AGS Poll - Week Four Results

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)
12. Elon 1611 (17)
13. Massachusetts 1458 (12)
14. Delaware 1439 (8)
15. Southern Illinois 1420 (15)
16. Furman 1362 (22)
17. Villanova 1323 (16)
18. South Dakota St. 1087 (14)
19. Central Arkansas 1035 (19)
20. The Citadel 870 (20)
21. Western Illinois 642 (21)
22. Eastern Illinois 553 (23)
23. Georgia Southern 461 (18)
24. Youngstown St. 406 (NR)
25. Harvard 263 (24)
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Liberty (53), Tennessee St. (51), Yale (37), Northern Arizona (30), Jacksonville St. (18), Sam Houston St. (17), Hampton (16), William & Mary (15), Univ. North Dakota (14), Montana St. (12), Albany (10), Dayton (8), Fordham (8), Weber St. (7), Prairie View A&M (6), UC Davis (5)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: James Madison
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: North Dakota St.

PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: September 22, 2008

AGS Poll Week Four: Richmond Climbs to No. 1

Chicago, IL -- The Spiders of the University of Richmond are the new No. 1 in the AnyGivenSaturday.com (AGS) Poll of the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) this week, garnering 68 first place votes.

Following the Spiders in the top ten were (in order): James Madison, Montana, Appalachian State, Northern Iowa, McNeese State, Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, New Hampshire, and North Dakota State.

The full results are listed below.

Five other teams received first place votes including James Madison (45), Montana (10), Northern Iowa (6), McNeese State (1), and New Hampshire (1).

A total of 16 squads received at least the five votes required to receive mention outside of the top 25.

The Colonial Athletic Association, the FCS’s largest league, the Missouri Valley Football, and Southern Conferences lead the way with six teams each in the Top 25; the Big Sky and Southland Conferences had two each, and the Ohio Valley and Great West Football Conferences plus the Ivy League were represented with one squad.

Liberty dropped from the top 25 as Youngstown State returned at #24. Furman improved the most gaining six spots and North Dakota State fell the furthest, seven spots.

The pollsters also named James Madison's win over Appaclachian State as the Most Significant Win and North Dakota State's defeat to Youngstown State as the Most Significant Loss Of The Week.

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AGS is the world’s largest online community devoted to all of the FCS and has been hailed as "the largest collection of FCS afficionados on the planet." The AGS Poll was created in 2004 to give distinguished members of the AGS community a place to voice their opinion, vote for the top 25 FCS programs in the nation, and provide the media and coaches of FCS a valuable resource to gauge general sentiment.

In comparison to other polls, the AGS Poll had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll than either of the other two polls (coaches and media) had on their’s since their inception four years ago. The AGS Poll also had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll make the playoffs than either of the other two polls the past four years.

In order to ensure that the poll is accurate and fair, a committee of AGS veteran members has established guidelines for voter eligibility and accountability. The AGS Poll will be announced weekly throughout the season on Mondays and a final poll will be announced shortly after the National Championship game.

Complete rankings:

Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Richmond (68) 3-1 3172 2
2. James Madison (45) 3-1 3135 5
3. Montana (10) 3-0 2911 4
4. Appalachian State 1-2 2753 1
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2-1 2717 7
6. McNeese State (1) 1-1 2544 6
7. Cal Poly 2-1 2284 9
8. Eastern Washington 1-2 2079 10
9. New Hampshire (1) 3-0 2001 13
10. North Dakota State 2-2 1913 3
11. Wofford 2-1 1796 11
12. Elon 3-1 1611 17
13. Massachusetts 2-1 1458 12
14. Delaware 1-2 1439 8
15. Southern Illinois 1-1 1420 15
16. Furman 3-1 1362 22
17. Villanova 2-1 1323 16
18. South Dakota State 2-2 1087 14
19. Central Arkansas 4-0 1035 19
20. The Citadel 2-1 870 20
21. Western Illinois 2-2 642 21
22. Eastern Illinois 2-2 553 23
23. Georgia Southern 2-2 461 18
24. Youngstown State 2-2 406 NR
25. Harvard 1-0 263 24
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Liberty (53), Tennessee St. (51), Yale (37), Northern Arizona (30), Jacksonville St. (18), Sam Houston St. (17), Hampton (16), William & Mary (15), Univ. North Dakota (14), Montana St. (12), Albany (10), Dayton (8), Fordham (8), Weber St. (7), Prairie View A&M (6), UC Davis (5).

Dropped out: Liberty

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: James Madison
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: North Dakota St.

[SCPALADIN]

I'm a little surprised that Furman is ranked below Wofford...considering that Wofford's two wins are over teams with a collective 1-6 record. Also surprised that we're still ranked below Delaware.
That being said it is nice to see five SoCon teams in the Top 20.

[UNHWildCats]

Villanova wins and drops?

[danefan]

Delaware over Furman is stupid.

[PurpleandGold]

It's not stupid. It was a close loss and there was a big difference between them last week. A voter can still think that out of 10 games, UD would win more than 5. That warrants ranking them a wee bit higher. It's not like they're way above them.

[Millwoch]

I'm a little surprised that Furman is ranked below Wofford...considering that Wofford's two wins are over teams with a collective 1-6 record. Also surprised that we're still ranked below Delaware.
That being said it is nice to see five SoCon teams in the Top 20.

FU made a significant jump this week. I had FU behind Wofford and Delaware. You will get your chance against Woffy....make the most of it.

[UNHWildCats]

Delaware over Furman is stupid.
it can happen when two teams are so far apart in the previous poll and especially since the final score was soo close.

How far can you justify dropping a team with a 2 point loss to another ranked team and how far can you justify rising another for a two point win.

To insist a ballot have Furman over Delaware could mean either Delaware gets dropped farther then they should or Furman rises farther then they should.

[mcveyrl]

Delaware over Furman is stupid.

Yes, but I have a confession to make.

As I looked at my poll last week, neither Furman nor Elon were in the poll.xeekx xeekx

Don't know how I'd overlooked both. So, Furman debuted this week, but I made sure to rank them ahead of Delaware and Elon came in pretty high too.

It's possible that others realized this mistake (and it was definitely a mistake!) but felt uncomfortable about starting them too high. I had no qualms as I think the first five weeks help to sort this stuff out.

[PhoenixPhan06]

#12 and hosting SoCon newbie Samford this week. With a win, we could be in the Top 10 heading into the home game against Furman. Go Phoenix!

[UNI Pike]

YSU haters will need to take a break (at least for a week). That was a surprising result. Interesting to see how next week goes, both YSU & Liberty have a great deal riding on this game.

No love for the Citadel's win?

[Death Dealer]

#12 and hosting SoCon newbie Samford this week. With a win, we could be in the Top 10 heading into the home game against Furman. Go Phoenix!

Sweet!! Beating a top 10 at home will really bump us up in the polls!!!!!xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[appfan2008]

Sweet!! Beating a top 10 at home will really bump us up in the polls!!!!!xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

but with your luck probably not past that team!xlolx

[patssle]

Nice to see Sam Houston lose votes after putting almost 400 yards of offense on a top 20 ranked FBS program and holding them to ZERO points in the 1st quarter.

How many votes did App State lose after putting 239 yards and a worse loss to LSU, and allowed 14 points in the 1st quarter.

[appfan2008]

Nice to see Sam Houston lose votes after putting almost 400 yards of offense on a top 20 ranked FBS program and holding them to ZERO points in the 1st quarter.

How many votes did App State lose after putting 239 yards and a worse loss to LSU, and allowed 14 points in the 1st quarter.

would you like some cheese with that wine???

[WrenFGun]

Where are people on Albany? They should be in the top 25, particularly if a 1-2 Eastern Washington, with a win over Western Washington, is 8.

UNH is right where they should be at #9, IMO. I had them at #8. I had Montana at #1 considering their quality of wins. JMU also has quality wins, but Montana is without the loss.

[Millwoch]

YSU haters will need to take a break (at least for a week). That was a surprising result. Interesting to see how next week goes, both YSU & Liberty have a great deal riding on this game.

No love for the Citadel's win?


The Citadel made a great come back. They dominated the line of scrimmage the entire second half and special teams played huge. Did not expect them to fall or rise after last week, and mabe not this week either. I did jump FU over my bulldogs with the big win over Delaware. They deserve it. We will have our shot at them. Hell, we still play 4 teams ranked higher than us and one right behind us(GSU). Not sure how many we will win, but if we do the poll will take care of itself.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I don't know if I agree with EWU moving up after that joke of a game we played. The only thing it showed was that our D can sleep for 3 quarters and stil pull out a win against a good D-II team. We should have stayed at 10 or dropped a slight bit IMO.

[danefan]

Where are people on Albany? They should be in the top 25, particularly if a 1-2 Eastern Washington, with a win over Western Washington, is 8.



Tell me about it.xconfusedx

Danes get 7 less votes this week then last?

[UNHWildCats]

Where are people on Albany? They should be in the top 25, particularly if a 1-2 Eastern Washington, with a win over Western Washington, is 8.

UNH is right where they should be at #9, IMO. I had them at #8. I had Montana at #1 considering their quality of wins. JMU also has quality wins, but Montana is without the loss.


Tell me about it.xconfusedx

Danes get 7 less votes this week then last?
10 voters had Albany on their ballot. My guess is it was probably just UNH and Albany voters voting for them. xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x

[danefan]

10 voters had Albany on their ballot. My guess is it was probably just UNH and Albany voters voting for them. xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x

Oh well, AGS is historically a "record" poll not the best 25 teams in the country. Its expected I guess, with so many people voting who don't really follow the national FCS games, but rather concentrate on their own teams and conferences. And I'm not saying its a bad poll, because I think its still probably the best.

It just really frustrating when the poll acutally counts for NEC and Big South teams.xrulesx

[WrenFGun]

I frankly suspect it's likely an indictment of people's thoughts on UNH, though someone continues to vote them #1. With UMass also getting throttled by TT, perhaps it makes people think less of Albany's competitive showing? I don't know.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Villanova wins and drops?

Villanova needed a very heady play by their defense to ESCAPE a team that is picked to finish 5th in the Ivy League. The Wildcats did their utmost to try to lose that game but somehow pulled it out (again) in the closing seconds.

Also, Antwon Young has some serious questions to answer after this game, with 4 interceptions.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Where are people on Albany? They should be in the top 25, particularly if a 1-2 Eastern Washington, with a win over Western Washington, is 8.

UNH is right where they should be at #9, IMO. I had them at #8. I had Montana at #1 considering their quality of wins. JMU also has quality wins, but Montana is without the loss.

I am very interested in putting Albany in my poll, but not after a loss. They need to beat Delaware and then start putting the hurt on their NEC opponents in order to get into the Top 25 IMO.

I am impressed with Albany. If they win, they'll get on my ballot by the end of the year no matter how they do against Delaware.

xpeacex

[danefan]

I frankly suspect it's likely an indictment of people's thoughts on UNH, though someone continues to vote them #1. With UMass also getting throttled by TT, perhaps it makes people think less of Albany's competitive showing? I don't know.

I highly doubt the majority of voters put that much thought into it. I might be wrong though.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Where are people on Albany? They should be in the top 25, particularly if a 1-2 Eastern Washington, with a win over Western Washington, is 8.

UNH is right where they should be at #9, IMO. I had them at #8. I had Montana at #1 considering their quality of wins. JMU also has quality wins, but Montana is without the loss.

A 1-2 Eastern Washington at 8 certainly makes more sense than a 0-2 Eastern Washington at 10. xpeacex

Don't worry, our preseason is over. Every weekend from here on out we'll be proving we belong.

[EdubAlum]

ya being tied up with a DII team at the end of the third:) i guess a win is a win....

[Syntax Error]

Oh well, AGS is historically a "record" poll not the best 25 teams in the country. Its expected I guess, with so many people voting who don't really follow the national FCS games... It just really frustrating when the poll acutally counts for NEC and Big South teams.xrulesxA "'record' poll not the best 25 teams in the country ... so many people voting who don't really follow the national FCS games"? xeekx Taking shots at the AGS Poll and voters because not enough (in your opinion) voted for Albany when the Danes lost and are now 1-2? xeekx UAlbany is a good team but they still have to win.

AFAIK, the AGS Poll has no official bearing on the NEC and Big South.

[danefan]

A "'record' poll not the best 25 teams in the country ... so many people voting who don't really follow the national FCS games"? xeekx Taking shots at the AGS Poll and voters because not enough (in your opinion) voted for Albany when the Danes lost and are now 1-2? xeekx UAlbany is a good team but they still have to win.

AFAIK, the AGS Poll has no official bearing on the NEC and Big South.

Its included in the GPI isn't it?

And I'm taking shots at people who don't look around. IMO, Albany at 1-2 is one of the top 25 teams in the country.

And there are alot of people that vote who don't do any other research other then looking at records and scores. That's expected with such a national poll with voters who cannot follow each game with the detail it deserves. I'm not a perfect voter either. We all fall subject to rushing a vote now and then. That goes for AGS, TSN and the Coaches Poll. It goes into every poll. Polls suck. period.

So be it. It is what it is. In this case I think the poll is wrong. Clearly I'm in the minority.xpeacex

[WrenFGun]

A 1-2 Eastern Washington at 8 certainly makes more sense than a 0-2 Eastern Washington at 10. xpeacex

Don't worry, our preseason is over. Every weekend from here on out we'll be proving we belong.

For the record, I have no problem with Eastern Washington and had them very high this week and last week, even in spite of record. I used Eastern Washington simply to elucidate that I didn't feel as though record was ultimately the main reason why Eastern Washington (and thus Albany) should not be/should be in the poll. Eastern Washington had two good performances against FCS schools and were, seemingly, rewarded for that (along with projection).

Well, Albany has now had three good performances, including a win, over the CAA, which features twice as many scholarships. They deserve a spot, IMO.

[URMite]

Am I reading this wrong or does something look wrong with the points?

I thought it was 25 for a 1st place vote with 125 voters. So all 1st place 125x25= 3125.

UR & JMU both show more than that.

[mcveyrl]

Am I reading this wrong or does something look wrong with the points?

I thought it was 25 for a 1st place vote with 125 voters. So all 1st place 125x25= 3125.

UR & JMU both show more than that.

You get other votes too. (i.e., 24 for second place vote, 23 for third place, etc.)

[Syntax Error]

Am I reading this wrong or does something look wrong with the points?

I thought it was 25 for a 1st place vote with 125 voters. So all 1st place 125x25= 3125.

UR & JMU both show more than that.1 - 25
2 - 24
3 - 23
etc.

Others receiving go on votes, not points.

[UNHWildCats]

his point though is if you get all #1 votes avialable the total would be 3125. If you're #1 on all 125 ballots you can get points elewhere on the ballot 3125 should be the max possible.

[Eight Legger]

I am guessing first place votes are worth more than 25 points then?

[mcveyrl]

his point though is if you get all #1 votes avialable the total would be 3125. If you're #1 on all 125 ballots you can get points elewhere on the ballot 3125 should be the max possible.

Looks like there were 131 ballots to me.

1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)

68+45+10+6+1+1 = 131

[OL FU]

Oh well, AGS is historically a "record" poll not the best 25 teams in the country. Its expected I guess, with so many people voting who don't really follow the national FCS games, but rather concentrate on their own teams and conferences. And I'm not saying its a bad poll, because I think its still probably the best.

It just really frustrating when the poll acutally counts for NEC and Big South teams.xrulesx

Is Albany in the top 25 in the other pollsxconfusedx xeyebrowx

[mcveyrl]

I am guessing first place votes are worth more than 25 points then?

I'm guessing we've got some math issues...

Not indicting anybody, because I've definitely had some math issues in my day.

[OL FU]

Looks like there were 131 ballots to me.

1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)

68+45+10+6+1+1 = 131


I am too lazy to do the math but I would guess with that many pollsters and if richmond and JMU got most of the 1 and 2 votes they could easily reach that total

[mcveyrl]

I am too lazy to do the math but I would guess with that many pollsters and if richmond and JMU got most of the 1 and 2 votes they could easily reach that total

Yep, particularly with the 1st place votes dispersed like that.

[jlcharles]

Villanova needed a very heady play by their defense to ESCAPE a team that is picked to finish 5th in the Ivy League. The Wildcats did their utmost to try to lose that game but somehow pulled it out (again) in the closing seconds.

Also, Antwon Young has some serious questions to answer after this game, with 4 interceptions.

The defense bailed us out big time. Antwon had a terrible game. 3 of those INTs were in the endzone, one into double or triple coverage and the other 2 underthrown bigtime. Will be interesting to see who is the starter at home against Richmond Saturday.

Dropping one spot is more than acceptable. I'm interested to see how far we dropped in the Sports Network poll.

[Rob Iola]

Its included in the GPI isn't it?

And I'm taking shots at people who don't look around. IMO, Albany at 1-2 is one of the top 25 teams in the country.

And there are alot of people that vote who don't do any other research other then looking at records and scores. That's expected with such a national poll with voters who cannot follow each game with the detail it deserves. I'm not a perfect voter either. We all fall subject to rushing a vote now and then. That goes for AGS, TSN and the Coaches Poll. It goes into every poll. Polls suck. period.

So be it. It is what it is. In this case I think the poll is wrong. Clearly I'm in the minority.xpeacex
Well danefan - it's pretty much put up or shut up this week for daDanes - beat daHenz (again) and this voter will have you cracking the top 25, lose and I don't think you'll have a chance at it again this season, not with 3 losses...

[Gil Dobie]

Nice to see Sam Houston lose votes after putting almost 400 yards of offense on a top 20 ranked FBS program and holding them to ZERO points in the 1st quarter.

How many votes did App State lose after putting 239 yards and a worse loss to LSU, and allowed 14 points in the 1st quarter.

I dropped both after losses to FBS schools.

[OL FU]

Well danefan - it's pretty much put up or shut up this week for daDanes - beat daHenz (again) and this voter will have you cracking the top 25, lose and I don't think you'll have a chance at it again this season, not with 3 losses...

If they don't beat the hens, they have the same problem they had last year ( I thinkxconfusedx ) A good record but no wins against the teams that would get them ranked.

[UNHWildCats]

Looks like there were 131 ballots to me.

1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)

68+45+10+6+1+1 = 131
ok, well I didnt add them up, I just assumed the other person did :p

[UNI Pike]

Just who is that person that keeps giving UNH a #1 vote? That's a lonely island...

[danefan]

Is Albany in the top 25 in the other pollsxconfusedx xeyebrowx

No and I should not have singled out the AGS poll....just happens to be the first one out.

If you couldn't tell I'm just frustrated.xmadx

[mcveyrl]

ok, well I didnt add them up, I just assumed the other person did :p

No worries, I didn't either until your post.

By the way, 131 pollsters is pretty strong for week three, congrats to AGS!

[danefan]

Well danefan - it's pretty much put up or shut up this week for daDanes - beat daHenz (again) and this voter will have you cracking the top 25, lose and I don't think you'll have a chance at it again this season, not with 3 losses...

Amen to that. Win this week or worry about making the good ole' GIC.xbawlingx

[Walkon79]

I don't know if I agree with EWU moving up after that joke of a game we played. The only thing it showed was that our D can sleep for 3 quarters and stil pull out a win against a good D-II team. We should have stayed at 10 or dropped a slight bit IMO.


Who did you play? I missed that score

[Hoyadestroya85]

North Dakota state is having the deck stacked in their favor by a bunch of homers..
lots of respect to Delaware and App State fans for being somewhat realistic... Youngstown State is not as good as JMU or Furman and both Delaware and App St. returned good players from their respective playoff runs

[OL FU]

No and I should not have singled out the AGS poll....just happens to be the first one out.

If you couldn't tell I'm just frustrated.xmadx

xthumbsupx

Just beat UD. It isn't that hard. intercept 4 passes. get a lot of big plays and pray the refs miss a few last minute calls your wayxlolx

[UNHWildCats]

No worries, I didn't either until your post.

By the way, 131 pollsters is pretty strong for week three, congrats to AGS!
week 4 :p

[LehighFan11]

App St should be in everyone's top 5 no matter what.

Furman should be over Delaware, I had Delaware at about 12th and dropped them to 18th.

Georgia Southern and The Citadel should be in the top 20.

I had both YSU and Albany in the 20-25 range which isn't really being ranked just teams that deserve a look.

[mcveyrl]

week 4 :p

See...I also have math issues...xlolx

[LehighFan11]

What is the attraction to Central Arkansas? Who the hell did they beat?

[GSUhooligan]

What is the attraction to Central Arkansas? Who the hell did they beat?

The same UC Davis that put a scare into Montana this week

[LehighFan11]

The same UC Davis that put a scare into Montana this week
Ok rank UC Davis then.

[GSUhooligan]

Ok rank UC Davis then.

Davis is a good team. They almost beat San Jose St. and Montana. Had they played Drake, or a couple of Ivy League schools, they probably would be ranked right now. But they didn't schedule a bunch of patsies and lost to some good teams, so their record prevents them from being ranked. However, that doesn't mean that the teams that beat them do not deserve to be ranked.

[RabidRabbit]

Ok rank UC Davis then.

A 1-3 team, albet a total of 10 points among the 3 losses (to San Jose St, Montana, Cent Ark) is still a 3 loss team. They will need to pull an SDSU sweep of their remaining games, but especially Cal Poly, to get ranked.

[LehighFan11]

Well Central Arkansas is 2-0 in my mind...taking down D II schools doesn't really register as a win...they need to give Tulsa a game and beat Sam Houston for me to recognize they exist.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Who did you play? I missed that score

Western Washington. In Eastern's defense, the WWU QB was legit... he could start at most FCS schools, probably a couple FBS schools as well.

This one paragraph from the Western's Athletic site says it all:

Quarterback Adam Perry (Sr., Longview/R.A. Long) completed 24-of-37 passes for 349 with two touchdowns and two interceptions and also ran for two touchdowns for the NCAA Division II Vikings, who fell to 1-2. Western trailed by 17 midway through the second quarter but tied the game on the opening drive of the third period and were tied 31-31 with 13 minutes left in the contest.

[URMite]

Looks like there were 131 ballots to me.

1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)

68+45+10+6+1+1 = 131

Sorry, with last week and 1st place both in parentheses, and reading from my phone - I missed UNI.

[MCFAN]

I'm not sure what justifies Mcneese's spot in the pole. The game that would have been a measuring stick got Iked. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll gain any insight from this weekend.xconfusedx

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Boy, Montana is sure flying under the radar so far this year, curious to see how much longer that will last :D xpeacex

[PantherRob82]

Its included in the GPI isn't it?

And I'm taking shots at people who don't look around. IMO, Albany at 1-2 is one of the top 25 teams in the country.

And there are alot of people that vote who don't do any other research other then looking at records and scores. That's expected with such a national poll with voters who cannot follow each game with the detail it deserves. I'm not a perfect voter either. We all fall subject to rushing a vote now and then. That goes for AGS, TSN and the Coaches Poll. It goes into every poll. Polls suck. period.

So be it. It is what it is. In this case I think the poll is wrong. Clearly I'm in the minority.xpeacex


It doesn't help that your games aren't on any form of TV. I can watch the CAA, Big Sky, MVC and SoCon.

[Jerbearasu]

Here you go. I'm willing to throw mine out there. Feel free to pick it apart.

1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. James Madison
4. Northern Iowa
5. Appalachian St.
6. Wofford
7. New Hampshire
8. Furman
9. McNeese St.
10. North Dakota St.
11. Cal Poly
12. Delaware
13. South Dakota St.
14. Eastern Washington
15. Southern Illinois
16. Villanova
17. Elon
18. The Citadel
19. Massachusetts
20. Georgia Southern
21. Central Arkansas
22. Youngstown St.
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Liberty
25. Harvard
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[Syntax Error]

Boy, Montana is sure flying under the radar so far this year, curious to see how much longer that will last :D xpeacexxconfusedx

[Syntax Error]

It doesn't help that your games aren't on any form of TV. I can watch the CAA, Big Sky, MVC and SoCon.They've been playing the CAA. xcoffeex

[Death Dealer]

1. Richmond (68) 3172 (2)
2. James Madison (45) 3135 (5)
3. Montana (10) 2911 (4)
4. Appalachian St. 2753 (1)
5. Northern Iowa (6) 2717 (7)
6. McNeese St. (1) 2544 (6)
7. Cal Poly 2284 (9)
8. Eastern Washington 2079 (10)
9. New Hampshire (1) 2001 (13)
10. North Dakota St. 1913 (3)
11. Wofford 1796 (11)
12. Elon 1611 (17)
13. Massachusetts 1458 (12)
14. Delaware 1439 (8)
15. Southern Illinois 1420 (15)
16. Furman 1362 (22)
17. Villanova 1323 (16)
18. South Dakota St. 1087 (14)
19. Central Arkansas 1035 (19)
20. The Citadel 870 (20)
21. Western Illinois 642 (21)
22. Eastern Illinois 553 (23)
23. Georgia Southern 461 (18)
24. Youngstown St. 406 (NR)
25. Harvard 263 (24)

Well, I see three more steps to move up on.xcoolx xsmiley_wix

[Death Dealer]

xthumbsupx

Just beat a better than you are UD. It isn't that hard. intercept 4 passes. get a lot of big plays and pray the refs miss a few last minute calls your wayxlolx

You left out the most important part.xrolleyesx xwhistlex xrulesx xcoffeex

[Syntax Error]

You left out the most important part.Yep, score more points. xnodx

[Death Dealer]

Yep, score more points. xnodx

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx Apparently that doesn't matter in Keeler's little fantasy world.xrolleyesx

[Jerbearasu]

10 voters had Albany on their ballot. My guess is it was probably just UNH and Albany voters voting for them. xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x

I had Albany in my previous Top 25 teams but you can't just keep playing teams well and lose you need to win some of those games. As others have said, put a W up this weekend and Albany is right back in there on my ballot.

[ngineer]

YSU haters will need to take a break (at least for a week). That was a surprising result. Interesting to see how next week goes, both YSU & Liberty have a great deal riding on this game.

No love for the Citadel's win?

There are a lot of anti-Ivy voters. Same thing happened with Villanova's close win over Penn. No respect for wins over good Ivy teams. Harvard, Yale and Penn have shown consistent quality over the years, and Princeton has had some good teams as well. It's a shame the Ivy Presidents punish their football programs for the sins of 55 years ago, depriving the rest of the country the opportunity to see them play in the playoffs. The top Ivy teams can play with any top FCS team in the country.

[ngineer]

Davis is a good team. They almost beat San Jose St. and Montana. Had they played Drake, or a couple of Ivy League schools, they probably would be ranked right now. But they didn't schedule a bunch of patsies and lost to some good teams, so their record prevents them from being ranked. However, that doesn't mean that the teams that beat them do not deserve to be ranked.

UCD is having a tough season. A real tough way to start...but from experience close losses never help.

[Ivytalk]

[/B]

There are a lot of anti-Ivy voters. Same thing happened with Villanova's close win over Penn. No respect for wins over good Ivy teams. Harvard, Yale and Penn have shown consistent quality over the years, and Princeton has had some good teams as well. It's a shame the Ivy Presidents punish their football programs for the sins of 55 years ago, depriving the rest of the country the opportunity to see them play in the playoffs. The top Ivy teams can play with any top FCS team in the country.

Very well said, and 100% accurate.

[DetroitFlyer]

[/B]

There are a lot of anti-Ivy voters. Same thing happened with Villanova's close win over Penn. No respect for wins over good Ivy teams. Harvard, Yale and Penn have shown consistent quality over the years, and Princeton has had some good teams as well. It's a shame the Ivy Presidents punish their football programs for the sins of 55 years ago, depriving the rest of the country the opportunity to see them play in the playoffs. The top Ivy teams can play with any top FCS team in the country.

You mean the "non-scholarship" Ivy League do you not? The Ivy League certainly has a much longer history than the PFL, but the exact same statement is now true for the PFL. The top teams in the PFL can compete with ANYONE in FCS! Fordham fans are now worried that a loss to Dayton will prevent them from receiving an at large bid should they not win the PL.... By the way, where is a 2-1, (all FCS games), Fordham in the most recent polls? Just another way to show complete and total disrespect for the PFL....

Frankly, the Ivy League is voted higher in the polls than they probably deserve. A vote for an Ivy team is a "safe" vote. Vote them as high as you want as it has ZERO playoff implications.... The PFL is a different story.... If a PFL team is voted high, then the NCAA brass has to explain how let's just say a top 13 team is excluded from the playoffs.... Yale just might remember who that team was in 2006. No such worries for a top 13 Ivy team or even a top ten Ivy team.

Now as far as other teams getting credit for defeating a top Ivy team.... Well you see how that helped USD make the playoffs in 2006.... NOT!!!!!

It is really sad to me to see so many here so eager to access the Ivy money by including them in the playoffs.... Yet, those very same fans will turn their noses up at the "poor" PFL programs....

NCAA corruption is rampant.... Too bad that so many are sucked in and cannot see the forest through the trees.

[uofmman1122]

You mean the "non-scholarship" Ivy League do you not? The Ivy League certainly has a much longer history than the PFL, but the exact same statement is now true for the PFL. The top teams in the PFL can compete with ANYONE in FCS! Fordham fans are now worried that a loss to Dayton will prevent them from receiving an at large bid should they not win the PL.... By the way, where is a 2-1, (all FCS games), Fordham in the most recent polls? Just another way to show complete and total disrespect for the PFL....

Frankly, the Ivy League is voted higher in the polls than they probably deserve. A vote for an Ivy team is a "safe" vote. Vote them as high as you want as it has ZERO playoff implications.... The PFL is a different story.... If a PFL team is voted high, then the NCAA brass has to explain how let's just say a top 13 team is excluded from the playoffs.... Yale just might remember who that team was in 2006. No such worries for a top 13 Ivy team or even a top ten Ivy team.

Now as far as other teams getting credit for defeating a top Ivy team.... Well you see how that helped USD make the playoffs in 2006.... NOT!!!!!

It is really sad to me to see so many here so eager to access the Ivy money by including them in the playoffs.... Yet, those very same fans will turn their noses up at the "poor" PFL programs....

NCAA corruption is rampant.... Too bad that so many are sucked in and cannot see the forest through the trees.FWIW, I voted Albany into my poll.

However, as has been said, and whined about by certain PFL fansxrolleyesx the PFL really needs to play against and beat better teams to be considered. Even middle to lower-tier Big Sky, MVC, SoCon, SLC, and CAA teams will be a much better gauge of whether or not Dayton or any PFL school deserves to be in the top 25.

There are only 16 spots come playoff time. 8 of those earned it by winning their conference, and the rest have to prove themselves. If an Undefeated Dayton team comes along having played no one better than Fordham the entire year vs. an 8-4 SoCon, Big Sky, MVC, SLC or CAA team, they'll always take the team that has proven it can beat playoff calibre teams.

You keep saying that PFL teams could compete with the rest of the FCS, but we never see it because they won't play us.

In B4 I'm an "Old Guard" member who hates non-scholly football. xlolx

[patssle]

I'm not sure what justifies Mcneese's spot in the pole. The game that would have been a measuring stick got Iked. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll gain any insight from this weekend.xconfusedx

You have your spot based on last year's performance, a bad attribute about polls.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

You mean the "non-scholarship" Ivy League do you not? The Ivy League certainly has a much longer history than the PFL, but the exact same statement is now true for the PFL. The top teams in the PFL can compete with ANYONE in FCS! Fordham fans are now worried that a loss to Dayton will prevent them from receiving an at large bid should they not win the PL.... By the way, where is a 2-1, (all FCS games), Fordham in the most recent polls? Just another way to show complete and total disrespect for the PFL....

Frankly, the Ivy League is voted higher in the polls than they probably deserve. A vote for an Ivy team is a "safe" vote. Vote them as high as you want as it has ZERO playoff implications.... The PFL is a different story.... If a PFL team is voted high, then the NCAA brass has to explain how let's just say a top 13 team is excluded from the playoffs.... Yale just might remember who that team was in 2006. No such worries for a top 13 Ivy team or even a top ten Ivy team.

Now as far as other teams getting credit for defeating a top Ivy team.... Well you see how that helped USD make the playoffs in 2006.... NOT!!!!!

It is really sad to me to see so many here so eager to access the Ivy money by including them in the playoffs.... Yet, those very same fans will turn their noses up at the "poor" PFL programs....

NCAA corruption is rampant.... Too bad that so many are sucked in and cannot see the forest through the trees.

What a freaking cop out! xnonono2x xnonono2x

1. Get your league to request an AQ.
2. Play some teams from AQ leagues other than the Patriot. You have a beef with the OVC, then play and beat some of those schools.
3. Play more than one OOC game against AQ leagues because one win can't shed the "any given Saturday" factor enough.
4. Don't play any D-II or D-III schools.
5. Why don't you schedule your fellow A-10 all sports members UMass, URI and/or Richmond?

[danefan]

What a freaking cop out! xnonono2x xnonono2x

1. Get your league to request an AQ.
2. Play some teams from AQ leagues other than the Patriot. You have a beef with the OVC, then play and beat some of those schools.
3. Play more than one OOC game against AQ leagues because one win can't shed the "any given Saturday" factor enough.
4. Don't play any D-II or D-III schools.
5. Why don't you schedule your fellow A-10 all sports members UMass, URI and/or Richmond?

There is one giant problem with Dayton's scheduling: they will not schedule anyone that won't give them a home-and-home. That severly limits their upper level FCS prospects. That's why they don't play Youngstown.

[GannonFan]

You mean the "non-scholarship" Ivy League do you not? The Ivy League certainly has a much longer history than the PFL, but the exact same statement is now true for the PFL. The top teams in the PFL can compete with ANYONE in FCS! Fordham fans are now worried that a loss to Dayton will prevent them from receiving an at large bid should they not win the PL.... By the way, where is a 2-1, (all FCS games), Fordham in the most recent polls? Just another way to show complete and total disrespect for the PFL....

Frankly, the Ivy League is voted higher in the polls than they probably deserve. A vote for an Ivy team is a "safe" vote. Vote them as high as you want as it has ZERO playoff implications.... The PFL is a different story.... If a PFL team is voted high, then the NCAA brass has to explain how let's just say a top 13 team is excluded from the playoffs.... Yale just might remember who that team was in 2006. No such worries for a top 13 Ivy team or even a top ten Ivy team.

Now as far as other teams getting credit for defeating a top Ivy team.... Well you see how that helped USD make the playoffs in 2006.... NOT!!!!!

It is really sad to me to see so many here so eager to access the Ivy money by including them in the playoffs.... Yet, those very same fans will turn their noses up at the "poor" PFL programs....

NCAA corruption is rampant.... Too bad that so many are sucked in and cannot see the forest through the trees.

Typical DF rant - again, it's easy. Play a decent schedule, win most of the games, and you're in the playoffs. And also, again, the ones really keeping the PFL out of the playoffs are the PFL schools themselves, headed by the Presidents. They've never expresses a desire to be a part of the playoffs, so check with them first before railing against everything outside of the PFL.

[UNI Pike]

If Dayton wants to get a playoff spot, follow the Fresno State model, play anyone, anywhere, any time. The issue with the schedule will be off the table. Then all you will need to do is win. It is a clear cut decision at that point.

That is how the system works, good or bad. You can't have it both ways.

[89Hen]

Typical DF rant - again, it's easy. Play a decent schedule, win most of the games, and you're in the playoffs.
Waste of time GF... for three years he has refused to acknowledge that quite a few other teams have done exactly that. Blame the NCAA, blame the old guard, blame anyone but the ones who could actually make this a reality... Dayton. xcoffeex

[89Hen]

Typical DF rant - again, it's easy. Play a decent schedule, win most of the games, and you're in the playoffs.
Waste of time GF... for three years he has refused to acknowledge that quite a few other teams have done exactly that. Blame the NCAA, blame the old guard, blame anyone but the ones who could actually make this a reality... Dayton. xcoffeex

[89Hen]

And I'm taking shots at people who don't look around. IMO, Albany at 1-2 is one of the top 25 teams in the country.

And there are alot of people that vote who don't do any other research other then looking at records and scores.
Could it also be that people DO research and simply don't agree with you?

Albany hangs with UMass, but so does Holy Cross who goes on to lose to Harvard. We have no idea if Hofstra is any good at this point. Albany hangs with UNH, but so does URI... it would seem UNH may have some issues on D.

I'm not saying Albany isn't a top 25 team, but to imply that the only way somebody might think they're not is only because they don't pay attention or do research sure sounds like sour grapes. xpeacex

[danefan]

Could it also be that people DO research and simply don't agree with you?

Albany hangs with UMass, but so does Holy Cross who goes on to lose to Harvard. We have no idea if Hofstra is any good at this point. Albany hangs with UNH, but so does URI... it would seem UNH may have some issues on D.

I'm not saying Albany isn't a top 25 team, but to imply that the only way somebody might think they're not is only because they don't pay attention or do research sure sounds like sour grapes. xpeacex

You're right. It is sour grapes. Frustration spilled over, perhaps a bit too early and unjustified.

Albany needs to win. End of story. xpeacex

[rcny46]

I'm a little surprised that Furman is ranked below Wofford...considering that Wofford's two wins are over teams with a collective 1-6 record. Also surprised that we're still ranked below Delaware.
That being said it is nice to see five SoCon teams in the Top 20.

I think Furman should be ranked higher than they are;other than that,I feel this is the best week 4 poll I've seen.Of course,you have to take into consideration that this comes from someone who was singing the praises of ASU,on Saturday,and was ready to write James Madison off,and who,in giving his week 5 CAA predictions,left out two of the games.xsmhx

[PantherRob82]

They've been playing the CAA. xcoffeex

I know, but between road trips and tv schedules, I have yet to see the product they put on the field. I can't vote them in based on record.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

My main complaint with this poll...why boot Liberty for Youngstown? Oh well, I guess it'll be settled after this week.

[bjtheflamesfan]

My ballot for this week (hopefully a much better job after having time to get all my research and scorewatching done):

1. Richmond
2. James Madison
3. Montana
4. McNeese St.
5. Appalachian St.
6. North Dakota St.
7. Wofford
8. Northern Iowa
9. Eastern Washington
10. New Hampshire
11. Massachusetts
12. Elon
13. Cal Poly
14. Furman
15. Villanova
16. Southern Illinois
17. South Dakota St.
18. Central Arkansas
19. Western Illinois
20. The Citadel
21. Northern Arizona
22. Georgia Southern
23. Liberty
24. Eastern Illinois
25. Harvard
W. James Madison
L. South Dakota St.

[RabidRabbit]

My ballot for this week (hopefully a much better job after having time to get all my research and scorewatching done):

1. Richmond
2. James Madison
3. Montana
4. McNeese St.
5. Appalachian St.
6. North Dakota St.
7. Wofford
8. Northern Iowa
9. Eastern Washington
10. New Hampshire
11. Massachusetts
12. Elon
13. Cal Poly
14. Furman
15. Villanova
16. Southern Illinois
17. South Dakota St.
18. Central Arkansas
19. Western Illinois
20. The Citadel
21. Northern Arizona
22. Georgia Southern
23. Liberty
24. Eastern Illinois
25. Harvard
W. James Madison
L. South Dakota St.

BJ - Curious about why a loss of then #13 South Dakota St to #6 UNI at UNI was the biggest loss of the weekend.

Many had pegged the #2/3 North Dakota St. loss to #24 Youngstown St. as the biggest loss. I know this game shocked me.

[uofmman1122]

BJ - Curious about why a loss of then #13 South Dakota St to #6 UNI at UNI was the biggest loss of the weekend.

Many had pegged the #2/3 North Dakota St. loss to #24 Youngstown St. as the biggest loss. I know this game shocked me.And the fact that he still has NDSU at #6.

Did you even know NDSU lost, BJ?

[bjtheflamesfan]

BJ - Curious about why a loss of then #13 South Dakota St to #6 UNI at UNI was the biggest loss of the weekend.

Many had pegged the #2/3 North Dakota St. loss to #24 Youngstown St. as the biggest loss. I know this game shocked me.


I saw it as a chance for SDSU to once again solidify themselves as one of the top teams in the country. Its games like that that are often important come playoff consideration time. Im not saying that YSU over NDSU wasnt a significant loss...I just think that the far reaching effects arent as great as it relates to the teams involved

[bjtheflamesfan]

I was aware of NDSU losing. If they had lost by a couple touchdowns (as they very well could have) Id of probably dropped them out of the top 10 entirely. I try to factor in the competitiveness of FCS vs FCS games when I work on my ballot (FBS vs. FCS games arent overtly competitive in one direction or the other but I factor those in as well where warranted)

[89Hen]

My ballot...

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Southern Illinois
4. James Madison
5. McNeese St.
6. Appalachian St.
7. Wofford
8. Northern Iowa
9. Cal Poly
10. North Dakota St.
11. Eastern Washington
12. New Hampshire
13. South Dakota St.
14. Massachusetts
15. The Citadel
16. Sam Houston St.
17. Elon
18. Hampton
19. Furman
20. Delaware
21. Central Arkansas
22. Tennessee St.
23. Western Illinois
24. Harvard
25. Dayton
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[danefan]

My ballot...

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Southern Illinois
4. James Madison
5. McNeese St.
6. Appalachian St.
7. Wofford
8. Northern Iowa
9. Cal Poly
10. North Dakota St.
11. Eastern Washington
12. New Hampshire
13. South Dakota St.
14. Massachusetts
15. The Citadel
16. Sam Houston St.
17. Elon
18. Hampton
19. Furman
20. Delaware
21. Central Arkansas
22. Tennessee St.
23. Western Illinois
24. Harvard
25. Dayton
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

Tons of love for Southern Illinois, huh?

[89Hen]

Tons of love for Southern Illinois, huh?
For better or worse, I've had them at #4 since pre-season. The next two weeks they will either prove me right or drop in my poll. UNI and @NDSU. xthumbsupx

[bostonspider]

I do think it is very cool to see UR and JMU in the top two positions. I hope they both can stay on track for a 10-11-08 battle...

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics12/400/XT/XTYKUMAMWQDLNFO.20080922230700.jpg

[mcveyrl]

I do think it is very cool to see UR and JMU in the top two positions. I hope they both can stay on track for a 10-11-08 battle...

http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics12/400/XT/XTYKUMAMWQDLNFO.20080922230700.jpg

Did you make that? If so, very nice work!

[mountaineertider]

Here's my poll, are there any glaring problems?
Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Northern Iowa
3. James Madison
4. Montana
5. McNeese St.
6. Elon
7. Appalachian St.
8. Massachusetts
9. Cal Poly
10. North Dakota St.
11. Wofford
12. Eastern Washington
13. Northern Arizona
14. Central Arkansas
15. The Citadel
16. Villanova
17. Delaware
18. Liberty
19. New Hampshire
20. Southern Illinois
21. Yale
22. Furman
23. Harvard
24. Youngstown St.
25. Jacksonville St.
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[jlcharles]

My ballot...

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Southern Illinois
4. James Madison
5. McNeese St.
6. Appalachian St.
7. Wofford
8. Northern Iowa
9. Cal Poly
10. North Dakota St.
11. Eastern Washington
12. New Hampshire
13. South Dakota St.
14. Massachusetts
15. The Citadel
16. Sam Houston St.
17. Elon
18. Hampton
19. Furman
20. Delaware
21. Central Arkansas
22. Tennessee St.
23. Western Illinois
24. Harvard
25. Dayton
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

Wow, a UD fan with 'Nova off their ballot. Go figure.

[WrenFGun]

Here's my poll, are there any glaring problems?
Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Northern Iowa
3. James Madison
4. Montana
5. McNeese St.
6. Elon
7. Appalachian St.
8. Massachusetts
9. Cal Poly
10. North Dakota St.
11. Wofford
12. Eastern Washington
13. Northern Arizona
14. Central Arkansas
15. The Citadel
16. Villanova
17. Delaware
18. Liberty
19. New Hampshire
20. Southern Illinois
21. Yale
22. Furman
23. Harvard
24. Youngstown St.
25. Jacksonville St.
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

I think you have UNH a little low, considering they're 3-0 with a CAA win and a win over Albany, while UMass is 2-2 with the same tight win over Albany and two losses, and Delaware's only win is over West Chester. I think Elon is a little high after the shallacking they took week one, too, but they look over that.

[appfan2008]

Week 4
Approved
1. Montana
2. Richmond
3. Northern Iowa
4. McNeese St.
5. James Madison
6. Eastern Washington
7. Wofford
8. Cal Poly
9. Elon
10. Appalachian St.
11. New Hampshire
12. North Dakota St.
13. Massachusetts
14. Furman
15. Eastern Illinois
16. Western Illinois
17. Southern Illinois
18. Liberty
19. The Citadel
20. Central Arkansas
21. Villanova
22. Hampton
23. South Dakota St.
24. Delaware
25. Georgia Southern
W. James Madison
L. Appalachian St.


I hadnt thrown mine out there yet this week so here they are

[mcveyrl]

Here's mine.

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Northern Iowa
3. James Madison
4. McNeese St.
5. Montana
6. Appalachian St.
7. North Dakota St.
8. Cal Poly
9. Eastern Washington
10. New Hampshire
11. Massachusetts
12. Wofford
13. Villanova
14. Furman
15. Delaware
16. South Dakota St.
17. Southern Illinois
18. Central Arkansas
19. Western Illinois
20. Eastern Illinois
21. Elon
22. Youngstown St.
23. Harvard
24. The Citadel
25. Liberty
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[uofmman1122]

Week 4
Approved
1. Montana
2. Richmond
3. Northern Iowa
4. McNeese St.
5. James Madison
6. Eastern Washington
7. Wofford
8. Cal Poly
9. Elon
10. Appalachian St.
11. New Hampshire
12. North Dakota St.
13. Massachusetts
14. Furman
15. Eastern Illinois
16. Western Illinois
17. Southern Illinois
18. Liberty
19. The Citadel
20. Central Arkansas
21. Villanova
22. Hampton
23. South Dakota St.
24. Delaware
25. Georgia Southern
W. James Madison
L. Appalachian St.


I hadnt thrown mine out there yet this week so here they areJust curious.

How do you justify Montana being #1?

[Appguy]

7. Wofford
9. Elon
10. Appalachian St.
or being an App fan and justifying us being worse than both Wofford and Elon already!!xeekx

[uofmman1122]

My ballot:

Week 4
Approved
1. James Madison
2. Richmond
3. Northern Iowa
4. Montana
5. Appalachian St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Eastern Washington
8. McNeese St.
9. New Hampshire
10. Elon
11. Wofford
12. Delaware
13. South Dakota St.
14. Southern Illinois
15. Massachusetts
16. North Dakota St.
17. Furman
18. Central Arkansas
19. Weber St.
20. Western Illinois
21. Villanova
22. Georgia Southern
23. Yale
24. Montana St.
25. Albany
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St

Keep in mind I'm 15 time zones away, and catching games in real-time is extremely difficult. xlolx

[FCS Go!]

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. James Madison
3. Appalachian St.
4. Cal Poly
5. McNeese St.
6. Montana
7. Eastern Washington
8. Northern Iowa
9. New Hampshire
10. South Dakota St.
11. Furman
12. Wofford
13. Delaware
14. Western Illinois
15. North Dakota St.
16. Elon
17. Villanova
18. Massachusetts
19. Central Arkansas
20. The Citadel
21. Southern Illinois
22. Eastern Illinois
23. Georgia Southern
24. Jacksonville St.
25. William & Mary
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

Since everyone else is showing their hand...

[McNeese75]

1. Richmond
2. Eastern Washington
3. Montana
4. James Madison
5. McNeese St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Appalachian St.
8. North Dakota St.
9. New Hampshire
10. Northern Iowa
11. Central Arkansas
12. Villanova
13. Elon
14. Delaware
15. Massachusetts
16. Furman
17. Georgia Southern
18. Wofford
19. South Dakota St.
20. Southern Illinois
21. Northern Arizona
22. The Citadel
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Western Illinois
25. Harvard
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[89Hen]

Wow, a UD fan with 'Nova off their ballot. Go figure.
Wow, a newbie Nova fan taking a pot shot at somebody he doesn't know. Go figure. There's plenty of time for VU to enter my ballot. Play UR and we'll see. xpeacex

[89Hen]

Here's my poll, are there any glaring problems?
13. Northern Arizona
25. Jacksonville St.
NAU at 13 is very glaring to me, JSU ranked is less glaring, but still xconfusedx .

[HensRock]

Wow, A UD fan with 'Nova ON his ballot!
I think mine should make up for 89's....

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Northern Iowa
4. James Madison
5. Appalachian St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Villanova
8. McNeese St.
9. Wofford
10. Eastern Washington
11. Western Illinois
12. Furman
13. Massachusetts
14. South Dakota St.
15. Southern Illinois
16. Delaware
17. Central Arkansas
18. The Citadel
19. Youngstown St.
20. Elon
21. Eastern Illinois
22. UC Davis
23. Harvard
24. North Dakota St.
25. New Hampshire
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[dgreco]

^NDSU at 24??

my Week 4

Week 4
Approved
1. James Madison
2. Montana
3. Richmond
4. Appalachian St.
5. New Hampshire
6. Northern Iowa
7. Cal Poly
8. North Dakota St.
9. South Dakota St.
10. Wofford
11. Massachusetts
12. Delaware
13. Eastern Washington
14. Central Arkansas
15. Furman
16. McNeese St.
17. Tennessee St.
18. Villanova
19. Western Illinois
20. Eastern Illinois
21. Elon
22. Northern Arizona
23. UC Davis
24. Harvard
25. Georgia Southern
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[LehighFan11]

Wow, A UD fan with 'Nova ON his ballot!
I think mine should make up for 89's....

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Northern Iowa
4. James Madison
5. Appalachian St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Villanova
8. McNeese St.
9. Wofford
10. Eastern Washington
11. Western Illinois
12. Furman
13. Massachusetts
14. South Dakota St.
15. Southern Illinois
16. Delaware
17. Central Arkansas
18. The Citadel
19. Youngstown St.
20. Elon
21. Eastern Illinois
22. UC Davis
23. Harvard
24. North Dakota St.
25. New Hampshire
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

You are kidding with that ballot right?

[WrenFGun]

Wow, A UD fan with 'Nova ON his ballot!
I think mine should make up for 89's....

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Northern Iowa
4. James Madison
5. Appalachian St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Villanova
8. McNeese St.
9. Wofford
10. Eastern Washington
11. Western Illinois
12. Furman
13. Massachusetts
14. South Dakota St.
15. Southern Illinois
16. Delaware
17. Central Arkansas
18. The Citadel
19. Youngstown St.
20. Elon
21. Eastern Illinois
22. UC Davis
23. Harvard
24. North Dakota St.
25. New Hampshire
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

This ballot is pretty questionable. UC Davis ahead of New Hampshire and North Dakota State? I understand people not liking UNH because of their questionable schedule, but they have one of two FCS over FBS wins and are 3-0. Come on now.

[WrenFGun]

Wow, a newbie Nova fan taking a pot shot at somebody he doesn't know. Go figure. There's plenty of time for VU to enter my ballot. Play UR and we'll see. xpeacex

I think he's got a beef. It's hard to deny that that is anything more than being anti-'Nova for leaving them off the table. They were 7-4 last year, returned almost their entire time, are 2-1 currently and you have them off your top 25 (while a team like Dayton, whom I have no problem with, but come on is on!?)?

[HensRock]

You are kidding with that ballot right?

What's wrong with it?

[FCS Go!]

NAU is way too high if they are on anyones ballot. I'd have to seriously question Montana at #2 as well. Maybe the Griz are there if you believe Cal Poly is top 5 as well.

Re: Villanova- I think a lot of folks had them around the top 15 to start the year but they have had mixed results so far. They looked good the first quarter/half at WVU but their struggles against an unranked Penn team and a win against a Lehigh team that is off nearly everyones radar has left me wondering if they will capitalize on their potential. A good showing at Richmond will really help them. A blowout loss will send them out of most ballots.

[LehighFan11]

7. Villanova
11. Western Illinois
20. Elon
22. UC Davis
24. North Dakota St.
25. New Hampshire


I don't know how you rank Nova as a top 10 team with wins over Lehigh and Penn ( OT). Western Illinois is not a top 15 team. I agree with UNH guy above about having UC Davis above NDSU and UNH. Both of those teams are top 15 teams. UNH is 3-0 with a few solid wins, nothing great but alot better than 25th ranking. NDSU may have lost to YSU but they still deserve respect.

[LehighFan11]

HensRock, to be fair, heres my ballot.
Week 4
Approved
1. James Madison
2. Richmond
3. Appalachian St.
4. Montana
5. Northern Iowa
6. Cal Poly
7. Wofford
8. McNeese St.
9. Southern Illinois
10. Eastern Washington
11. New Hampshire
12. Elon
13. Furman
14. North Dakota St.
15. South Dakota St.
16. Massachusetts
17. The Citadel
18. Delaware
19. Georgia Southern
20. Villanova
21. Youngstown St.
22. Yale
23. Albany
24. Western Illinois
25. Harvard
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

[89Hen]

It's hard to deny that that is anything more than being anti-'Nova for leaving them off the table.
Wow, I guess I didn't know I was anti-Nova. And here I thought given the fact that I'm one Hen fan that actually doesn't even get why so many other Hen fans don't like Nova. I always thought I hated UMass more than Nova, but I guess I will have to rethink that. xcoffeex

[HensRock]

In your opinion, LF11.

By saying that NDSU and UNH are both "Top 15 teams", that means you expect them both to be ranked in the top 15 at the end of the year in most polls? Just making sure I understand what you mean. Because obviously they are NOT top 15 teams, at least in my mind. And I don't think either one will be in the top 15 at the end of the season. NDSU has not shown much, maybe they are down from years past. Maybe they are just as good but are now swimming in a deeper pond (MVC). UNH has problems on defense that will really hamper them once they get into conference play. Yes, they catch a break by playing the weaker half of the CAA South. But just because a team has a gaudy record, doesn't make them a "top 15". [see San Diego, Univeristy of, 2007]

[appfan2008]

or being an App fan and justifying us being worse than both Wofford and Elon already!!xeekx

i did that because of the way we played on saturday in the second half... i truly felt we looked like a top 10 team and not a top 5... that is why it is a poll MY OPINION... we can jump those two teams when we beat them!

[appfan2008]

Just curious.

How do you justify Montana being #1?

That win over Cal Poly... really did it for me...

[HensRock]

HensRock, to be fair, heres my ballot....


You do realize that our Top 10 are practically identical, except you have SIU and I have Nova. Yet you say I must be kidding? Are you kidding?

[LehighFan11]

In your opinion, LF11.

By saying that NDSU and UNH are both "Top 15 teams", that means you expect them both to be ranked in the top 15 at the end of the year in most polls? Just making sure I understand what you mean. Because obviously they are NOT top 15 teams, at least in my mind. And I don't think either one will be in the top 15 at the end of the season. NDSU has not shown much, maybe they are down from years past. Maybe they are just as good but are now swimming in a deeper pond (MVC). UNH has problems on defense that will really hamper them once they get into conference play. Yes, they catch a break by playing the weaker half of the CAA South. But just because a team has a gaudy record, doesn't make them a "top 15". [see San Diego, Univeristy of, 2007]

Well my interpretation of todays rankings are a combination of past history (I wish it didn't have to be like that but it is involved), what you have done on the season to date, and expectations for the rest of the season. I agree UNH probably won't be ranked top 15 at the end of the season, but I feel like they have done enough this team compared to what everyone else has done to be a top 15 team. NDSU is a much tougher case. They have had alot of great wins over the last few years but now are in possibility the best conference. Trying to predict how they will do vs. MVC teams is very tough to do. Most polls they are in the 7-10 range, I don't feel that strong as I have them at 14. It's hard for me to believe that a team that was ranked #1 by many to start the season should be ranked 24th after losing to YSU ( as bad as they have looked this year, its still Youngstown St.).

[LehighFan11]

You do realize that our Top 10 are practically identical, except you have SIU and I have Nova. Yet you say I must be kidding? Are you kidding?

Yea alot of people have the same top 5 or so. My reaction to your poll was because of your placement of Nova, UNH, and NDSU.

[jlcharles]

Wow, A UD fan with 'Nova ON his ballot!
I think mine should make up for 89's....

Week 4
Approved
1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Northern Iowa
4. James Madison
5. Appalachian St.
6. Cal Poly
7. Villanova
8. McNeese St.
9. Wofford
10. Eastern Washington
11. Western Illinois
12. Furman
13. Massachusetts
14. South Dakota St.
15. Southern Illinois
16. Delaware
17. Central Arkansas
18. The Citadel
19. Youngstown St.
20. Elon
21. Eastern Illinois
22. UC Davis
23. Harvard
24. North Dakota St.
25. New Hampshire
W. James Madison
L. North Dakota St.

While I thought leaving us off was bad, I'm shocked at how high you have us. IMO, we should be around 18-20. My opinion is likely to change after Saturday afternoon.

[uofmman1122]

That win over Cal Poly... really did it for me...I understand, though I still feel apprehensive about putting my boys at #1. xlolx

I guess I just feel we're too young, but they have surprised the hell out of me. I was fully expecting to be 1-2 at this point, and 2-2 going into conference play. We very well could be 4-0 after this weekend.

If we beat EWU @ their place, I'll be much more at ease voting them #1, assuming of course we don't slip up on any other conference games, which isn't at all outside the realm of possibilities. That's also assuming Richmond and JMU don't lose until they play each other. If so, whoever wins that game pretty much has a lock on being #1.

[Tod]

Anyone who has Montana in their top five is nuts.

But thanks for the love (and the interesting read)

:) :) :)

C'mon Griz fans, we can hang for awhile, but no way can we compete at the top of FCS.

I'm not being Wolfdick (or whatever) or alpha, I'm just sayin', no NC this year, but nothin' wrong with another damn fine season.

xnodx xnodx :( xnodx xnodx

[uofmman1122]

Anyone who has Montana in their top five is nuts.

But thanks for the love (and the interesting read)

:) :) :)

C'mon Griz fans, we can hang for awhile, but no way can we compete at the top of FCS.

I'm not being Wolfdick (or whatever) or alpha, I'm just sayin', no NC this year, but nothin' wrong with another damn fine season.

xnodx xnodx :( xnodx xnodxFunny (and ironic), that's also what people, including us Griz fans, said about JMU in 2004.

I'm not expecting a NC this year, but I'll never count my Griz out. We'll just see how things go.

Remember, hardly anyone thought our young defense could hang with Cal Poly. xnodx xnodx xnodx

I'm really enjoying this underdog role again. xlolx xthumbsupx

[Tod]

Funny (and ironic), that's also what people, including us Griz fans, said about JMU in 2004.

I'm not expecting a NC this year, but I'll never count my Griz out. We'll just see how things go.

Remember, hardly anyone thought our young defense could hang with Cal Poly. xnodx xnodx xnodx

I'm really enjoying this underdog role again. xlolx xthumbsupx

Me too!! xthumbsupx

I think that the Griz are a great team! Certainly my favorite! :D

Maybe I'm a pessimist, I don't know, but we're hanging by our rep, here, I think. Just an opinion, not meant as disrespect for my (our) team.

Go Griz! Prove me wrong (like at Cal Poly)!!! xnodx xnodx

[RabidRabbit]

Been unable to access Travis' FCS schedules for about 3 months xbawlingx xbawlingx

Who do the Griz have left to play OOC?

[FCS Go!]

Been unable to access Travis' FCS schedules for about 3 months xbawlingx xbawlingx

Who do the Griz have left to play OOC?

Central Washington- good D2 team(top 5?) but still D2.

[WrenFGun]

Wow, I guess I didn't know I was anti-Nova. And here I thought given the fact that I'm one Hen fan that actually doesn't even get why so many other Hen fans don't like Nova. I always thought I hated UMass more than Nova, but I guess I will have to rethink that. xcoffeex

What's the rationale, then? Lay it on me. Do you have reservation about their competitive performance against West Virginia? Are you dropping them out of the polls for the close effort against Penn, on the road? Villanova was one of the 5-10 best teams in the country at season's end last season, returned almost everyone, are above .500 and you don't see a problem not including them?

As for those detracting from UNH, they struggled against URI in the second half and against Albany in the first half, but have been pretty good other than that. They held an FBS Army team to 10 points and held Albany to 7 second half points. Their pass defense is a problem, but those assuming UNH has the same defense they always have had are in for a surprise. They have the best depth they've ever had, IMO (Kevin Peters, T.J. Taylor, Devon Jackson and Maurice Duper...all guys who have started, all coming off the bench), and they have the most impact talents they've ever had (Steve Young, John Clements, Hugo Souza, Matt Parent). Don't sleep on this defense.

If UNH is 8-3 or 9-2, I don't care who they played in the CAA, they are a top 15 team with NO DOUBT.

[89Hen]

Tons of love for Southern Illinois, huh?

For better or worse, I've had them at #4 since pre-season. The next two weeks they will either prove me right or drop in my poll. UNI and @NDSU. xthumbsupx
Halfway there and I'm still standing in regards to SIU. Of course I was wrong on Villanova... but hey, .500 is hall of fame! xsmiley_wix