Texas State to Sun Belt?

[MplsBison]

http://media.www.duclarion.com/media/storage/paper481/news/2008/05/20/Sports/Denver.In.Search.Of.A.New.Conference-3373576.shtml

(this link is to an article about Denver and New Orleans being given 5 years to add sports to meet the minimum SB requirement of 15 SB sports to get out of the conference)


So the Sun Belt is now down to (assuming that DU and UNO are gone):

Ark State football
Ark Little Rock no football

FAU fball
FIU fball

LA Laf fball
LA Mon fball

Middle Tenn fball
Western KY fball

South Ala adding fball
Troy fball

North TX fball



Looks like they could easily add TX State when they move up to FBS in the next couple of years and have a perfect balance of odd number of fball teams and even number of travel partner non football teams.


As far as LA Tech joining the sun belt, I doubt that LA Tech wants to reduce travel costs that much to give up WAC football.

Look at WAC football last couple of years. All you have to do is win the conference and go unbeaten and you get to play in a BCS bowl.

[TexasTerror]

Denver is not a geographical fit for the SBC and has to pay loads of $$$ to travel. Teams have to do the same to get to them. It's not a good situation for either the SBC or Denver themselves.

New Orleans is a different situation because of Katrina. They are NCAA waiver and are on pace to meet it. Three more sports next year added. That will make it nine. They will meet the SBC requirements and the NCAA requirements in the time frame required. Adding three more sports in 2009-10. That's 12 and will follow that up with a few more in the two years after that. The conference assisted them in seeing what they had to do post-Katrina and paid for the study. The reopening of Lakefront Arena will help too. New Orleans is also home to the Sun Belt offices,

La Tech will never be allowed in the Sun Belt. They basically did a Baltimore to Indianapolis (see the Colts) on the SBC and the conference will not forgive.

Denver may go and the SBC won't step in their way, but the league will be at 12 teams and two non-footballs (UALR and UNO). I do not see them allowing Texas State-San Marcos in and believe the conference prefers other schools over them without question.

You are trying too hard to create substance.

[MplsBison]

http://www.sunbeltsports.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4100&ATCLID=1151032




1. Member institutions are expected to sponsor a minimum of fifteen (15) sports in which the conference offers a championship. There shall be a five-year (2012-2013) grace period for UNO and Denver to reach this standard.




Denver is probably wanting to leave anyway.


But I would more or less consider this a death blow to UNO's Sun Belt membership.



With North Texas needing a travel partner for non football sports, I see no reason why Texas State wouldn't be a shoo in for the Sun Belt.

[TexasTerror]

But I would more or less consider this a death blow to UNO's Sun Belt membership.

I'm very well aware of the policy. Did you not read what I said? The school, which only had six sports this year, will be at nine next year. The SBC is the one who is working with the school to get them back up to where they were pre-storm. How is it a death blow? The policy is consistent with the NCAA waiver the school has. Tulane also has a similar waiver. The NCAA is working with what a very unfortunate event that the city I live in, that these two schools call home, suffered through.


With North Texas needing a travel partner for non football sports, I see no reason why Texas State wouldn't be a shoo in for the Sun Belt.

Travel partners are nice to have, but there's also the factor of a schools benefiting the conference.

[MplsBison]

Did you not read what I said? The school, which only had six sports this year, will be at nine next year.

How is 9 => 15?

[TexasTerror]

How is 9 => 15?

Again, you need to read my posts...


New Orleans is a different situation because of Katrina. They are NCAA waiver and are on pace to meet it. Three more sports next year added. That will make it nine. They will meet the SBC requirements and the NCAA requirements in the time frame required. Adding three more sports in 2009-10. That's 12 and will follow that up with a few more in the two years after that. The conference assisted them in seeing what they had to do post-Katrina and paid for the study. The reopening of Lakefront Arena will help too. New Orleans is also home to the Sun Belt offices,

The school is going to have 15 in time. The Sun Belt would look really bad if they kicked out the school before they got to that point, because of what happened to the school.

They will have nine in 2008. Up two 12 in 2009. Another sport or two a year for the next two years will get them to 15. Getting 15 sports is not a problem.

MplsBison...if you are going to state something and have no backing for your remarks because you clearly do not know about a subject, at least read what others are saying, so you can educate yourself on the topic.

I live in NOLA. I am very aware of the situation and know there will be 15 sports by the time required by the SBC and 14 by the time required by the NCAA. The school will not add a sport unless it's a conference sport until they get to where they need to be.

[813Jag]

Again, you need to read my posts...



The school is going to have 15 in time. The Sun Belt would look really bad if they kicked out the school before they got to that point, because of what happened to the school.

They will have nine in 2008. Up two 12 in 2009. Another sport or two a year for the next two years will get them to 15. Getting 15 sports is not a problem.

MplsBison...if you are going to state something and have no backing for your remarks because you clearly do not know about a subject, at least read what others are saying, so you can educate yourself on the topic.

I live in NOLA. I am very aware of the situation and know there will be 15 sports by the time required by the SBC and 14 by the time required by the NCAA. The school will not add a sport unless it's a conference sport until they get to where they need to be.
Don't argue with MPLS take what he (she?) says with a grain of salt and move on. They will never admit to being incorrect.

With this Sunbelt 15 sport rule what are UNO's options?

[TexasTerror]

With this Sunbelt 15 sport rule what are UNO's options?

Only option is that UNO needs to get the sports by the time requested by the Sun Belt. They are on track to do so and that's all she wrote. It's a moot point if that's going to be the reason for the school to leave the SBC. xthumbsupx

[MplsBison]

Another sport or two a year for the next two years will get them to 15.


I disagree. I don't think they will have 15 sports in time. Don't think they can afford it.

[TexasTerror]

I disagree. I don't think they will have 15 sports in time. Don't think they can afford it.

What makes you believe this?

They are reportedly about to accept a $1M donation according to the ABC affiliate in town for their athletic department. They also signed huge deals with Capital One and Oschner, plus picked up a title sponsor for their golf tournament. This according to their web site. Seems they are doing something worthwhile. Throw in the increased enrollment which is the case at each New Orleans institution outside of one of the local HBCUs and that's more money there as well.

Can you please crap on my new hometown anymore?

[MplsBison]

Like you give a ***** what happens at UNO.

You'll do anything to keep TSU from moving up ahead of SHSU. Obviously the Sun Belt is not the most glamorous FBS conference, but it sure as hell makes more money and gets more national exposure than any FCS conference.


Now, what are UNO's facilities?

According to http://www.unoprivateers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16700&KEY=&ATCLID=1345844&SPID=10253&SPSID=99987, they have Lakefront, a small gym, a baseball field, a pool, and tennis courts. And they can play golf at some club around town. As well, they can run XC at a golf club and train anywhere (just run around town).


That comes down to, at most:

baseball
M/W tennis
M/W swimming
M/W bball
M/W vball
M/W golf
M/W XC

That's 13. And very doubtful they'd ever add M vball as there isn't a conference or high school support for that in the south. So realistically 12 sports.

Where are the other 3 sports going to come from and where are the facilities for these? If they had a track, there would be hope as that would bring 4 more sports.

[TexasTerror]

baseball
M/W tennis
M/W swimming
M/W bball
M/W vball
M/W golf
M/W XC

That's 13. And very doubtful they'd ever add M vball as there isn't a conference or high school support for that in the south. So realistically 12 sports.

Where are the other 3 sports going to come from and where are the facilities for these? If they had a track, there would be hope as that would bring 4 more sports.

I've seen the plans for their new athletic building which they are currently raising funds for and have from what has been reported on the radio, has received quite a few commitments to make things work. They're really only raising money for the furnishings.

So, anyhow...the office layout includes offices for softball and soccer coaches. You got the other sports nailed on the money outside of men's volleyball. 15 sports is all they need for the Sun Belt, 14 is all they need for the NCAA (since they do not play football). The conference is also rumored to be looking at beach volleyball, which numerous other conferences are looking at doings (it'd be like a spring component of VB, similar to XC & T&F is to one another). What do you know? The campus is a few blocks from the beach! They had men's and women's track and field prior to the storm. Just because the facilities are not posted does not mean they do not have them.

The Lakefront Arena complex includes soccer fields. They'd just need to put a bathroom facility out there and some better seats. There's plenty of room at the same Lakefront Arena complex (which is where the baseball and tennis facilities are) for softball. Plenty of fields. Hard to go past there without seeing some recreational activities going on, whether it 8 in the morning or 7 at night.

Again, have you been to New Orleans? Have you been to the Lakefront Complex? Probably not on both accounts. I have lived in New Orleans since 2005 and have seen probably two dozen games at the baseball field.

This is not about my hate for Texas State-San Marcos, which I'll admit runs deep in my blood. This is about my passion for the city of New Orleans and the schools in it.

MplsBison -- you get back to me when you know something I do not.

[MplsBison]

Softball and M/W soccer would do the trick.

I'll believe it when I see it.


IMO, the Sun Belt wants all football members and would much rather take TSU over UNO, unless UNO adds football. Probably never happen with Tulane in town.

[TexasTerror]

Softball and M/W soccer would do the trick. I'll believe it when I see it.

SBC does not sponsor men's soccer.

UNO is on pace to add more sports, their timeline is no secret for those in the community. You just do not do it overnight as you suggest, just like NDSU does not find an all home out of conference slate overnight. Sometimes you have to wait a bit.

They are adding three sports next year. That's a huge boost. Adding three more the year after. Another huge boost. They are on pace and are working to bring in some $$$. Hiring positions to do it that they never had or have not had, that should make a difference -- mentioned recently in the newspaper that UNO has not had a ticket manager since the Tim Floyd days and they do now.


IMO, the Sun Belt wants all football members and would much rather take TSU over UNO, unless UNO adds football. Probably never happen with Tulane in town.

That may be the case, but they would have to boot the school out of the conference by a vote of the schools (I'm assuming). They would not have any other reasons as the school will reach the standards set forth.

Again as I've stated before, the Sun Belt has no interest in the San Marcos-based institution. Factors working against them...

1) SLC 'stigma' -- SBC does not want SLC schools (Southland Extreme Conference, as someone noted on UNT board)

2) The league has gone east with their last additions and there's plenty of schools to fill in the gaps -- a possible Georgia expansion with Georgia State and Georgia Southern? Would make some sense.

[MplsBison]

But it still leaves NT without a travel partner.

Obviously NT wants to pretend that it looks down on TSU, just like the rest of the Texas FCS teams want to pretend that TSU has no business moving up.



If UNO meets the standard, I doubt highly the SBC will give them the boot. I think they're banking on them not meeting the standard in time or just crying uncle and giving up from the financial burden of trying to rush in 7 more sports.

[blackfordpu]

But it still leaves NT without a travel partner.

Obviously NT wants to pretend that it looks down on TSU, just like the rest of the Texas FCS teams want to pretend that TSU has no business moving up.



If UNO meets the standard, I doubt highly the SBC will give them the boot. I think they're banking on them not meeting the standard in time or just crying uncle and giving up from the financial burden of trying to rush in 7 more sports.

Thats because based on their history they do not have any business moving up and any league that wants to become more competitive by adding another institution just needs to look at their past seasons. One successful season in ???? years is not grounds for a promotion.

[MplsBison]

FCS records have nothing to do with moving to FBS.

It's about money.

[813Jag]

FCS records have nothing to do with moving to FBS.
It's about money.
Ask Buffalo how FBS is working for them.

[TexasTerror]

But it still leaves NT without a travel partner.

North Texas has Denver as their travel partner now for the sports there are travel partners in. They don't do travel partners in hoops.

Denver is actually a very successful school in sports, just not hoops or baseball, which are obviously big sports for the SBC. 10 NCAA appearances, 1 NCAA championship, 2 individual NCAA titles, 6 conference titles and 8 coaches of the year according to their web site. They are doing pretty good and working towards doing even better.


Obviously NT wants to pretend that it looks down on TSU, just like the rest of the Texas FCS teams want to pretend that TSU has no business moving up.

The whole SBC looks down on the SLC schools. They left those schools for a reason. It goes back to the Gulf Star days. Those schools did not want those GSC schools joining the SLC. When they eventually did get into the league, that led to those SLC schools bailing. This was not a group they wanted to be in the same conference with. Still to this day, it holds true. MplsBison, time for you to read up on history... xrulesx


If UNO meets the standard, I doubt highly the SBC will give them the boot. I think they're banking on them not meeting the standard in time or just crying uncle and giving up from the financial burden of trying to rush in 7 more sports.

How would they have to rush the sports? They have until 2012-13.

2008 - 9 sports (M/W Tennis and M Swim/Dive)
2009 - 12 sports (M/W XC and W Golf)

They'd still have 2010, 2011 and 2012 to add just three more sports. Seems very plausible especially since the soccer facilities are there and it seems the SBC is the one pulling for the school more than anyone since they were the ones that bankrolled the $100k + study to see what it would take to make it work.

[JohnStOnge]

Like you give a ***** what happens at UNO.

You'll do anything to keep TSU from moving up ahead of SHSU. Obviously the Sun Belt is not the most glamorous FBS conference, but it sure as hell makes more money and gets more national exposure than any FCS conference. .

The national exposure part I wouldn't argue with. But the "makes more money" part may not be true if "makes more money" is defined as bottom line: revenues minus expenditures.

[slycat]

Thats because based on their history they do not have any business moving up and any league that wants to become more competitive by adding another institution just needs to look at their past seasons. One successful season in ???? years is not grounds for a promotion.

its what the fan base seems to want. who knows though.