Current D-I schools that had Football...

[mizzoufan1]

Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)

[TexasTerror]

Lamar (1990) -- I believe football crapped out on them in 1989.

Regardless, they are adding football back. Will hit the field in 2010. SLC in 2011.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

wow... west coast football has really taken a beating

think of how cool it would be to have a powerhouse west coast conference in FCS?

Poly
UCD
UCSB
Fullerton
Northridge
Pacific
St. Mary's
Long Beach
Riverside
San Francisco

with the talent-rich CA football pool... these teams would be very, very good

[I-AA Fan]

I have an entire list if you are interested, there is probably several hundred, so I doubt it could list it here.

[813Jag]

Was Morris Brown offically D-I when they lost their programs? xconfusedx

[ktuck911]

Surprised Xavier (OH) didn't make it in football with the state of OH being so rich in football tradition.


Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)

[DFW HOYA]

While we're on the subject, a look back at the largest school in the nation not playing in Division I, New York University.

NYU used to play football games at Yankee Stadium and routinely filled the place, once playing Ohio State before 72,000. The annual game with Georgetown was 50,000+ for a number of years.

But the annual game with Fordham was the "big" game for NYC college football supremacy--while NYU played at Yankee Stadium, Fordham played across the river at the Polo Grounds. The attendance figures below (from an NYU web site) show how the numbers really took off in the 1920's and tailed off after WWII.

NYU dropped football in 1952, was one of the three original club football schools in 1964 (along with Georgetown and Fordham), dropped it again in 1966, and dropped all sports in 1971. It plays a limited number of sports in D-III now, but no football. Enrollment at NYU is approx. 41,000.

NYU vs. Fordham
1923: 10,000
1924: 15,000
1925: 15,000
1926: 35,000
1927: 45,000
1928: 50,000
1929: 60,000
1930: 78,500
1931: 75,000
1932: 40,000
1933: 30,000
1934: 75,000
1935: 75,000
1936: 50,000
1937: 65,000
1938: 50,000
1939: 57,000
1940: 35,000
1941: 31,000
-----
1946: 28,000
1947: 27,000
1948: 26,000
1950: 11,500
1951: 12,500
1952: 10,000

[Shockerman]

Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987) <---------------xbangx xbangx xbangx
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is. Does anyone know why they dropped Football?

[DFW HOYA]

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is. Does anyone know why they dropped Football?

I think it was financial. Anyway, here's the UVM club football site:

http://www.uvmfootball.com/

[DetroitFlyer]

Does anyone have enough information to determine how many of these schools now have club football? I did not know Vermont had a club team for example. As for Xavier, they have a fairly new club team, ( 1 or 2 seasons). They play in the same league as Marquette. Last year, Xavier won the league. In 2009, Xavier will play at Division II Lincoln University in Missouri! It will be Lincoln's homecoming game. It is pretty impressive for a club team to land a game against an NCAA, Division II, scholarship team IMHO! I'm hoping that Xavier plays well and that they keep building momentum for a return to NCAA football. Xavier would be a perfect PFL team, and of course they would immediately become Dayton's #1 rival in the PFL if it ever comes to pass....

Back to club football, it is virtually impossible to find a complete list. Sounds like a good project, ( or a nice website ), for someone so inclined.... I know that one of the teams in Xavier's league is Miami,OH. Of course they have an FBS team as well. How many FBS schools also have club teams...? Hint, hint....

[mizzoufan1]

Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)

Here are some more additions to the list via wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_college_football_teams) (which as everyone knows is not FULLY trustworthy)...
American (1968)
College of Charleston (1923)
DePaul (1938)
University of Detroit-Mercy (1964)
Fairliegh Dickinson (1977)
Long Island University (1940)
Loyola MD (1933)
Loyola Chicago (1930)
Maryland-Eastern Shore (1979)
North Carolina-Asheville (1954)
Providence (1941)
St. Francis NY (1935)
Texas-Pan American (1940's)
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (1966)

[mizzoufan1]

I have an entire list if you are interested, there is probably several hundred, so I doubt it could list it here.

I wanted to cover schools CURRENTLY in Division I.

It is an interesting footnote of what schools discontinued football when they did (I notice a TON of WWII and 50's discontinuations)

[mizzoufan1]

Does anyone have enough information to determine how many of these schools now have club football? I did not know Vermont had a club team for example. As for Xavier, they have a fairly new club team, ( 1 or 2 seasons). They play in the same league as Marquette. Last year, Xavier won the league. In 2009, Xavier will play at Division II Lincoln University in Missouri! It will be Lincoln's homecoming game. It is pretty impressive for a club team to land a game against an NCAA, Division II, scholarship team IMHO! I'm hoping that Xavier plays well and that they keep building momentum for a return to NCAA football. Xavier would be a perfect PFL team, and of course they would immediately become Dayton's #1 rival in the PFL if it ever comes to pass....

Back to club football, it is virtually impossible to find a complete list. Sounds like a good project, ( or a nice website ), for someone so inclined.... I know that one of the teams in Xavier's league is Miami,OH. Of course they have an FBS team as well. How many FBS schools also have club teams...? Hint, hint....

That is a history research project...Sounds like a good Master's Thesis for a History Major or even an Athletic Media Relations person...

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is. Does anyone know why they dropped Football?


I think it was financial. Anyway, here's the UVM club football site:

http://www.uvmfootball.com/

Googled the subject of UVM eliminating football and didn't come up with too much. A couple of articles about starting up the club program mentioned the elimination of football in 1974. High expenses, poor results and a re-emphasis on academics were cited as reasons. Maybe a couple of the Vermont based UNH posters can add some info.

When I was at UNH we alternated Homecoming with Maine and Vermont each year. During these days, both schools were members of the all sports Yankee Conference (UConn, URI, UMass, UNH, Maine and UVM). Competing against the Southern New England schools was a challenge to say the least. And when it came to football, UVM didn't have a wealth of in-state talent nor numbers for a foundation due to its small population. UVM has traditionally also had a high out of state tuition that no doubt didn't help the cause.

But in many ways you could say the same thing about UNH. Thankfully, we endured. But if we had to do a start up today like UVM would have to, I don't thing there's a snowball's chance in Hades it would happen.

FWIW, the University of Vermont is called UVM for Universitas Viridis Montis, Latin for "University of the Green Mountains". Their nickname is the Catamounts just like another mountain school -- Western Carolina.

[Hood]

Sad sad sad to say but my decision on which university to attend came down to two schools in 1999 and football became the deciding factor. I was torn between SELA and Nicholls State (after scratching NWST off my list) and Nicholls won out since the Lions at the time were not a football school (I was looking for a school with football in part to being a musician and wanting to be in marching band). I'm not sure how my decision would have gone had all other things remained equal though. Going to Hammond would have required me to live with my grandparents rather than a dorm.

The point of the above drivel - I wonder if these schools have trouble recruiting students on an academic basis due to a lack of football. I know schools like Gonzaga have an extremely rabid basketball tradition so for them its probably a non issue. I guess its not too big of a loss, right? I mean they lose, what 100-300 students on average for an NCAA Division I marching band?

Just thoughts.

[greenG]

You can add the University of Detroit. They dropped football sometime in the 60s. There is a lot of talk from their fans about non-scholarship football, think Pioneer League, coming to the university soon.

[slostang]

9 of 47 teams were from California. Ouch.

[ngineer]

The University of Detroit (now University of Detrot Mercy) was a great football power in the first several decades of the 20th century. Had great rivalries with Notre Dame (Rockne) and Chicago (Stagg). Dropped football in 1964, as many urban schools found the going rough both financially and ability to recruit. Word is that UDM may be considering a return in some form, either D-III or FCS, with their new 'all-sports' stadium they have unveiled. Would be nice to see such a return to an old historical power. Would be a nice addition to the PFL considering geoography.

PS..yours truly went to grad school at, then U of D, in the mid-1970's and was the first womens' flag football coach. We played several of the universities in southeastern MI and had a lot of fun. If I learned anything it was that if you want a brutal infantry, use women..There is not honor in their fight. I never saw such dirty and aggressive hitting, clawing, biting, etc. in my life!xeekx

[dbackjon]

Detroit would either have to go non-schollie, or drop their entire athletic program to D-III, which I doubt they would do.

[Go Poly]

Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)


Add:
Chico State
Cal State Hayward
San Francisco State
Sonoma State

[Ronbo]

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is. Does anyone know why they dropped Football?

It interfered with maple collection season.xlolx

[jcf5445]

Add:
Chico State
Cal State Hayward
San Francisco State
Sonoma State

Those schools are not DI.

[laxVik]

Loyola Marymount back in the 50's was Loyola and they had some pretty dang good teams. I've been told this of course. Not first hand info.

[I-AA Fan]

While we're on the subject, a look back at the largest school in the nation not playing in Division I, New York University.

NYU used to play football games at Yankee Stadium and routinely filled the place, once playing Ohio State before 72,000. The annual game with Georgetown was 50,000+ for a number of years.

But the annual game with Fordham was the "big" game for NYC college football supremacy--while NYU played at Yankee Stadium, Fordham played across the river at the Polo Grounds. The attendance figures below (from an NYU web site) show how the numbers really took off in the 1920's and tailed off after WWII.

NYU dropped football in 1952, was one of the three original club football schools in 1964 (along with Georgetown and Fordham), dropped it again in 1966, and dropped all sports in 1971. It plays a limited number of sports in D-III now, but no football. Enrollment at NYU is approx. 41,000.

NYU vs. Fordham
1923: 10,000
1924: 15,000
1925: 15,000
1926: 35,000
1927: 45,000
1928: 50,000
1929: 60,000
1930: 78,500
1931: 75,000
1932: 40,000
1933: 30,000
1934: 75,000
1935: 75,000
1936: 50,000
1937: 65,000
1938: 50,000
1939: 57,000
1940: 35,000
1941: 31,000
-----
1946: 28,000
1947: 27,000
1948: 26,000
1950: 11,500
1951: 12,500
1952: 10,000

This issue with NYU is that it is nothing but a huge commuter school. They had to go private & then they took in all of the faith & liberal based initiatives & call it a school. They only have about 12k total students in certified degree programs ...most of those are not certified outside of New York. Over half of their students are in professional or non-credit programs. In order to receive all of these private funds they cannot have real athletics.

On another note, my uncle actually was on football scholarship and played at Marquette in the 50's. The issue with so many of the Parochial schools is resources. No money, and most of it goes to Notre Dame.

[813Jag]

University of New Orleans played club football, and there was a brief push to have a football team in 2000. But after Katrina football was an afterthought, although football seems like it's been an afterthought at Tulane for a long time. xlolx

[DetroitFlyer]

The University of Detroit (now University of Detrot Mercy) was a great football power in the first several decades of the 20th century. Had great rivalries with Notre Dame (Rockne) and Chicago (Stagg). Dropped football in 1964, as many urban schools found the going rough both financially and ability to recruit. Word is that UDM may be considering a return in some form, either D-III or FCS, with their new 'all-sports' stadium they have unveiled. Would be nice to see such a return to an old historical power. Would be a nice addition to the PFL considering geoography.

PS..yours truly went to grad school at, then U of D, in the mid-1970's and was the first womens' flag football coach. We played several of the universities in southeastern MI and had a lot of fun. If I learned anything it was that if you want a brutal infantry, use women..There is not honor in their fight. I never saw such dirty and aggressive hitting, clawing, biting, etc. in my life!xeekx

UDM has been in discussions with the PFL. If they bring back football, I would be very surprised if they did not find their way into the PFL somehow.... Their new stadium looks just like a football field, minus the goal posts.... I would love to see the Flyers play up here in Detroit!

[DFW HOYA]

This issue with NYU is that it is nothing but a huge commuter school. They had to go private & then they took in all of the faith & liberal based initiatives & call it a school. They only have about 12k total students in certified degree programs ...most of those are not certified outside of New York. Over half of their students are in professional or non-credit programs. In order to receive all of these private funds they cannot have real athletics.

Your post is confusing on many levels.

1. NYU undergraduate is not a commuter school per se--they have residence halls for 12,000 students, the most of any private school. (Like most schools, msot graduate students tend to live off campus.)

2. NYU has always been a private school. You may be confusing it with CUNY.

3. All but 12,000 of the enrollment is in certified degree programs, not the other way around. (see http://www.nyu.edu/about/facts.html)

4. NYU has money. What NYU does not have is land--the campus once used for playing football was sold off in the early 1970's.

[mizzoufan1]

wow... west coast football has really taken a beating

think of how cool it would be to have a powerhouse west coast conference in FCS?

Poly
UCD
UCSB
Fullerton
Northridge
Pacific
St. Mary's
Long Beach
Riverside
San Francisco

with the talent-rich CA football pool... these teams would be very, very good

I wonder what is preventing these schools from starting their programs back up? Is it the land not available to build football stadiums? Or is it due to the fact that Cal-Berkeley and UCLA don't want too heavy of competition for football athletes (applies to Davis, Riverside, and Santa Barbara)? The Cal State system has football at San Diego, San Jose, and Fresno. The three privates probably have Major financial issues (Pacific, St. Mary's, San Francisco)

Any West Coast football fans have an answer to these thoughts/questions?

[mizzoufan1]

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is. Does anyone know why they dropped Football?

I don't understand why Wichita State doesn't have the moxie to put a football program back together. It's not like WSU doesn't have the financial backing of Cessna...I don't understand why they stopped playing in the first place...

[DSUrocks07]

Here are some more additions to the list via wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_college_football_teams) (which as everyone knows is THE END ALL AND BE ALL OF INTERNET FACTS, and is fully lulzworthy)...
American (1968)
College of Charleston (1923)
DePaul (1938)
University of Detroit-Mercy (1964)
Fairliegh Dickinson (1977)
Long Island University (1940)
Loyola MD (1933)
Loyola Chicago (1930)
Maryland-Eastern Shore (1979)
North Carolina-Asheville (1954)
Providence (1941)
St. Francis NY (1935)
Texas-Pan American (1940's)
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi (1966)

fixed...Anon made me do it xlolx xlolx xlolx

I now return possession of this thread back over to 'mizzoufan1'

[DSUrocks07]

I don't understand why Wichita State doesn't have the moxie to put a football program back together. It's not like WSU doesn't have the financial backing of Cessna...I don't understand why they stopped playing in the first place...

Fan support probably, usually schools will shut down their programs due to lack of revenue/fan support, but I agree that some of the schools on this list could easily restart football and a couple could become insta-rivals. Could you imagine if NYU had D-1 football and played the likes of Stony Brook and Albany? xnodx

[mizzoufan1]

fixed...Anon made me do it xlolx xlolx xlolx

I now return possession of this thread back over to 'mizzoufan1'

haha...I did that because I have been "academically trained" to not trust internet sources UNLESS they come from academic publishing houses. Wikipedia is OK as a "locator" source but not useful as a "primary" source.

But we are getting off track.

What schools in your all's mind would have decent enough fan support to restart varsity football...my leaning would be the schools in the south and midwest...

[Shockerman]

Wichita State has got to be a school that has some huge potential in FCS. The Athletic budget this year will be around 17 Million without football which shows we are committed to an excellent Athletic program. What is the Football only budget at the top tier FCS Football schools like NDSU, Montana, YSU, ASU, GSU etc???

[JetsLuvver]

Manhattan hosted a number of big-name teams (LSU, NC State, Kentucky, Michigan State among others) at Ebbets Field, Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds during the 1930s, played in the 1932 Palm Festival (a forerunner to the Orange Bowl) against Miami and later fielded a club team from 1965-87.

[mizzoufan1]

Manhattan hosted a number of big-name teams (LSU, NC State, Kentucky, Michigan State among others) at Ebbets Field, Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds during the 1930s, played in the 1932 Palm Festival (a forerunner to the Orange Bowl) against Miami and later fielded a club team from 1965-87.

Mizzou also played "at" NYU 5 times (they came to Columbia once). Here is the series history according to the MU Media Guide...

NEW YORK U. (Series tied, 3-3)
1928 — New York, 27-7 at New York
1929 — New York, 14-0 at New York
1930 — New York, 38-0 at New York
1939 — Missouri, 20-7 at New York
1940 — Missouri, 33-0 at Columbia
1941 — Missouri, 26-0 at New York

[gt_bison]

I wonder what is preventing these schools from starting their programs back up? Is it the land not available to build football stadiums? Or is it due to the fact that Cal-Berkeley and UCLA don't want too heavy of competition for football athletes (applies to Davis, Riverside, and Santa Barbara)? The Cal State system has football at San Diego, San Jose, and Fresno. The three privates probably have Major financial issues (Pacific, St. Mary's, San Francisco)

Any West Coast football fans have an answer to these thoughts/questions?

My undergraduate advisor was a graduate student at UC-Santa Barbara when they dropped football. The graduate students were tired of paying for it through fees, so they initiated a vote of the student body to kill off the program. The undergraduates didn't turn out to vote (or didn't care) but the grad students turned out in droves. Thus, the end of UCSB football.

[JetsLuvver]

I have a few corrections to that list.

UT Pan American and UNC Asheville only had programs at the junior college level, and Fairleigh Dickinson, as far as I've been able to figure out, has only ever had a club level team.

Arkansas Little Rock had a football program as a two-year school. I don't know why they haven't considered a D1 team. They have a suitable stadium and a conference affiliation.

Though not Division I, I was surprised to discover that the University of Bridgeport, which over the years has often discussed abandoning athletics all together, once had a football team.

A few future FCS schools (Hofstra, CCSU, Northeastern) appeared on their schedule. I wonder where they'd be today if they'd kept their program.

[UCAMonkey]

Notre Dame (2007) xlolx

[DSUrocks07]

Notre Dame (2007) xlolx

Florida State (2005)
Miami (2007)

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[813Jag]

Florida State (2005)
Miami (2007)

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Florida State won the ACC in 05. xreadx And even as bad as they did last year (7-6) they weren't as bad as Miami.

[SactoHornetFan]

The Cal State system has football at San Diego, San Jose, and Fresno.

Ahem, don't forget Sac State and Cal Poly.

[mizzoufan1]

Ahem, don't forget Sac State and Cal Poly.

Sorry 'bout that...I was trying to make an example...

[poly51]

Add:
Chico State
Cal State Hayward
San Francisco State
Sonoma State

Those are currently D-II schools. Cal State Hayward (now Cal State East Bay) is D-III.

Additional D-II schools that have discontinued football:

Cal State LA
Cal Poly Pomona

[bojeta]

I wonder what is preventing these schools from starting their programs back up? Is it the land not available to build football stadiums? Or is it due to the fact that Cal-Berkeley and UCLA don't want too heavy of competition for football athletes (applies to Davis, Riverside, and Santa Barbara)? The Cal State system has football at San Diego, San Jose, and Fresno. The three privates probably have Major financial issues (Pacific, St. Mary's, San Francisco)

Any West Coast football fans have an answer to these thoughts/questions?

Excellent points you make! I wholeheartedly agree!! A few corrections I'd like to make: 1. Davis is an FCS program. 2. UCSB has an outstanding 17,000 seat stadium that could easily be upgraded to 30,000+. 3. Cal State has programs at: FBS: San Diego State and Fresno State FCS: Cal Poly and Sacramento State DII Humboldt State. The primary reason stated is always cost of startup, staffing, travel and Title IX funding requirements. A student fee which would equate to roughly the cost of a single concert in exchange for a season of free admission is always a difficult point to sell when the issue must be voted on by the student body. Sucks! However, I believe some of these programs could bring football back with the right informational campaign: UCSB, Long Beach State, Fullerton, Northridge, UOP and others. UCSB has the best opportunity given their excellent pre-existing facilities which would put them in the upper echelon of FCS stadiums.

[Appfan_in_CAAland]

Xavier OH (1984)



Xavier's last year of DI football was 1973. My dad was a student there at the time. He said they didn't have the money, and rather than follow the Dayton path into DIII, they just killed the program. Apparently, they had been pretty big time once, even playing in the Fiesta Bowl. They felt that if they couldn't afford to play big-time ball, then they wouldn't play football at all. So sad.

They would be a great addition to the PFL.

[Jackman]

I have always wondered what Vermont's problem is.

We all do.

[aceinthehole]

IThough not Division I, I was surprised to discover that the University of Bridgeport, which over the years has often discussed abandoning athletics all together, once had a football team.

A few future FCS schools (Hofstra, CCSU, Northeastern) appeared on their schedule. I wonder where they'd be today if they'd kept their program.

Arnold College merged with Univ. of Bridgeport in 1953.
http://www1bpt.bridgeport.edu/about/history/paper_06.html
http://www1bpt.bridgeport.edu/about/history/paper_09.html

NFL Hall of Famer Andy Robestelli played at Arnold.

[Go...gate]

While we're on the subject, a look back at the largest school in the nation not playing in Division I, New York University.

NYU used to play football games at Yankee Stadium and routinely filled the place, once playing Ohio State before 72,000. The annual game with Georgetown was 50,000+ for a number of years.

But the annual game with Fordham was the "big" game for NYC college football supremacy--while NYU played at Yankee Stadium, Fordham played across the river at the Polo Grounds. The attendance figures below (from an NYU web site) show how the numbers really took off in the 1920's and tailed off after WWII.

NYU dropped football in 1952, was one of the three original club football schools in 1964 (along with Georgetown and Fordham), dropped it again in 1966, and dropped all sports in 1971. It plays a limited number of sports in D-III now, but no football. Enrollment at NYU is approx. 41,000.

NYU vs. Fordham
1923: 10,000
1924: 15,000
1925: 15,000
1926: 35,000
1927: 45,000
1928: 50,000
1929: 60,000
1930: 78,500
1931: 75,000
1932: 40,000
1933: 30,000
1934: 75,000
1935: 75,000
1936: 50,000
1937: 65,000
1938: 50,000
1939: 57,000
1940: 35,000
1941: 31,000
-----
1946: 28,000
1947: 27,000
1948: 26,000
1950: 11,500
1951: 12,500
1952: 10,000

NYU, in its "Big-Time" years, also played Colgate in NYC on an annual basis.

[Go...gate]

This issue with NYU is that it is nothing but a huge commuter school. They had to go private & then they took in all of the faith & liberal based initiatives & call it a school. They only have about 12k total students in certified degree programs ...most of those are not certified outside of New York. Over half of their students are in professional or non-credit programs. In order to receive all of these private funds they cannot have real athletics.

On another note, my uncle actually was on football scholarship and played at Marquette in the 50's. The issue with so many of the Parochial schools is resources. No money, and most of it goes to Notre Dame.

I think you are mixing NYU up with City College of New York.

[art vandelay]

We all do.

their problem is that the school is filled with people who think they are some super intellectual progressive school, but in reality they a just another state school. unfortunately the people of VT would love a FB program but the schools is to good for it.

here is a list of sport UVM has dropped recently.
football
gymnastics men and women
baseball
softball
wrestling

[jimbo65]

Does anyone have enough information to determine how many of these schools now have club football? I did not know Vermont had a club team for example. As for Xavier, they have a fairly new club team, ( 1 or 2 seasons). They play in the same league as Marquette. Last year, Xavier won the league. In 2009, Xavier will play at Division II Lincoln University in Missouri! It will be Lincoln's homecoming game. It is pretty impressive for a club team to land a game against an NCAA, Division II, scholarship team IMHO! I'm hoping that Xavier plays well and that they keep building momentum for a return to NCAA football. Xavier would be a perfect PFL team, and of course they would immediately become Dayton's #1 rival in the PFL if it ever comes to pass....

Back to club football, it is virtually impossible to find a complete list. Sounds like a good project, ( or a nice website ), for someone so inclined.... I know that one of the teams in Xavier's league is Miami,OH. Of course they have an FBS team as well. How many FBS schools also have club teams...? Hint, hint....
As you may know, Fordham dropped fball in the early 1950s. It returned in 1965 as a club team & played NYU, their former big time rival. The Fordham field was filled to over capacity, estimates of 15,000 with huge coverage by the NY Paoers & TV. After some years of club fball we moved up to D-3. D-3 does not allow schollies but did allow them for the first couple of years so that the newcomer could have a chance. We took full advantage of the opportunit & recruited Kurt Sohn, NY Jets, Sam Bowers, Jersey Generals, an OSU lineman, a second or third string Pitt QB and many others. We obliterated the D-3 opponents. The only game we lost was to LaFayette, D-1 I believe and possibly a game to Dayton. Not sure what level DU was at the time. While we should have been invited to the D-3 playoffs, we were not. Apparently the NCAA thought we more than balanced the scales. At any rate, we eventually moved to the non-schollie 1AA Patriot Laeague as an assoc. fball member. We now have started giving schollies and have games sched for next year w. UCONN & Army. While we will likely be trounced on these games, particularly v. UCONN, we are moving forward.

I relate this as X, & for that matter, Dayton can do the same. The Fordham advance was made possible by interested & contributing alums

[Seawolf97]

Here is a topic that may stir some interest...

These are current schools that reside in Division I that had football at one time or another. This may not be a complete list so add to it. (Courtesy of The Helmet Project: http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/)
Some of these schools had football as recently as last year...

Boston U. (1998)
Bradley (1971)
Cal-Riverside (1976)
Cal-Santa Barbara (1992)
Cal State-Fullerton (1993)
Cal State-Northridge (2001)
Canisius (2002)
Centenary LA (1947)
Creighton (1942)
Denver (1961)
Drexel (1974)
East Tennessee State (2003)
Evansville (1998)
Fairfield (2003)
George Washington (1967)
Gonzaga (1941)
High Point (1951)
Illinois-Chicago (1984)
La Salle (2007)
Lamar (1990)
Long Beach State (1992)
Loyola Marymount (1952)
Manhattan (1942)
Marquette (1961)
Mercer (1941 or 1942)
Morris Brown (2003)
Mount St. Mary's (1951)
Niagara (1951)
Pacific CA (1996)
Pepperdine (1961)
Portland (1950)
Rider (1952)
St. Bonaventure (1952)
St. John's (2002)
Saint Louis (1950)
St. Mary's (2004)
St. Peter's NJ (2007)
San Francisco (1972)
Santa Clara (1993)
Seton Hall (1982)
Siena (2004)
Stetson (1957)
Texas-Arlington (1986)
Vermont (1974)
Wichita State (1987)
Wisconsin-Milwaukee (1975)
Xavier OH (1984)

(gophoenix...here are more schools you can add to your "dishonorable mentions" fight song list...)

Dont forget Iona. I think they dropped their program after the 2007 season.

[superman7515]

Don't forget this thread is three years old and he hasn't logged in since September. xlolx

[Twentysix]

While we're on the subject, a look back at the largest school in the nation not playing in Division I, New York University.

NYU used to play football games at Yankee Stadium and routinely filled the place, once playing Ohio State before 72,000. The annual game with Georgetown was 50,000+ for a number of years.

But the annual game with Fordham was the "big" game for NYC college football supremacy--while NYU played at Yankee Stadium, Fordham played across the river at the Polo Grounds. The attendance figures below (from an NYU web site) show how the numbers really took off in the 1920's and tailed off after WWII.

NYU dropped football in 1952, was one of the three original club football schools in 1964 (along with Georgetown and Fordham), dropped it again in 1966, and dropped all sports in 1971. It plays a limited number of sports in D-III now, but no football. Enrollment at NYU is approx. 41,000.

NYU vs. Fordham
1923: 10,000
1924: 15,000
1925: 15,000
1926: 35,000
1927: 45,000
1928: 50,000
1929: 60,000
1930: 78,500
1931: 75,000
1932: 40,000
1933: 30,000
1934: 75,000
1935: 75,000
1936: 50,000
1937: 65,000
1938: 50,000
1939: 57,000
1940: 35,000
1941: 31,000
-----
1946: 28,000
1947: 27,000
1948: 26,000
1950: 11,500
1951: 12,500
1952: 10,000

Might by the largest school from your side of the country U of M is over 50,000.

I honestly dont think 41,000 is even in the top 10 in the USA...

[Twentysix]

Just caught the "Not playing in division 1" Nvm.

[superman7515]

Just caught the "Not playing in division 1" Nvm.

The University of Phoenix with 530,000+ is the largest university not playing D1 football. Haha xlolx

[bojeta]

Does anyone have enough information to determine how many of these schools now have club football? I did not know Vermont had a club team for example. As for Xavier, they have a fairly new club team, ( 1 or 2 seasons). They play in the same league as Marquette. Last year, Xavier won the league. In 2009, Xavier will play at Division II Lincoln University in Missouri! It will be Lincoln's homecoming game. It is pretty impressive for a club team to land a game against an NCAA, Division II, scholarship team IMHO! I'm hoping that Xavier plays well and that they keep building momentum for a return to NCAA football. Xavier would be a perfect PFL team, and of course they would immediately become Dayton's #1 rival in the PFL if it ever comes to pass....

Back to club football, it is virtually impossible to find a complete list. Sounds like a good project, ( or a nice website ), for someone so inclined.... I know that one of the teams in Xavier's league is Miami,OH. Of course they have an FBS team as well. How many FBS schools also have club teams...? Hint, hint....

UCSB was playing DII ball up to the late 60's. Had two great seasons and decided to make the jump to DI. Two disastrous seasons followed when they scheduled two "money" games against Washington and Tennessee. No one knew when they scheduled them that they would both be national title contenders. Coupled with financial difficulties... they fell prey to a grad student movement to get rid of football. In 1972 the program was dropped. They started up a program again in 1987 as a club team and were immediately successful. They quickly moved to DIII and played a predominantly DII schedule and continued to win. By 1991 they made the jump to DII and had another winning season. 1992 was their first post season eligible year, but the NCAA enacted a rule forcing all schools with DI sports programs to play DI in ALL SPORTS. They scrambled to try and form a DIAAA non scholarship conference, but couldn't find enough interested programs to make it fly. A vote went out to the students to fund the program and it failed. Just this week, it was announced that football is once again going on the ballot. I think they would make a perfect fit for the 14th spot in the Big Sky Conf. and I'm rooting for them!!!

[Redhawk2010]

but the NCAA enacted a rule forcing all schools with DI sports programs to play DI in ALL SPORTS.

Why are some schools allowed to play hockey DI and at other levels for other sports?

[Sader87]

Why are some schools allowed to play hockey DI and at other levels for other sports?

There are others here who can give you a better/more complete answer, but to answer quickly, there were a few schools that were "grandfathered in" for one D1 sport only (Johns Hopkins in lacrosse, Union in hockey etc.).

[poly51]

Why are some schools allowed to play hockey DI and at other levels for other sports?

You can play up but not down.

Schools with D-1 programs can't play down a division in 1 sport. Schools with D-II or D-III programs can play D-1 in 1 sport. (It maybe 2 sports.).

[aceinthehole]

You can play up but not down.

Schools with D-1 programs can't play down a division in 1 sport. Schools with D-II or D-III programs can play D-1 in 1 sport. (It maybe 2 sports.).

D-II and D-III schools can play 1 men's and 1 women's sport at the D-I level (except basketball and football). However, D-III schools can't offer scholarships at the D-I level (except programs granfathered).

The only sports currently being played "up" are M & W Lax, M & W Ice Hockey, M & W Soccer, W Bowling, and Baseball.