SIU @ NDSU

[spelunker64]

Really, this hasn't been started yet???

Bison by a TD!

[BisonBabe]

No more injuries I hope as well.

[WestRiverBison]

It should be a battle. If the Bison don't come out seriously jacked-up to play this game they never will. Two close road losses, bye week, time to get after it boys.

[UNIFanSince1983]

If you can hold Warner for SIU down, and Roehl has a big game I think NDSU can win handily. The challenge will be holding Warner down...

[spelunker64]

If you can hold Warner for SIU down, and Roehl has a big game I think NDSU can win handily. The challenge will be holding Warner down...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQIegMSiH54

[Killsback]

Should be an interesting game. Lennon says the Fargo Dome is the loudest he has ever played in. I maintain that the "Sold Out" UNI dome and the Montana playoff games were the two loudest I have ever been a part of. It remains to be seen how the Salukis fare going on the silent count. They did very well at UNI last November, but that was with Nick Hill at QB and not a redshirt sophomore at the helm.

My gut feeling is that N Dakota State rolls the Salukis in this one. But if the Saluki "D" can force turnovers like it did against UNI then it could be a completely different game.

[Go Bison]

NDSU needs to shut down the run and score early. Playing from behind is not the Bison's strength this year.

[Houndawg]

NDSU needs to shut down the run and score early. Playing from behind is not the Bison's strength this year.

Same for SIU. Scoring first was the only way we beat UNI and we'll need the same to beat NDSU plus a low scoring game with a break on special teams.
I said before the season that if we were 2-2 after the first four games we'd be in a real good position to get into the playoffs. 3-1 would be exceeding expectations but I think NDSU has more riding on the game than SIU does. Bison by 10, unfortunately.

[X-Factor]

Hey!!! spelunker. You should know you can't start a SIU/NDSU thread without having a poll! Add one dude xeyebrowx



xlolx

[BisonBacker]

No score predictions just want a Bison Win.

[footballer23]

Bohl says the Bison are all healthy and there will be a steady diet of fundamentals after the way our defense has fallen apart. I'd say two weeks of that should help our rush-defense problems. At least I hope it does...

[WestRiverBison]

Hopefully Tyler Henry watched a little run-stuffing video from last year featuring #8! :D

[Screamin_Eagle174]

It should be a battle. If the Bison don't come out seriously jacked-up to play this game they never will. Two close road losses, bye week, time to get after it boys.

That some kind of sick compliment to your conference counterparts? xlolx

[WestRiverBison]

That some kind of sick compliment to your conference counterparts? xlolx

Umm, that would be negative!! xnonox

[spelunker64]

Hey!!! spelunker. You should know you can't start a SIU/NDSU thread without having a poll! Add one dude xeyebrowx



xlolx

too late...polls schmolls

[SO ILLmatic]

i would give the Bison 7.5 if I was in Vegas.

I think Warner has another big game, most likely giving the Dawgs a lead going into half time
But we come out flat once again in the 2nd half and cant overcome the Homecoming crowd.

[spelunker64]

Looks like it'll be tailgating in the upper 30s for Saturday morning. Should be in line for the lot by 6:30am :D

[spelunker64]

23 hrs I'll be in the lot with a cool one in hand, nice thing is it'll stay cool as well...

[uofmman1122]

I like the Bison in this one.

I think they'll avenge the Youngstown loss, and right the ship. I still have them as a playoff probable.

NDSU 35 - SIU 31

[jmc_jackrabbit]

Tough place to play. Bison have something to prove. We've gone in there thinking we had a great chance and NDSU has a way of making plays at the right moment to take the air out of your team.

NDSU 31
SIU 21

[BisonBabe]

Looks like it'll be tailgating in the upper 30s for Saturday morning. Should be in line for the lot by 6:30am :D

We should get there around 9ish have to transport juniorette and friends to Girlscout sleepover tonight and back again tomorrow morning.

[darell1976]

Last time Dale Lennon faced the Bison in the Fargodome October 12, 2002 in a 12-6 win for the Fighting Sioux. But things are different now, i predict NDSU 35 SIU 31. Good game but the Salukis come up short, btw we will see you SIU later this year.:)

[spelunker64]

But things are different now, i predict NDSU 35 SIU 31. Good game but the Salukis come up short, btw we will see you SIU later this year.:)

Thank you captain understatement... :D

[Hansel]

High in the upper 60's in Fargo and Sunny tomorrow- should be a good tailgatin' crowd

[spelunker64]

Noticed agsadmin is a bit slow on his daily updates in the NDSU donators thread

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48749

[skinny_uncle]

I look for the Salukis to get another single digit win. possibly in OT. This could be the beginning of another great rivalry.

[X-Factor]

Get ready for the loudest and most intense football atmosphere in the MVFC! Bison, at home, pull out a win against a good team. 19000-20000 screaming fans should be the deciding factor in this matchup.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

We could get 20k for this game if the ticket office sells more standing room only for the corners.

Bison win........2 tds

[UNIFanSince1983]

Well Southern Illinois is no stranger to loud domes, just ask them what it was like last year when they visited the true loudest and most intense atmosphere in the MVFC. That being said they haven't won in our dome since 1983.

I will be curious to hear what the SIU fans say about the comparisons between the two domed atmospheres in the MVFC after the game. Overall, I hope for a good game where the Bison come out victorious!

[Drblankstare]

I think the Bison win, by two scores. Of course thats what I thought about the YSU game also. MUST control the line of scrimmage.

[Hambone]

Dale has SIU ready for the Fargodome atmosphere, and SIU hangs in there until the end but come up short. TR has a big game running the ball for the Bision and the Bison win 28-20 with the Bison D getting a big stop in the red zone with under a minute to play.

Should be a great game! xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[Pantherpower]

I have a lot of respect for SIU and this is going to sound like sour grapes after SIU beat UNI, but I don't think this year's SIU squad is anywhere near as talented as last years. I would expect to see NDSU win this by about two td's. NDSU doesn't seem to be as talented this year either, but I still think they take care of the Salukis at home.

Again, SIU beat UNI on the scoreboard where it counts and you have to give them credit and respect for that, but all many Panther fans could think was "we really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory."

[X-Factor]

Well Southern Illinois is no stranger to loud domes, just ask them what it was like last year when they visited the true loudest and most intense atmosphere in the MVFC. That being said they haven't won in our dome since 1983.

I will be curious to hear what the SIU fans say about the comparisons between the two domed atmospheres in the MVFC after the game. Overall, I hope for a good game where the Bison come out victorious!

19,000-20,000 > 9,000

[Pantherpower]

19,000-20,000 > 9,000

19-20,000 > 16-17,000. However, on October 19, UNI > NDSU.;)

[X-Factor]

19-20,000 > 16-17,000. However, on October 19, UNI > NDSU.;)

number of seats only counts when there are butts in them xsmiley_wix

We sell out our place for Thursday games against lesser opponents (Austin Peay), looks like you guys drew about 9k for Nichols.

Should be one tough game in Cedar Falls in a few weeks xeekx

[Pantherpower]

Maybe 9,000 but not a person more. It was a horrible atmosphere compared to what we've experienced in recent years. That 16-17,000 figure will be spot on when the Bison come to town.

[Houndawg]

I have a lot of respect for SIU and this is going to sound like sour grapes after SIU beat UNI, but I don't think this year's SIU squad is anywhere near as talented as last years. I would expect to see NDSU win this by about two td's. NDSU doesn't seem to be as talented this year either, but I still think they take care of the Salukis at home.

Again, SIU beat UNI on the scoreboard where it counts and you have to give them credit and respect for that, but all many Panther fans could think was "we really snatched defeat from the jaws of victory."

Understandable, UNI is the better team right now. We felt like we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory last year after throwing for 436 yards and coming up short because of four TOs and no flags on UNI until the 4th quarter. I had to work Saturday night so I didn't see the game live. Whether or not UNI snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, imo, depends on whether the fumbles were giveaways or takeaways.

[onbison09]

9 minutes!!

[onbison09]

Here come the Bison!!!!

[onbison09]

SIU to take the ball.

[onbison09]

SIU to Bison 44 already.

[onbison09]

SIU down to 24.

[skinny_uncle]

Salukis up 3-0 on a FG.

[skinny_uncle]

NDSU misses a FG.
Still SIU 3 NDSU 0

[skinny_uncle]

Salukis with a FG attempt to start the second quarter.
Good
SIU 6 NDSU 0

[Mountain Panther]

Sellout crowd in Fargo?

Is T Roehl playing?

[Saluki09]

NDSU fumble...SIU recovers

[pather]

Sellout crowd in Fargo?

Is T Roehl playing?

yes and yes

[Saluki09]

SIU Touchdown

Extra point good 13-0 SIU

[pather]

dieker to kernes touchdown SIU

13-0 dawgs

[skinny_uncle]

TD Salukis
Catch by TE Kernes
SIU 13 NDSU 0

[pather]

huge run by NDSU on a screen play

[Saluki09]

4th and 10 NDSU at SIU 25
NDSU misses 42 yard field goal

[pather]

NDSU misses another FG

[Mountain Panther]

Wow NDSU laying an egg in the first quarter.

[Saluki09]

Wow NDSU laying an egg in the first quarter.

It's actually the second quarter now

[pather]

we are well into the 2nd quarter

[LetsGoSioux!]

Once again watching the bison lose on statewide TV. Crazy to hear the Fargodome booing their team this early, is that typical?

[pather]

dieker is playing like joe allaria the way he is running haha

[LetsGoSioux!]

Late hit out of bounds??? Come on Coach Boll, how about some discipline for your guys?

[pather]

NDSU just gave SIU a first down. short of a 1st on 3rd and 8 by like 5 yards and then a hit WAY out of bounds and after the play by richardson

[pather]

TOUCHDOWNNNNN

[Houndawg]

We need more points. We've been outscored 41-0 in the 3rd qtr.; this would be a good halftime for Lennon to act out of character and get fired up.

[Saluki09]

3rd and 9

11 yard pass for touchdown

Extra point good 20-0 SIU 2:09 left in 2nd quarter

[skinny_uncle]

Wow!

[Houndawg]

Announcer says re[lay we're robbed of a fumble recovery.

[Saluki09]

NDSU touchdown

20-7 SIU

[skinny_uncle]

Bison score in the last minute of the first half.
SIU 20 NDSU 7

[Houndawg]

TD NDSU on a middle screen to the TE. Kick good. 20-7 SIU, seconds left in the half.

[Saluki09]

Also of note, neither team has punted so far the whole game

[skinny_uncle]

Announcer says re[lay we're robbed of a fumble recovery.

Sambursky (former SIU QB) who is the on the field announcer for the Dawgs said it was a fumble the ref just missed.

[skinny_uncle]

Walker runs back the kickoff to the 30.

[Chi Panther]

I'm impressed dawgs.....keep it up!!!!xnodx

[skinny_uncle]

Halftime
SIU 20 NDSU 7

[onbison09]

Sambursky (former SIU QB) who is the on the field announcer for the Dawgs said it was a fumble the ref just missed.

On what play? The TD? NDSU announcers didn't say anything. (probably biased I know though)

[skinny_uncle]

On what play? The TD? NDSU announcers didn't say anything. (probably biased I know though)

The last drive of the half in the red zone right before the TD play.

[Bison311]

On what play? The TD? NDSU announcers didn't say anything. (probably biased I know though)

Yeah Wurz fumbled the ball when we got to the 10 or w/e but they called him down....good break for us :)

[Houndawg]

Yeah Wurz fumbled the ball when we got to the 10 or w/e but they called him down....good break for us :)

Hopefully it won't matter.xsmiley_wix

[onbison09]

Hopefully it won't matter.xsmiley_wix

Probably won't with our D. :(

[siuham]

Yeah Wurz fumbled the ball when we got to the 10 or w/e but they called him down....good break for us :)

Good break is all it is, nothing else folks. :)

Keep this play up in the second half guys.

[Houndawg]

Probably won't with our D. :(

Our O has been outscored 41-0 in the 3rd quarter; we know it isn't over.

[skinny_uncle]

Our O has been outscored 41-0 in the 3rd quarter; we know it isn't over.
You had to bring that up, didn't you?
If we ever score in the third quarter, we might thump somebody.

[Houndawg]

You had to bring that up, didn't you?
If we ever score in the third quarter, we might thump somebody.

Heard any halftime stats?

[Saluki09]

Heard any halftime ststs?

-----------------SIU vs. NDSU
1st downs-------14------10
Total Yards-----206-----169
Passing-----------98------131
Rushing----------108-----38
Total Plays------36------34
Penalties---------2/10----3/41
Turnovers--------0--------1
TOP---------------16:35---13:25

[skinny_uncle]

Bison with the first punt of the game.

[Saluki09]

1st punt of game goes to SIU 9 yard line

[Houndawg]

-----------------SIU vs. NDSU
1st downs-------14------10
Total Yards-----206-----169
Passing-----------98------131
Rushing----------108-----38
Total Plays------36------34
Penalties---------2/10----3/41
Turnovers--------0--------1
TOP---------------16:35---13:25

Thanks.xthumbsupx

[Houndawg]

Second big homer call.

[Houndawg]

Sure hope the refs don't become a factor here.

[Saluki09]

Eh, from the sound of it the receiver had no chance of catching the ball anyway, so they overturned the pass interference call

[skinny_uncle]

Eh, from the sound of it the receiver had no chance of catching the ball anyway, so they overturned the pass interference call

He got hit before he could finish the route.

[skinny_uncle]

Bison knocking at the door in the red zone again.

[skinny_uncle]

Salukis go offsides on a FG try and give the Bison a first down.

[skinny_uncle]

Bison with a TD.

[Houndawg]

Another flag on a big play. Anybody watching the game?

[skinny_uncle]

SIU 20 NDSU 14

[OrygunBison]

good lord. warner is good.

[siuham]

good lord. warner is good.

:)

Yup.

[skinny_uncle]

good lord. warner is good.
Yep.

[OrygunBison]

So far, I like the 3rd quarter better than the first 25 minutes of the game.

[Houndawg]

Refs are coming up big.

[Chi Panther]

UNI found out on the opening Kick Off......xrotatehx

[Houndawg]

6 flags on SIU in the 3rd qtr, 0 for NDSU.

[crunifan]

SIU has the strange ability to suck it up majorly in the 3rd quarter.

[skinny_uncle]

So far, I like the 3rd quarter better than the first 25 minutes of the game.
I haven't like a third quarter all year.
xmadx

[skinny_uncle]

Bison going for it on a fourth and an inch.

[skinny_uncle]

First down.

[OrygunBison]

I guess Roehl is pretty good as well. Nice run there with guys on his back and feet.

[skinny_uncle]

Thank heaven the third quarter is over.

[skinny_uncle]

I guess Roehl is pretty good as well. Nice run there with guys on his back and feet.
He's tough.

[Syntax Error]

any free audio/video link?

[skinny_uncle]

any free audio/video link?

http://www.kycr.com/

[Saluki09]

Another controversial call apparently... SIU announcers think an NDSU receiver tipped it to another receiver on the 3 and goal touchdown pass.

[skinny_uncle]

INT

[skinny_uncle]

Bison with the ball in Saluki territory.

[OrygunBison]

Another controversial call apparently... SIU announcers think an NDSU receiver tipped it to another receiver on the 3 and goal touchdown pass.

Yep. That's what happened. Nothing controversial about it, though.

[skinny_uncle]

Bison missed another FG
Third time today.

[Bison06]

Another controversial call apparently... SIU announcers think an NDSU receiver tipped it to another receiver on the 3 and goal touchdown pass.

Not sure what they think was controversial about it. A bit of luck maybe by the Bison, but nothing controversial.

[DSUrocks07]

Is the score still 21-20 NDSU?

[Houndawg]

Not sure what they think was controversial about it. A bit of luck maybe by the Bison, but nothing controversial.

Can one offensive player tip to another in college?

[da_Bison]

Can one offensive player tip to another in college?


it really doesn't matter thats NOT what happened

[OrygunBison]

Can one offensive player tip to another in college?

Is this the first football game that you've ever watched?

[Houndawg]

it really doesn't mater thats NOT what happened

What was Lennon arguing?

[Bison06]

The player went to catch the ball, he was hit, and the ball popped up in the air. Luckily it was closest to one of our guys and we caught the ball in the endzone. I have been watching the video. Nothing controversial, just lucky.

[BisonBohl]

It doesnt matter the first Bison Wr went up for the catch and had it go off his hands, luckly for the bison there was a wr in the right spot to grab the deflection.

[Houndawg]

Is this the first football game that you've ever watched?

Can't see it on the radio.

[skinny_uncle]

Is the score still 21-20 NDSU?
Yep
6 minutes left.

[Saluki09]

Is this the first football game that you've ever watched?

It was a legitimate question... Ever heard of the controversy behind the immaculate reception? In the NFL an offensive player can't tip the ball to another offensive player...if the rule is different in college football, a lot of people probably don't know (me included).

[skinny_uncle]

Bison with a first and goal now.

[skinny_uncle]

Bison TD by Roehl

[DSUrocks07]

it really doesn't matter thats NOT what happened

Ok...so what happened then?? xconfusedx

[da_Bison]

Ok...so what happened then?? xconfusedx


see post 125

[Bison06]

Pass over the middle to NDSU player, he was hit, ball popped straight up into the air and was caught by another NDSU player in the endzone.

[da_Bison]

What was Lennon arguing?

He ordered a hotdog and it was cold, I think.

[OrygunBison]

Can't see it on the radio.

Sorry. That was a little bit of a pissy comment from me...

[skinny_uncle]

Bison recover a fumble.
Where is my white flag?
xmadx

[OrygunBison]

Fumble on kickoff. Wow. SIU falling apart...

[Chi Panther]

He ordered a hotdog and it was cold, I think.


Exactly, and somehow wrapped in paper and not foil....

[onbison09]

Never underestimate Bison Pride! This is the Bison team we expected all year! Big win for the Herd!

[siuham]

Sigh.

This game is over. Another great case of SIU falling apart in the 2nd half.

The question now is, is this Lennon not knowing how to make adjustments? We've had the lead going into half every game (sans Northwestern, but that's different) and have come out and tried our best to lose the game. Finally a team is catching us on it.

[da_Bison]

Never underestimate Bison Pride! This is the Bison team we expected all year! Big win for the Herd!

Not over yet!

[Houndawg]

Sorry. That was a little bit of a pissy comment from me...

That's OK, I know PMS after 24 years of marriage.xthumbsupx

[onbison09]

Sigh.

This game is over. Another great case of SIU falling apart in the 2nd half.

The question now is, is this Lennon not knowing how to make adjustments? We've had the lead going into half every game (sans Northwestern, but that's different) and have come out and tried our best to lose the game. Finally a team is catching us on it.

Man it sounds like you're having a tough week. Our Cubbies look like they're in the process of epic failing once again.

[skinny_uncle]

Salukis get a first down on a fourth and 13.

[onbison09]

SIU isn't done yet. If i jinxed this game I'm going to kill myself.

[siuham]

Man it sounds like you're having a tough week. Our Cubbies look like they're in the process of epic failing once again.

Pretty much.

Steelers are going down hard too.

Not a good sports time for me.

[Houndawg]

Sigh.

This game is over. Another great case of SIU falling apart in the 2nd half.

The question now is, is this Lennon not knowing how to make adjustments? We've had the lead going into half every game (sans Northwestern, but that's different) and have come out and tried our best to lose the game. Finally a team is catching us on it.

Well, four games is enough to call it a trend. 2-2 or better is right where we needed to be after the first four games, so even though this is disappointing we're in good shape for the rest of the conference.

[skinny_uncle]

Third and goal at the 1.

[skinny_uncle]

TD SIU on a catch by Kernes.

[skinny_uncle]

NDSU 35 SIU 27

[onbison09]

Get the hands team ready Coach Bohl.

[Houndawg]

TD SIU. Ouch, maybe that first half fumble will be the difference.

[DSUrocks07]

NDSU 35 SIU 27

Whats the time?

[skinny_uncle]

1:10

[onbison09]

Bison ball.

[siuham]

Well, four games is enough to call it a trend. 2-2 or better is right where we needed to be after the first four games, so even though this is disappointing we're in good shape for the rest of the conference.

Yeah we're in good shape, but what happens when we pull this on the road at Youngstown or Bloomington?

This is a real problem. :/

[skinny_uncle]

Good game, Bison.

[Houndawg]

Yeah we're in good shape, but what happens when we pull this on the road at Youngstown or Bloomington?

This is a real problem. :/

It is a problem, even taking into account learning a new system from new coaches. I would like to be able to see what happened during that rash of penalties in the 3rd quarter, that seemed to be the momentum shifter.

[skinny_uncle]

It is a problem, even taking into account learning a new system from new coaches. I would like to be able to see what happened during that rash of penalties in the 3rd quarter, that seemed to be the momentum shifter.

Six penalties in the third. Our running game was pretty much shut down in the second half.

[OrygunBison]

Six penalties in the third. Our running game was pretty much shut down in the second half.

I'm not sure why you guys didn't run Warner 50 times. The Bison rarely handled him all day. Walker's pretty good, too.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Hopefully, I can watch the game in person when there's a re-match in December in Fargo...

[skinny_uncle]

Ok...so what happened then?? xconfusedx
The beef on that play was that the play clock had ran down to 0 before the snap. It had nothing to do with the actual play.

[bisonguy]

Can one offensive player tip to another in college?

Pretty sure they can. NDSU had a hail mary against Ball State a couple years back before the half in which the play was designed for a tip if the receiver did not have a easy catch.

[Hammersmith]

I'm editing the TV broadcast right now for DVD prep. I've got easy frame-by-frame controls so I can "officially review" the plays in question.



Announcer says re[lay we're robbed of a fumble recovery.
This one may be right. Neither of the camera angles show where the ball comes out. In fact, the ball is out of sight for almost the entire tackle. It is clearly out and on the ground at the end of the play. The receiver's knee lands on the defender's foot, so I don't know if that should've kept the play alive or if it's the same as a knee on the ground. If I had to say, I'd say the ref's blew the call, but there isn't enough evidence to be sure.


He got hit before he could finish the route.
The pass interference call that was waived off was correct. The ball had already passed over the receiver's head(by about 5 feet) before the Bison defender touched the receiver. It was uncatchable.


The beef on that play was that the play clock had ran down to 0 before the snap. It had nothing to do with the actual play.
If this is what Lennon was arguing, he was wrong. The play clock wasn't displayed for this play, but the ball was snapped just as the game clock turned to 12:19. Under the current rules, the play clock should start at 40 after the ball has been placed and the official starts to back away. For the play clock to have expired prior to the snap, the ball would've had to have been placed by 12:59. The broadcast didn't show the placement due to a replay of the previous play(an SIU sack), but the ball was not yet in the ump's hands at 12:59(the ref was holding the ball out to him and still about 2 yards away). If the play clock rules were followed, there is no possible way it could've expired before the snap that resulted in the touchdown.

If Lennon was arguing that the ball touched the ground before the receiver had possession, that would be more understandable. It was a very close thing, but it looks like the Bison receiver had control of the ball as he hit the ground and the ball didn't move. It was a legit TD(more than one receiver may legally touch a pass, even in the NFL - the rule was changed in the NFL, 6 years after the Immaculate Reception).

[Houndawg]

Congrats, Bison.xpeacex

[Houndawg]

I'm not sure why you guys didn't run Warner 50 times. The Bison rarely handled him all day. Walker's pretty good, too.

Good luck with the rest of the season. Hopefully, I can watch the game in person when there's a re-match in December in Fargo...

Love to have a beer with you at the rematch, in Carbondale.....xnodx

[stevdock]

Have you guys been able to shut down the run like that all season?? You held us to something like 34 yards in the first half and I think most of the rushing yards came during 1 or 2 drives in the second half. I know there were quite a few games against the Sioux where we couldn't run the ball either.

[JackTwice]

Congrats on the win Bison, you availed yourself well from the Youngstown game.

[spelunker64]

Great game(2nd half at least...), great tailgate

We still need to work on tackling and we really need a pass rush.

[UNIFanSince1983]

Just so ya know they haven't been able to shut down the run all season because Corey Lewis had 190 on them. I would have loved to watch this game it sounds like it was a good one! Congrats to the Bison and see you in OUR dome in two weeks!

[BisonBacker]

Just so ya know they haven't been able to shut down the run all season because Corey Lewis had 190 on them. I would have loved to watch this game it sounds like it was a good one! Congrats to the Bison and see you in OUR dome in two weeks!

If it isn't this should be a major concern for our coaching staff. Our inability to stop the run and the ability of our opponents to stop our running game and forcing us to beat them with the pass. I guess that's what having a realitively inexperienced QB will do for you. Gives the opposition the chance to try turn NDSU into a one dimensional team. Just about worked today. Without Tyler it would have.

[Drblankstare]

The Bison running defensive has major problems still. They showed up in the 2nd, but it was almost to late by that point.

All in all though, Great game by the Salukis. The herd finally showed some spunk after getting down early.

[Houndawg]

This punch them in the mouth early and then go home at halftime thing is peplexing as hell.

[Thunderstruck84]

A couple observations:

1) Smattering of boos in the Fargodome may be the first time that's happened since the days of Bobby Babich

2) SIU blitzed a ton and rarely had 2 safeties deepand sometimes had no one beyond 7 yards past the line of scrimmage. Yet NDSU only took a deep shot once and continually ran the ball in passing situations (2 and 9, 3rd and 6). The playcalling has become a lot more conservative since Steve Walker was at the helm, they didn't even give Mertens the chance to prove he keep a defense honest.

3) Tyler Roehl pulled off ridiculous run on a screen pass to set up the TD right before the half. After that he got up with the fire of a guy who was playing in a tie game, not down by 20. That's leadership, showed again why he's the spark plug for this team.

4) SIU jumping offsides on the FG attempt was another huge play, at that point in the game 20-10 is way better than 20-14. You could sense after that second TD that the Bison had big Mo.

5) The Bison defense finally figured something out at the half. Between the last 2 quarters of the Wyoming game, the Youngstown game, and the first two quarters of this game the Bison had given up a whopping 600 yards rushing. I sure hope they keep it going cuz they are going to see 2 all-america caliber tailbacks in the next two weeks.

[Drblankstare]

It was almost surreal hearing those boos in the Dome, especially during homecoming.

[JBB]

Once again watching the bison lose on statewide TV. Crazy to hear the Fargodome booing their team this early, is that typical?

The boos were deserved. QB play at that point was inept. SIU is the fastest team we have seen this season. They close everything up quickly. They are a physical team as well. #21 is tough to tackle he runs low. The guy next to me said he runs so low he is already down!

The beauty of this comeback was the fact that NDSU won on statewide TV. It was not a "moral victory" for us it was the real thing and Im sure it gave the fans watching a real thrill.

Lennon was undisciplined and it showed in his team. Why he was in the face of the refs for a couple minutes at the end of the game is beyond me but he will learn this isnt D2 and he cant bully them. Lennon is a good coach but not great. We will see as things go on and Kills playlers are replaced by Lennons picks if he can take the next step. Clearly he was outcoached in the end by Bohl and staff.

Thanks to Dakota Hose for some great seats right on the 50 half way up!!

[stevdock]

Lennon had a good reason to be in the face of the refs from watching that game. They were very inconsistent to both teams during that game. I never understood why he complained after the tipped TD. Everything looked legit to me. He did have a gripe about 10 seconds running off the clock before they gave him a TO before their last TD.

I'm hoping that our rush defense can compare themselves to the Dodgers offense (yeah I know it's baseball). The Dodgers had so many top notch SP's to face during the year (think about all the good SP's in the NL West) that facing the Cubs top pitchers was just another game to them. Hopefully if we can find our way through this MVFC and all the top notch RB's, when/if we make the playoffs might be just another smashmouth game that we've seen all year long. It's something to be concerned about but their was major improvement from the last two games. And if continue to improve and take care of business we should be where we expect to be at the end of the season.

[skinny_uncle]

#21 is tough to tackle he runs low. The guy next to me said he runs so low he is already down!
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Larry Warner has to run low. He is only 5-5. And that may be generous. I like the way he changes direction at full speed.

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[gregatim]

Larry Warner has to run low. He is only 5-5. And that may be generous. I like the way he changes direction at full speed.

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What I couldn't figure out is why he wasn't on the field much or given the ball much in the 2nd half. There were 2 straight series he wasn't even on the field after the Bison took the lead. Very "interesting" personnel choices by the SIU coaching staff down the stretch.

[JBB]

The Bison running defensive has major problems still. They showed up in the 2nd, but it was almost to late by that point.

All in all though, Great game by the Salukis. The herd finally showed some spunk after getting down early.

Im not so sure the BISON have a running defense problem. We could get better and the second half showed that. I think stopping the Salukis in their first 4 possessions of the second half shows how good they can be.

But facts are facts. As good as Larry Warner looked he only had 65 yds in 14 carries. Almost all of that was in the first half. In the second half he wasnt a factor. Lucien Walker wasnt that great either. He had 45 yds, most in the first half. Give that to BISON coaching. Adjustments were made.

All-and-all the Salukis had 166 yds rushing and no TDs. NDSU had 184 and 3 TDs. Tyler Roehl had 125 yds and 1 TD by himself. Paschall was also outstanding and both were very hard to tackle both halves.

Its the Saluki Defense and the first year coach that need improvement. Giving up a 20 point lead isnt a good situation. But, NDSU is a a very good team and Im not surprised it happened.

What NDSU needs to put together a full game. The BISON havent played their best football yet.

[darell1976]

Last time Dale Lennon faced the Bison in the Fargodome October 12, 2002 in a 12-6 win for the Fighting Sioux. But things are different now, i predict NDSU 35 SIU 31. Good game but the Salukis come up short, btw we will see you SIU later this year.:)

Damn i almost predicted the final. Good game Bison at least good second half, now they need to work on the whole game not the last 30 minutes.

[BisonBacker]

Damn i almost predicted the final. Good game Bison at least good second half, now they need to work on the whole game not the last 30 minutes.


You were very close on your prediction. Kudo's to you.

[crunifan]

The Bison's weakness is their running game, huh?

Apparently UNI has something to look forward to in a couple weeks!

[BisonBacker]

The Bison's weakness is their running game, huh?

Apparently UNI has something to look forward to in a couple weeks!


Our ability to stop the run is what we were talking about. YSU ran all over us. Yesterday's game it appeared from the casual fan that our run defense was bad. Looking at the stats says otherwise. I'd put it this way, last years team was much better at stopping the run but this team is improving in that category. I think it will be a good game against UNI.

[Houndawg]

A couple observations:

1) Smattering of boos in the Fargodome may be the first time that's happened since the days of Bobby Babich

2) SIU blitzed a ton and rarely had 2 safeties deepand sometimes had no one beyond 7 yards past the line of scrimmage. Yet NDSU only took a deep shot once and continually ran the ball in passing situations (2 and 9, 3rd and 6). The playcalling has become a lot more conservative since Steve Walker was at the helm, they didn't even give Mertens the chance to prove he keep a defense honest.

3) Tyler Roehl pulled off ridiculous run on a screen pass to set up the TD right before the half. After that he got up with the fire of a guy who was playing in a tie game, not down by 20. That's leadership, showed again why he's the spark plug for this team.

4) SIU jumping offsides on the FG attempt was another huge play, at that point in the game 20-10 is way better than 20-14. You could sense after that second TD that the Bison had big Mo.

5) The Bison defense finally figured something out at the half. Between the last 2 quarters of the Wyoming game, the Youngstown game, and the first two quarters of this game the Bison had given up a whopping 600 yards rushing. I sure hope they keep it going cuz they are going to see 2 all-america caliber tailbacks in the next two weeks.

I only had radio- Sambursky was pretty adamant that SIU had a takeaway taken away on the play before the first score for NDSU. Anyone see it? Also from the raduo perspective it seemed like the mo shifted when SIU got flag whipped in the 3rd qtr.

[DaveK]

The Bison running defensive has major problems still. They showed up in the 2nd, but it was almost to late by that point.

All in all though, Great game by the Salukis. The herd finally showed some spunk after getting down early.

The Salukis did not play a great game. A great 1st half, but not a great game.

[BisonBacker]

The Salukis did not play a great game. A great 1st half, but not a great game.


NDSU didn't play a great game either, second half yes but first half not at all so whats your point?

[dlsiouxfan]

Im not so sure the BISON have a running defense problem. We could get better and the second half showed that. I think stopping the Salukis in their first 4 possessions of the second half shows how good they can be.

But facts are facts. As good as Larry Warner looked he only had 65 yds in 14 carries. Almost all of that was in the first half. In the second half he wasnt a factor. Lucien Walker wasnt that great either. He had 45 yds, most in the first half. Give that to BISON coaching. Adjustments were made.

All-and-all the Salukis had 166 yds rushing and no TDs. NDSU had 184 and 3 TDs. Tyler Roehl had 125 yds and 1 TD by himself. Paschall was also outstanding and both were very hard to tackle both halves.

Its the Saluki Defense and the first year coach that need improvement. Giving up a 20 point lead isnt a good situation. But, NDSU is a a very good team and Im not surprised it happened.

What NDSU needs to put together a full game. The BISON havent played their best football yet.

JBB, the game was quite telling. It demonstrated that offensively the Bison are a one man team and an injury away from a horrendous season. You'll be luck to win a single MVFC game on the road and you'll most likely get run over the next two weeks. A .500 season would be good achievement for this Bison squad.

[FargoBison]

JBB, the game was quite telling. It demonstrated that offensively the Bison are a one man team and an injury away from a horrendous season. You'll be luck to win a single MVFC game on the road and you'll most likely get run over the next two weeks. A .500 season would be good achievement for this Bison squad.

One man team...If you truly think that you have no idea about what you are talking about. I stopped reading after that remark.

[BisonBacker]

A case of a ridiculous UND fan who can't take off the kelley green glasses. We have backups that are better then the starters they have and he wants to call us a one man team? Ridiculous.

[FargoBison]

A case of a ridiculous UND fan who can't take off the kelley green glasses. We have backups that are better then the starters they have and he wants to call us a one man team? Ridiculous.

I read some of the same comments at their site and it made me wonder if this was the first game they have seen. With players like Heckendorf, Paschall, Jangula, Wurz, and even Mertens to an extent(the guy has thrown for 1200 yards) it seems to be pretty clear that we have more then one player.

[darell1976]

A case of a ridiculous UND fan who can't take off the kelley green glasses. We have backups that are better then the starters they have and he wants to call us a one man team? Ridiculous.


Where can i buy a pair of those.xlolx

[dlsiouxfan]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

[darell1976]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

Easy now, its not UND vs NDSU....its SIU vs NDSU.xnonox xpeacex

[stevdock]

It'll be interesting to see if NDSU posters start showing up in the post SIU-UND thread and say the same type of stuff. I know that I will not be doing it as this rivalry died years ago.

[FargoBison]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[stevdock]

I only had radio- Sambursky was pretty adamant that SIU had a takeaway taken away on the play before the first score for NDSU. Anyone see it? Also from the raduo perspective it seemed like the mo shifted when SIU got flag whipped in the 3rd qtr.

Oh the one he was talking about was probably when Mertens tripped coming away from Center trying to get the hand off to the RB. He was clearly down before the ball came out (it was right in front of me) and he ended up covering it anyways. The MO did shift after the encroachment penalty on the FG that gave us a 1st down and then ended up as a TD. With just getting a FG I don't know if we come back to win that game, but with the TD alot of people were probably feeling in the Dome that it was just a matter of time to take the lead.

[Houndawg]

Oh the one he was talking about was probably when Mertens tripped coming away from Center trying to get the hand off to the RB. He was clearly down before the ball came out (it was right in front of me) and he ended up covering it anyways. The MO did shift after the encroachment penalty on the FG that gave us a 1st down and then ended up as a TD. With just getting a FG I don't know if we come back to win that game, but with the TD alot of people were probably feeling in the Dome that it was just a matter of time to take the lead.


I'm thinking of the play in the first half just before the first score, pass caught at the 10 yard line. According to our announcer stripped but missed by the refs. TD next play is when I first thought uh-oh.

[Houndawg]

JBB, the game was quite telling. It demonstrated that offensively the Bison are a one man team and an injury away from a horrendous season. You'll be luck to win a single MVFC game on the road and you'll most likely get run over the next two weeks. A .500 season would be good achievement for this Bison squad.

I guess UND should be a heavy favorite when they come to Carbondale since SIU couldn't handle a soft NDSU squad that only has one decent player.

[Go Bison]

I'm thinking of the play in the first half just before the first score, pass caught at the 10 yard line. According to our announcer stripped but missed by the refs. TD next play is when I first thought uh-oh.

I believe that was the pass to the TE Wurzbacher. I haven't looked at the tape yet but from what I saw it was a fumble. NDSU did get a break on that one.

I am pretty new to the Missouri Valley refs. Do they always take so long to make a decision? There would throw a flag and then talk about it for a very long time.

[Bison77]

I believe that was the pass to the TE Wurzbacher. I haven't looked at the tape yet but from what I saw it was a fumble. NDSU did get a break on that one.

I am pretty new to the Missouri Valley refs. Do they always take so long to make a decision? There would throw a flag and then talk about it for a very long time.

You have to remember that the ball just has to cross the line (any part of the ball) and it's a TD.

[Bison77]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

For a team has just barely beat the worst team in the BSC and lost to another team from the Southland that was picked 2nd to last you should be the last one mouthing off. SIU got to the quarter finals last year and are a very good team. Talk about a soft D - have you looked at what your team has given up against not very good teams?

[DaveK]

For a team has just barely beat the worst team in the BSC and lost to another team from the Southland that was picked 2nd to last you should be the last one mouthing off. SIU got to the quarter finals last year and are a very good team. Talk about a soft D - have you looked at what your team has given up against not very good teams?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your team get beat by somebody who lost to Southern Utah? Perhaps you guys are in no more of a position to mouth off than we are. Your team better not lose another game if they hope to host the 1st ever Fargodome playoff game in the 16th year of the Fargodome.

[DaveK]

NDSU didn't play a great game either, second half yes but first half not at all so whats your point?

I thought my point was pretty obvious...

If SIU played the 2nd half as well as they played the 1st half they would have won the game.

[BisonBacker]

I thought my point was pretty obvious...

If SIU played the 2nd half as well as they played the 1st half they would have won the game.

Yeah and NDSU had nothing to do with that did they xnonono2x

[Go Bison]

You have to remember that the ball just has to cross the line (any part of the ball) and it's a TD.

We are talking about different plays here.

[footballer23]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

xlolx xlolx xlolx You are a funny guy. Coming from someone who barely beat Idaho State and lost to Southeastern Louisiana. And I'm sorry, but you can't put your running stats against a D-3 school (Wisconsin-La Crosse) up against other schools.

Also, what is this about Tyler Roehl being our only playmaker? Have you not seen Heckendorf's game-winning... not to mention Schultenover with a few key grabs. As long as Mertens settles in and stops forcing it, those are a couple of huge weapons.

[Go Bison]

Come on guys, let's not get into this NDSU/UND stuff.

[footballer23]

Come on guys, let's not get into this NDSU/UND stuff.

I agree and I'm sorry. But they started it.

[bisonmike]

I thought my point was pretty obvious...

If SIU played the 2nd half as well as they played the 1st half they would have won the game.

If NDSU played the first half like it did the second, the game wouldn't have been close. What's your point? They do count all 4 qtrs, sorry that's a difficult concept for you to grasp.

[Houndawg]

I believe that was the pass to the TE Wurzbacher. I haven't looked at the tape yet but from what I saw it was a fumble. NDSU did get a break on that one.

I am pretty new to the Missouri Valley refs. Do they always take so long to make a decision? There would throw a flag and then talk about it for a very long time.

Breaks are part of the game. To me the six penalties in the third qtr were huge. I couldn't tell at the time what Lennon was fired up about on the tipped pass for a TD, but today the story is that the play clock hit zero before the snap, anybody that saw the game notice that?

I don't know whether your lucky to be new to MVC officials or not. Lucky up until now I guess.xpeacex

[JBB]

JBB, the game was quite telling. It demonstrated that offensively the Bison are a one man team and an injury away from a horrendous season. You'll be luck to win a single MVFC game on the road and you'll most likely get run over the next two weeks. A .500 season would be good achievement for this Bison squad.


That statement is ridiculous.

Both Tyler Roehl and Paschall were effective out of the backfield. Together they had 184 yds on the ground and 2 TDs.

Through the air NDSU had 195 yds and 2 TDs. Mertens used 7 receivers for 16 catches.

It looks like a well rounded offense to me, and there are still some very effective guys on the bench that didnt get the call.

SIU has a very good team. Fast and hard hitting. Their problem was coaching. NDSU came out the second half and made some changes. They shut down the 2 SIU backs and the defensive line started to get to the QB. SIU had no answer. Lennon simply spent the second half whining at the refs. He should have been a little more attentive to his game plan.

[JBB]

For all the UND fans that think their team has the athleticism to play FCS and count a loss to SELA as a moral victory and a win over Idaho State as a landmark victory I have to say you have a lot of learning to do.

NDSU has stumbled but still maintains a top ranking in this division, something UND cant say after going 1-1 against a couple of also rans.

With the coaching UND has, and the very few players they have that are truly FCS caliber I think the SUU game will be a huge one for UND because it might be the only winnable FCS game left on their schedule.

The BISON are doing just fine. They would really have a banner day against a defense that gave up 439 yds to Idaho State! It doesnt take much to beat UND, just ask SELA, but it seems moral victories are easy to come by in Grand Forks. I hope all your arms are healed from patting yourselves on the back after your great comeback fell short?

[Gil Dobie]

Most of your starters are too soft to play for us. We'd run for 300+ on your defense. Watch the next few weeks and you'll see. Your offense lacks playmakers other than Tyler Roehl and your D is downright soft. It will be a long season in Fargo.

Comeback when you grow up. xsmhx

[Thunderstruck84]

People need to quit saying "if Team X would've of played as well in the 1st half as they did in the 2nd" or "if Team Y would've played as well 2nd half as they did in the first". That's why the game is 60 minutes long, very few teams are going to play all 60 of those at the highest level, especially when they're playing against good opposition. Give SIU credit for forcing the Bison to play poorly in the 1st and give NDSU credit for turning the tables in the 2nd. That's how the game is played, deal with it.

[Houndawg]

People need to quit saying "if Team X would've of played as well in the 1st half as they did in the 2nd" or "if Team Y would've played as well 2nd half as they did in the first". That's why the game is 60 minutes long, very few teams are going to play all 60 of those at the highest level, especially when they're playing against good opposition. Give SIU credit for forcing the Bison to play poorly in the 1st and give NDSU credit for turning the tables in the 2nd. That's how the game is played, deal with it.

xthumbsupx

If a frog had wings he wouldn't whomp his azz hopping.

[DaveK]

Yeah and NDSU had nothing to do with that did they xnonono2x

To their credit, NDSU took advantage of the new life given to them by SIU. My point was that I don't think NDSU would not have been able to get themselves back into the game had SIU not self destructed.

[Houndawg]

To their credit, NDSU took advantage of the new life given to them by SIU. My point was that I don't think NDSU would not have been able to get themselves back into the game had SIU not self destructed.

NDSU is a good team. They proved that by beating SIU. Soon you'll get your turn to step up and try the same thing.

[darell1976]

For all the UND fans that think their team has the athleticism to play FCS and count a loss to SELA as a moral victory and a win over Idaho State as a landmark victory I have to say you have a lot of learning to do.

NDSU has stumbled but still maintains a top ranking in this division, something UND cant say after going 1-1 against a couple of also rans.

With the coaching UND has, and the very few players they have that are truly FCS caliber I think the SUU game will be a huge one for UND because it might be the only winnable FCS game left on their schedule.

The BISON are doing just fine. They would really have a banner day against a defense that gave up 439 yds to Idaho State! It doesnt take much to beat UND, just ask SELA, but it seems moral victories are easy to come by in Grand Forks. I hope all your arms are healed from patting yourselves on the back after your great comeback fell short?

Alright enough!!! I am sure it doesn't take much to beat UND when most of their roster is a D2 roster, #2 the SELA was a loss (IMO) there is no such thing as a moral victory, #3 you guys beat SIU and thats all that matters when you look at the score at the end of the game that is all that matters not how you played in a particular half or qtr but when the game is done if you have the most points you win plain and simple. We do have the athleticism to play in the FCS against certain teams so what, you probably thought the same thing in NDSU's first year in the FCS when you crushed non-scholorship teams of the FCS. So enough of the NDSU/UND talk!!!xpeacex

[darell1976]

People need to quit saying "if Team X would've of played as well in the 1st half as they did in the 2nd" or "if Team Y would've played as well 2nd half as they did in the first". That's why the game is 60 minutes long, very few teams are going to play all 60 of those at the highest level, especially when they're playing against good opposition. Give SIU credit for forcing the Bison to play poorly in the 1st and give NDSU credit for turning the tables in the 2nd. That's how the game is played, deal with it.

AMEN!!!!xpeacex

[Thundar]

To their credit, NDSU took advantage of the new life given to them by SIU. My point was that I don't think NDSU would not have been able to get themselves back into the game had SIU not self destructed.

Yep they have never came back from behind beforexcoffeex

Did you watch? just asking, the NDSU team in the second half had 3x the fire they did in the first, and that in turn with the crowd coming alive took the wind out of SIU's sails, Football is a game of emotion and Momentum, SIU CLEARLY had it in the first half, but were flat in the second thats the truth! IMO both teams were equally athletic, both teams made great plays, both teams had serious penalties that affected the outcomes of the halves, NDSU just got it done on both sides of the ball in the second half.xpeacex SIU is a hell of a team I don't think we have heard the last of them this year.xbowx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

To their credit, NDSU took advantage of the new life given to them by SIU. My point was that I don't think NDSU would not have been able to get themselves back into the game had SIU not self destructed.

SIU had a few "dumb" penalties but it was the BISON that came alive in the 2nd half.

I would like to see the Bison play a full 60 minutes....when that happens...look out for whoever they are playing.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

That statement is ridiculous.

Both Tyler Roehl and Paschall were effective out of the backfield. Together they had 184 yds on the ground and 2 TDs.

Through the air NDSU had 195 yds and 2 TDs. Mertens used 7 receivers for 16 catches.

It looks like a well rounded offense to me, and there are still some very effective guys on the bench that didnt get the call.

SIU has a very good team. Fast and hard hitting. Their problem was coaching. NDSU came out the second half and made some changes. They shut down the 2 SIU backs and the defensive line started to get to the QB. SIU had no answer. Lennon simply spent the second half whining at the refs. He should have been a little more attentive to his game plan.


My seats are right behind the visitors bench and Lennon was "working" the refs. There were some questionable calls and I would expect Bohl to do the same thing for the Bison.

Lennon is a good coach. SIU is a very good team....they just didn't play a full 60 minutes.

[UNIFanSince1983]

If SIU can figure out how to play the second half like they play in the first half they could be one dangerous team. I mean they beat us at the end, but we dominated the second half. I like their chances for the rest of the season. And I can't wait two weeks to finally see NDSU in person!!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

If SIU can figure out how to play the second half like they play in the first half they could be one dangerous team. I mean they beat us at the end, but we dominated the second half. I like their chances for the rest of the season. And I can't wait two weeks to finally see NDSU in person!!

...it will be one of two possible Bison teams

If the Bison play turnover free football than they will beat UNI if they turn it over ( which they have done this year ) UNI will win.

Should be a great game...sounds like a lot of Bison faithful are going to the game.

[DaveK]

SIU had a few "dumb" penalties but it was the BISON that came alive in the 2nd half.

I would like to see the Bison play a full 60 minutes....when that happens...look out for whoever they are playing.

Although they're a good team, I don't think they're nearly as dominant as they were last year. They lost too many quality players to graduation to maintain the level of play they were at last year. They can play a full 60 minutes and still come up short against playoff caliber teams IMHO. Maybe I'm wrong... maybe they'll run the table the rest of the regular season and go deep into the playoffs, but I don't think so.