BREAKING NEWS: RED SOX TRADE RAMIREZ

[UNHWildCats]

details forthcoming.

[GeauxLions94]

details forthcoming.

Where? Marlins? Dodgers? Mets?

[BlueHen86]

If true, you've scooped ESPN.

Or is there another Ramirez in the Red Sox organization?

[UNHWildCats]

UPDATE 4:28 PM
Waiting for details but reports are that Manny has been traded to the Dodgers, this came moments after reports of a trade between Pittsburgh and the Dodgers for Jason Bay.

We maybe looking at a deal where the Dodgers sent Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier to the Pirates for Bay and then turned Bay to Boston for Ramirez, that's just speculation on my part but we should know details soon.

[FCS Preview]

CBS Sportsline reporting:


The Los Angeles Dodgers have acquired slugger Manny Ramirez from the Red Sox, sources tell CBSSports.com senior writer Scott Miller. Also part of the deal, the Red Sox will receive outfielder Jason Bay from Pittsburgh.After all the Yankees - Red Sox battles....Manny ends up with Joe Torre...?

[UNHWildCats]

It is indeeed Bay to Boston and Ramirez to the Dodgers, Pittsburgh will get four prospects.

[GeauxLions94]

UPDATE 4:28 PM
Waiting for details but reports are that Manny has been traded to the Dodgers, this came moments after reports of a trade between Pittsburgh and the Dodgers for Jason Bay.

We maybe looking at a deal where the Dodgers sent Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier to the Pirates for Bay and then turned Bay to Boston for Ramirez, that's just speculation on my part but we should know details soon.

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[UNHWildCats]

If true, you've scooped ESPN.

Or is there another Ramirez in the Red Sox organization?
ESPN is too slow :p their busy drooling over their FBS schedules

[GeauxLions94]

ESPN is too slow :p they're busy drooling over their FBS schedules

For 2010 xlolx

[BisonBacker]

If true, you've scooped ESPN.

Or is there another Ramirez in the Red Sox organization?


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[BlueHen86]

ESPN is too slow :p their busy drooling over their FBS schedules

They aren't just slow, they were wrong. On their home page they posted that Manny was staying put. I checked immediately after I read your post.xlolx

[UNHWildCats]

Boston sends Manny to LA, Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen to Pitt.

The Dodgers send Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris to Pitt.

With Boston giving up two top prospects along with Manny its unknown if they still included $7 million in cash.

[bluehenbillk]

So ends Boston's status as a contender this year......

[mcveyrl]

So the Dodgers have Andrum Jones, Manny Ramirez and Juan Pierre.

They are primed to win the 2003 World Series.

[BlueHen86]

So the Dodgers have Andrum Jones, Manny Ramirez and Juan Pierre.

They are primed to win the 2003 World Series.

xlolx

[UNHWildCats]

The Sox will reportedly pay every penny still owed Manny this year.... hmmm odd i think.

How do you figure this ends Boston's hope? Bay is just as good a hitter as Manny is this year.

[JoltinJoe]

So ends Boston's status as a contender this year......

That's what they said when the Sox traded Nomar in '04.

No matter what the short-term impact, Jason Bay is a nice long-term pick-up for the Sox.

[furman94]

Damn, how is Boston going to replace that hole in the lineup?

[UNHWildCats]

Jason Bay this year is .282/.375/.519 with 23 doubles, 22 homers, 72 runs, 64 RBI and a bb/k of 59/86. He also has 19 win shares.

Manny is .299/.398/.529 with 22 doubles, 20 homers, 66 runs, 68 RBI and a bb/k of 52/86 and 15 win shares.

Exactly how did Boston become a also ran or a team that cant replace Manny's bat?

[mcveyrl]

Bay is okay filling in for Manny at the plate.

Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7143)

Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132)

The issue, I think, will be the fielding. This is a tight race the Red Sox are involved in. I would be worried that Bay will misplay the monster, costing a game or two that might be crucial near the end of the year.

EDIT: Sorry, posted this after Travis.

EDIT 2: Consider also that Bay got his stats in a lineup that didn't really scare pitchers. Probably got pitched around more than Manny and saw more junk pitches.

[Cleets]

I don't think Boston brass is terribly concerned about this season...
It's tough to win every season with out throwing away your young talent by the bushel load...
It seems they are building instead of trading away... Jason Bay is young (29 yrs)

I think they are positioning themselves and trying to build a cohesive team fabric... instead of giving away all their home grown talent for some 35 year old stars

[bluehenbillk]

Let the spin begin, and I'm a Red Sox fan. Jason Bay the equal of sure-fire HOF'er Manny? Please.

Bay has hit 30 dingers just once ever. Trust me, they're real happy in the damn Bronx right about now.

[UNHWildCats]

Let the spin begin, and I'm a Red Sox fan. Jason Bay the equal of sure-fire HOF'er Manny? Please.

Bay has hit 30 dingers just once ever. Trust me, they're real happy in the damn Bronx right about now.
you cant compare a "prime" Manny to the current Bay. Right now at the stages of their careers they are equals. Bay might get a bit better but at worst hiolds the ground hes on for the next 5 years or so, Manny will only go down from here.

Additionally Bay has hit 30 HR twice and is on track again this year.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I'd take Bay over Manny any day.

Fewer problems... no more baby-mama-drama about how he "feels"

As a fantasy baseball owner of Jason Bay... THANK YOU!!! Now he'll have protection in the lineup

[Cleets]

Can you even imagine the Yankee's next off season...
CC Sabathia and Manny both free agents..!!!

xlolx

Hanks head might explode with excitement - both for only $40 million a season... hell that's only 5 million more than A-Rod is getting right now

[danefan]

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You should check out Travis's blog. I've notice in the past few days he's been scooping ESPN and other major outlets everytime with the Manny stuff.
xthumbsupx xbowx

[danefan]

Can you even imagine the Yankee's next off season...
CC Sabathia and Manny both free agents..!!!

xlolx

Hanks head might explode with excitement - both for only $40 million a season... hell that's only 5 million more than A-Rod is getting right now

Hey $40 million is nothing.
That will be the rent for about 4 luxury boxes in the new stadium. xrulesx xoopsx xsmhx

[JoltinJoe]

You should check out Travis's blog. I've notice in the past few days he's been scooping ESPN and other major outlets everytime with the Manny stuff.
xthumbsupx xbowx

More reason that Travis deserves to be Governor of the Red Sox Nation.

It's July 31. Have you voted for Travis yet?

I have noticed that too. Where's Travis getting his information? He's been spot on!

[Cleets]

Hey $40 million is nothing.
That will be the rent for about 4 luxury boxes in the new stadium. xrulesx xoopsx xsmhx

agreed... with the new stadium the Yankee's will have some real money to play with
none of this low ball $210 million crap... I fully expect them to be at 250M next year xlolx and they will win a lot of games

[JoltinJoe]

I don't think Boston brass is terribly concerned about this season...
It's tough to win every season with out throwing away your young talent by the bushel load...

That's curious, if true.

This Red Sox team has a legitimate chance to do something pretty special: hang up back-to-back WS titles.

That's why I'm surprised Manny dogged it. Wasn't that important to him? Win 2 in a row, enter the discussion of the all-time great teams.

Manny was getting paid $20 million this year to help get that job done. As far as I'm concerned, he breached his contract.

[UNHWildCats]

ok got the new manny-less banner up on the blog :)

[UNHWildCats]

I don't think Boston brass is terribly concerned about this season...
It's tough to win every season with out throwing away your young talent by the bushel load...
It seems they are building instead of trading away... Jason Bay is young (29 yrs)

I think they are positioning themselves and trying to build a cohesive team fabric... instead of giving away all their home grown talent for some 35 year old stars
I totally disagree with that. If Boston wasn't concerned with this season they would have just taken a player like Matt Kemp from the Dodgers and had control of the player longer, but going through multiple routes to obtain Jason Bay makes it clear Boston is in this to win.

The apparently were working the three team route even before Florida when they had Philly in the discussions, in every scenerio the third team was always Pittsburgh and the target was always Jason Bay.

[Cleets]

I totally disagree with that. If Boston wasn't concerned with this season they would have just taken a player like Matt Kemp from the Dodgers and had control of the player longer, but going through multiple routes to obtain Jason Bay makes it clear Boston is in this to win.

The apparently were working the three team route even before Florida when they had Philly in the discussions, in every scenerio the third team was always Pittsburgh and the target was always Jason Bay.

Well let me put it this way then:
I believe Theo and the boys at the top KNOW that Boston is not the best team in the AL...
I believe they also KNOW that making a bunch of trades for RENTAL players ultimately hurts them more - because Boston still wouldn't be the best team in the AL

Last year I believe they thought (however insanely) that Gagne trade locked them in as the best team in the AL...

~there is no one player out there who fixes the Red Sox mediocre Bullpen
~They need Two quality starters (where..?)

[UNHWildCats]

Well let me put it this way then:
I believe Theo and the boys at the top KNOW that Boston is not the best team in the AL...
I believe they also KNOW that making a bunch of trades for RENTAL players ultimately hurts them more - because Boston still wouldn't be the best team in the AL

Last year I believe they thought (however insanely) that Gagne trade locked them in as the best team in the AL...

~there is no one player out there who fixes the Red Sox mediocre Bullpen
~They need Two quality starters (where..?)

You think Florida was the best team in baseball in 2003? Do you remember June 27, 2003? I sure do, that alone is proof Florida wasn't the best team.

Boston may not have been the best team in 2004 or 2007, yet still won.

What matters is how your playing when it matters.

It's easy to dismiss Boston now after getting swept by the Angels twice in two weeks, but had those two series occured a month from now would the results have been the same with David Ortiz having been back from the DL for a significant amount of time?

[CollegeSportsInfo]

Interesting indeed. On paper:
Manny, Hansen and Moss for Jason Bay. Who woulda thunk it?

[Reed Rothchild]

Yes, Bay is a good hitter but Manny's impact on that lineup went far beyond the numbers. Redsox fan who is happy to be rid of Manny saying "he's not that good anyway" is being pretty myopic and ungreatful.

[Cleets]

Yes, Bay is a good hitter but Manny's impact on that lineup went far beyond the numbers. Redsox fan who is happy to be rid of Manny saying "he's not that good anyway" is being pretty myopic and ungreatful.

He's awesome - and it can't even be denied
But he's become too much of a circus side show - walking to first base, while th ball bounces off center field wall - pushing employees / faking bad knees - pulling himself from the line-up

He's gotten bigger than the team...

It's time... the Red Sox simply need to "move on" and
Manny can be the Star somewhere else

I don't have one ounce of anger towards him... I also understand the move completely xnodx

[TheValleyRaider]

I only wonder how quickly Bay will adjust to hitting in the AL

Yeah, he'll likely see a better selection of pitches with the lineup around him, but it's still a tougher league. Teixera and Nady have both started slowly, but are beginning to come around. How quickly will Bay?

Also, Manny for Bay straight up isn't a bad deal at all, but giving up Manny, Hansen and Moss for Bay does seem like a lot xtwocentsx

[bluehenbillk]

Actually if you look the BoSox schedule reaches its easiest stretch of the year coming up:

Oakland
@KC
@CWS
Tex
Tor
@Bal
@Tor

They're going to wanna play real good baseball in that stretch and in the 12 games left with TB/NY if they're gonna sniff the playoffs.

[mcveyrl]

Well let me put it this way then:
I believe Theo and the boys at the top KNOW that Boston is not the best team in the AL...
I believe they also KNOW that making a bunch of trades for RENTAL players ultimately hurts them more - because Boston still wouldn't be the best team in the AL

Last year I believe they thought (however insanely) that Gagne trade locked them in as the best team in the AL...

~there is no one player out there who fixes the Red Sox mediocre Bullpen
~They need Two quality starters (where..?)

This trade is an excellent example in the difference between the Red Sox and Dodgers overall philosophy.

The Red Sox (think Moneyball - I know it's a Cleets favorite, one of mine too) Traded Manny (and some change) for a comparable hitter who costs $14,000,000 less than Ramirez. I know they're paying for the rest of the year (they can afford it), but they don't have to deal with his headaches, don't have to deal with option drama or anything like that.

Plus, they've got Bay for another year. They can test him for a year in Boston and then re-sign him if they want. On that same note, who is the agent for each player? I don't know, but I'm sure that makes a difference too.

Now, look at the Dodgers. They currently have the following outfielders:

Manny Ramirez
Andruw Jones
Juan Pierre
Andre Either
Matt Kemp

I joked that they were primed to win the 2003 World Series, but they really could make a good run in slow-pitch softball (4 OFs) with an extra hitter. This is what Torre said:

"You wish you had the DH," Torre said. "We didn't plan in advance how to move things around."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3513383

Are you serious!?!?!? That's just trading a player to make the trade. How do you make that deal and not plan? This is EXTREMELY poor management in my opinion.

[UNHWildCats]

Actually if you look the BoSox schedule reaches its easiest stretch of the year coming up:

Oakland
@KC
@CWS
Tex
Tor
@Bal
@Tor

They're going to wanna play real good baseball in that stretch and in the 12 games left with TB/NY if they're gonna sniff the playoffs.
gio look at Tampas schedule, they play nearly all of September on the road where they aint been that good.