CDS Preseason All-American Team

[TexasTerror]

I'm not sure I can lend any credibility to a team that has Bobby Reid as the first-team QB and a kicker (Jeff Turner) who is not even the top kicker in the Southland Conference as well on the first-team...

http://cdsdraft.com/aa.php?team=IAA

D1AA - First Team Offense
# QB Bobby Reid, Texas Southern, 6'3", 230
# RB Corey Lewis, Northern Iowa, 6'0", 197
# RB Mike McLeod, Yale, 5'11", 205
# WR Ramses Barden, Cal Poly, 6'5", 225
# WR Terrell Hudgins, Elon, 6'2", 225 (Jr.)
# TE Marquez Branson, Central Arkansas, 6'3", 245
# OT Joel Bell, Furman, 6'7", 315
# OT Keith Buckman, North Dakota State, 6'5", 310 (Jr.)
# OG JD Quinn, Montana, 6'4", 310
# OG Matt McCracken, Richmond, 6'4", 300 (RS So.)
# C Colin Dow, Montana, 6'5", 305
# K Jeff Turner, Southeastern Louisiana, 5'9", 175 (Jr.)
# KR JT Rogan, San Diego, 5'10", 190

D1AA - First Team Defense
# DE Robert Brown, Wagner, 6'1", 240
# DE Greg Peach, Eastern Washington, 6'2", 256
# DT Anthony Williams, Appalachian State, 6'1", 285 (Jr.)
# DT Mark Huygens, Northern Iowa, 6'6", 277
# LB Bobby Daly, Montana State, 6'0", 225
# LB Rechard Johnson, Alabama State, 5'11", 190 (RS So.)
# LB Quintin Phillips, Western Carolina, 6'2", 240
# LB Tim Turner, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 6'2", 220
# CB Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State, 6'0", 185
# CB David Hyland, Morehead State, 6'1", 190
# FS Colt Anderson, Montana, 5'10", 190
# SS Marcus Haywood, James Madison, 6'0", 190
# P Ryan Coyle, Princeton, 6'3", 210
# PR Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5'10", 180

D1AA - Second Team Offense
# QB Dominic Randolph, Holy Cross, 6'3", 215
# RB Rashad Jennings, Liberty, 6'1", 235
# RB Jordan Scott, Colgate, 5'11", 205
# WR Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5'10", 180
# WR Cameron Luke, Texas State, 6'2", 210
# TE Scott Sicko, New Hampshire, 6'3", 245 (Jr.)
# OT Tim Silver, Richmond, 6'6", 310
# OT Raphael Nguti, Albany, 6'7", 325
# OG Dennis Conley, Hampton, 6'4", 305
# OG Chaz Millard, Eastern Illinois, 6'3", 305 (Jr.)
# C Kheon Hendricks, Delaware, 6'1", 300
# K Mark Troyan, Duquesne, 5'9", 195
# KR Justin Rogers, Richmond, 5'10", 170 (RS So.)

D1AA - Second Team Defense
# DE Ledarius Anthony, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 6'6", 250
# DE Jeremy Maddox, Alabama AM, 6'0", 245 (Jr.)
# DT Dennis Marsh, Norfolk State, 6'5", 300
# DT Mychel Savage, Youngstown State, 6'2", 300
# LB Cyrus Mulitalo, Sacramento State, 6'1", 245
# LB Ryan Phipps, Idaho State, 6'0", 230
# LB DJ Smith, Appalachian State, 6'1", 215, (So.)
# LB Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6'3", 225
# CB Al Donaldson, Alabama A&M, 5'10", 175
# CB Darrell Harrison, Brown, 5'11", 175
# FS Aaron Strader, Duquesne, 6'3", 190
# SS Brandon Gathof, Eastern Kentucky, 6'2", 205
# P Brandon Lane, Elon, 6'6", 240
# PR Johnny Gray, Northern Iowa, 5'9", 185

D1AA - Honorable Mention
# QB Armanti Edwards, Appalachian State (Jr.) QB Ryan Perrilloux, Jacksonville State (Jr.)
# QB Jake Phillips, William & Mary
# QB Chris Pizzotti, Harvard
# QB Rob Schoenhoft, Delaware (Jr.)
# QB John Skelton, Fordham (Jr.)

# RB Herb Donaldson, Western Illinois
# RB Jay Lucas, Southeastern Louisiana
# RB David McCarty, Albany (Jr.)
# RB Trevyn Smith, Weber State (Jr.)
# RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State

# WR Aaron Boyce, Eastern Washington (Jr.)
# WR Jamar Johnson, Norfolk State
# WR John Matthews, San Diego
# WR Kervin Michaud, Delaware
# WR Brandon Rice, UC Davis
# WR Andre Roberts, Citadel (Jr.)

# TE Larry Hedden, Furman (Jr.)
# TE Brian Mandeville, Northeastern
# TE Jerimiah Wurzbacher, North Dakota State

# OT Adrian Brown, Delaware State
# OT DeMario Deese, Gardner-Webb
# OT Lane Freiwald, Central Arkansas (Jr.)
# OT Britt Leggett, Coastal Carolina
# OT Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State
# OT Kevin Mahoney, Eastern Illinois (Jr.)

# OG Jonathan Compas, UC Davis
# OG Steve Kuhns, Duquesne (Jr.)
# OG Eman Naghavi, McNeese State
# OG Shawn Smith, Southern Illinois (Jr.)

# C Nathan Soto, Morgan State
# C Jonathan St. Pierre, Illinois State

# K Robbie DeHaze, Northern Arizona
# K Gavin Hallford, Jacksonville State
# K Taylor Long, Eastern Kentucky

# KR Dominic Bolden, Liberty
# KR Maurice Dupree, Jacksonville State
# KR Terrence Holt, Austin Peay (Jr.)

# DE Jeff Bradley, Western Carolina (Jr.)
# DE Mykol Gardiner, Duquesne (Jr.)
# DE Eric Schroeder, South Dakota State
# DE Damon Suggs, Georgia Southern
# DE Ronald Tally, Delaware
# DE Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois

# DT John Faletoese, UC Davis
# DT Ronald Green, Mississippi Valley State
# DT Brian Jackson, Lehigh
# DT Aaron Jones, Eastern Kentucky
# DT Eric Mikolajchak, Sam Houston State
# DT Gary Tharrington, Appalachian State (Jr.)

# LB Pierre Banks, Appalachian State
# LB Jovan Belcher, Maine
# LB Mario Brown, Gardner-Webb
# LB Endor Cooper, Howard
# LB Seth Goldwire, Wofford
# LB Erik Johnson, Delaware
# LB Tony Robertson, Appalachian State (Jr.)
# LB Ryan Shotwell, Cal Poly (Jr.)

# CB Jackie Bates, Hampton
# CB DJ Clark, Idaho State
# CB Kevin Gerard, Northern Arizona
# CB Markee Hamlin, South Carolina State (Jr.)
# CB Frank Moore, Alabama A&M
# CB Patrick Stoudamire, Western Illinois (Jr.)

# FS Chris Covington, Georgia Southern
# FS Steward Franks, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
# FS Terrell Whitehead, Norfolk State (Jr.)

# SS David Caldwell, William & Mary (Jr.)
# SS Drew Mack, Towson
# SS Jeromy Miles, Massachusetts (Jr.)

# P Jahmal Blanchard, Hampton (Jr.)
# P Robbie DeHaze, Northern Arizona
# P Doug Spada, Southeast Missouri State (Jr.)

# PR Shaun Adair, Lafayette
# PR Bryant Eteuati, Weber State
# PR Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State

[PW Bison]

I am shocked that Tyler Rhoel is nowhere this list. He is at least a top 5, but not even an honorable mention on here.

[3rd Coast Tiger]

Come on everybody!!!
Let's burn the CDS building down!!!
They called us "D1AA"!!!!

Assholes!!!!

xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx

[andy7171]

Come on everybody!!!
Let's burn the CDS building down!!!
They called us "D1AA"!!!!

Assholes!!!!

xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx

Not sure why, but this made me laugh. I'm almost sure 3rdCoast is kidding, but he sells it with the cursing!
xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

[GeauxLions94]

I'm not sure I can lend any credibility to a team that has Bobby Reid as the first-team QB and a kicker (Jeff Turner) who is not even the top kicker in the Southland Conference as well on the first-team...

Don't know about Reid (probably a stretch since Edwards was listed as honorable mention) ... but you disagree on Turner (and a Houston boy at that)???

Only missed three FG's in 20 attempts all year (two were blocked and true miss was from 54) and finished second in FCS in field goals and 17th in scoring (and he only played in nine games).

[GeauxLions94]

Come on everybody!!!
Let's burn the CDS building down!!!
They called us "D1AA"!!!!

Assholes!!!!

xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx xmadx

Storm the Bastille!

[3rd Coast Tiger]

Not sure why, but this made me laugh. I'm almost sure 3rdCoast is kidding, but he sells it with the cursing!
xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

Of course I am kidding andy. I was just being sarcastic due to TexasTerror sitting in his perch with his binoculars surveying the land ready to attack anybody that uses D1-AA instead of FCS. As he tries to get all AGS posters fired up about it. xnonox

[andy7171]

Not even an Honorable Mention for Sean Schaefer. I'm pretty sure he's got the most passing yards out of everyone mentioned. The kid from Delaware hasn't even played yet. Perriloux? The writer is star struck!

Armanti Edwards should be 1st team without question! Phillips from W&M is good, but what about the kid from Richmond?

[McNeese75]

Entertaining, but that is about it xcoffeex

[BarefootApp]

Not even entertaining. stupid, and a waste of vaulable cyberspace.

[TexasTerror]

Don't know about Reid (probably a stretch since Edwards was listed as honorable mention) ... but you disagree on Turner (and a Houston boy at that)???

Only missed three FG's in 20 attempts all year (two were blocked and true miss was from 54) and finished second in FCS in field goals and 17th in scoring (and he only played in nine games).

Blake Bercegeay is back this coming year for McNeese...Turner is solid, but I give the All-American BB the "nod"...


Not even entertaining. stupid, and a waste of vaulable cyberspace.

3rd Coast Tiger and company are all excited about this listing...they think that I am simply "hating" on it because they have a first-team QB and the fact it calls our subdivision, the wrong name...

The fact is...there's no credibility to this one by a long shot! The list speaks for itself and anyone that follows our subdivision knows as much...

[3rd Coast Tiger]

3rd Coast Tiger and company are all excited about this listing...they think that I am simply "hating" on it because they have a first-team QB and the fact it calls our subdivision, the wrong name...

The fact is...there's no credibility to this one by a long shot! The list speaks for itself and anyone that follows our subdivision knows as much...

In all sincerity TT, please STFU dude! No fan from Texas Southern is excited about this PRE-SEASON crap.

I posted all over this listing because it is listed as "D1-AA" and I know that you are writing President Bush as we speak.

Based on the brilliance of Armanti Edwards over the past two years he DESERVES to be listed on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Honorable Mention teams. xthumbsupx

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm not sure I can lend any credibility to a team that has Bobby Reid as the first-team QB and a kicker (Jeff Turner) who is not even the top kicker in the Southland Conference as well on the first-team...

http://cdsdraft.com/aa.php?team=IAA

D1AA - First Team Offense
# QB Bobby Reid, Texas Southern, 6'3", 230
# RB Corey Lewis, Northern Iowa, 6'0", 197
# RB Mike McLeod, Yale, 5'11", 205
# WR Ramses Barden, Cal Poly, 6'5", 225
# WR Terrell Hudgins, Elon, 6'2", 225 (Jr.)
# TE Marquez Branson, Central Arkansas, 6'3", 245
# OT Joel Bell, Furman, 6'7", 315
# OT Keith Buckman, North Dakota State, 6'5", 310 (Jr.)
# OG JD Quinn, Montana, 6'4", 310
# OG Matt McCracken, Richmond, 6'4", 300 (RS So.)
# C Colin Dow, Montana, 6'5", 305
# K Jeff Turner, Southeastern Louisiana, 5'9", 175 (Jr.)
# KR JT Rogan, San Diego, 5'10", 190

D1AA - First Team Defense
# DE Robert Brown, Wagner, 6'1", 240
# DE Greg Peach, Eastern Washington, 6'2", 256
# DT Anthony Williams, Appalachian State, 6'1", 285 (Jr.)
# DT Mark Huygens, Northern Iowa, 6'6", 277
# LB Bobby Daly, Montana State, 6'0", 225
# LB Rechard Johnson, Alabama State, 5'11", 190 (RS So.)
# LB Quintin Phillips, Western Carolina, 6'2", 240
# LB Tim Turner, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 6'2", 220
# CB Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State, 6'0", 185
# CB David Hyland, Morehead State, 6'1", 190
# FS Colt Anderson, Montana, 5'10", 190
# SS Marcus Haywood, James Madison, 6'0", 190
# P Ryan Coyle, Princeton, 6'3", 210
# PR Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5'10", 180

D1AA - Second Team Offense
# QB Dominic Randolph, Holy Cross, 6'3", 215
# RB Rashad Jennings, Liberty, 6'1", 235
# RB Jordan Scott, Colgate, 5'11", 205
# WR Jeremy Gilchrist, Hampton, 5'10", 180
# WR Cameron Luke, Texas State, 6'2", 210
# TE Scott Sicko, New Hampshire, 6'3", 245 (Jr.)
# OT Tim Silver, Richmond, 6'6", 310
# OT Raphael Nguti, Albany, 6'7", 325
# OG Dennis Conley, Hampton, 6'4", 305
# OG Chaz Millard, Eastern Illinois, 6'3", 305 (Jr.)
# C Kheon Hendricks, Delaware, 6'1", 300
# K Mark Troyan, Duquesne, 5'9", 195
# KR Justin Rogers, Richmond, 5'10", 170 (RS So.)

D1AA - Second Team Defense
# DE Ledarius Anthony, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, 6'6", 250
# DE Jeremy Maddox, Alabama AM, 6'0", 245 (Jr.)
# DT Dennis Marsh, Norfolk State, 6'5", 300
# DT Mychel Savage, Youngstown State, 6'2", 300
# LB Cyrus Mulitalo, Sacramento State, 6'1", 245
# LB Ryan Phipps, Idaho State, 6'0", 230
# LB DJ Smith, Appalachian State, 6'1", 215, (So.)
# LB Jason Williams, Western Illinois, 6'3", 225
# CB Al Donaldson, Alabama A&M, 5'10", 175
# CB Darrell Harrison, Brown, 5'11", 175
# FS Aaron Strader, Duquesne, 6'3", 190
# SS Brandon Gathof, Eastern Kentucky, 6'2", 205
# P Brandon Lane, Elon, 6'6", 240
# PR Johnny Gray, Northern Iowa, 5'9", 185

D1AA - Honorable Mention
# QB Armanti Edwards, Appalachian State (Jr.) QB Ryan Perrilloux, Jacksonville State (Jr.)
# QB Jake Phillips, William & Mary
# QB Chris Pizzotti, Harvard
# QB Rob Schoenhoft, Delaware (Jr.)
# QB John Skelton, Fordham (Jr.)

# RB Herb Donaldson, Western Illinois
# RB Jay Lucas, Southeastern Louisiana
# RB David McCarty, Albany (Jr.)
# RB Trevyn Smith, Weber State (Jr.)
# RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State

# WR Aaron Boyce, Eastern Washington (Jr.)
# WR Jamar Johnson, Norfolk State
# WR John Matthews, San Diego
# WR Kervin Michaud, Delaware
# WR Brandon Rice, UC Davis
# WR Andre Roberts, Citadel (Jr.)

# TE Larry Hedden, Furman (Jr.)
# TE Brian Mandeville, Northeastern
# TE Jerimiah Wurzbacher, North Dakota State

# OT Adrian Brown, Delaware State
# OT DeMario Deese, Gardner-Webb
# OT Lane Freiwald, Central Arkansas (Jr.)
# OT Britt Leggett, Coastal Carolina
# OT Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State
# OT Kevin Mahoney, Eastern Illinois (Jr.)

# OG Jonathan Compas, UC Davis
# OG Steve Kuhns, Duquesne (Jr.)
# OG Eman Naghavi, McNeese State
# OG Shawn Smith, Southern Illinois (Jr.)

# C Nathan Soto, Morgan State
# C Jonathan St. Pierre, Illinois State

# K Robbie DeHaze, Northern Arizona
# K Gavin Hallford, Jacksonville State
# K Taylor Long, Eastern Kentucky

# KR Dominic Bolden, Liberty
# KR Maurice Dupree, Jacksonville State
# KR Terrence Holt, Austin Peay (Jr.)

# DE Jeff Bradley, Western Carolina (Jr.)
# DE Mykol Gardiner, Duquesne (Jr.)
# DE Eric Schroeder, South Dakota State
# DE Damon Suggs, Georgia Southern
# DE Ronald Tally, Delaware
# DE Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois

# DT John Faletoese, UC Davis
# DT Ronald Green, Mississippi Valley State
# DT Brian Jackson, Lehigh
# DT Aaron Jones, Eastern Kentucky
# DT Eric Mikolajchak, Sam Houston State
# DT Gary Tharrington, Appalachian State (Jr.)

# LB Pierre Banks, Appalachian State
# LB Jovan Belcher, Maine
# LB Mario Brown, Gardner-Webb
# LB Endor Cooper, Howard
# LB Seth Goldwire, Wofford
# LB Erik Johnson, Delaware
# LB Tony Robertson, Appalachian State (Jr.)
# LB Ryan Shotwell, Cal Poly (Jr.)

# CB Jackie Bates, Hampton
# CB DJ Clark, Idaho State
# CB Kevin Gerard, Northern Arizona
# CB Markee Hamlin, South Carolina State (Jr.)
# CB Frank Moore, Alabama A&M
# CB Patrick Stoudamire, Western Illinois (Jr.)

# FS Chris Covington, Georgia Southern
# FS Steward Franks, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
# FS Terrell Whitehead, Norfolk State (Jr.)

# SS David Caldwell, William & Mary (Jr.)
# SS Drew Mack, Towson
# SS Jeromy Miles, Massachusetts (Jr.)

# P Jahmal Blanchard, Hampton (Jr.)
# P Robbie DeHaze, Northern Arizona
# P Doug Spada, Southeast Missouri State (Jr.)

# PR Shaun Adair, Lafayette
# PR Bryant Eteuati, Weber State
# PR Ladarius Webb, Nicholls State

They just had an All America team a month ago. This is a complete joke not just because of the picks but also due to the fact they update their preseason team more than once in the summer. How can you have a release and then update that release just a few weeks later?xnonox xnonox

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Not to mention Walton Payton watch list candidate Matt Nichols isn't even an honorable mention!??? Blasphemy!

[Lionsrking]

Blake Bercegeay is back this coming year for McNeese...Turner is solid, but I give the All-American BB the "nod"...



3rd Coast Tiger and company are all excited about this listing...they think that I am simply "hating" on it because they have a first-team QB and the fact it calls our subdivision, the wrong name...

The fact is...there's no credibility to this one by a long shot! The list speaks for itself and anyone that follows our subdivision knows as much...

Nothing against Blake Bercegeay...he's very talented and may very well have a great 2008, but he was 8 for 13 last year, Turner was 17 for 20, including a SLC record six field goals in one game. I'm not claiming Jeff should be 1st team pre-season All-American (though should be considered) but to say this publication's list has no credibility because they chose him over other kickers in the Southland is ridiculous.

[TexasTerror]

I'm not claiming Jeff should be 1st team pre-season All-American (though should be considered) but to say this publication's list has no credibility because they chose him over other kickers in the Southland is ridiculous.

No credibility because...

a) This publication released the All-American list twice according to one poster here

b) Bobby Reid, who has not played a snap in FCS and will be playing on a team that went 0-11 last year as a first-teamer

c) Several players of note are not on the team while several players (including 3 UAPB players and a SHSU player) that should not be on the team are.

[Lionsrking]

No credibility because...

a) This publication released the All-American list twice according to one poster here

b) Bobby Reid, who has not played a snap in FCS and will be playing on a team that went 0-11 last year as a first-teamer

c) Several players of note are not on the team while several players (including 3 UAPB players and a SHSU player) that should not be on the team are.

Those are legitimate issues to question, but using Jeff Turner as an example because you don't think he's the best kicker in the SLC, lacks credibility in it's own right. He may very well not be the best in 2008, but he clearly was in 2007.

[TexasTerror]

Those are legitimate issues to question, but using Jeff Turner as an example because you don't think he's the best kicker in the SLC, lacks credibility in it's own right. He may very well not be the best in 2008, but he clearly was in 2007.

Had a down year in 2007 (and wasn't he even injured for part of it?), but the 'body of work' over the last three years makes him the "cream of the crop" in my eyes.

[smallcollegefbfan]

No credibility because...

a) This publication released the All-American list twice according to one poster here

b) Bobby Reid, who has not played a snap in FCS and will be playing on a team that went 0-11 last year as a first-teamer

c) Several players of note are not on the team while several players (including 3 UAPB players and a SHSU player) that should not be on the team are.

I have heard the rumor that agents pay them off and they take money from agents to direct players to them. Not sure I would put anything in a publication who would even entertain the thought of taking money from agents.

[Lionsrking]

Had a down year in 2007 (and wasn't he even injured for part of it?), but the 'body of work' over the last three years makes him the "cream of the crop" in my eyes.

Have no problem with your opinion that Bercegeay is the best guy...but when you use Jeff Turner as a specific example to question someone's credibility, especially when the numbers back him up, that's when I have a problem.

[DLS]

I hope cds didnt pay who ever compiled this list.

[Retro]

Have no problem with your opinion that Bercegeay is the best guy...but when you use Jeff Turner as a specific example to question someone's credibility, especially when the numbers back him up, that's when I have a problem.

Blake didn't really have much of a chance to showcase his skills last season because Mcneese scored so many TD's and most of his missed field goal attempts were not chip shots.. Blake Missed 5 FG's last season of 42, 52, 44 and 38 and had 1 blocked from 27 yds againest EWU on a wet field. Your right though numbers wise Turner had a better season last year based on field goals.

Besides that, this list is garabage.. Any site that is still using 1AA doesn't warrant much crediblity because it's I-AA, when that was the correct term..xrolleyesx

[McNeese75]

Nothing against Blake Bercegeay...he's very talented and may very well have a great 2008, but he was 8 for 13 last year, Turner was 17 for 20, including a SLC record six field goals in one game. I'm not claiming Jeff should be 1st team pre-season All-American (though should be considered) but to say this publication's list has no credibility because they chose him over other kickers in the Southland is ridiculous.

Bercegeay's lack of production last year had a lot to do with the improved scoring of the McNeese offense. In 2006 Blake was called to the plate more times and was 18 of 20 in FGA and 33 of 36 in Pat. I imagine Turner was placed on the line more last year due to the problems the Lion offense had at times.

Both are obviously fine kickers.

[Syntax Error]

Come on everybody!!!
Let's burn the CDS building down!!!
They called us "D1AA"!!!!Who let the dogs out? xrolleyesx
It's SHOCK AND AWE TIME!
Complaint letters sent.
Re-education camps have been notified.
Ridicule has been dispensed.
Lines have been drawn and the curses are cast.
CDS means Certainly Dumb Suckers?
Enough time wasted on this Charade of Dim Souls.

[Lionsrking]

Bercegeay's lack of production last year had a lot to do with the improved scoring of the McNeese offense. In 2006 Blake was called to the plate more times and was 18 of 20 in FGA and 33 of 36 in Pat. I imagine Turner was placed on the line more last year due to the problems the Lion offense had at times.

Both are obviously fine kickers.

Agreed.

[BeauFoster]

Any pre-season awards list that puts a player in as an AA candidate before they have taken one snap in the division is moronic. See Tim Washington from several of last year's lists. How'd that work out for ya?

[smallcollegefbfan]

Any pre-season awards list that puts a player in as an AA candidate before they have taken one snap in the division is moronic. See Tim Washington from several of last year's lists. How'd that work out for ya?

Must say I agree with you. If the player has not yet taken a snap it is not a good idea, due to past results, to include those type players.