Preseason All-SoCon Teams

[smallcollegefbfan]

http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=1522848

2008 Southern Conference Preseason All-Conference Teams

Offensive Player of the Year: Armanti Edwards, Jr., QB, Appalachian State
Defensive Player of the Year: Pierre Banks, Sr., LB, Appalachian State

OFFENSE

First Team
QB Armanti, Edwards, Appalachian State
RB Bryan Fitzgerald, Chattanooga
RB Devon Moore, Appalachian State
OL Brad Coley, Appalachian State
OL Joel Bell, Furman
OL Derek Wooten, Wofford
OL Ben Quick, Wofford
OL (tie) Mario Acitelli, Appalachian State
OL (tie) Thomas Slaughter, Furman
TE Larry Hedden, Furman
WR Terrell Hudgins, Elon
WR CoCo Hillary, Appalachian State

Second Team
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB Mike Brown, Furman
RB Dane Romero, Wofford
OL William Giles, Chattanooga
OL Ben Miller, Wofford
OL Chris Werden, Elon
OL Kevin Wiggins, Western Carolina
OL Dan DeHaven, The Citadel
TE Fenn Allen, Wofford
WR Andre Roberts, The Citadel
WR (tie) Blue Cooper, Chattanooga
WR (tie) Bo Williamson, Elon

DEFENSE

First Team
DL Larry Beard, Georgia Southern
DL Tony Robertson, Appalachian State
DL Terrence Reese, The Citadel
DL Anthony Williams, Appalachian State
LB Corey Weaver, Elon
LB Pierre Banks, Appalachian State
LB Seth Goldwire, Wofford
DB Carson Hill, Georgia Southern
DB Thomas Twitty, Furman
DB Leonard Love, Appalachian State
DB Chris Covington, Georgia Southern

Second Team
DL Kevin McCaskill, The Citadel
DL Neil Brown, Chattanooga
DL Layton Baker, Wofford
DL Jeff Bradley, Western Carolina
LB Quintin Phillips, Western Carolina
LB Jacque Roman, Appalachian State
LB Joseph Thornton, Chattanooga
DB Raeshon Ball, Chattanooga
DB Cortez Gilbert, Appalachian State
DB Karlos Sullivan, Elon
DB (tie) William Middleton, Furman
DB (tie) Cameron McGlenn, Elon

SPECIALISTS

First Team
PK Jesse Hartley, Georgia Southern
P Brandon Lane, Elon
RS CoCo Hillary, Appalachian State

Second Team
PK Patrick Mugan, Wofford
P Mark Kaspar, The Citadel
RS Mike Brown, Furman

[smallcollegefbfan]

No DJ Smith? Some ASU people are going to be upset? Looks like the coaches have spoken on this one. While I think he will be on the postseason list I do think people have overhyped him and some others just because of one or two good playoff games.

Layton Baker is an interesting selection. He has been on the list before but injuries have hampered him. Anyone know if he is 100%?

[Appaholic]

http://www.soconsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4000&ATCLID=1522848

2008 Southern Conference Preseason All-Conference Teams

Offensive Player of the Year: Armanti Edwards, Jr., QB, Appalachian State
Defensive Player of the Year: Pierre Banks, Sr., LB, Appalachian State

OFFENSE

First Team
QB Armanti, Edwards, Appalachian State
RB Bryan Fitzgerald, Chattanooga
RB Devon Moore, Appalachian State
OL Brad Coley, Appalachian State
OL Joel Bell, Furman
OL Derek Wooten, Wofford
OL Ben Quick, Wofford
OL (tie) Mario Acitelli, Appalachian State
OL (tie) Thomas Slaughter, Furman
TE Larry Hedden, Furman
WR Terrell Hudgins, Elon
WR CoCo Hillary, Appalachian State

Second Team
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB Mike Brown, Furman
RB Dane Romero, Wofford
OL William Giles, Chattanooga
OL Ben Miller, Wofford
OL Chris Werden, Elon
OL Kevin Wiggins, Western Carolina
OL Dan DeHaven, The Citadel
TE Fenn Allen, Wofford
WR Andre Roberts, The Citadel
WR (tie) Blue Cooper, Chattanooga
WR (tie) Bo Williamson, Elon

DEFENSE

First Team
DL Larry Beard, Georgia Southern
DL Tony Robertson, Appalachian State
DL Terrence Reese, The Citadel
DL Anthony Williams, Appalachian State
LB Corey Weaver, Elon
LB Pierre Banks, Appalachian State
LB Seth Goldwire, Wofford
DB Carson Hill, Georgia Southern
DB Thomas Twitty, Furman
DB Leonard Love, Appalachian State
DB Chris Covington, Georgia Southern

Second Team
DL Kevin McCaskill, The Citadel
DL Neil Brown, Chattanooga
DL Layton Baker, Wofford
DL Jeff Bradley, Western Carolina
LB Quintin Phillips, Western Carolina
LB Jacque Roman, Appalachian State
LB Joseph Thornton, Chattanooga
DB Raeshon Ball, Chattanooga
DB Cortez Gilbert, Appalachian State
DB Karlos Sullivan, Elon
DB (tie) William Middleton, Furman
DB (tie) Cameron McGlenn, Elon

SPECIALISTS

First Team
PK Jesse Hartley, Georgia Southern
P Brandon Lane, Elon
RS CoCo Hillary, Appalachian State

Second Team
PK Patrick Mugan, Wofford
P Mark Kaspar, The Citadel
RS Mike Brown, Furman


xeekx xeekx

Citdog, again, in 5..................4......................3....... ........2............

[AppAlum]

Dang, 12 players from App

[smallcollegefbfan]

Very shocked to see CoCo Hillary over Andre Roberts. Thought Hillary would be 2nd team and Roberts named 1st team. That is the shocking 1st team snub on Roberts.

[Skjellyfetti]

DEFENSE

First Team
DL Larry Beard, Georgia Southern
DL Tony Robertson, Appalachian State
DL Terrence Reese, The Citadel
DL Anthony Williams, Appalachian State
LB Corey Weaver, Elon
LB Pierre Banks, Appalachian State
LB Seth Goldwire, Wofford
DB Carson Hill, Georgia Southern
DB Thomas Twitty, Furman
DB Leonard Love, Appalachian State
DB Chris Covington, Georgia Southern


2 first teamers on the DL after losing Tharrington and Washington? xeekx

[08Dawg]

If Citdog isn't around to do it, I will. I get really sick of the Terrell Hudgins love-fest when Roberts is just as good. Remember, we beat Elon last year! And Hillary? Are you kidding me? Roberts as an All-American comes in at second team? Bull...somebody needs to pull their head out of their a$$

[Skjellyfetti]

If Citdog isn't around to do it, I will. I get really sick of the Terrell Hudgins love-fest when Roberts is just as good. Remember, we beat Elon last year! And Hillary? Are you kidding me? Roberts as an All-American comes in at second team? Bull...somebody needs to pull their head out of their a$$

I agree. xthumbsupx

[smallcollegefbfan]

2 first teamers on the DL after losing Tharrington and Washington? xeekx

Funny thing is that I read JC transfer Malcolm Bennett was their best on the DL in spring ball and he isn't even on the list. I do agree with leaving him off at this point, though. He hasn't played yet and that is just hype to this point.

[smallcollegefbfan]

If Citdog isn't around to do it, I will. I get really sick of the Terrell Hudgins love-fest when Roberts is just as good. Remember, we beat Elon last year! And Hillary? Are you kidding me? Roberts as an All-American comes in at second team? Bull...somebody needs to pull their head out of their a$$

Totally agree with you. Roberts should be 1st team for sure. Hillary is fast, quick, and came up with big plays last year but did not have the numbers of Roberts and probably won't this year. Roberts is your go-to guy while Edwards has 3 or 4 receivers who could potentially earn all-socon. It is impossible to pick which one will put up the numbers for that honor this year.

[appfan2008]

coco is an great return man and the perfect backup qb and GOOD wr but no first team socon by any stretch...

also way way to many app players on there especially ones that still need to prove themselves... coley moore love acitelli(injury) etc...

[smallcollegefbfan]

coco is an great return man and the perfect backup qb and GOOD wr but no first team socon by any stretch...

also way way to many app players on there especially ones that still need to prove themselves... coley moore love acitelli(injury) etc...

Coley belongs. He was all-socon last year. Not many returning RBs this year. I think their guesses are as good as any. Maybe the Citadel RB could be included in the discussion for potential all-league?

Acitelli is a past all-socon member so i can see that.

Anyone feel a player was truly snubbed and should have at least made the 2nd team?

[appfan2008]

Coley belongs. He was all-socon last year. Not many returning RBs this year. I think their guesses are as good as any. Maybe the Citadel RB could be included in the discussion for potential all-league?

Acitelli is a past all-socon member so i can see that.

Anyone feel a player was truly snubbed and should have at least made the 2nd team?

i know you are going to hate this bc it has been brought up and then put down but honestly i believe dj smith belongs... he is special and he will undoubtedly be there at the end of the year

[smallcollegefbfan]

i know you are going to hate this bc it has been brought up and then put down but honestly i believe dj smith belongs... he is special and he will undoubtedly be there at the end of the year

Nobody on here said DJ Smith is not an all-conference caliber player. He belongs on the 2nd team and I am a little surprised he was not on there with Roman making it. He has the numbers and showed well in the playoffs.

The only problem anyone has had with the DJ conversations is that people have said he is better than Coakley when DJ has done nothing as of yet to back that statement up. He could one day earn that distinction and has 3 years to earn that.

[magman919]

Pierre Banks Preseason Defensive player of the year!!!!
It's about time he gets the recognition befitting his studly status.
Pierre has been gettin-r-done for 3 years now.xthumbsupx

[Millwoch]

Coley belongs. He was all-socon last year. Not many returning RBs this year. I think their guesses are as good as any. Maybe the Citadel RB could be included in the discussion for potential all-league?

Acitelli is a past all-socon member so i can see that.

Anyone feel a player was truly snubbed and should have at least made the 2nd team?

We only have one RB back this year that took snaps last? Ricky Anderson should be the man, but he had an ACL tear as a Freshman and has yet to play a down.

[appfan2008]

Nobody on here said DJ Smith is not an all-conference caliber player. He belongs on the 2nd team and I am a little surprised he was not on there with Roman making it. He has the numbers and showed well in the playoffs.

The only problem anyone has had with the DJ conversations is that people have said he is better than Coakley when DJ has done nothing as of yet to back that statement up. He could one day earn that distinction and has 3 years to earn that.

ok i see where you are coming from... i for one would never make such a statement so early (partially bc i was between about 9 and 11 years old when he played and had never heard of asu and partially bc i have seen the stats and recognition and those are just insane numbers) prove it to me on the field, get a socon defensive poy this year and now we are talking... sound good?

[Millwoch]

How many Samford players will make the post season all conference team? We will learn a lot about them this year.

[neersnbeers]

How many Samford players will make the post season all conference team? We will learn a lot about them this year.

Good question! It will be interesting to see the final team.

[smallcollegefbfan]

We only have one RB back this year that took snaps last? Ricky Anderson should be the man, but he had an ACL tear as a Freshman and has yet to play a down.

Meant that as a question. Was not sure if you guys had one. Losing Cooper will hurt it sounds like. Maybe Blanchard and Roberts will hook up 100 times or so and pick up the slack while they develop a back?

[smallcollegefbfan]

ok i see where you are coming from... i for one would never make such a statement so early (partially bc i was between about 9 and 11 years old when he played and had never heard of asu and partially bc i have seen the stats and recognition and those are just insane numbers) prove it to me on the field, get a socon defensive poy this year and now we are talking... sound good?

Get 2 SoCon DEF POY awards and a Buck Buchanan heading into your senior year and then we talk. Jxthumbsupx

[DLS]

dj smith definitely belongs on there, not over-hyped at all. look at his stats compared to how many games he started last season. he isnt just good, he's a phenomenon.

now roman may belong up there but i personally just dont like the guy. they should replace him for dj on second team.

[Millwoch]

Meant that as a question. Was not sure if you guys had one. Losing Cooper will hurt it sounds like. Maybe Blanchard and Roberts will hook up 100 times or so and pick up the slack while they develop a back?

Ahhh!!! We have little experience but more skill at running back this year. Look for 1-2 of our 3 true freshman RBs to get significant playing time, esp. if Anderson's knee is a problem. But I think Anderson is ready. He participated in the spring, but was held back from contact as a precaution.

[catamount man]

Wiggins has started every game for WCU the last 2 seasons at center and along with Bradley and Phillips manning the defensive side of the ball, he possesses the traits of a true senior leader. Glad to see him finally getting recognized. I expect more Catamounts on the post season team after we shock the conference this year.

GO CATAMOUNTS!!!

[ericsaid]

Hey look, for everyone saying App losing Richardson was huge. A first teamer RB from App, woooo.

[Eaglesrus]

Hey look, for everyone saying App losing Richardson was huge. A first teamer RB from App, woooo.

Keep in mind that this is a pre-season team, woooo.

[AppAlum2003]

Keep in mind that this is a pre-season team, woooo.

Agreed. Devon needs to prove it on the field. He's done a very good job as KR's backup. He's come up big in big situations (see JMU 4th down catch.) However, with the spotlight on him now, let's see how he does. I hope he's on the final All-SoCon list, too.

[blueballs]

I wonder when/if the last time there was an all-SoCon team that didn't have a GSU player on either the first or second team offense...


Please don't construe that statement to imply that I am arguing with the list, this is merely an observation.

[ericsaid]

Agreed. Devon needs to prove it on the field. He's done a very good job as KR's backup. He's come up big in big situations (see JMU 4th down catch.) However, with the spotlight on him now, let's see how he does. I hope he's on the final All-SoCon list, too.

I've seen enough proof that he is completely capable and deserving of being a first teamer.


IMOxthumbsupx

[Eaglesrus]

I've seen enough proof that he is completely capable and deserving of being a first teamer.


IMOxthumbsupx

Yeah, but what you haven't seen are a number of other backs that will be starting for other teams this year. I got no problem with him being first team in the pre-season, and he may well be post-season also; I'm just saying that is one position in particular where I think that we may see some new folks really make a splash this year.

[ericsaid]

Yeah, but what you haven't seen are a number of other backs that will be starting for other teams this year. I got no problem with him being first team in the pre-season, and he may well be post-season also; I'm just saying that is one position in particular where I think that we may see some new folks really make a splash this year.

How many transfer backs does GSU have coming in that will be playing?

I remember reading there was one from USF and somewhere else. If thats true they could end up being there at the end of the season.

[PaladinFan]

Nice to see Mike Brown get some recognition. I think he will be the suprise player in the conference this year.

That's a whale of an offensive line.

[gophoenix]

If Citdog isn't around to do it, I will. I get really sick of the Terrell Hudgins love-fest when Roberts is just as good. Remember, we beat Elon last year! And Hillary? Are you kidding me? Roberts as an All-American comes in at second team? Bull...somebody needs to pull their head out of their a$$

Want some cheese with that whine?

Roberts is good. Hudgins is good. And to question Hudgins is a exercising in hilarity. Maybe you should question the App love fest everyone has rather than question why the best receiver is there. Roberts should be first team.

BTW, beating a team has nothing to do with how could or not a player is. We beat GSU, but Foster was still the best offensive player in the country. Give me a break. Talk about an idiotic argument.

Get used to Hudgins. He's the best WR in the conference right now. You have two more seasons to hear about him.

[RazorEdge19]

Want some cheese with that whine?

Roberts is good. Hudgins is good. And to question Hudgins is a exercising in hilarity. Maybe you should question the App love fest everyone has rather than question why the best receiver is there. Roberts should be first team.

BTW, beating a team has nothing to do with how could or not a player is. We beat GSU, but Foster was still the best offensive player in the country. Give me a break. Talk about an idiotic argument.

Get used to Hudgins. He's the best WR in the conference right now. You have two more seasons to hear about him.

Andre Roberts is a far better wide receiver then Hudgins. He's just not in a pass-happy system.

[Eaglesrus]

How many transfer backs does GSU have coming in that will be playing?

I remember reading there was one from USF and somewhere else. If thats true they could end up being there at the end of the season.

The one you refer to, Ricky Ponton, is the only transfer running back we have. We also have Zeke Rozier, who as a true freshman last year was SoCon newcomer of the week for our second game, at Coastal Carolina. He also had a season ending injury in that game, but he therefore has four years of eligibility left and word about his recovery is that it's been VERY successful. I was not referring to just our guys earlier, however. I think there may be others, at THE Citadel for example, that may step up, also.

[ElonPride]

If Citdog isn't around to do it, I will. I get really sick of the Terrell Hudgins love-fest when Roberts is just as good. Remember, we beat Elon last year! And Hillary? Are you kidding me? Roberts as an All-American comes in at second team? Bull...somebody needs to pull their head out of their a$$

Yes you beat Elon, but Hudgins lit you up for 191 yards and 3 TDs!!!! He outperformed Roberts in that game.

Roberts SHOULD on the first team though.....

[gophoenix]

Andre Roberts is a far better wide receiver then Hudgins. He's just not in a pass-happy system.

Oh give it a rest.

Hudgins is in a pass happy system, but less than 1/4 of the passes are directed at him.

I've seen Roberts play. He's not a better receiver. And I think Furman fans can vouch for that.

They are virtually even in numbers, except that Hudgins has more yards and has less drops according to the stats

[citdog]

Oh give it a rest.

Hudgins is in a pass happy system, but less than 1/4 of the passes are directed at him.

I've seen Roberts play. He's not a better receiver. And I think Furman fans can vouch for that.

They are virtually even in numbers, except that Hudgins has more yards and has less drops according to the stats

HE BEAT YOUR TEAM TWO YEARS IN A ROW.....ONCE WHILE YOU WERE PLAYING FOR THE OUTRIGHT SOCON TITLE......ROBERTS OWNS HUDGINS AND THE CITADEL OWNS ELON.

[ElonPride]

ROBERTS OWNS HUDGINS AND THE CITADEL OWNS ELON.

??????
Hudgins: Receptions per game: 10.64 ---- Roberts: 7.09
Hudgins: 18 TDs ---- Roberts: 10 Tds
Hudgins: 134 yards per game ---- Roberts:96
Hudgins: Payton Candidate, 1st team All American
Hudgins: 191 yards and 3 TDs v. Citadel ----Roberts 181 1TD
Hudgins: 1474 Receving yards --- Roberts: 1060

Roberts owns Hudgins???? Phhhh.....

There were 2 receivers on Elon's team ahead of Roberts in most categories, and another not too far behind Roberts.

Roberts is good, but in comparison, Hudgins really is better. All the passes DON'T go Hudgins way....

[RazorEdge19]

Oh give it a rest.

Hudgins is in a pass happy system, but less than 1/4 of the passes are directed at him.

I've seen Roberts play. He's not a better receiver. And I think Furman fans can vouch for that.

They are virtually even in numbers, except that Hudgins has more yards and has less drops according to the stats

This is from a third party who has seen both players play...

Roberts is more technically sound, runs better routes, and is used in a much more diverse fashion then Hudgins is. Hudgins is used outside in hopes he gets a 1v1 match-up or the safety is late getting over.

That's the long and short of it.

[gophoenix]

This is from a third party who has seen both players play...

Roberts is more technically sound, runs better routes, and is used in a much more diverse fashion then Hudgins is. Hudgins is used outside in hopes he gets a 1v1 match-up or the safety is late getting over.

That's the long and short of it.

xlolx

Ok, you guys are making me laugh now. I guess all the anti-Elon crap means we've officially arrived.

Roberts may run better routes, he hasn't from the two games I've seen him in. He's been put on bad one on one opportunities where a mismatch leaves him wide open and maximizes on the speed from there. Hudgins is put in double and triple team areas and makes plays happen. Hudgins is the better player.

Both are good players. And the fact that GSU fans are focusing all the negativity on us makes me laugh really hard.

xlolx

[citdog]

??????
Hudgins: Receptions per game: 10.64 ---- Roberts: 7.09
Hudgins: 18 TDs ---- Roberts: 10 Tds
Hudgins: 134 yards per game ---- Roberts:96
Hudgins: Payton Candidate, 1st team All American
Hudgins: 191 yards and 3 TDs v. Citadel ----Roberts 181 1TD
Hudgins: 1474 Receving yards --- Roberts: 1060

Roberts owns Hudgins???? Phhhh.....

There were 2 receivers on Elon's team ahead of Roberts in most categories, and another not too far behind Roberts.

Roberts is good, but in comparison, Hudgins really is better. All the passes DON'T go Hudgins way....

WHEN YOU THROW IT 50 TIMES......

POST THE COMBINED SCORE OF THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.

[gophoenix]

WHEN YOU THROW IT 50 TIMES......[quote]

LOL. Riddle is throwing, not Hudgins. I'm finding it funny that you are questioning this when Blanchard completed slightly less (22 vs 30) than Riddle and averaged more per completion. So, what argument are you trying to make exactly?

[quote]POST THE COMBINED SCORE OF THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.

Funny, last time I saw, score was a team effort, not individuals. Your fan started the individual comparison, not the team comparison. Don't change the measurement in the middle of the discussion.

Hudgins owns Roberts
The Citadel owns Elon

That's the truth of it.

Chin up and carry on knob.

[ericsaid]

It doesnt matter how many times the ball is thrown. Hudgins produced more which makes him the more valid decision.

[citdog]

[QUOTE=citdog;1031194]WHEN YOU THROW IT 50 TIMES......[quote]



Chin up and carry on knob.

I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE FOR THAT. YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO UTTER THAT WORD.


UNTIL SAMFORD ACTUALLY PLAYS A GAME YOU ARE STILL THE SOCON KNOBS...SO...........



BRACE YOU ****ING ABORTION

[gophoenix]

I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE FOR THAT. YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO UTTER THAT WORD.

Sure I have. I'm not part of the frat. I can say whatever I want.

xlolx

[ericsaid]

smishmortion

[ElonPride]

smishmortion

HAHAH!xlolx

[citdog]

Sure I have. I'm not part of the frat. I can say whatever I want.

xlolx


YOU'RE RIGHT YOU'RE NOT....

YOU'RE A FIRST CLASS PIRCK

[ericsaid]

YOU'RE RIGHT YOU'RE NOT....

YOU'RE A FIRST CLASS PIRCK

Wouldn't being in a fraternity make him a prick?xeyebrowx

[RazorEdge19]

xlolx

Ok, you guys are making me laugh now. I guess all the anti-Elon crap means we've officially arrived.

Roberts may run better routes, he hasn't from the two games I've seen him in. He's been put on bad one on one opportunities where a mismatch leaves him wide open and maximizes on the speed from there. Hudgins is put in double and triple team areas and makes plays happen. Hudgins is the better player.

Both are good players. And the fact that GSU fans are focusing all the negativity on us makes me laugh really hard.

xlolx

Anti-Elon? xlolx xlolx

I'm a Wofford person talking about a Citadel and Elon wide receiver. I have no love for either team, no offense, but I do have a respect for what they do. Elon slings the ball 50-60 times a day. Hudigns gets the ball any way Elon can try. Jail-break screens & long shots etc. He gets the ball thrown his way many more times then you think.

Citadel runs a balanced system. They throw the ball 20-25 times a game. However, Roberts still competes with Hudgins despite being 1 of two very good receivers at Citadel. Coupled with that, Roberts runs a lot of 'underneath' routes, rather then simply outside deep routes. You can only do so much by running into the teeth of a defense. You have fewer opportunities to really break open long runs after catch, etc.

Believe me when I say, in this case, Hudgins is not as good as so many people at Elon think he is. You may not believe me and I really could care less, but he is.

Sorry.

[phoenix3]

Andre Roberts is a far better wide receiver then Hudgins. He's just not in a pass-happy system.

Whatever makes you feel better...

[Jerbearasu]

Hey look, for everyone saying App losing Richardson was huge. A first teamer RB from App, woooo.

Trey Elder was pre-season 1st team selection in 06... These polls mean nothing. I still don't see Moore as the guy. I may be wrong but I've been saying all year that I would rather see Robert Welton or Rod Chisholm out there over Moore...

[gophoenix]

Anti-Elon? xlolx xlolx

I'm a Wofford person talking about a Citadel and Elon wide receiver. I have no love for either team, no offense, but I do have a respect for what they do. Elon slings the ball 50-60 times a day. Hudigns gets the ball any way Elon can try. Jail-break screens & long shots etc. He gets the ball thrown his way many more times then you think.

Citadel runs a balanced system. They throw the ball 20-25 times a game. However, Roberts still competes with Hudgins despite being 1 of two very good receivers at Citadel. Coupled with that, Roberts runs a lot of 'underneath' routes, rather then simply outside deep routes. You can only do so much by running into the teeth of a defense. You have fewer opportunities to really break open long runs after catch, etc.

Believe me when I say, in this case, Hudgins is not as good as so many people at Elon think he is. You may not believe me and I really could care less, but he is.

Sorry.

You're entitled to your opinion. Too bad you're about the only one that holds it. Hard to argue against the coaches and media who see these kids much more than you.

And if that's all you think Elon does in getting the ball to Hudgins, then you have blinders on. Especially since half his performance were center field into coverage and he made the plays while covered by multiple people (he played slot as much as outside). I'm guessing you're basing you expert opinion on what you saw of each over the course of maybe 4 games total out of 22 games for each of them. Considering I've seen 20 games Hudgins has played in, I'm willing to bet my assessment of what he does it more accurate. xrolleyesx

Also considering that 3 Elon receivers were top 10 in the SoCon should prove to you that Hudgins isn't all there is; Williamson and Mayers had equal numbers of breakout games as Hudgins did this year.

As for slinging the ball 50-60 times. That's a bit misleading since apparently people like you don't keep up with recaps. Half of Riddle's "passes" against Wofford and Western alone were shovel passes to someone in motion. Not exactly "slinging" the ball downfield. xrolleyesx

[RazorEdge19]

You're entitled to your opinion. Too bad you're about the only one that holds it. Hard to argue against the coaches and media who see these kids much more than you.

And if that's all you think Elon does in getting the ball to Hudgins, then you have blinders on. Especially since half his performance were center field into coverage and he made the plays while covered by multiple people (he played slot as much as outside). I'm guessing you're basing you expert opinion on what you saw of each over the course of maybe 4 games total out of 22 games for each of them. Considering I've seen 20 games Hudgins has played in, I'm willing to bet my assessment of what he does it more accurate. xrolleyesx

Also considering that 3 Elon receivers were top 10 in the SoCon should prove to you that Hudgins isn't all there is; Williamson and Mayers had equal numbers of breakout games as Hudgins did this year.

As for slinging the ball 50-60 times. That's a bit misleading since apparently people like you don't keep up with recaps. Half of Riddle's "passes" against Wofford and Western alone were shovel passes to someone in motion. Not exactly "slinging" the ball downfield. xrolleyesx

Seeing 20 games he's played in is rather impressive, I must say.

But, as is frequently the case, I'll wait until the post-season All-SoCon awards come out before I give the list of names any credit.

[Eaglesrus]

xlolx

Ok, you guys are making me laugh now. I guess all the anti-Elon crap means we've officially arrived.

Roberts may run better routes, he hasn't from the two games I've seen him in. He's been put on bad one on one opportunities where a mismatch leaves him wide open and maximizes on the speed from there. Hudgins is put in double and triple team areas and makes plays happen. Hudgins is the better player.

Both are good players. And the fact that GSU fans are focusing all the negativity on us makes me laugh really hard.

xlolx

Well, there's one out of left field! Only two of us have posted in this thread and neither of us said anything about Elon; so what do you base that on?

[gophoenix]

Well, there's one out of left field! Only two of us have posted in this thread and neither of us said anything about Elon; so what do you base that on?

Yes, so I was wrong. :D

[Eaglesrus]

Yes, so I was wrong. :D

Okay, I'll let it go.......this time xrotatehx

[PaladinFan]

Elon will have a lot to live up to this season. They aren't sneaking up on anyone.

Hudgins, however, is just about the best I've seen at his position. I was at the game where Hofstra brought Marques Colston (a year before he torched NFL dbs with the Saints) and he wasn't as impressive as Hudgins was.

Yes, Elon plays in a pass happy system. However, that means their receivers and QB don't get to take plays off. When I watched Elon play (small sample size) their running game was atrocious. The Citadel has more offensive weapons and that takes the pressure off some of their individual playmakers.

[Appaholic]

[QUOTE=gophoenix;1031198][QUOTE=citdog;1031194]WHEN YOU THROW IT 50 TIMES......

I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE FOR THAT. YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO UTTER THAT WORD.


UNTIL SAMFORD ACTUALLY PLAYS A GAME YOU ARE STILL THE SOCON KNOBS...SO...........



BRACE YOU ****ING ABORTION

RACK YOUR FOKKING CHIN IN KNOB! HUDGINS IS TWICE THE RECEIVER OF ROBERTS........WHICH WOULD MAKE HIM 1/4 AS GOOD AS HILLARY.....

[ericsaid]

Trey Elder was pre-season 1st team selection in 06... These polls mean nothing. I still don't see Moore as the guy. I may be wrong but I've been saying all year that I would rather see Robert Welton or Rod Chisholm out there over Moore...

Even with his 46 yard run against UD. 100 yards rushing his first game starting? 7 TD's I believe oin the season starting only one game. 4th down catch against JMU. He's one of the best reciever RB's i've seen speaking of that. He'll start and Robert Welton aand Josh Jackson(IMO) will split two back sets with Devon. I personally am excited to see Devin Radford play at App. Dexter Jackson speed at Runningback. Rod being redshirted would make since.

[Reign of Terrier]

1)app state 12 players
2) wofford 8 players
3) elon 8 players
4)F u 7 players
5)chatt 6 players
6) cit 5 players
7) gsu 4 players
8)western 3 players
9) stam 0 players

GSU has less preseason all socon than chattanooga!xeekx