AGS Poll Results - Week Two

[AGSPoll]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis)
1. Appalachian St. (69)
2. North Dakota St. (15)
3. Richmond (7)
4. Montana (1)
5. Northern Iowa
6. McNeese St. (1)
7. Massachusetts
8. James Madison
9. Delaware
10. Cal Poly
11. Eastern Washington
12. Wofford
13. Southern Illinois
14. New Hampshire
15. South Dakota St.
16. Georgia Southern
17. Villanova
18. Elon
19. Western Illinois
20. The Citadel
21. Central Arkansas
22. Eastern Illinois
23. Fordham
24. Furman
25. Youngstown St.
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Yale (28), Harvard (25), Sam Houston St. (25), Northern Arizona (24), Eastern Kentucky (21), Holy Cross (17), Liberty (17), Montana St. (12), South Carolina St. (12), Hampton (11), Jacksonville St. (11), Delaware St. (9), UC Davis (8), Albany (7), North Dakota (6)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Montana
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Youngstown St.

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Press release:

AGS Poll Week Two: Appalachian State Remains No. 1

Chicago, IL -- Reigning National Champion Appalachian State remains in the top spot in the AnyGivenSaturday.com (AGS) Poll of the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) season this week, garnering 69 first place votes.

Following the Mountaineers in the top ten were (in order): North Dakota State, Richmond, Montana, Northern Iowa, McNeese State, Massachusetts, James Madison, Delaware, and Cal Poly. The full results are listed below.

Four other teams received first place votes including North Dakota State (15), Richmond (7), Montana (1), and McNeese State (1).

A total of 15 squads received more than the five votes required to receive mention outside of the top 25.

The Colonial Athletic Association, the FCS’s largest league, and the Missouri Valley Football and Southern Conferences lead the way with six teams each in the Top 25; the Big Sky and Southland Conferences had two each, and the Ohio Valley and Great West Football Conferences plus the Patriot League were represented with one squad.

Eastern Kentucky dropped from the top 25 as Fordham jumped in at #23. South Dakota State improved the most, gaining six spots, and Youngstown State fell the furthest, 11 spots.

The pollsters also named Montana's win over Cal Poly as the Most Significant Win Of The Week and Youngstown State's defeat to league-mate South Dakota State as the Most Significant Loss Of The Week.

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AGS is the world’s largest online community devoted to all of the FCS and has been hailed as "the largest collection of FCS afficionados on the planet." The AGS Poll was created in 2004 to give distinguished members of the AGS community a place to voice their opinion, vote for the top 25 FCS programs in the nation, and provide the media and coaches of FCS a valuable resource to gauge general sentiment.

In comparison to other polls, the AGS Poll had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll than either of the other two polls (coaches and media) had on their’s since their inception four years ago. The AGS Poll also had as many or more of it’s preseason top 25 on it’s final regular season poll make the playoffs than either of the other two polls the past four years.

In order to ensure that the poll is accurate and fair, a committee of AGS veteran members has established guidelines for voter eligibility and accountability. The AGS Poll will be announced weekly throughout the season on Mondays and a final poll will be announced shortly after the National Championship game.

Complete rankings:

Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Appalachian St. (69) 1-1 2280 1
2. North Dakota St. (15) 2-0 2134 3
3. Richmond (7) 1-1 1982 2
4. Montana (1) 1-0 1920 8
5. Northern Iowa 1-1 1750 5
6. McNeese St. (1) 1-1 1729 7
7. Massachusetts 2-0 1714 4
8. James Madison 1-1 1680 9
9. Delaware 0-1 1532 10
10. Cal Poly 1-1 1430 6
11. Eastern Wash. 0-2 1419 11
12. Wofford 2-0 1332 12
13. Southern Ill. 1-0 1175 13
14. New Hampshire 1-0 1122 16
15. South Dakota St. 1-1 931 21
16. Georgia Southern 1-1 793 15
17. Villanova 0-1 746 17
18. Elon 1-1 721 18
19. Western Ill. 1-1 696 20
20. The Citadel 1-1 488 19
21. Central Ark. 2-0 481 24
22. Eastern Ill. 0-2 297 22
23. Fordham 1-0 293 NR
24. Furman 1-1 225 23
25. Youngstown St. 0-2 167 14

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Yale (28), Harvard (25), Sam Houston St. (25), Northern Arizona (24), Eastern Kentucky (21), Holy Cross (17), Liberty (17), Montana St. (12), South Carolina St. (12), Hampton (11), Jacksonville St. (11), Delaware St. (9), UC Davis (8), Albany (7), North Dakota (6).

Dropped out: Eastern Kentucky

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Montana
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Youngstown St.

[89Hen]

Good work.

Hey poll, last year you gave the previous week standings after the team name. Any chance you could do that again this year? :)

[Grizaholic17]

Looks alright to me :) :)
xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[appfan2008]

Looks great except only 93 voters... well off from last weeks 140!

[dbackjon]

How is Youngstown State still ranked?

NAU should be in there.

Ga Southern too high.

[lizrdgizrd]

Good work.

Hey poll, last year you gave the previous week standings after the team name. Any chance you could do that again this year? :)

That would be sweet! :D

[putter]

A little surprised to see YSU stay in the top 25. SDSU could be that good but not a good showing by the Penguins.

[Touchdown Yosef]

Looks good to me although I like Richmond as the #2 team.

[Rob Iola]

I'm curious as to how close the "most significant win" vote was - I'd guess that UNH would get quite a few votes after an FBS win (although the road win for Montana over Poly was quite impressive)...

[GeauxLions94]

Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis)
1. Appalachian St. (69)
2. North Dakota St. (15)
3. Richmond (7)
4. Montana (1)
5. Northern Iowa
6. McNeese St. (1)
7. Massachusetts
8. James Madison
9. Delaware
10. Cal Poly
11. Eastern Washington
12. Wofford
13. Southern Illinois
14. New Hampshire
15. South Dakota St.
16. Georgia Southern
17. Villanova
18. Elon
19. Western Illinois
20. The Citadel
21. Central Arkansas
22. Eastern Illinois
23. Fordham
24. Furman
25. Youngstown St.
Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Yale (28), Harvard (25), Sam Houston St. (25), Northern Arizona (24), Eastern Kentucky (21), Holy Cross (17), Liberty (17), Montana St. (12), South Carolina St. (12), Hampton (11), Jacksonville St. (11), Delaware St. (9), UC Davis (8), Albany (7), North Dakota (6)

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Montana
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Youngstown St.

Agree with all but one. Nothing against the 'Guins, but an 0-2 team that lost by 33 shouldn't be in the poll IMO.

[appfan2008]

1. Appalachian St. 1
2. North Dakota St. 2
3. Delaware 9
4. Northern Iowa 5
5. Montana 4
6. McNeese St. 6
7. Wofford 12
8. Eastern Washington 11
9. Richmond 3
10. New Hampshire 14
11. Cal Poly 10
12. Massachusetts 7
13. Western Illinois 19
14. Southern Illinois 13
15. South Dakota St. 15
16. Elon 18
17. Liberty ARV
18. James Madison 8
19. Georgia Southern 16
20. The Citadel 20
21. Furman 24
22. Eastern Illinois 22
23. Central Arkansas 21
24. Fordham 23
25. Hampton ARV
W. Montana
L. Youngstown St.


Here is what I had...

[GeauxLions94]

I'm curious as to how close the "most significant win" vote was - I'd guess that UNH would get quite a few votes after an FBS win (although the road win for Montana over Poly was quite impressive)...

I'm curious on that one too since that was my significant win of the week.

My poll for the week:
1. Appalachian St.
2. North Dakota St.
3. Massachusetts
4. Montana
5. Delaware
6. Richmond
7. James Madison
8. McNeese St.
9. Northern Iowa
10. Eastern Washington
11. Southern Illinois
12. Wofford
13. New Hampshire
14. South Dakota St.
15. Cal Poly
16. Georgia Southern
17. Elon
18. Western Illinois
19. Central Arkansas
20. Villanova
21. Northern Arizona
22. Grambling St.
23. North Dakota
24. The Citadel
25. Harvard

W. New Hampshire
L. Youngstown St.

[UNHWildCats]

1. Appalachian St. (69) - 1
2. North Dakota St. (15) - 3
3. Richmond (7) - 2
4. Montana (1) - 8
5. Northern Iowa - 5
6. McNeese St. (1) - 7
7. Massachusetts - 4
8. James Madison - 9
9. Delaware - 10
10. Cal Poly - 6
11. Eastern Washington - 11
12. Wofford - 12
13. Southern Illinois - 13
14. New Hampshire - 16
15. South Dakota St. - 21
16. Georgia Southern - 15
17. Villanova - 17
18. Elon - 18
19. Western Illinois - 20
20. The Citadel - 19
21. Central Arkansas - 24
22. Eastern Illinois - 22
23. Fordham - 26
24. Furman - 23
25. Youngstown St. -14

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Yale (28), Harvard (25), Sam Houston St. (25), Northern Arizona (24), Eastern Kentucky (21), Holy Cross (17), Liberty (17), Montana St. (12), South Carolina St. (12), Hampton (11), Jacksonville St. (11), Delaware St. (9), UC Davis (8), Albany (7), North Dakota (6)

[dbackjon]

My Rankings, although I did not mean to put Montana State at #25 - that should have been Jacksonville State

1 Appalachian St
2 Richmond
3 North Dakota St
4 Northern Iowa
5 Montana
6 Massachusetts
7 McNeese St
8 New Hampshire
9 Cal Poly
10 James Madison
11 Delaware
12 Eastern Washington
13 Wofford
14 Southern Illinois
15 Georgia Southern
16 Elon
17 Western Illinois
18 South Dakota St
19 Central Arkansas
20 Northern Arizona
21 Fordham
22 Furman
23 Sam Houston
24 The Citadel
25 Montana State

[appfan2008]

Conference Breakdown... once again dominated by the big three

SOCON-6
CAA-6
MVFC-6

Big Sky-2
SLC-2

Great West
OVC
Patriot... one each

[Rob Iola]

I'm curious on that one too since that was my significant win of the week.
...
W. New Hampshire
L. Youngstown St.
Yeah - I had UNH for the win and Poly for the loss, as Poly had a chance to bid for the #1 slot but blew it by losing to Montana at home...

[NDB]

Surprised how little effect SDSU/Youngstown had.

IMO (not a pollster) Youngstown should be off and SDSU should be at least 12.

[89Hen]

I'm curious as to how close the "most significant win" vote was - I'd guess that UNH would get quite a few votes after an FBS win (although the road win for Montana over Poly was quite impressive)...
I voted for Southern Utah. Heck, you get your first win in 23 months, that's significant... even if it was Adams State (when did Adams become a state?).

[89Hen]

Conference Breakdown... once again dominated by the big three

SOCON-6
CAA-6
MVFC-6
Do I need to break this down again, or are you not one of the ones complaining about it? xeyebrowx

[mcveyrl]

Surprised how little effect SDSU/Youngstown had.

IMO (not a pollster) Youngstown should be off and SDSU should be at least 12.

Yea, but if Youngstown's that bad, does the win entitle SDSU to 12th?

I gave Montana most significant win with UNH right behind.

[appfan2008]

I AM NOT COMPLAINING...

JUST RELAYING THE INFORMATION THAT I FOUND WHEN LOOKING AT THE TOP 25

[Grizaholic17]

Conference Breakdown... once again dominated by the big three

SOCON-6
CAA-6
MVFC-6

Big Sky-2
SLC-2

Great West
OVC
Patriot... one each

Interesting. I am going to throw it out there and say the BSC is tough this year. Weber, Sacramento, NAU, and Eastern all putting out quality, top-notch teams. And PSU always plays tough.

But no doubt that SoCon and CAA are extremely difficult.

[AGSPoll]

1. Appalachian St. (69) - 1
2. North Dakota St. (15) - 3
3. Richmond (7) - 2
4. Montana (1) - 8
5. Northern Iowa - 5
6. McNeese St. (1) - 7
7. Massachusetts - 4
8. James Madison - 9
9. Delaware - 10
10. Cal Poly - 6
11. Eastern Washington - 11
12. Wofford - 12
13. Southern Illinois - 13
14. New Hampshire - 16
15. South Dakota St. - 21
16. Georgia Southern - 15
17. Villanova - 17
18. Elon - 18
19. Western Illinois - 20
20. The Citadel - 19
21. Central Arkansas - 24
22. Eastern Illinois - 22
23. Fordham - 26
24. Furman - 23
25. Youngstown St. -14

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Yale (28), Harvard (25), Sam Houston St. (25), Northern Arizona (24), Eastern Kentucky (21), Holy Cross (17), Liberty (17), Montana St. (12), South Carolina St. (12), Hampton (11), Jacksonville St. (11), Delaware St. (9), UC Davis (8), Albany (7), North Dakota (6)

Thank youxthumbsupx

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Don't count on itxlolx

[Grizaholic17]

Thank youxthumbsupx

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Don't count on itxlolx

Along with 89hen, I greatly appreciate this. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[appfan2008]

it shows the movement that occured which is very helpful when comparing the results...

[Appguy]

Missed the voting
When does voting open/close usually? For some reason I thought there was an email when voting opened.

[OhioHen]

Looks great except only 93 voters... well off from last weeks 140!

No extension. Only those who know the routine got on board this week. Look for a higher number next week as some of the 47 who missed this week pay closer attention to the rules. xreadx

[patssle]

SHSU lost 10 votes for doing nothing.

[URMite]

Missed the voting
When does voting open/close usually? For some reason I thought there was an email when voting opened.

I agree. I thought there would be an email. But checked the login anyway. That is probably why turnout was low. I think that contributed to Richmond's drop. The new guys were voting us high.

And I still think EWU is low. They were 7 preseason and dropped because of 2 decent showings against the BCS?

[UNCBears2010]

SHSU lost 10 votes for doing nothing.

The same thing will probably happen to somebody else next week.

[UNHWildCats]

I agree. I thought there would be an email. But checked the login anyway. That is probably why turnout was low. I think that contributed to Richmond's drop. The new guys were voting us high.

And I still think EWU is low. They were 7 preseason and dropped because of 2 decent showings against the BCS?
Richmond remained #1 in my poll.

If Appy can get blown out and remain #1 in polls why cant Richmond stay #1 when losing 16-0 to an FBS.

[WrenFGun]

A couple notes. I like that UNH didn't move too far up based on the win over Army, as, IMO, it would've been unjustified. For the same reason, I think that Montana's win over CP was more impressive, given the circumstances. After getting ragged on forever about non-conference scheduling, Montana went out and knocked off a big boy. Good for them.

I almost feel as if I'm voting out of respect if anything, right now. Having Delaware so high is really a byproduct of their effort against Maryland, which I found very impressive. YSU should not be in the poll.

For what it's worth, I accidentally voted for EKU when I meant to vote for SHSU.

[URMite]

Did'nt you post the actual totals at one point last week? like ASU 3384...So I can see where the gaps are.

[AGSPoll]

Did'nt you post the actual totals at one point last week? like ASU 3384...So I can see where the gaps are.

Not me. xsmhx

[LehighFan11]

I really don't understand how NDSU is 2? I had Montana as an easy 2 over them. Montana goes into Cal Poly and gets a W. What did NDSU do? I doubt Montana will stay at 2 but right now they deserve to be 2. Also, a little respect for Cal Poly? What more do you want from them? I had them at 7. Also guys, lets go on Fordham. They win 16-0 on a CAA team and they are at 23?

[WrenFGun]

That CAA team isn't expected to be particularly good. We'll see how UNH handles URI next weekend, as that will be a good gauge as to where Fordham stands, IMO.

[89Hen]

Also guys, lets go on Fordham. They win 16-0 on a CAA team and they are at 23?
Maine beat URI 35-0 last year. Not much of a point there. xcoffeex

[CharlestonAppFan]

Richmond remained #1 in my poll.

If Appy can get blown out and remain #1 in polls why cant Richmond stay #1 when losing 16-0 to an FBS.

Well, Richmond wasn't #1 in the poll, APP was. Also, look at the level of competition between LSU and Virginia; that has to factor in somehow. FYI, Maryland lost to Midd Tenn this week also, so how does that play a part in your ranking of Delaware?

[UNHWildCats]

Sadly teams can fall some when they dont play and closely following 120 or so teams is nearly impossible on a week-to-week basis for most people.

I for one would welcome weekly messages from fans telling why their team should be ranked and stuff. It certainly can lead someone to taking a closer look.

If anyone wishes to do that feel free to send me a PM after next weeks games. :)

[elcid96]

How is Youngstown State still ranked?

NAU should be in there.

Ga Southern too high.

More importantly, how is Montana State still receiving votes.?xeyebrowx

[UNCBears2010]

More importantly, how is Montana State still receiving votes.?xeyebrowx

Because there are still Bobcat fans on this site that think their team is good.xlolx xlolx xlolx

[grizband]

I did not vote in this week's poll, as I decided not to vote until week 3, as an experiment this season. In the past two seasons, I have discovered my polls are greatly based off my preseason poll, which is purely conjecture of how I think the teams will perform. Hopefully, with three games played before I submit my first poll, I will be able to create a ballot based only on performance, devoid of any bias towards any conference or team.

[CatFan22]

Because there are still Bobcat fans on this site that think their team is good.xlolx xlolx xlolx

So a loss against a good IA team means we aren't good? But I guess the fact that it's MSU gives all the bigots over here the right to dog us. This site is getting unbelievable. If it were any other team, it wouldn't matter because it was a IA game. But no, it's the scapegoat MSU. I can't wait til MSU stomps all over unc's ass November 1st.

[UNCBears2010]

So a loss against a good IA team means we aren't good? But I guess the fact that it's MSU gives all the bigots over here the right to dog us. This site is getting unbelievable. I can't wait til MSU stomps all over unc's ass November 1st.

That wasn't just a loss, you guys got blown out of the water and embarrassed. UNC played a good FBS team this week too, and we were within 20 in the 4th quarter. If you think MSU should still be getting votes after that performance, then I guess UNC should be ranked.xlolx xlolx xlolx

[CatFan22]

That wasn't just a loss, you guys got blown out of the water and embarrassed. UNC played a good FBS team this week too, and we were within 20 in the 4th quarter. If you think MSU should still be getting votes after that performance, then I guess UNC should be ranked.xlolx xlolx xlolx

Too bad one game doesn't make a season. But I guess that's your mentality when you you guys win an anomaly game like the one against us last year. You don't base voting on a team on one bad performance in 2 games. If you have that kind of thinking (which I suspect many voters here do) then the AGS poll is a joke and you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[UNCBears2010]

Too bad one game doesn't make a season. But I guess that's your mentality when you you guys win an anomaly game like the one against us last year. You don't base voting on a team on one bad performance in 2 games. If you have that kind of thinking (which I suspect many voters here do) then the AGS poll is a joke and you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Then I guess the AP Poll for FBS is a "joke" too. After one bad game against Alabama, Clemson fell from #9 to out of the poll. If all you have is a 2 game sample size, you make your opinion based on those 2 games, and MSU lost the most recent of their 2 games by 59 points, so I can't vote for them.

P.S. I was just kidding about UNC being ranked.

[CatFan22]

I'm just saying there's no way in hell I'd put a team on my ballot that had just lost 69-10, I don't care who they played. Now, if MSU goes out next week and proves this week was a fluke, my opinion of them will change, but if they don't, it won't.

Then good. Validate your opinion next week. But you contradicted yourself in saying you are going to base your opinion on next weeks performance. Awesome. xeyebrowx

[CatFan22]

Then I guess the AP Poll for FBS is a "joke" too. After one bad game against Alabama, Clemson fell from #9 to out of the poll. If all you have is a 2 game sample size, you make your opinion based on those 2 games, and MSU lost the most recent of their 2 games by 59 points, so I can't vote for them.

P.S. I was just kidding about UNC being ranked.

Yeah the FBS poll is a joke sometimes too. I think it's dumb to punish a team so bad based on one game. There is almost no chance now, that Clemson can climb back that high and try for a championship.
I'm only this bitter about it because if MSU has one mess up, they are crucified for it. It gets pretty frickin' old.

[GOKATS]

I did not vote in this week's poll, as I decided not to vote until week 3, as an experiment this season. In the past two seasons, I have discovered my polls are greatly based off my preseason poll, which is purely conjecture of how I think the teams will perform. Hopefully, with three games played before I submit my first poll, I will be able to create a ballot based only on performance, devoid of any bias towards any conference or team.

You might want to read the AGS Poll Rules. If you miss more than two votes during the regular season you're out.

[UNHWildCats]

I did not vote in this week's poll, as I decided not to vote until week 3, as an experiment this season. In the past two seasons, I have discovered my polls are greatly based off my preseason poll, which is purely conjecture of how I think the teams will perform. Hopefully, with three games played before I submit my first poll, I will be able to create a ballot based only on performance, devoid of any bias towards any conference or team.
In the past I have had some wild early movement in my polls because of that.

[UNCBears2010]

Then good. Validate your opinion next week. But you contradicted yourself in saying you are going to base your opinion on next weeks performance. Awesome. xeyebrowx

How did I contradict myself? When I look at MSU and whether I'm going to vote for them or not, I'm looking at the 2008 Montana State Bobcats, currently, there is a sample size of 2 games for me to look at, and one of them was terrible. If the sample size grows and it becomes clear that this week's game was an anomaly, I'll consider voting for them again. One bad game out of two is much different than one bad game out of five, ten, or twelve.

[dgreco]

How is Youngstown State still ranked?

NAU should be in there.

Ga Southern too high.

cause its bs, I got bs for my picks but ysu can stay in, bizarre.

[LehighFan11]

Maine beat URI 35-0 last year. Not much of a point there. xcoffeex

Fordham hasn't shown anything to say they don't deserve to be 15-20th. They make the playoffs and give Umass a stiff test then open the season beating a CAA team 16-0. If they were to struggle vs. Dayton or drop a bad Ivy or Patriot league game then I'd kick them out. But, until that happens you can't make a case for them not being ranked higher than 23rd.

[CatFan22]

How did I contradict myself? When I look at MSU and whether I'm going to vote for them or not, I'm looking at the 2008 Montana State Bobcats, currently, there is a sample size of 2 games for me to look at, and one of them was terrible. If the sample size grows and it becomes clear that this week's game was an anomaly, I'll consider voting for them again. One bad game out of two is much different than one bad game out of five, ten, or twelve.

Well of course it will be different at the end of the season, but you make it sound like one game makes the entire team. But you are then going to rethink it next week if they do better. Just sounded a little off.

[UNCBears2010]

Well of course it will be different at the end of the season, but you make it sound like one game makes the entire team. But you are then going to rethink it next week if they do better. Just sounded a little off.

I meant that, for now, that one game kind of does define the team, but when there's more to look at, it won't.

[CatFan22]

I meant that, for now, that one game kind of does define the team, but when there's more to look at, it won't.

Alright. Fair enough.

[JayJ79]

North Dakota received votes??

I don't doubt they'll be an alright team, despite being a first-year transitional team. But top-25??

after wins over TXA&M-Kingsville and St Cloud St?

[89Hen]

Fordham hasn't shown anything to say they don't deserve to be 15-20th. They make the playoffs and give Umass a stiff test then open the season beating a CAA team 16-0. If they were to struggle vs. Dayton or drop a bad Ivy or Patriot league game then I'd kick them out. But, until that happens you can't make a case for them not being ranked higher than 23rd.
xconfusedx You're including a "stiff test" loss in 2007 to a reason why they can't be ranked lower than 20? xconfusedx xeyebrowx If you want to include that loss, why not the loss to Bucknell the week before?

Obviously a lot of voters DO think they have a case for them to be below 20.

[LehighFan11]

Maine beat URI 35-0 last year. Not much of a point there. xcoffeex

By the way, since you used a score from last years game to judge this years polls. I see that URI beat Umass 12-6. I'm sure you'll come up with some reason as to why Umass lost that game. Lets hope for the CAA that your powers Umass, Del, Richmond, and JMU don't struggle with URI this year.

[LehighFan11]

xconfusedx You're including a "stiff test" loss in 2007 to a reason why they can't be ranked lower than 20? xconfusedx xeyebrowx If you want to include that loss, why not the loss to Bucknell the week before?

Obviously a lot of voters DO think they have a case for them to be below 20.

They had the league all wrapped up, they had no gain from being Bucknell.

[WrenFGun]

LU,

I think Fordham should be higher, but noting a win over a "CAA Team" isn't really the basis for it. Fordham should be higher based on the fact that they return most of their players and won the PL last year.

[LehighFan11]

LU,

I think Fordham should be higher, but noting a win over a "CAA Team" isn't really the basis for it. Fordham should be higher based on the fact that they return most of their players and won the PL last year.
Yea of course, I figured that was a given. And if UNH does pound URI and Fordham struggles agaisnt Dayton then yes I would rethink my position on how strong Fordham is.

[OL FU]

They had the league all wrapped up, they had no gain from being Bucknell.

That would have been akin to ASU losing to Western Carolina at the end of the yearxeyebrowx

[89Hen]

By the way, since you used a score from last years game to judge this years polls...
No. I'm just showing that beating URI is not usually a reason for a ranking. I don't think it's been the basis for a ranking since 1985ish. xcoffeex

[Tribe4SF]

I got no email announcing this weeks poll. Because of the difficulties last week, I was waiting to see what the schedule would be. Hope they don't hold this against me, cause I've never missed a vote.xsmhx

[LehighFan11]

I just don't know what more you want Fordham to do. They return a great team that won the PL and tested Umass. And yes i'm using the whole good loss thing. Last year the only CAA teams that could of won a playoff game @ umass would of been Rich, Del, and JMU and they are all highly ranked again this year. Fordham doesn't schedule a cupcake non -scholy for their first game and they win 16-0. We all praise UNH for pounding the worst FBS team known to man but look away when a PL team beats a CAA? Just a little respect is all I'm asking for. I've got all the 6 CAA teams ranked too, trust me.

[89Hen]

Last year the only CAA teams that could of won a playoff game @ umass would of been Rich, Del, and JMU and they are all highly ranked again this year.
xconfusedx I'm not sure I follow your thinking. You're saying you think those three teams could have won @ UMass, but because FU didn't, they should be highly ranked like them? xconfusedx

[89Hen]

Just a little respect is all I'm asking for.
For Fordham or the PL? FWIW I have Holy Cross at 17. I think they will win the PL this year. xpeacex

[Houndawg]

I'm curious as to how close the "most significant win" vote was - I'd guess that UNH would get quite a few votes after an FBS win (although the road win for Montana over Poly was quite impressive)...

I'd agree with UM over Cal Poly. I believe Cal Poly could beat Army, too.

[LehighFan11]

xconfusedx I'm not sure I follow your thinking. You're saying you think those three teams could have won @ UMass, but because FU didn't, they should be highly ranked like them? xconfusedx

No, no, JMU, richmond, and delaware all deserve to be very highly ranked. I have them all inside the top 13. I was just saying that your asking alot out of a team to win @ umass in a playoff game and those teams that can do that are very highly ranked. Well, I guess since you have HC at 17 that is fine. I personally think Fordham will win, but HC is fine.

[grizband]

You might want to read the AGS Poll Rules. If you miss more than two votes during the regular season you're out.
I am aware of the rules, and do not generally miss votes during the season. The first ballot I will submit will be after next week's games, at which time many FCS teams will have played three games.

[already123]

Even though Easter Washington has had relatively good showings in both their games against Big 12 teams...I think the fact that they are 0-2 does not merit them a top 17 ranking.

I have no doubt that they will get back up there once conference rolls around...but for now 11th is too high IMO

[Green Cookie Monster]

NAU should be in there.

Why? NM Highlands, come on.

[Fordham]

I'm just happy to see us back in the top 25 again. I appreciate the support LehighFan11 - seriously, that's great. Personally, though, I don't have a problem with any of this now that we're at least back in the top 25. The rest of it will take care of itself as the season wears on and we either pile on victories and progress up the rankings or lose games we should win and drop out.

What is very encouraging, though, is the league's OOC performance in the first full week of games. The games weren't THAT challenging overall but at least we all took care of business. And in the most challenging of all the games, it's arguable that HC had the league's best performance even though they came up just short in the end. Let's hope the next few weeks play out in similar fashion so we can start earning some respect back after the previous seasons' rough OOC performances.

[BEAR]

SHSU lost 10 votes for doing nothing.

Ha! Ha! UCA is doing nothing next week.....against UAPB...then the week after against Quincy...I bet they lose 20 points...........oh yeah....Tulsa the week after......darn....there goes the top 25....xsmhx

xlolx

[Fordham]

FWIW, I'm expecting a nice "appreciation" bump in the AGS poll if we take care of business this weekend at Dayton.

:D :p

[LehighFan11]

I'm just happy to see us back in the top 25 again. I appreciate the support LehighFan11 - seriously, that's great. Personally, though, I don't have a problem with any of this now that we're at least back in the top 25. The rest of it will take care of itself as the season wears on and we either pile on victories and progress up the rankings or lose games we should win and drop out.

What is very encouraging, though, is the league's OOC performance in the first full week of games. The games weren't THAT challenging overall but at least we all took care of business. And in the most challenging of all the games, it's arguable that HC had the league's best performance even though they came up just short in the end. Let's hope the next few weeks play out in similar fashion so we can start earning some respect back after the previous seasons' rough OOC performances.
Haha no problem, I just feel like Fordham has alot of talent returning and should be ranked higher than 23rd, which is basically worthless. Fordham schedules a CAA team and win 16-0, would people view it different if Fordham won by 40? I'm hoping Fordham can prove to the voters the PL deserves some respect. I could be flat wrong here and we will find out soon as the PL has big games upcoming over the next few weeks.

[dbackjon]

Why? NM Highlands, come on.

Because we are better than YSU, for one. And better than the 6th place Southern and CAA teams, as well.

Keep playing like you did against CSU (except when you travel to Flag) and you will be deserving a spot as well, and wonder why the people that think there is no good football west of the Rockies other than Montana ignore you as well.

[EdubAlum]

I agree. I thought there would be an email. But checked the login anyway. That is probably why turnout was low. I think that contributed to Richmond's drop. The new guys were voting us high.

And I still think EWU is low. They were 7 preseason and dropped because of 2 decent showings against the BCS?

amen brother!

[HensRock]

Yea of course, I figured that was a given. And if UNH does pound URI and Fordham struggles agaisnt Dayton then yes I would rethink my position on how strong Fordham is.

Everyone is going to pound URI this year. They are an option team with a first-year coach trying to convert to a more balanced offense, but they just don't have the personnel in place yet. Add to that, the fact that their All-American "Mr. Everything" fullback, Joe Casey was lost for the season in week 1, and well.... the Rams just don't have a whole lot of weapons. It's going to be a looooooong season in Kingston, RI.

[GOKATS]

I am aware of the rules, and do not generally miss votes during the season. The first ballot I will submit will be after next week's games, at which time many FCS teams will have played three games.

You may be aware of the rules, but maybe you don't understand them (or I don't).

These are the AGS Poll voting weeks:


***2008 Poll Voting Dates and Times***
(vote within the date/time periods, all CST):

Preseason: 5/24 11 pm, 5/26 Noon
Week 1: 8/30 11 pm, 9/1 Noon
Week 2: 9/6 11 pm, 9/8 Noon
Week 3: 9/13 11 pm, 9/15 Noon
Week 4: 9/20 11 pm, 9/22 Noon
Week 5: 9/27 11 pm, 9/29 Noon
Week 6: 10/4 11 pm, 10/6 Noon
Week 7: 10/11 11 pm, 10/13 Noon
Week 8: 10/18 11 pm, 10/20 Noon
Week 9: 10/25 11 pm, 10/27 Noon
Week 10: 11/1 11 pm, 11/3 Noon
Week 11: 11/8 11 pm, 11/10 Noon
Week 12: 11/15 11 pm, 11/17 Noon
Week 13: 11/22 11 pm, 11/24 Noon
FINAL: 12/20 11 pm, 12/22 Noon

The way I read it you've already missed Weeks 1 and 2, one more miss and you're out.

I'm trying to help you out here.

[AGSPoll]

You may be aware of the rules, but maybe you don't understand them (or I don't).

These are the AGS Poll voting weeks:


***2008 Poll Voting Dates and Times***
(vote within the date/time periods, all CST):

Preseason: 5/24 11 pm, 5/26 Noon
Week 1: 8/30 11 pm, 9/1 Noon
Week 2: 9/6 11 pm, 9/8 Noon
Week 3: 9/13 11 pm, 9/15 Noon
Week 4: 9/20 11 pm, 9/22 Noon
Week 5: 9/27 11 pm, 9/29 Noon
Week 6: 10/4 11 pm, 10/6 Noon
Week 7: 10/11 11 pm, 10/13 Noon
Week 8: 10/18 11 pm, 10/20 Noon
Week 9: 10/25 11 pm, 10/27 Noon
Week 10: 11/1 11 pm, 11/3 Noon
Week 11: 11/8 11 pm, 11/10 Noon
Week 12: 11/15 11 pm, 11/17 Noon
Week 13: 11/22 11 pm, 11/24 Noon
FINAL: 12/20 11 pm, 12/22 Noon

The way I read it you've already missed Weeks 1 and 2, one more miss and you're out.

I'm trying to help you out here.

The third miss during the regular season and the pollster is no longer eligible to participate for the remainder of the year.

[EmeryZach]

Most accurate poll in the country. We rule!!!

[G.S.Green]

Hampton won't get any respect until we win an OOC game on the road. Playing #12 SIU to the wire on their field and still not getting any discussion is pathetic.

[stevdock]

Hampton won't get any respect until we win an OOC game on the road. Playing #12 SIU to the wire on their field and still not getting any discussion is pathetic.

I was very impressed by your effort this last week. Although I wouldn't have put you in the Top 25 yet, but take care of business and you'll be in there really soon.

[blackfordpu]

Youngstown dropped out of my poll as well. No way they could stay in after a beating like that.

Like Clemson in week one.....

[DSUHornet]

Hampton won't get any respect until we win an OOC game on the road. Playing #12 SIU to the wire on their field and still not getting any discussion is pathetic.

maybe sg will show some love if you beat us after we beat kent state xthumbsupx

[uofmman1122]

Yargh...

I totally forgot. :(

Looks good, though, and I hope my overseas-ness won't keep me from voting. xlolx

[BisonBacker]

North Dakota received votes??

I don't doubt they'll be an alright team, despite being a first-year transitional team. But top-25??

after wins over TXA&M-Kingsville and St Cloud St?

Beating 2 DII teams doesn't warrant getting any votes but you have to realize they are homer votes. Regarding YSU I dropped them out of my top 25 and NAU is in. I will be the first to admit I am more impressed this year by the BSC then I have been in several. YSU was really a let down but who knows they may bounce back but they have a lot of work to do.

[Houndawg]

Hampton won't get any respect until we win an OOC game on the road. Playing #12 SIU to the wire on their field and still not getting any discussion is pathetic.

The game wasn't as close as you're letting on, but Hampton does deserve respect and certainly more love than YSU, that is for sure.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Beating 2 DII teams doesn't warrant getting any votes but you have to realize they are homer votes. Regarding YSU I dropped them out of my top 25 and NAU is in. I will be the first to admit I am more impressed this year by the BSC then I have been in several. YSU was really a let down but who knows they may bounce back but they have a lot of work to do.

Likewise.. the Sky will be really competitive this year... I can see 3 teams ending the year ranked.

[OL FU]

Youngstown dropped out of my poll as well. No way they could stay in after a beating like that.

Like Clemson in week one.....

Youngstown was never in my pollxthumbsupx

as he pats his own backxlolx

[appfan2008]

Youngstown was never in my pollxthumbsupx

as he pats his own backxlolx

nor should they ever have been...

[X-Factor]

My question is who could have picked Y-town to finished first in the Missouri Valley? With what they were returning it seemed like a long shot anyway.

[grizband]

You may be aware of the rules, but maybe you don't understand them (or I don't).

These are the AGS Poll voting weeks:


***2008 Poll Voting Dates and Times***
(vote within the date/time periods, all CST):

Preseason: 5/24 11 pm, 5/26 Noon
Week 1: 8/30 11 pm, 9/1 Noon
Week 2: 9/6 11 pm, 9/8 Noon
Week 3: 9/13 11 pm, 9/15 Noon
Week 4: 9/20 11 pm, 9/22 Noon
Week 5: 9/27 11 pm, 9/29 Noon
Week 6: 10/4 11 pm, 10/6 Noon
Week 7: 10/11 11 pm, 10/13 Noon
Week 8: 10/18 11 pm, 10/20 Noon
Week 9: 10/25 11 pm, 10/27 Noon
Week 10: 11/1 11 pm, 11/3 Noon
Week 11: 11/8 11 pm, 11/10 Noon
Week 12: 11/15 11 pm, 11/17 Noon
Week 13: 11/22 11 pm, 11/24 Noon
FINAL: 12/20 11 pm, 12/22 Noon

The way I read it you've already missed Weeks 1 and 2, one more miss and you're out.

I'm trying to help you out here.
I appreciate the help. The way I understand the rules, I have already missed the first two weeks, so my first poll will be after week 3 - thus, three games will have been played. I do not anticipate missing any polls from here out, so I should be within the rules - if I have misunderstood something, please help me out. :)

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

I just don't know what more you want Fordham to do. They return a great team that won the PL and tested Umass. And yes i'm using the whole good loss thing. Last year the only CAA teams that could of won a playoff game @ umass would of been Rich, Del, and JMU and they are all highly ranked again this year. Fordham doesn't schedule a cupcake non -scholy for their first game and they win 16-0. We all praise UNH for pounding the worst FBS team known to man but look away when a PL team beats a CAA? Just a little respect is all I'm asking for. I've got all the 6 CAA teams ranked too, trust me.

Quoting this post "in general" to talk about Fordham and polling.

I don't think anyone is looking away when Fordham beats a CAA team because I think the fact that the CAA team was URI is the reason why Fordham didn't get significant recognition. I mean it isn't the first time in recent history that Fordham has beaten URI in the Bronx. Unfortunately, URI has been in a tier (bottom) of their own within the A-10/CAA for a very significant time frame.

I think all objective members who participate in the poll don't put significant credence into one game. I know I never crucify a team because of one loss nor do I greatly elevate any team for an excellent win. I just think there is too much "AGS" aspect to one game. I usually wait for another game to reinforce the results of that "one game".

The problem with Fordham (and virtually all the Patriot teams) is that they don't play that next game to solidify the results of "the one" game. And I acknowledge that the Ivy League not having many quality OOC games is a definitive factor. I understand Fordham playing other all sports A-10 schools, but why do you play the two viewed as lesser football teams? I mean if you wanted to stay on a like-minded basis for scheduling, then Dayton and Richmond would meet your philosophy plus give you a better quality OOC game. We would know much more about Fordham if they played Richmond or UMass instead of Dayton, Columbia, Yale or Marist.

Thinks will shake out as the season progresses, but if URI proceeds to have a horrific season, then there probably won't be any positive bump for the Rhody win. If UMass somehow has a mediocre season then the bump for Holy Cross may not be as significant as today. Because their other OOC games are with four Ivies, there may not be much more of a bump from their OOC. Any bump from the Ivy will be from positive showings in Princeton-El Cid, Dartmouth-UNH, Penn-Villanova, Columbia-Towson and maybe Brown-URI and Brown-Stony Brook. And only Colgate has more than "the one" game to boost their national status and unfortunately I don't see much of a positive bump from their first two games of this ilk because they probably should be 0-2 against the Big South teams.

I don't know a whole lot about the Fordham-UMass playoff game from last year because I was out in Cedar Falls. The travel and being out there pretty much reduced detailed analysis of the other playoff games to be non-existent. But in all due respect to the folks in Amherst, I don't think the Minutemen were playing up to their potential at the end of the season. Yes, they beat my Wildcats, but they didn't look like a team peaking for the playoffs. I don't think I am being a CAA homer when I say I had higher expectations for their performance in Carbondale. Besides the Fordham-UMass game was last season which also reduces any bump from the game.

And you know what, even if Army ends up as the worst FBS team, they will still have played a schedule full of 85 scholarship teams as well as Navy and Air Force. That will still be a decent SOS factor for UNH. And as bad as Army may be within FBS, they are still an FBS team which after watching them Saturday I can say confidently would not be the last place team in the CAA. They will provide a significantly more positive impact to the UNH schedule than PFL, NEC and Big South schools will for Patriot League teams.

Someone mentioned maybe the demise of the Patriot just might be premature. Don't confuse my arguments with an opinion that the Patriot is definitely in demise. My argument is all about the scheduling by the Patriot and the Ivy making it increasingly difficult to gauge the actual strength of both leagues. I know as a pollster last year (another thread topic about why not this year) who took that responsibility seriously, I really had a problem quantifying the relative strength of the Patriot teams (and of course the Ivy and the Pioneer and........) because there just weren't enough OOC games for analysis. It would be the same this year. xpeacex

[LehighFan11]

Quoting this post "in general" to talk about Fordham and polling.

I don't think anyone is looking away when Fordham beats a CAA team because I think the fact that the CAA team was URI is the reason why Fordham didn't get significant recognition. I mean it isn't the first time in recent history that Fordham has beaten URI in the Bronx. Unfortunately, URI has been in a tier (bottom) of their own within the A-10/CAA for a very significant time frame.

I think all objective members who participate in the poll don't put significant credence into one game. I know I never crucify a team because of one loss nor do I greatly elevate any team for an excellent win. I just think there is too much "AGS" aspect to one game. I usually wait for another game to reinforce the results of that "one game".

The problem with Fordham (and virtually all the Patriot teams) is that they don't play that next game to solidify the results of "the one" game. And I acknowledge that the Ivy League not having many quality OOC games is a definitive factor. I understand Fordham playing other all sports A-10 schools, but why do you play the two viewed as lesser football teams? I mean if you wanted to stay on a like-minded basis for scheduling, then Dayton and Richmond would meet your philosophy plus give you a better quality OOC game. We would know much more about Fordham if they played Richmond or UMass instead of Dayton, Columbia, Yale or Marist.

Thinks will shake out as the season progresses, but if URI proceeds to have a horrific season, then there probably won't be any positive bump for the Rhody win. If UMass somehow has a mediocre season then the bump for Holy Cross may not be as significant as today. Because their other OOC games are with four Ivies, there may not be much more of a bump from their OOC. Any bump from the Ivy will be from positive showings in Princeton-El Cid, Dartmouth-UNH, Penn-Villanova, Columbia-Towson and maybe Brown-URI and Brown-Stony Brook. And only Colgate has more than "the one" game to boost their national status and unfortunately I don't see much of a positive bump from their first two games of this ilk because they probably should be 0-2 against the Big South teams.

I don't know a whole lot about the Fordham-UMass playoff game from last year because I was out in Cedar Falls. The travel and being out there pretty much reduced detailed analysis of the other playoff games to be non-existent. But in all due respect to the folks in Amherst, I don't think the Minutemen were playing up to their potential at the end of the season. Yes, they beat my Wildcats, but they didn't look like a team peaking for the playoffs. I don't think I am being a CAA homer when I say I had higher expectations for their performance in Carbondale. Besides the Fordham-UMass game was last season which also reduces any bump from the game.

And you know what, even if Army ends up as the worst FBS team, they will still have played a schedule full of 85 scholarship teams as well as Navy and Air Force. That will still be a decent SOS factor for UNH. And as bad as Army may be within FBS, they are still an FBS team which after watching them Saturday I can say confidently would not be the last place team in the CAA. They will provide a significantly more positive impact to the UNH schedule than PFL, NEC and Big South schools will for Patriot League teams.

Someone mentioned maybe the demise of the Patriot just might be premature. Don't confuse my arguments with an opinion that the Patriot is definitely in demise. My argument is all about the scheduling by the Patriot and the Ivy making it increasingly difficult to gauge the actual strength of both leagues. I know as a pollster last year (another thread topic about why not this year) who took that responsibility seriously, I really had a problem quantifying the relative strength of the Patriot teams (and of course the Ivy and the Pioneer and........) because there just weren't enough OOC games for analysis. It would be the same this year. xpeacex
I appreciate your response and I think you have alot of good points. Yea usually when a PL team plays a good OOC opponent (usually a CAA team), they don't follow it up the next week with another quality OOC opponent. The scheduling factor is a problem but won't be solved in the short run. I agree that it is very difficult to judge the PL vs. the rest of the nation because each team only has 1 or 2 national games a year. Over last year and into this year Lehigh, colgate, lafayette, and holy cross will be very inconsistent. Yea Holy Cross played a great game @ a top 10 team, but I suspect they will struggle at some point. The only team I'm really making a case for is Fordham. This is a very good team that struggled early last year (ie Dayton loss), but got very good towards the end of the year. They get a playoff appearance and are told to travel to Amherest, you really can't expect them to win that game. They return alot of their talent this year and win 16-0 vs. a bottom tier CAA team. Unfortunately, their only test out side of the PL is Yale. This is my first year voting and I am taking it very seriously. I don't get to watch many games outside of the PL and CAA, but that is what happens in these polls. You and I will vote for east coast teams and Montana/NDSU fans will vote for west coast teams, so in the end it all balances out. I have all 6 CAA teams in the polls and they are some real strong teams in that conference. The only PL team that deserves top 25 consideration is Fordham.

[appfan2008]

I appreciate the help. The way I understand the rules, I have already missed the first two weeks, so my first poll will be after week 3 - thus, three games will have been played. I do not anticipate missing any polls from here out, so I should be within the rules - if I have misunderstood something, please help me out. :)

sounds legit to me...

[OL FU]

I appreciate your response and I think you have alot of good points. Yea usually when a PL team plays a good OOC opponent (usually a CAA team), they don't follow it up the next week with another quality OOC opponent. The scheduling factor is a problem but won't be solved in the short run. I agree that it is very difficult to judge the PL vs. the rest of the nation because each team only has 1 or 2 national games a year. Over last year and into this year Lehigh, colgate, lafayette, and holy cross will be very inconsistent. Yea Holy Cross played a great game @ a top 10 team, but I suspect they will struggle at some point. The only team I'm really making a case for is Fordham. This is a very good team that struggled early last year (ie Dayton loss), but got very good towards the end of the year. They get a playoff appearance and are told to travel to Amherest, you really can't expect them to win that game. They return alot of their talent this year and win 16-0 vs. a bottom tier CAA team. Unfortunately, their only test out side of the PL is Yale. This is my first year voting and I am taking it very seriously. I don't get to watch many games outside of the PL and CAA, but that is what happens in these polls. You and I will vote for east coast teams and Montana/NDSU fans will vote for west coast teams, so in the end it all balances out. I have all 6 CAA teams in the polls and they are some real strong teams in that conference. The only PL team that deserves top 25 consideration is Fordham.


What they can't do is lose to Albany, Dayton and Bucknell like 2007xnodx No offense to Albany Dayton or Bucknell. Maybe one of them (as long as it isn't Bucknell) maybe two of them, but not three of them:o xeyebrowx Just the way it is.xnodx

[lizrdgizrd]

I appreciate your response and I think you have alot of good points. Yea usually when a PL team plays a good OOC opponent (usually a CAA team), they don't follow it up the next week with another quality OOC opponent. The scheduling factor is a problem but won't be solved in the short run. I agree that it is very difficult to judge the PL vs. the rest of the nation because each team only has 1 or 2 national games a year. Over last year and into this year Lehigh, colgate, lafayette, and holy cross will be very inconsistent. Yea Holy Cross played a great game @ a top 10 team, but I suspect they will struggle at some point. The only team I'm really making a case for is Fordham. This is a very good team that struggled early last year (ie Dayton loss), but got very good towards the end of the year. They get a playoff appearance and are told to travel to Amherest, you really can't expect them to win that game. They return alot of their talent this year and win 16-0 vs. a bottom tier CAA team. Unfortunately, their only test out side of the PL is Yale. This is my first year voting and I am taking it very seriously. I don't get to watch many games outside of the PL and CAA, but that is what happens in these polls. You and I will vote for east coast teams and Montana/NDSU fans will vote for west coast teams, so in the end it all balances out. I have all 6 CAA teams in the polls and they are some real strong teams in that conference. The only PL team that deserves top 25 consideration is Fordham.
And you can't really rely on the Ivy games because they only play PL or Ivy teams. There's no way to compare them outside the two conferences.

[ngineer]

There will be some ability to do some comparative measuring for Lehigh. After this week's trip to Villanova, and a week off, the Mountain Hawks will then have to travel to Princeton, who will have just played The Citadel in Charleston.

[letsgopards04]

I'm curious as to how close the "most significant win" vote was - I'd guess that UNH would get quite a few votes after an FBS win (although the road win for Montana over Poly was quite impressive)...

The problem with the UNH game is that Army would have lost to Montana and Cal Poly also. The Montana game had top 10 implications.