Liberty @ Western

[The Cats]

Mr C picks Liberty 42 - 20 over Western. What do you guys think?

( I probably should have posted this one on the smack board..... here comes the mountaineers......... 3, 2, 1 )


No. 25 Liberty (2-0) at Western Carolina (0-1), 6 p.m.

It's been a while since Liberty has had such high expectations, hearkening back to the Sam Rutigliano era. With the Flames cracking the Top 25 this week, it marks the first time they have been held in such high acclaim since the 1998 season.

Liberty's offense has combined to score 85 points in its wins over Glenville State and North Greenville, that doesn't bode for a Western Carolina defense that has struggled over the past couple of seasons.

Liberty has plenty of versatility on offense, with running backs Rashad Jennings, Zach Terrell, coupled with the precision passing skills of Brock Smith and receiver Dominic Bolden.

Western Carolina dominated Shorter 35-0, but was blanked by Florida State 69-0. Jayson Williams has rushed for 97 yards and a 5.4 average, with quarterback Andy Horn passing for 307 yards thus far. Marquel Pittman and Donald James have 11 receptions each.

Liberty 42, Western Carolina 20

[phoenix3]

This is a really tough one. I feel pretty strongly that last year's Cats would've beaten last year's Flames. BUT, this isn't last year is it. I sense that this game will be closer than Mr. C predicted. With a pistol to my head ... Western.

[SuperJon]

Elon fans are the only team out there that can't give Liberty credit for being a good team last year.

[jcmanson]

Elon fans are the only team out there that can't give Liberty credit for being a good team last year.

And with good reason

[catamount man]

Mr C picks Liberty 42 - 20 over Western. What do you guys think?

( I probably should have posted this one on the smack board..... here comes the mountaineers......... 3, 2, 1 )

Consider the source. He didn't even announce in the offseason that we had a new coach.xrolleyesx

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[AppStsGr8]

It's SoCon v non-SoCon ... GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[phoenix3]

Elon fans are the only team out there that can't give Liberty credit for being a good team last year.

Who did you play? And don't give me that tired Toledo argument!

[SuperJon]

I'm not saying we played a great schedule. I'm just saying that if you look at us as a whole, and look at the games, you would see we were a solid team last year.

[Hoseinexile07]

I've got Liberty by 20.

[appstate38]

Mr C picks Liberty 42 - 20 over Western. What do you guys think?

( I probably should have posted this one on the smack board..... here comes the mountaineers......... 3, 2, 1 )


It's SoCon v non-SoCon ... GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

I agree, Go Cats!!! Don't let the Big South role up into your house and think they will beat you.xthumbsupx

[catamount man]

I've got Liberty by 20.

No that's how much we win by in Clinton next week. xthumbsupx

[The Cats]

I've got Liberty by 20.

with those type predictions, no wonder you are in exile...... xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

[gophoenix]

Elon fans are the only team out there that can't give Liberty credit for being a good team last year.

I do. You just matched up badly against us for that game.

[SuperJon]

Thank you. Sorry for lumping you all together. It just seems like most of the people from Elon look at our worst game since Coach Rocco got here as a benchmark for our program.

[phoenix3]

Thank you. Sorry for lumping you all together. It just seems like most of the people from Elon look at our worst game since Coach Rocco got here as a benchmark for our program.

I agree that you didn't match up well against us for the Elon game last year. And I don't think that game was a true representation of your program. And, yes, I expect a much better matchup this year. And you may be deserving of the top 25 ranking. I just have a problem with the Flames being heralded as a phenominal team after playing two D2 games and the schedule you played last year. BTW, there was a solid reason that was your worst game last year. Think about it.

[appfan2008]

Liberty is the better football team but wcu can win this if they are ready and get the crowd behind them and come out fired up...

[SuperJon]

I agree that you didn't match up well against us for the Elon game last year. And I don't think that game was a true representation of your program. And, yes, I expect a much better matchup this year. And you may be deserving of the top 25 ranking. I just have a problem with the Flames being heralded as a phenominal team after playing two D2 games and the schedule you played last year. BTW, there was a solid reason that was your worst game last year. Think about it.

Where has anyone said we were phenomenal? We have said we have the chance to be very good but have to prove it.

Last year's Elon game we were beaten, and beaten bad. Ask people who have been around Liberty, not fans, but people that have been around them, and they will tell you that game is the only game that they've seen Liberty come out and just quit in since Coach Rocco go here.

[Millwoch]

The off shore sportsbook has Liberty -13.

[phoenix3]

This is really hard for me to say, but, speaking of Coulson, if I remember correctly he had us beating Richmond as well. xbawlingx

[gophoenix]

Thank you. Sorry for lumping you all together. It just seems like most of the people from Elon look at our worst game since Coach Rocco got here as a benchmark for our program.

Some Citadel fans do the same thing to us because of the 2006 game.

[ATrain]

Liberty by 10...its going to be closer than a lot of people think.

[SideLine Shooter]

Cats, you have to REPRESENT!!!! It would be a total SHAME JOB for any SoCon Team to get beat up by a big south team. YOU MUST DO THIS!!!!

[elon77]

Thank you. Sorry for lumping you all together. It just seems like most of the people from Elon look at our worst game since Coach Rocco got here as a benchmark for our program.

Maybe Elon's best game and probably Liberty's worst. Liberty this weekend by a prayer.xeyebrowx

[whoanellie]

Cripes it just hit me. This year's OOC schedule with SB already made. We have 3 games with the Big South. Six years removed now, if We win all 3, Should We claim a share of Big South title? It just gave me a creapy feeling. KInda think We should live in the present and take one challenge at a time. Solid philosophy.

[WCU LawCat]

I believe we can win but will need a solid game and maybe a turnover or two.

[bjtheflamesfan]

My prediction (wrapped in a plug for my blog):

Liberty Flames 2008 Football Blog (http://flamesfootball2008.blogspot.com)

[catamount man]

I believe we can win but will need a solid game and maybe a turnover or two.

I BEEN CALLING YOU ALL WEEK!!! ANSWER YOUR PHONE!!! :D

[Reign of Terrier]

Liberty scored 85 points on what two team? How is that good? Western by a TD at least.

[appstate38]

I don't see how playing D2 schools prepares you for playing FCS teams. WCU by 10 @ home. Because the SoCon said So!

[bobbythekidd]

I don't see how playing D2 schools prepares you for playing FCS teams. WCU by 10 @ home. Because the SoCon said So!
Div II plays the same game with the same rules. Of course it helps you prepare.

I picked Liberty but expect WCU to show that they are for real. Liberty by less than 13, no matter how high the score.

[SuperJon]

The points scored in the first two games don't really mean anything.

The thing I take from the first two games is that Brock Smith has been throwing the ball well. Yes, it was against Division II teams, but his passes were still where they were supposed to be, he made good decisions, and he had good touch on the ball. This time last year we couldn't say that.

I also take from those two games that our secondary is playing better than I've ever seen them. They're flying to the ball and hitting extremely hard. I normally don't do predictions, but I'd be willing to say the secondary causes at least one turnover tomorrow.

The last thing I take from it is that our return game hasn't fallen off from last year. Yes, they were Division II schools, but the fundamentals of catching the ball and finding a seam are the same at every level.

[The Cats]

Yes, they were Division II schools, but the fundamentals of catching the ball and finding a seam are the same at every level.

You are right, the fundamentals are the same, even against a Div II team. The difference is you won't be playing against a Div II defense. xthumbsupx

[SuperJon]

And I agree with that. It'll be a good test. I've just been impressed by our team from a pure football standpoint, not because of who we were playing but because of how we were clicking. We also had a bad fourth quarter this past week and it really woke the team up. I'd rather have the bad fourth quarter or bad game against a DII than against, I don't know, Elon.

[jcmanson]

3-0 LU after one series from each team.

[bjtheflamesfan]

Touchdown Quan Worley 15 yards (apologies to WCU fans if I misspelled his name) 7-3 WCU

[jcmanson]

7-6 at half

[jcmanson]

13-7 LU after a 7 minute 86 yard drive to start the 2nd half by LU

We have dominated this game, just haven't been able to punch it in after getting in the red zone.

[jcmanson]

19-7 LU after recovering a WCU fumble, still in the 3rd

[jcmanson]

19-13 start of the 4th, WCU broke a big play for 6

[jcmanson]

19-16 LU with 7:12 left

[wkuhillhound]

Go Catamounts! xthumbsupx

[ERASU2113]

Go Cats.....not really xwhistlex :D

[jcmanson]

WCU ball 1st and 10 on their own 20 with 2:30 left

[jcmanson]

4th and 6 WCU on their own 41 1:45 left

[jcmanson]

They do not convert. LU ball with 1:30 left, and kneeling on the ball

LU wins 19-16

[IndianaAppMan]

They do not convert. LU ball with 1:30 left, and kneeling on the ball

LU wins 19-16

Liberty will need that win if they hope to make the playoffs. They'll need to improve a lot if they hope to get by Elon.

This game goes to show you the difference between the Big South and the SoCon.

[furman94]

What difference is that?

[jcmanson]

Liberty will need that win if they hope to make the playoffs. They'll need to improve a lot if they hope to get by Elon.

This game goes to show you the difference between the Big South and the SoCon.

Agreed, but a win is a win. Our defense played very well. Offense did well, but couldn't punch it for 6 when needed to. Now we get a week off to heal.

[IndianaAppMan]

What difference is that?

that the Big South champ just squeezes by a team that went 0-8 in the SoCon, and also just lost to a down Florida State team 69-0.

[BeauFoster]

What he said ^^^^^^

[furman94]

Thats what I though you were getting at, and I agree

[SuperJon]

I disagree about the different between the Big South and SoCon. To me, there's a difference, but it's not what you're implying.

Western was better than I thought they'd be. I knew they'd play this game tough and try to prove something. They reminded me a lot of Liberty in 2006.

A couple dumb plays for Liberty really changed the game. On a 3rd down stop, Liberty was called for roughing the passer (the call was right) that gave Western a first down and they scored.

After going up 19-7, Western had a player break a tackle and score a touchdown. A stop on that series and it could be a different game.

Liberty had chances and didn't convert. That's the sign of a team still growing and learning how to win and how to win on the road. However, a win is a win is a win. A road win is a road win is a road win. Playing on the road is something we haven't been very good at (2-20 out of conference since 2002 before tonight). We had to learn how to win on the road before we could learn how to dominate on the road.

Whoever said we have to improve to beat Elon, they're exactly right. We still have things we have to fix and have to get better at. The beauty of it is that it's just week 3, and we don't play them until week 13.

[jcmanson]

Just because we only "squeaked by" doesn't mean anything. You can read too much into one game. Elon squeaked by WCU last year 38-36 on the same field LU just won on. Same with the Citadel. Also, you co-champs Wofford "squeaked by" at WCU last year by the same margin the reigning Big South Champs won by at WCU. I'd be willing to bet that WCU wins at least 1-2 conference games if not more this year as they are much improved.

[appstate38]

Just because we only "squeaked by" doesn't mean anything. You can read too much into one game. Elon squeaked by WCU last year 38-36 on the same field LU just won on. Same with the Citadel. Also, you co-champs Wofford "squeaked by" at WCU last year by the same margin the reigning Big South Champs won by at WCU. I'd be willing to bet that WCU wins at least 1-2 conference games if not more this year as they are much improved.

I think you guys are going to have to win more games against better teams to make believers out many of the SoCon faithful. Yes WCU has gotten better, but they were still the last place team from a year ago. They will still to prove themselves to the rest of the league as well. And if they don't finish any higher than they did last year it kinda makes this win seem less important.

[jcmanson]

We will have our chances this year. Our next game is @YSU on 9/27. Yes, they are down this year, but that's still not an easy place to play. Then our big south games remain, and 2 more OOC games with Lafayette and Elon.

[Reign of Terrier]

Just because we only "squeaked by" doesn't mean anything. You can read too much into one game. Elon squeaked by WCU last year 38-36 on the same field LU just won on. Same with the Citadel. Also, you co-champs Wofford "squeaked by" at WCU last year by the same margin the reigning Big South Champs won by at WCU. I'd be willing to bet that WCU wins at least 1-2 conference games if not more this year as they are much improved.

That's because last year WCU had a rep for getting down early and then coming back to lose. But the difference was that all the Socon teams you mentioned scored more than 19 points. If I was Liberty I'd be concerned about the offense.

[phoenix3]

Liberty had chances and didn't convert. That's the sign of a team still growing and learning how to win and how to win on the road. However, a win is a win is a win. A road win is a road win is a road win. Playing on the road is something we haven't been very good at (2-20 out of conference since 2002 before tonight). We had to learn how to win on the road before we could learn how to dominate on the road.

xrolleyesx

[bjtheflamesfan]

I listened to the game and it was not pretty. There were a number of times I thought WCU was going to turn this game around. Looking at the stats, frankly this game should not have been this close. Gotta give big ups to the Catamounts for stepping up the defense after the first drive. Some bad breaks either way and this is a different game entirely if those things dont happen or happen even a little differently. Good luck in your next game and hope to hear about a success story for coach Wagner and the boys at Whitmire Stadium. May our paths cross on the field again someday WCU fans!

[catamount man]

I listened to the game and it was not pretty. There were a number of times I thought WCU was going to turn this game around. Looking at the stats, frankly this game should not have been this close. Gotta give big ups to the Catamounts for stepping up the defense after the first drive. Some bad breaks either way and this is a different game entirely if those things dont happen or happen even a little differently. Good luck in your next game and hope to hear about a success story for coach Wagner and the boys at Whitmire Stadium. May our paths cross on the field again someday WCU fans!

I spoke to a LU fan after the game and we both felt as if we'd went 15 rounds with Tyson. Good number of LU fans on hand and classy folks to boot. Other than the outcome, from my perspective, what a great game. We WILL get better!

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[appfan2008]

Just because we only "squeaked by" doesn't mean anything. You can read too much into one game. Elon squeaked by WCU last year 38-36 on the same field LU just won on. Same with the Citadel. Also, you co-champs Wofford "squeaked by" at WCU last year by the same margin the reigning Big South Champs won by at WCU. I'd be willing to bet that WCU wins at least 1-2 conference games if not more this year as they are much improved.

Until they do win a couple games i wont believe it... the big south is not as good as the socon... wcu is bad and you barely won... not good

[Appaholic]

I spoke to a LU fan after the game and we both felt as if we'd went 15 rounds with Tyson.

That statement alone tells you all you need to know about the difference between WCU and the rest of the league and the Big South and the SoCon...xlolx ....15 rounds with Tyson?...xlolx ...sounds as if the Pussycats might have followed the women of VMI when they left the SoCon to go to the Big South....we'll still have Samford for the WCU role..

[SideLine Shooter]

That statement alone tells you all you need to know about the difference between WCU and the rest of the league and the Big South and the SoCon...xlolx ....15 rounds with Tyson?...xlolx ...sounds as if the Pussycats might have followed the women of VMI when they left the SoCon to go to the Big South....we'll still have Samford for the WCU role..

Look out for Samford.xnodx

[ERASU2113]

Samford vs. WCU = Battle of the.....?

[catamount man]

That statement alone tells you all you need to know about the difference between WCU and the rest of the league and the Big South and the SoCon...xlolx ....15 rounds with Tyson?...xlolx ...sounds as if the Pussycats might have followed the women of VMI when they left the SoCon to go to the Big South....we'll still have Samford for the WCU role..

Once again, the village idiot has trouble with reading comprehension. I was speaking from a fan's perspective because both fan bases were spent after cheering, living and dying with their team for 60 minutes.

It is getting turned around whether you care to admit it or not. Have a great day.

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[The Cats]

...sounds as if the Pussycats might have followed the women of VMI when they left the SoCon to go to the Big South....we'll still have Samford for the WCU role..

as usual your rants don't even make sense....... except to other UNC-T fans..... xcoffeex

[jcmanson]

If I was Liberty I'd be concerned about the offense.

If there's anything I'm concerned about it's NOT the offense. Our offense shattered school and conference records for scoring last year, and we had 89 points in our first 2 games this year. The only thing our offense didn't do yesterday was put it in the end zone when in the red zone. I chalk that up as a fluke, and don't expect it to happen again. That was also the difference in it being a 2+ score victory to being as close as it was.

[The Cats]

....and we had 89 points in our first 2 games this year....

against two Div II teams


The only thing our offense didn't do yesterday was put it in the end zone when in the red zone. I chalk that up as a fluke.......

obviously, the WCU defensive unit had nothing to do with this "fluke"

[SuperJon]

Western made stops when they needed to. You can't call us not scoring a "fluke." It's called playing a team that's trying to prove something and them making plays. It's called our guys making absolutely stupid penalties taking us from 3rd and 1 or 2 to 3rd and 6 or 7. It wasn't a fluke.

We still have a lot to prove. No one will deny that. However, there was one goal for Saturday night, and that goal was to "win on the road." When you're rebuilding a program from the ground up, you focus on the small things and eventually those small things build up into the bigger ones. Last year we won a conference championship. If we can take that championship, duplicate it, and then add "winning on the road" to it, we will have a very good shot at the playoffs. Do we still have work to do before YSU? Definitely. However, even if we have a lot of work, or if we didn't "prove" anything to you guys, we still achieved our goal for Saturday night. Quite frankly, we have nothing to prove to the fans of the SoCon. We have to go out and take care of our business and things should take care of themselves. If we win the games we're supposed to win then things should work out the way we want them to.

[jcmanson]

fluke
n. "a chance occurrence"

Liberty scoring less than 30 points for the first time in 9 games is a fluke i.e. a chance occurrence, a rare happening.

That doesn't mean WCU's defense didn't have something to do with it. They obviously did. That doesn't mean our penalties or lack of execution didn't have something to do with it. They obviously did.

[SuperJon]

Look at who those last nine games were against. You can't compare stats against St. Francis, PC, CSU, and VMI when you play teams from the SoCon, CAA, etc.

[jcmanson]

Well, if you want to go back to the past 12 games we've scored at least 30 in 10 of them and that includes a CAA and FBS team.

[Appaholic]

as usual your rants don't even make sense....... except to other UNC-T fans..... xcoffeex

Not ranting, merely making an observation.....

[WCU LawCat]

These are my game and team observations.

Game
It could have gone either way at any point. Both teams made mistakes at bad times. The WCU QB was pressured hard at critical times. WCU was 1st and goal down 6 in the 4th and the QB was sacked. That was followed by a delay of game I think. The play clock haunted our QB more than the LU D-Line. WCU settled for a FG and was still down (which ended up being the final score). Another interesting turn of events was the LU FG that would have put them up 7-9 but a flag on WCU for "leaping" took the points off the board and gave LU half the distance to the goal and an automatic 1st down. That resulted in a TD and possibly the difference in the game.

Liberty's QB overthrew his target several times when he did throw. Solid O-Line. Solid D-Line. Coaches made good offensive adjustments at half.

WCU's QB needs to manage the game better. The play clock killed him. Wasted timeouts and delay penalties. handful of dropped balls and a few thrown behind receivers. Quan Warley looked good running the ball but we did not stick with it. LB's played really well. Hearns is dangerous from anywhere on the field.

The REAL difference in the game is simple. The WCU players still need to learn that if you Believe that you are suppose to win and are going to win then you will win. When the game came down to the wire I don't think the WCU offense or QB believed they were going to take the game by the horns and win.

[SuperJon]

That's why I think you guys remind me of us two years ago. Chris Lang compared this game to us vs Towson in 2006. You guys were in a position to win but just couldn't get over the hump against a team that had a little more experience and a little more confidence.

[catamount man]

That's why I think you guys remind me of us two years ago. Chris Lang compared this game to us vs Towson in 2006. You guys were in a position to win but just couldn't get over the hump against a team that had a little more experience and a little more confidence.

The good thing about last night's type of game was that Briggs would've told the boys in the locker room that they "were almost there" and "we are competing" blah, blah, blah. Wagner, from an unnamed source, knocked about 2 stacks of chairs over on the way into the locker room and verbally tore the team a new one telling them losing is NEVER accepted and that there problem was they've lost for so long, they keep that same mentality. Said he was here for 5 years and he "ain't going anywhere!" xeekx

The brother means business and it's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO WCU!!! BEAT PC!!!

[The Cats]

Not ranting, merely making an observation.....

ok.... the observation doesn't make sense either

[The Cats]

You guys were in a position to win but just couldn't get over the hump against a team that had a little more experience and a little more confidence.

On this we can agree.

On behalf of Liberty, your guys did not give up, hung tough every play, and pulled it out in the end.

But, I also don't think your team, nor coaches truly expected to have to work as hard as they had to for the win (regardless of what they said about Western in pregame interviews). At the start of the second quarter with a score of 7 to 3 in favor of Western, Liberty had the ball on the Western 49 yard line, on a 4th down and 3 yards to go for a first down. What would almost any team do in this situation? the game is not out of hand, there is almost 3 full quarters of game remaining and Liberty does not punt - but decides to goes for the first down - Western's line holds, resulting in a Liberty fumble, which loses a yard, but Liberty does recovers their fumble. This is either a team that has supreme confidence in their offense or one that had NO respect for the defense. I'm sure it was the latter.

[SuperJon]

I don't think it was the latter at all. I think it was having confidence in the offense. When you have a quarterback who is 6'3 260 you think that he can get two yards on a quarterback sneak. He just came up and started to run before he had the ball. The WCU defense didn't cause that fumble.

Also, if you look at the articles written by Chris Lang, our starting center said that you guys were stunting and slanting all night and that's what stopped our run game more than putting 8 in the box. They respected you guys, but they also respected our quarterback and RBs abilities.

[The Cats]

When you have a quarterback who is 6'3 260 you think that he can get two yards on a quarterback sneak.

Just to be technical here.... it was 4th and 3 yards, not 2.



He just came up and started to run before he had the ball. The WCU defense didn't cause that fumble.

Obviously, once again - you saw a entirely different game that I did. I saw him hit the line with ball in tow...... and stopped dead at the line of scrimmage. In your version, had be been playing against one of those Div II defenses Liberty saw the last two weeks, results would have been the same...... xoopsx

[SuperJon]

Oh, way to take a cheap shot. Good job on that one.

We saw him take the snap and never have the ball. That's why the ball came up in the air before going down instead of going straight down. The Western fans around us said the same thing.

[Appaholic]

ok.... the observation doesn't make sense either

The observation is you guys have sucked in the past, currently suck in the present and all bets are you will continue to suck in the future....perhaps you should consider moving to a conference where you actually CAN compete week-in and week-out.....if for no other reason so the managers won't have to keep re-stacking the chairs that Butterbean knocks over in frustration.....

[Appaholic]

The good thing about last night's type of game was that Briggs would've told the boys in the locker room that they "were almost there" and "we are competing" blah, blah, blah. Wagner, from an unnamed source, knocked about 2 stacks of chairs over on the way into the locker room and verbally tore the team a new one telling them losing is NEVER accepted and that there problem was they've lost for so long, they keep that same mentality. Said he was here for 5 years and he "ain't going anywhere!" xeekx

The brother means business and it's about time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO WCU!!! BEAT PC!!!

Can you smell what Coach Butterbean is cooking?

[The Cats]

The observation is you guys have sucked in the past, currently suck in the present and all bets are you will continue to suck in the future....perhaps you should consider moving to a conference where you actually CAN compete week-in and week-out.....if for no other reason so the managers won't have to keep re-stacking the chairs that Butterbean knocks over in frustration.....

xcoffeex

[Appaholic]

xcoffeex

How's the coffee?

[The Cats]

How's the coffee?

Petty good.....thanks for asking. How's your blood pressure? You get pretty excited when the subject of WCU comes up!!!!

Maybe not this year.... but trust me.... soon!!!!!

[Appaholic]

Petty good.....thanks for asking. How's your blood pressure? You get pretty excited when the subject of WCU comes up!!!!

Maybe not this year.... but trust me.... soon!!!!!

Well, it's not often you get to see your school score at will.....well, about once a year actually.....

[The Cats]

Well, it's not often you get to see your school score at will.....well, about once a year actually.....

Well, we took an a$$ kicking last year, there is no doubt. When you talk about scoring at will, you must mean Elon's win over PC. Other than last year, which other games do you think your mountain boys scored at will in?

[Appaholic]

Well, we took an a$$ kicking last year, there is no doubt. When you talk about scoring at will, you must mean Elon's win over PC. Other than last year, which other games do you think your mountain boys scored at will in?

You're right.....scoring at will is a little stretch, kind of got carried away....how about winning at will.....is that more accurate?

"The Appalachian and Western rivalry dates back to 1932 with the Mountaineers holding a 53–18–1 advantage over the Catamounts."

The Battle For the Old Mountain Jug Trophy Series: Appalachian State leads, 24–6, with WCU winning 4 of their 6 from 1981-1984.

[The Cats]

You're right.....scoring at will is a little stretch, kind of got carried away....how about winning at will.....is that more accurate?

"The Appalachian and Western rivalry dates back to 1932 with the Mountaineers holding a 53–18–1 advantage over the Catamounts."

The Battle For the Old Mountain Jug Trophy Series: Appalachian State leads, 24–6, with WCU winning 4 of their 6 from 1981-1984.

no doubt, we've kinda sucked at beating asu....... xoopsx xoopsx xoopsx but, Wagner expects to change that culture in the new future.

[catamount man]

I don't have the desire to argue tonight, but the signature says ALL.

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx


GO CATAMOUNTS!!!