FCS At-Large Playoff Elibility

[FargoBison]

I was bored and kind of interested in how a few teams stand so I did a little research. I think I got it right, but please tell me if I screwed up. Of course the few eliminated teams could still win their conference auto.

Here is a breakdown of what every FCS team needs to do to get 7 DI wins...

Big Sky
NAU(4-1) must go at least 4-2
WSU(4-2) must go 5-1
MSU(3-2) must go 6-1
PSU(2-3) must go 6-0
EWU(2-3) must go 6-0
Sac St(3-3) must go 6-0
UM(4-1) must go 4-3
UNC(0-4) must go 7-0
ISU(0-5) must go 7-0

Big South
Liberty(5-0) must go at least 4-3
CSU(2-3) must go 6-0
VMI(2-3) must go 6-0
Stony Brook(1-4) must go 6-0
CCU(3-3) must go 4-2
GW(2-3) must go 6-0

CAA
JMU(5-1) must go at least 2-3
UNH(4-0) must go 3-4
NU(2-3) must go 5-2
Nova(4-1) must go 3-3
Mass(3-2) must go 4-2
UR(4-2) must go 3-3
Hofstra(2-3) must go 5-2
W&M(2-2) must go 5-2
UD(3-2) must go 6-1
Towson(2-4) must go 5-1
Maine(2-3) must go 5-2
URI(2-4) must go 5-1

Great West
Cal Poly(3-1) must go at least 5-1*
UCD(2-4) must go 5-0
SUU Eliminated
--* Cal Poly has one game canceled due to a hurricane

MEAC
Hampton(4-1) must go at least 3-3
SCSU(4-2) must go 4-2
B-CU(4-1) must go 3-3
NSU(2-3) must go 6-1
DSU(1-3) must go 6-1
FAMU(3-2) must go 4-3
MSU(2-3) must go 5-2
NCAT(2-4) must 6-0
Howard(1-4) must go 6-0

MVFC
Ill St(2-2) must go at least 5-2
SDSU(3-3) must go 4-2
YSU(2-4) must go 6-0
NDSU(3-2) must go 4-2
WIU(3-2) must go 5-1
SIU(2-2) must go 5-2
UNI(3-2) must go 5-2
MSU(1-3) must go 6-1
INSU(0-5) must go 7-0

NEC
MU(3-3) must go at least 5-0
SHU(5-0) must go 4-2
CCSU(4-1) must go 4-2
Albany(2-3) must go 5-1
Duq.(2-2) must go 5-1
Wagner(2-3) must go 5-1
RMU(1-4) must go 6-0
St Francis eliminated

OVC
TSU(5-1) must go at least 2-4
Jax St(4-1) must go 3-3
T-M(4-2) must go 4-2
EKU(3-2) must go 4-1
TTU(3-3) must go 5-1
MSU(2-4) must go 6-0
EIU(2-3) must go 5-2
SEMO(2-4) must go 6-0
APSU Eliminated

Patriot League
Lafayette(3-1) must go at least 4-3
Colgate(3-2) must go 4-2*
HC(1-3) must go 6-1
Bucknell(3-1) must go 4-3
Lehigh(1-3) must go 6-1
Fordham(2-2) must go 5-2
GU(1-3) must go 6-0*
--*Georgetown and Colgate have a ppd game

Pioneer
USD(5-0) must go at least 4-2
Dayton(4-1) must go 5-2
Butler(3-1) must go 6-0
Morehead(3-2) must go 5-1
Jacksonville(2-3) must go 6-0
Davidson(2-2) must go 6-0
Valpo Eliminated
Drake Eliminated

SoCon
Elon(5-1) must go at least 2-4
Wofford(3-1) must go 4-3
App St(3-2) must go 4-3
FU(4-2) must go 4-2
Citadel((3-2) must go 5-2
Samford(3-2) must go 6-0
GSU(3-3) must go 4-1
WCU(2-4) must go 6-0
Chattanooga Eliminated

Southland
SFA(2-3) must go at least 6-1
MSU(3-1) must go 6-1*
SHSU(2-1) must go 6-1*
TSU(3-2) must go 5-2
NW St(3-2) must go 6-1
NSU(0-2) must go 7-0*
SELA(3-2) must go 6-0
--* denotes teams with games canceled due to hurricanes

Indepedents
Iona Eliminated
SSU Eliminated
Marist Eliminated

[Reign of Terrier]

I was bored and kind of interest in how a few teams stand so I did a little research. I think I got it right, but please tell me if I screwed up. Of course the few eliminated teams could still win their conference auto.

Here is a breakdown of what every FCS team needs to do to get 7 DI wins...

Big Sky
NAU(4-1) must go at least 4-2
WSU(3-2) must go 5-1
MSU(3-2) must go 6-1
PSU(2-3) must go 6-0
EWU(2-3) must go 6-0
Sac St(3-3) must go 6-0
UM(4-1) must go 4-3
UNC(0-4) must go 7-0
ISU must go 7-0

Big South
Liberty(5-0) must go at least 4-3
CSU(2-3) must go 6-0
VMI(2-3) must go 6-0
Stony Brook(1-4) must go 6-0
CCU(3-3) must go 4-2
GW(2-3) must go 6-0

CAA
JMU(5-1) must go at least 2-3
UNH(4-0) must go 3-4
NU(2-3) must go 5-2
Nova(4-1) must go 3-3
Mass(3-2) must go 4-2
UR(4-2) must go 3-3
Hofstra(2-3) must go 5-2
W&M(2-2) must go 5-2
UD(3-2) must go 6-1
Towson(2-4) must go 5-1
Maine(2-3) must go 5-2
URI(2-4) must go 5-1

Great West
Cal Poly(3-1) must go at least 5-1
UCD(2-4) must go 5-0
SUU Eliminated

MEAC
Hampton(4-1) must go at least 3-3
SCSU(4-2) must go 4-2
B-CU(4-1) must go 3-3
NSU(2-3) must go 6-1
DSU(1-3) must go 6-1
FAMU(3-2) must go 4-3
MSU(2-3) must go 5-2
NCAT(2-4) must 6-0
Howard(1-4) must go 6-0

MVFC
Ill St(2-2) must go at least 5-2
SDSU(3-3) must go 4-2
YSU(2-4) must go 6-0
NDSU(3-2) must go 4-2
WIU(3-2) must go 5-1
SIU(2-2) must go 5-2
UNI(3-2) must go 5-2
MSU(1-3) must go 6-1
INSU(0-5) must go 7-0

NEC
MU(3-3) must go at least 5-0
SHU(5-0) must go 4-2
CCSU(4-1) must go 4-2
Albany(2-3) must go 5-1
Duq.(2-2) must go 5-1
Wagner(2-3) must go 5-1
RMU(1-4) must go 6-0
St Francis eliminated

OVC
TSU(5-1) must go at least 2-4
Jax St(4-1) must go 3-3
T-M(4-2) must go 4-2
EKU(3-2) must go 4-1
TTU(3-3) must go 5-1
MSU(2-4) must go 6-0
EIU(2-3) must go 5-2
SEMO(2-4) must go 6-0
APSU Eliminated

Patriot League
Lafayette(3-1) must go 4-3
Colgate(3-2) must go 4-2*
HC(1-3) must go 6-1
Bucknell(3-1) must go 4-3
Lehigh(1-3) must go 6-1
Fordham(2-2) must go 5-2
GU(1-3) must go 6-0*
--Georgetown and Colgate have a ppd game

Pioneer
USD(5-0) must go 4-2
Dayton(4-1) must go 5-2
Butler(3-1) must go 6-0
Morehead(3-2) must go 5-1
Jacksonville(2-3) must go 6-0
Davidson(2-2) must go 6-0
Valpo Eliminated
Drake Eliminated

SoCon
Elon(5-1) must go at least 2-4
Wofford(3-1) must go 4-3
App St(3-2) must go 4-3
FU(4-2) must go 4-2
Citadel((3-2) must go 5-2
Samford(3-2) must go 6-0
GSU(3-3) must go 4-1
WCU(2-4) must go 6-0
Chattanooga Eliminated

Southland
SFA(2-3) must go at least 6-1
MSU(3-1) must go 6-1
SHSU(2-1) must go 6-1
TSU(3-2) must go 5-2
NW St(3-2) must go 6-1
NSU(0-2) must go 7-0
SELA(3-2) must go 6-0

Indepedents
Iona Eliminated
SSU Eliminated
Marist Eliminated

Right now if you need to win the rest of your games and you're .500 or lower you're pretty much in the hole. In the Socon WCU,Samford, and the Citadel are pretty much out of it too. GSU and Furman still have a chance.

[kirkblitz]

there is hope!!!!!

[kirkblitz]

Also could you please update this thread each week for us who need a miracle? THanks

[FargoBison]

Also could you please update this thread each week for us who need a miracle? THanks

I can do that, I saved all the info so it should be pretty easy to update it.

[FargoBison]

Right now if you need to win the rest of your games and you're .500 or lower you're pretty much in the hole. In the Socon WCU,Samford, and the Citadel are pretty much out of it too. GSU and Furman still have a chance.

I agree with that, and with that in mind it should be interesting to see how the Big Sky ends up. Some good teams but many are already living life on the edge. Could be quite a battle for the auto in that conference.

I also wonder how the hurricane games will affect the SLC teams in getting an at-large, a few teams are already in tough shape and it would be hard to hold a teams up to a 7 win standard if a natural disaster canceled a game or two.

[I Bleed Purple]

Weber State is 4-2.

[TexasTerror]

Put an '*' next to the schools impacted by the hurricanes. While it has not happened before, the committee is willing to grant some help to schools who did not play the 11 games due to the storms...

[Col Hogan]

Put an '*' next to the schools impacted by the hurricanes. While it has not happened before, the committee is willing to grant some help to schools who did not play the 11 games due to the storms...

TT, I gotta ask...

How do you know "the committee is willing"...

Has this ever happened...is there history...or are you "connected"...xpeacex

[TexasTerror]

TT, I gotta ask...

How do you know "the committee is willing"...

Has this ever happened...is there history...or are you "connected"...xpeacex

What are you going to do? Tell a team that is 6-1 that they can not go to the playoffs? Come on now!

Our AD at SHSU -- Bobby Williams -- was a member of the committee. He was around during Katrina and Rita years on the committee. He has said as much in a few interviews I've heard.

As of this point in time, it does not look like an issue. Could become one (we'll see), but no team has gotten help and waived from the rule as of yet...

[Col Hogan]

What are you going to do? Tell a team that is 6-1 that they can not go to the playoffs? Come on now!

Our AD at SHSU -- Bobby Williams -- was a member of the committee. He was around during Katrina and Rita years on the committee. He has said as much in a few interviews I've heard.

As of this point in time, it does not look like an issue. Could become one (we'll see), but no team has gotten help and waived from the rule as of yet...

So, the answer is history...you know the history better than I...and I asked...

I wonder....that's all...xpeacex

[grizband]

Nice job FargoBison. I have kept a similar tally each week the past two years, but looks like this year you beat me to the punch. xthumbsupx

[albanysupporter]

Right now if you need to win the rest of your games and you're .500 or lower you're pretty much in the hole. In the Socon WCU,Samford, and the Citadel are pretty much out of it too. GSU and Furman still have a chance.

I though you had to win your division along with beat two top 25 teams and be ranked in the top 16 to even get a chance for an at large bid

[appfan2008]

Thanks for compiling that info that is very interesting... a lot of teams already on the ropes...

[DetroitFlyer]

With so many teams struggling, all of a sudden a 5-0 USD and a 5-0 Sacred Heart are looking good! By season's end, Dayton and Albany might be back in the discussion again as well. In fact, we could potentially see MULTIPLE teams from the NEC and PFL under consideration. Say that Sacred Heart only loses to Albany and Albany wins the NEC.... Maybe Dayton defeats USD and both finish with only one loss.... Is this the year that the PFL and/or NEC finally get an invite?

Well, if I were a betting man, I'm sure the third place team in the OVC would get in before any PFL or NEC team. That good ole boy network thing that says yous pays yours money, yous buy your bid....xcoolx

[Grizzaholic]

So, you are saying MT can have 4 conference losses and might still get an at large bid??? I would like some of what you have been smoking. Next weekend is the decider to which team has a chance to get an atlarge, EWU or MT. MT can only have one more conference loss to have a shot at it.

[aceinthehole]

With so many teams struggling, all of a sudden a 5-0 USD and a 5-0 Sacred Heart are looking good! By season's end, Dayton and Albany might be back in the discussion again as well. In fact, we could potentially see MULTIPLE teams from the NEC and PFL under consideration. Say that Sacred Heart only loses to Albany and Albany wins the NEC.... Maybe Dayton defeats USD and both finish with only one loss.... Is this the year that the PFL and/or NEC finally get an invite?

Well, if I were a betting man, I'm sure the third place team in the OVC would get in before any PFL or NEC team. That good ole boy network thing that says yous pays yours money, yous buy your bid....xcoolx

Stop it!!!! Sacred Heart has two D-II wins and two wins over former MAAC members. They haven't played anyone! No reasonable person considers them a legit team. Albany, CCSU, Monmouth, and Duquesne have yet to face the Pioneers. SHU will go no better than 1-4 in their final 5 games!

[ToTheLeft]

This isn't saying "If you win this many games, you are in the playoffs".

It's just a simple way to see who is mathematically still able to reach 7 DI wins, which is a precursor to being picked as an at large.

If Liberty goes 4-3 from here on out, they won't even begin to be considered for an at Large, in fact, they probably have to run the table, or lose only to Elon and keep it close.

[DetroitFlyer]

Stop it!!!! Sacred Heart has two D-II wins and two wins over former MAAC members. They haven't played anyone! No reasonable person considers them a legit team. Albany, CCSU, Monmouth, and Duquesne have yet to face the Pioneers. SHU will go no better than 1-4 in their final 5 games!

Yep, just like ALL the NEC posters here predicted that Robert Morris would "easily" handle Sacred Heart....

You may be correct, but I have a feeling that is why they play the games!

[aceinthehole]

Yep, just like ALL the NEC posters here predicted that Robert Morris would "easily" handle Sacred Heart....

You may be correct, but I have a feeling that is why they play the games!

No. I picked SHU over RMU.
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1133730&postcount=21


I also will have SHU over St. Francis this week. 6-0 start for SHU - big deal.

[danefan]

I though you had to win your division along with beat two top 25 teams and be ranked in the top 16 to even get a chance for an at large bid

That only applies to the NEC. And welcome to the board! Another Danes fan around.xthumbsupx

[WrenFGun]

The Big Sky is really interesting. The only two teams that can afford more than one loss outside of winning the BSC altogether are Montana and Northern Arizona. As a fan of a team from another major conference, I'll be rooting for Montana to effectively eliminate Eastern Washington this upcoming weekend, and I'll be pulling for either Montana or NAU to win the BSC.

In the CAA, interesting to see the dire straights of UD, who cannot afford to lose more than one the rest of the way, with 'Nova, JMU and Richmond on the dockett. Good luck to them. Interesting that UNH (along with Tennessee State and Elon) can go under .500 and reach 7 DI wins. With that said, UNH would not be invited in that scenario, and neither would TSU. Though this information sheds some interesting information on the OVC, as that conference could take some bids. They seem to normally get two, but UT-Martin, TSU, EKU and JSU (particularly TSU and JSU) are looking nice right now. I've got both TSU and JSU in my current poll.

Elon looks to be in GREAT shape, too.

[UNHWildCats]

With so many teams struggling, all of a sudden a 5-0 USD and a 5-0 Sacred Heart are looking good! By season's end, Dayton and Albany might be back in the discussion again as well. In fact, we could potentially see MULTIPLE teams from the NEC and PFL under consideration. Say that Sacred Heart only loses to Albany and Albany wins the NEC.... Maybe Dayton defeats USD and both finish with only one loss.... Is this the year that the PFL and/or NEC finally get an invite?

Well, if I were a betting man, I'm sure the third place team in the OVC would get in before any PFL or NEC team. That good ole boy network thing that says yous pays yours money, yous buy your bid....xcoolx
And the comedy show begins....

you didnt seriously just put Sacred Heart into playoff disucssion did you?

Assumption, Bentley, Marist, Robert Morris and Iona xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[DetroitFlyer]

And the comedy show begins....

you didnt seriously just put Sacred Heart into playoff disucssion did you?

Assumption, Bentley, Marist, Robert Morris and Iona xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

Comedy indeed.... Let me guess, you were another one of those FCS fans that thought Robert Morris would put a hurtin on Sacred Heart Saturday.... 5-0 now, probably soon to be 6-0 heading into the Albany game. At this point in the season, Sacred Heart has as much of a claim to the playoff discussion as any other UNDEFEATED team!

Guess what? I hear tell that they will actually really play the rest of the games this season.... By the end of the season, we'll know if Sacred Heart is still in the discussion.

[crusader11]

Comedy indeed.... Let me guess, you were another one of those FCS fans that thought Robert Morris would put a hurtin on Sacred Heart Saturday.... 5-0 now, probably soon to be 6-0 heading into the Albany game. At this point in the season, Sacred Heart has as much of a claim to the playoff discussion as any other UNDEFEATED team!

Guess what? I hear tell that they will actually really play the rest of the games this season.... By the end of the season, we'll know if Sacred Heart is still in the discussion.

I can't tell if you're being serious or just baiting everyone on this board.

[FargoBison]

Elimination games for this week...
Teams in bold must win...

Big Sky
UNC vs Idaho State
Montana vs EWU
PSU vs NAU

Big South
CSU vs SSU
CCU vs VMI
GW vs Georgia Tech
Stony Brook vs Liberty

CAA
None

Great West
SUU vs UCD

MEAC
Morgan State vs NC A&T

MVFC
Indiana State vs SIU

NEC
Monmouth vs Wagner
Duquesne vs Robert Morris

OVC
TTU vs Murray State

Patriot League
Penn vs Georgetown

Pioneer
Davidson vs Valpo

SoCon
WCU vs Furman
App St vs Samford

SLC
Nicholls State vs NW St

[ToTheLeft]

Well, there's plenty of teams sure to be eliminated... GW, Samford, WCU, The loser of UNC/ISU, and probably many more will find their hopes for 7 DI wins smashed.

[Grizzaholic]

Elimination games for this week...
Teams in bold must win...

Big Sky
UNC vs Idaho State
Montana vs EWU
PSU vs NAU

Big South
CSU vs SSU
CCU vs VMI
GW vs Georgia Tech
Stony Brook vs Liberty

CAA
None

Great West
SUU vs UCD

MEAC
Morgan State vs NC A&T

MVFC
Indiana State vs SIU

NEC
Monmouth vs Wagner
Duquesne vs Robert Morris

OVC
TTU vs Murray State

Patriot League
Penn vs Georgetown

Pioneer
Davidson vs Valpo

SoCon
WCU vs Furman
App St vs Samford

SLC
Nicholls State vs NW St


You also might want to BOLD Montana.

[dbackjon]

You also might want to BOLD Montana.


Even a 9-3 Montana makes the playoffs...

[gt_bison]

Well, there's plenty of teams sure to be eliminated... GW, Samford, WCU, The loser of UNC/ISU, and probably many more will find their hopes for 7 DI wins smashed.

Yeah, GW stands no chance in Atlanta. The question is more will Paul Johnson clear the bench and still get a shutout? (Glad that I'll be up in Fargo for a much better game in the FFD.) Put InSU on the list of this weekend's fatalities; there's no way they get past the Salukis the week after they got come back on so brutally in Fargo.

[Grizzaholic]

Even a 9-3 Montana makes the playoffs...

I just do not see it. Can somebody please explain it to me. I must have the stupid hat on today. With losses to WSU, EWU, and either MSU or NAU. You honestly think Montana makes the playoffs? If that occurs, I would seriously question the commitee if who gets in really depends on their record as much as how much money can be made if said team gets in.

[FargoBison]

I just do not see it. Can somebody please explain it to me. I must have the stupid hat on today. With losses to WSU, EWU, and either MSU or NAU. You honestly think Montana makes the playoffs? If that occurs, I would seriously question the commitee if who gets in really depends on their record as much as how much money can be made if said team gets in.

Montana makes it at 9-3, that Cal Poly win was large. The chance is made even greater because a lot of teams could eliminate themselves. Every team but Montana and NAU is sitting on the edge of playoff eligiblity in the Big Sky.

[Grizzaholic]

Montana makes it at 9-3, that Cal Poly win was large. The chance is made even greater because a lot of teams could eliminate themselves. Every team but Montana and NAU is sitting on the edge of playoff eligiblity in the Big Sky.

But one win, does not make a season. I know it is still really early in BSC play but if WSU doesn't faulter it could be a long year for Montana and others.

[Green26]

UM made the playoffs with an 8-3 record in '03, '98 and '97. In '03, UM had a D-II loss (NDS). This was before more I-AA teams were playing I-A games, and often losing.

Look at the records of the top 25 teams now. Nine of them from last week's top 25 coaches poll have 2 losses and 4 have 3 losses already, and their (tough) conference games are just beginning.

There aren't going to be many teams from top conferences with records better than 9-3 this year, is my guess.

[gt_bison]

This may have been discussed already, but any idea how teams that chose an 11-game schedule versus a 12-game schedule (not thinking of those that lost games due to hurricanes at the moment) will be considered? Of the MVFC contenders, looks like an even split between 11 and 12 games. If you've got an 8-3 team compared to an 8-4 team, will the committee look at the 8 and ignore the loss counts and look at who the games were against, or does one of the teams get an automatic advantage of some sort, even if it's small?

[ToTheLeft]

This may have been discussed already, but any idea how teams that chose an 11-game schedule versus a 12-game schedule (not thinking of those that lost games due to hurricanes at the moment) will be considered? Of the MVFC contenders, looks like an even split between 11 and 12 games. If you've got an 8-3 team compared to an 8-4 team, will the committee look at the 8 and ignore the loss counts and look at who the games were against, or does one of the teams get an automatic advantage of some sort, even if it's small?

I mentioned this before, and I am not sure if it got any discussion... but this brings up some interesting scenarios...

I think that all the "arbitrary" numbers people use, like 7 wins, 8 wins, 3 losses, need to be thrown out the window, and we need to take a closer look at each team rather than just letting the "record speak for itself".

That being said, I would hope that 8-3 is better than 8-4... but it all depends on what the 8 are, and what the 3 or 4 are.

[danefan]

I mentioned this before, and I am not sure if it got any discussion... but this brings up some interesting scenarios...

I think that all the "arbitrary" numbers people use, like 7 wins, 8 wins, 3 losses, need to be thrown out the window, and we need to take a closer look at each team rather than just letting the "record speak for itself".

That being said, I would hope that 8-3 is better than 8-4... but it all depends on what the 8 are, and what the 3 or 4 are.

Until the committee changes the criteria they use, why should we? The committee says that 7 wins shall be the guideline and they follow it.


with that being said, the 12 versus 11 game schedule should cause some interesting discussion.

I think there is going to be some very deserving teams left home this year.

[ToTheLeft]

Oh, I don't mean to say that a team with 6 wins should get in...

I just don't think that 7 is going to be such a magical number this year. Getting to 7 means very little, that's all I'm trying to say.

I'm not saying the criteria is different, just the basement for getting in will naturally be raised based on the 12 game schedules.

[FargoBison]

I mentioned this before, and I am not sure if it got any discussion... but this brings up some interesting scenarios...

I think that all the "arbitrary" numbers people use, like 7 wins, 8 wins, 3 losses, need to be thrown out the window, and we need to take a closer look at each team rather than just letting the "record speak for itself".

That being said, I would hope that 8-3 is better than 8-4... but it all depends on what the 8 are, and what the 3 or 4 are.

I like the 7 DI win standard, it helps to punish teams that fluff up there records with non-DI teams. Besides if you can't beat 7 DI teams in an 11 or 12 game schedule you don't belong in the playoffs.

[ToTheLeft]

I agree. Like Liberty last year... there was a lot of talk about us making it around campus and such, but at the end of the day, we didn't beat 7 D-I teams, and really didn't deserve to make it to the playoffs.

[gt_bison]

That being said, I would hope that 8-3 is better than 8-4... but it all depends on what the 8 are, and what the 3 or 4 are.

That's more or less my thought process. All other things being equal, three losses is better than four losses, but you've got to dig into who the W's and L's are, since all other things are rarely equal. 8-4 with no FBS game vs. 8-3 with an FBS loss should probably be a no brainer, for instance. I'm really worried about the NDSU loss to YSU unless YSU gets things together again. If the Bison were to win out (tough with a road game at UNI yet to come and some tough home games, too), there's nothing to worry about. Losing to someone like UNI in the UNIdome or even to WIU or SDSU this year wouldn't look bad, but with that stinky loss at YSU (and an implosion at Wyoming) on the record, I'd be very worried about if an 8-3 Bison team would make the playoffs. Lots of football to be played before then, of course, so we shall see.

[ToTheLeft]

Yeah, you and me both would like to see Penguins start to assert some dominance and move up the rankings again.