (and nudging onto the top 25 list as a result) I would argue that McNeese St. had the most significant win with their win at South Dakota State, therefore solidifying their claim to the #3 position. The impact here is that if they keep winning in the Southland they'll take over #1 when ASU and JMU inevitably stumble in their insanely difficult conference schedules...
Well this is why we all vote....obviously not enough AGS voters agreed with the McNeese St. game as being that significant.... Normally there's nothing significant when a top five team wins over a lesser opponent.....Hmmmmm xwhistlex

[dbackjon]

See...not that I agree or disagree with GSU...but this is the kind of stuff that gets me.

IMHO...two more wins and Northeastern is clearly in the Top 25. Look at their wins...and their losses. heck, their game against Ball State is now a loss to a Top 25 FBS team.


You are right - if NE beat UMass and UNH back to back, it would warrant top 25 consideration. They would be 4-3, with losses to Ball State and Syracuse, and a road OT loss to GSU. Wins over UC-Davis and @Towson.

[mcveyrl]

How could you not have Elon in your week 5 poll? We were ranked as high as #7 and as low as #15 in all the major polls after week 5. Looking at the week 6 poll, I know Furman was #12 in week 5 but you pushed Elon up from unranked to #11? I'm just trying to understand your logic here. xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

I think he admitted in the other thread that he made a mistake in not including Elon in Week 5. I may be wrong, but that's what I remember and I'm too busy (read: lazy) to look it up.

[dbackjon]

Do you yet see why I think you are quick to belittle people who don't have NAU in the top 5? xcoolx

We are not top 5. But clearly better than 25.

I question faulty assumptions, logic. and correct them. :p

[terrierbob]

I've been granted, through powers that exceed my comprehension, a dispensation due to the "hurricane".

So....my poll was accepted.

[ChickenMan]

Delaware is not a Top 25 team.. the Hen's offense is totally without a passing threat.. unless something drastic happens with their QB situation.. the Hens will struggle to win 5 games this year.

[WrenFGun]

See, this is one reason why I hate preseason rankings - it biases the entire season.

Again, you are rewarding Liberty for playing TWO D-II teams, while NAU stepped up and played Arizona State.

I am not rewarding Liberty for playing two DII teams. If anything, I'm penalizing NAU for losing to a good FBS team. I look at Liberty and NAU with 3 wins against FCS competition, and I like Liberty's wins more. Couple that with the fact that I think they have more talent and a better team than NAU, and it's not hard to see the gap in ranking.

[ToTheLeft]

I am not rewarding Liberty for playing two DII teams. If anything, I'm penalizing NAU for losing to a good FBS team. I look at Liberty and NAU with 3 wins against FCS competition, and I like Liberty's wins more. Couple that with the fact that I think they have more talent and a better team than NAU, and it's not hard to see the gap in ranking.

xnodx xnodx

[89Hen]

10 Jacksonville St

I question faulty assumptions, logic. and correct them. :p
You were saying?

[WrenFGun]

We are not top 5. But clearly better than 25.

I question faulty assumptions, logic. and correct them. :p

I think the majority of FCS nation disagrees with those sentiments.

[dbackjon]

You were saying?


Jax St is under-rated. More so than NAU

[WrenFGun]

Why's that? Is it there impressive wins over SEMO, EIU, Chattanooga or Alabama A&M? Or is it perhaps because you like Perriloux and happen to think they're more of a threat than their current resume might indicate? Goodness, where have I heard that before? That doesn't sound like what I think of Liberty at all...

[BisonBacker]

Going in another direction - I can understand Montana having the most significant loss this week, but instead of the knee-jerk reaction of listing Weber St. as having the most significant win (and nudging onto the top 25 list as a result) I would argue that McNeese St. had the most significant win with their win at South Dakota State, therefore solidifying their claim to the #3 position. The impact here is that if they keep winning in the Southland they'll take over #1 when ASU and JMU inevitably stumble in their insanely difficult conference schedules...

McNeese was my most significant win and Montana was the most significant loss xthumbsupx

[dbackjon]

Why's that? Is it there impressive wins over SEMO, EIU, Chattanooga or Alabama A&M? Or is it perhaps because you like Perriloux and happen to think they're more of a threat than their current resume might indicate? Goodness, where have I heard that before? That doesn't sound like what I think of Liberty at all...

:p :p :p

you betcha! xthumbsupx


EIU is a good win, IMHO.

[GeeWiz]

You are right - if NE beat UMass and UNH back to back, it would warrant top 25 consideration. They would be 4-3, with losses to Ball State and Syracuse, and a road OT loss to GSU. Wins over UC-Davis and @Towson.

We get UMass and UNH at home the next two weeks with both games on TV (Comcast Sports NE).

We've beaten UNH the last two years and I think we have a good shot to beat UMass ... if we can keep Coen off the field and getting defensive stops on 3rd down!

Makes for an interesting weekend. xnodx

[OL FU]

I took the unusual approach that if you have a losing season after week 6 you should not be in the poll. I understand SOS differences etc but at some point it comes down to winning games. Those with losing seasons can work their way back in.

[Cocky]

Jax St is under-rated. More so than NAU


I don't have us in my top 25 but I do have EIU. Right now EIU and TSU are the front runners in the OVC. JSU has too many top level road game this year. If we could ever play two halves of football I might have a different opinion but as of now I would rank us somewhere between 30-40.

[OL FU]

I don't have us in my top 25 but I do have EIU. Right now EIU and TSU are the front runners in the OVC. JSU has too many top level road game this year. If we could ever play two halves of football I might have a different opinion but as of now I would rank us somewhere between 30-40.

Are your arms tired from lifting those bags of sandxsmiley_wix

[WrenFGun]

:p :p :p

you betcha! xthumbsupx


EIU is a good win, IMHO.

We each have our motivations, surely. Good luck to NAU the rest of the way.

[89Hen]

Jax St is under-rated.
They are if you use faulty assumptions and bad logic. :)

[WrenFGun]

They are if you use faulty assumptions and bad logic. :)

Heh, come on 89. You know he's just being an NAU homer. I do it for UNH. :)

[drpnut]

How far does Montana, Furple, ELCid, South Illy, fall?

[OL FU]

How far does Montana, Furple, ELCid, South Illy, fall?

Look at page onexwhistlex

[LehighFan11]

Week 6
Approved
1. James Madison
2. Appalachian St.
3. Wofford
4. Cal Poly
5. McNeese St.
6. Richmond
7. Villanova
8. Elon
9. Southern Illinois
10. Northern Iowa
11. New Hampshire
12. Montana
13. North Dakota St.
14. Massachusetts
15. Furman
16. Weber St.
17. South Dakota St.
18. Northern Arizona
19. Liberty
20. The Citadel
21. Georgia Southern
22. Delaware
23. Eastern Washington
24. Jacksonville St.
25. Montana St.
W. Weber St.
L. Eastern Washington

I posted this earlier, not sure how it was deleted. I think the top 15 is very strong and after that there are alot of teams that are undeserving. I don't understand how So Ill is ranked 14th, win vs. Northern Iowa shouldn't be cancelled out because of a loss @ NDSU. Also, who are the 3 people that voted UNH #3?xconfusedx

[jmu_duke07]

I'm curious to know who gave AppState 1st place votes... What's the reasoning?

[danefan]

Week 6

I posted this earlier, not sure how it was deleted. I think the top 15 is very strong and after that there are alot of teams that are undeserving. I don't understand how So Ill is ranked 14th, win vs. Northern Iowa shouldn't be cancelled out because of a loss @ NDSU. Also, who are the 3 people that voted UNH #3?xconfusedx


It wasn't deleted. It was moved to the appropriate place.

Its better to keep all of our own ballots in the AGS Poll board, instead of on the FCS thread. That's why there is two AGS Poll Results threads started.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49058

[already123]

As far as the BSC is concerned....IMO

Montana-16
NAU-19 (need to see more)
Weber-22 (untill they beat MSU, then top 15)

[AGSPoll]

I'm curious to know who gave AppState 1st place votes... What's the reasoning?

AppState did not receive any first place votes

[dbackjon]

I don't have us in my top 25 but I do have EIU. Right now EIU and TSU are the front runners in the OVC. JSU has too many top level road game this year. If we could ever play two halves of football I might have a different opinion but as of now I would rank us somewhere between 30-40.

OK...

You do realize you beat EIU, at EIU :p

You played Ga Tech better than Mississippi State or Duke did.

[HensRock]

E. Washington, Delaware & South Dakota St were all out of my poll. 3 losses through the 1st week of October eventually has to count for something.

UD and EWU I 100% agree and they were out of my poll as well, but SDSU, are you kidding me?? They took McNeese to triple OT!
I have SDSU at #9 in my poll!

If you are wondering why UD fell so far, my guess it is because of the Hen voters who have actually seen them play. This is not a top 25 team until they find a QB - IF they find a QB. As I said above, I completely dropped them off my ballot. It's a shame because they have a really good defense.

[Col Hogan]

I need to see another strong D effort from UMass to rate them higher


I think that's a very fair assessment.....xthumbsupx

[MaxASU'81]

Complaining after beating Chatty?

[Maroon&White]

I think that's a very fair assessment.....xthumbsupx

There will be another reason not to rank them higher a week from now.

[siuham]

Yes, Yes I agree wins over bad Div II teams should be given more weight than BCS games and last minute losses to top ten FCS teams. Note to GSU AD schedule Mars Hill, Weber International, and West Chester next year. Dude we dropped with a blow out win forget being in the top 25.

You dropped two spots....outside of the top 25.

At that point the rankings are essentially a "in no particular order" sort of thing, don't take dropping outside the Top 25 as heavily as you would if you went from 23-25 for blowing out a crappy team.

[89Hen]

You played Ga Tech better than Mississippi State or Duke did.
There's the faulty logic again. Delaware played Maryland better than Cal or Clemson did. xsmiley_wix

[89Hen]

If you are wondering why UD fell so far, my guess it is because of the Hen voters who have actually seen them play.
xnodx Hen fans as a whole have to be the least homerish of any in the polls. Hens were not in my ballot this week either.

[msupokes1]

There's the faulty logic again. Delaware played Maryland better than Cal or Clemson did. xsmiley_wix

McNeese has scored more points and had more total yards on UNC then anyone else they have played. I guess McNeese should be ranked in the FBS top 25.:)

[Rob Iola]

McNeese has scored more points and had more total yards on UNC then anyone else they have played. I guess McNeese should be ranked in the FBS top 25.:)
McNeese is in position to take over the top spot in the FCS polls (AGS, Coaches, you name it) if they take care of business in their conference while watching the CAA and Socon teams bash each others heads in.

And then they'll lose in the first round at home, as per usual...

[dbackjon]

There's the faulty logic again. Delaware played Maryland better than Cal or Clemson did. xsmiley_wix


And there is that selective reading again. It was a reason, not the sole reason. A part of a list. By itself, doesn't mean much. Together, supporting evidence.

[OL FU]

xnodx Hen fans as a whole have to be the least homerish of any in the polls. Hens were not in my ballot this week either.

Furman was not on my ballot until we beat UD and now I am wondering if it was a wise decision after that game:o xbawlingx

[89Hen]

And there is that selective reading again. It was a reason, not the sole reason. A part of a list. By itself, doesn't mean much. Together, supporting evidence.
A VERY short list. Beating EIU and playing somebody tougher than somebody else (who aren't ranked) did does nay equal #10 in my book. JSU and the other OVC teams have disappointed every year since 1998 in the playoffs. How many times to you have to be tricked into thinking one of them is a top 10 team?

[msupokes1]

McNeese is in position to take over the top spot in the FCS polls (AGS, Coaches, you name it) if they take care of business in their conference while watching the CAA and Socon teams bash each others heads in.

And then they'll lose in the first round at home, as per usual...

I think people are taking the Southland too litely this year. UCA and Sam Houston are legite top 25 teams and SFA and SELA don't look all that bad either. What team do you support anyway?

[89Hen]

SFA and SELA don't look all that bad either.
Not bad doesn't equal good IMO. xpeacex

[buckp]

...And then they'll lose in the first round at home, as per usual...

No juju, please!!!! xsmhx ;)

[Grizzaholic]

McNeese is in position to take over the top spot in the FCS polls (AGS, Coaches, you name it) if they take care of business in their conference while watching the CAA and Socon teams bash each others heads in.

And then they'll lose in the first round at home, as per usual...

I don't think EWU will be available to go down there this year. Maybe Weber or Montana, but not EWU.

[msupokes1]

Not bad doesn't equal good IMO. xpeacex

McNeese can't do anything about that. McNeese tried to schedule good out of conference with UNC, Cal Poly, and SDSU. McNeese did take a big hit this weekend with one of the starting WR loss for the season.

[dbackjon]

A VERY short list. Beating EIU and playing somebody tougher than somebody else (who aren't ranked) did does nay equal #10 in my book. JSU and the other OVC teams have disappointed every year since 1998 in the playoffs. How many times to you have to be tricked into thinking one of them is a top 10 team?



Jax State is good. You don't have to believe me. I don't care what conferences have done in the past - that has no bearing on this year. you are letting biases affect your vote xsmhx

[MR. CHICKEN]

[QUOTE=Grizzaholic;1137861]It will be interesting to see how far Montana fell in the other polls compared to how far Montana fell in the AGS poll.

On the AGS poll, Montana has fallen anywhere from 9th to 18th.


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[Rob Iola]

I think people are taking the Southland too litely this year. UCA and Sam Houston are legite top 25 teams and SFA and SELA don't look all that bad either. What team do you support anyway?
Delaware - feel free to take them litely this year. Or just take them. Please.

Look, the Southland's fine and everything (though SFA's recent meltdown against SD State was pretty epic, and McNeese didn't do much better), but when was the last time you made any noise in the playoffs? Last year UD finished 3rd in the CAA South, ASU didn't finish much higher in the Socon, Wofford flew 2000 miles to beat a very good Montana team, the Gateway/MVC had the top ranked team in the nation (UNI) plus a semi-finalist in SIU and now has ND State, etc. My point - the Southland needs to step it up to compete with the likes of the CAA, Socon, MVC, and Big Sky - right now you're kinda tied with the OVC/Big South/Great West...

[Grizzaholic]

[QUOTE=Grizzaholic;1137861]It will be interesting to see how far Montana fell in the other polls compared to how far Montana fell in the AGS poll.

On the AGS poll, Montana has fallen anywhere from 9th to 18th.


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My eyes are bleeding after reading that.xbawlingx

[danefan]

[quote=Grizzaholic;1137861]It will be interesting to see how far Montana fell in the other polls compared to how far Montana fell in the AGS poll.

On the AGS poll, Montana has fallen anywhere from 9th to 18th.


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I don't think the Griz would have fallen as far if they hadn't almost choked against Central Washington the week before. A squeeker against a DII school followed by a loss to an unranked team = big fall, IMO.

[Grizzaholic]

[quote=MR. CHICKEN;1139350]


I don't think the Griz would have fallen as far if they hadn't almost choked against Central Washington the week before. A squeeker against a DII school followed by a loss to an unranked team = big fall, IMO.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the Griz shouldn't have fallen to 12th, or whatever. I was just shocked at seeing the large spread for where AGS'ers had ranked the Griz in the latest poll.

I didn't know if the large spread was due to the fact that a lot of people thought this was, and still might be, going to be the year that the Griz finally fell out of the top 25 and missed the playoffs and were dumping the Griz just because.

[Cocky]

xnodx Hen fans as a whole have to be the least homerish of any in the polls. Hens were not in my ballot this week either.

JSU isn't on my ballot. Not sure if any other JSU fans vote if not then we would at least tie for first in the homerism award.

[FCS Go!]

[QUOTE=MR. CHICKEN;1139350]

My eyes are bleeding after reading that.xbawlingx

Yeah but the Griz were ranked too high @ #3. I had them at 7 and have dropped them to 14. It could get worse though- a Griz loss at EWU coupled with a Cal Poly loss at SDSU the next week and the Griz will be in the 20s at best, even with a win against Sac.

[MR. CHICKEN]

[QUOTE=Grizzaholic;1137861]It will be interesting to see how far Montana fell in the other polls compared to how far Montana fell in the AGS poll.

On the AGS poll, Montana has fallen anywhere from 9th to 18th.

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[MCFAN]

Delaware - feel free to take them litely this year. Or just take them. Please.

Look, the Southland's fine and everything (though SFA's recent meltdown against SD State was pretty epic, and McNeese didn't do much better), but when was the last time you made any noise in the playoffs? Last year UD finished 3rd in the CAA South, ASU didn't finish much higher in the Socon, Wofford flew 2000 miles to beat a very good Montana team, the Gateway/MVC had the top ranked team in the nation (UNI) plus a semi-finalist in SIU and now has ND State, etc. My point - the Southland needs to step it up to compete with the likes of the CAA, Socon, MVC, and Big Sky - right now you're kinda tied with the OVC/Big South/Great West...
The southland had a finalist in 2002 and semi-finalist in 2004 & 2005. I agree as of late McNeese has struggled in the first round but I think the conference as a whole has performed better than you're saying.

[JackTwice]

E. Washington, Delaware & South Dakota St were all out of my poll. 3 losses through the 1st week of October eventually has to count for something.

South Dakota State has losses to #3, #8 and an FBS plus 3 FCS wins including #17 and they should be out? xnonox

[james_lawfirm]

Delaware - feel free to take them litely this year. Or just take them. Please.

Look, the Southland's fine and everything (though SFA's recent meltdown against SD State was pretty epic, and McNeese didn't do much better), but when was the last time you made any noise in the playoffs? Last year UD finished 3rd in the CAA South, ASU didn't finish much higher in the Socon, Wofford flew 2000 miles to beat a very good Montana team, the Gateway/MVC had the top ranked team in the nation (UNI) plus a semi-finalist in SIU and now has ND State, etc. My point - the Southland needs to step it up to compete with the likes of the CAA, Socon, MVC, and Big Sky - right now you're kinda tied with the OVC/Big South/Great West...

FYI, ASU finished 2007 as co-champions in the SoCon - tied w/ Wofford. So, strictly speaking, you're right. First place is not much higher than third. I only mention this to start an argument.

[jlcharles]

I don't get it. Who voted Nova #1? I think you forgot a zero. Haha. Seriously though, JMU is top dog in the CAA until they lose.

[MR. CHICKEN]

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