Alabama State hit with 668 NCAA Violations....

[813Jag]

The NCAA's nearly five-year investigation into Alabama State University's athletic department has uncovered at least 668 violations (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS/805070387/1007/NEWS01)in four sports, according to a notice of allegations the university received last week.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

[BeauFoster]

The NCAA's nearly five-year investigation into Alabama State University's athletic department has uncovered at least 668 violations (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS/805070387/1007/NEWS01)in four sports, according to a notice of allegations the university received last week.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Instead of writing out the entire Alabama State in the thread title, you should have gone all Cledus on us and just put ASU.

And 668 violations xeekx, including at least 40 counts of grade changing? If proved to be factual, will Alabama State even be allowed by the NCAA to have an athletic department?

(Last sentence was somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

[Cobblestone]

Obviously there is some wrong doing in the case but keep in mind that many NCAA violations can be pretty frivolous. Personally I think the NCAA is one of the most hypocritical organizations in the country.

[Footix]

Instead of writing out the entire Alabama State in the thread title, you should have gone all Cledus on us and just put ASU.

And 668 violations xeekx, including at least 40 counts of grade changing? If proved to be factual, will Alabama State even be allowed by the NCAA to have an athletic department?

(Last sentence was somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

It may have been tongue-in-cheek, but if this isn't reason enough for the death penalty, then what is?

[BeauFoster]

It may have been tongue-in-cheek, but if this isn't reason enough for the death penalty, then what is?


I got the feeling from the article that a lot of the violations occured under the watch of a coach who was dismissed in 2003. The fact that 5 years have passed will probably give some respite. It doesn't make clear whether the school was attempting to clean up the program or not, however. 40 counts of grade tampering may bring in more than the NCAA - the school could lose some accredations (and rightfully so).

[813Jag]

I got the feeling from the article that a lot of the violations occured under the watch of a coach who was dismissed in 2003. The fact that 5 years have passed will probably give some respite. It doesn't make clear whether the school was attempting to clean up the program or not, however. 40 counts of grade tampering may bring in more than the NCAA - the school could lose some accredations (and rightfully so).
Alabama State is on their second coach since these violations occured. I think they self-reported most of them, but we'll see how the NCAA reacts.

[TexasTerror]

Grade changes? Wow, that's not good at all. Did not read the article, but did it state who or what changed the grades in question? Had to be someone that really had some stroke at Alabama State.

[jstate83]

I got the feeling from the article that a lot of the violations occured under the watch of a coach who was dismissed in 2003. The fact that 5 years have passed will probably give some respite. It doesn't make clear whether the school was attempting to clean up the program or not, however. 40 counts of grade tampering may bring in more than the NCAA - the school could lose some accredations (and rightfully so).

This thing started a long time ago and a lot of people, INCLUDING MYSELF, blamed the COLE brother's for ASU's mess................Specifically L. C. Cole back in 1998 or 1999.

Well.
The Cole brother's said all along they were not responsiable and over the last 2 year's, investigations have uncovered all out distain for atheletic's at that place.

Put this blame squarely on ASU's brain dead Administrator's.
Forget firing coaches every year.
They need to fire a lot of those people in charge of giving the coaches the correct information they need NOT to play player's that are ineligiable.

This is a damm shame. xsmhx

[813Jag]

This thing started a long time ago and a lot of people, INCLUDING MYSELF, blamed the COLE brother's for ASU's mess................Specifically L. C. Cole back in 1998 or 1999.

Well.
The Cole brother's said all along they were not responsiable and over the last 2 year's, investigations have uncovered all out distain for atheletic's at that place.

Put this blame squarely on ASU's brain dead Administrator's.
Forget firing coaches every year.
They need to fire a lot of those people in charge of giving the coaches the correct information they need NOT to play player's that are ineligiable.

This is a damm shame. xsmhx
xthumbsupx This problem goes way beyond the coaches.

[PaladinFan]

You would think they'd be better in sports...

[SideLine Shooter]

Amazing !!!!xrotatehx xrotatehx xshakingmadx xshakingmadx xdizzyx

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Does this mean that the Vikings can return Tavaris Jackson???

pleassse!

[Hoyadestroya85]

At least 400 of the violations must involve deceiving the NFL as to the abilities of Tarvaris Jackson

[Uncle Buck]

At least 400 of the violations must involve deceiving the NFL as to the abilities of Tarvaris Jackson

OUCH!!! xrotatehx

[T-Dog]

It may have been tongue-in-cheek, but if this isn't reason enough for the death penalty, then what is?

The NCAA will never give another school the death penalty again. It'll cost the NCAA and the school all that money plus after seeing what happened last time, they'll only do it if the school athletic program resembles the wild west.

There are issues that need to be dealt with there. Everyone's butt needs to be feeling the heat of their seat there. I wish them the best if they really want to change things. IMO, it starts with the overall culture, not just one person or a group of people.

[Ivytalk]

Crikey!xeekx

[3rd Coast Tiger]

NCAA charges Alabama State with lack of institutional control
Associated Press

Updated: May 7, 2008, 6:58 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The NCAA has accused Alabama State University of 23 rules violations, alleging widespread use of ineligible players, grade changes and recruiting misdeeds and charging the school with lack of institutional control.


The NCAA's notice of allegations, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, gave the university until June 27 to respond and culminated a nearly five-year investigation.

The alleged violations occurred from 1999-2003 and most involved the football program, including the participation of 25 players who were ineligible because they hadn't completed the required percentage of coursework toward their degrees.

The NCAA charged Alabama State with lack of institutional control, particularly within the football program, and said coaches, athletes, faculty and administrators were not properly educated on NCAA rules.

None of the coaches or the five athletic directors or interim athletic directors mentioned still work at Alabama State, said attorney Kenneth Thomas, who represents the university

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3385983

[already123]

wow! thats a lot

[813Jag]

NCAA charges Alabama State with lack of institutional control
Associated Press

Updated: May 7, 2008, 6:58 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The NCAA has accused Alabama State University of 23 rules violations, alleging widespread use of ineligible players, grade changes and recruiting misdeeds and charging the school with lack of institutional control.


The NCAA's notice of allegations, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, gave the university until June 27 to respond and culminated a nearly five-year investigation.

The alleged violations occurred from 1999-2003 and most involved the football program, including the participation of 25 players who were ineligible because they hadn't completed the required percentage of coursework toward their degrees.

The NCAA charged Alabama State with lack of institutional control, particularly within the football program, and said coaches, athletes, faculty and administrators were not properly educated on NCAA rules.

None of the coaches or the five athletic directors or interim athletic directors mentioned still work at Alabama State, said attorney Kenneth Thomas, who represents the university

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3385983
That's a lot better than 668. But there's still lots of work to be done.

[jcf5445]

I don't think the death penalty will ever be implemented again. SMU went from a championship contender to a patsy, only having 1 winning season (6-5 in 1997) since the death of their football program in 1987. They went from playing to large crowds at Texas Stadium to barely getting anyone to come watch them, despite having a brand new on campus stadium. I think if anyone would have gotten the death penalty, it would have been Baylor basketball 4 years ago.

[Hoyadestroya85]

I don't think the death penalty will ever be implemented again. SMU went from a championship contender to a patsy, only having 1 winning season (6-5 in 1997) since the death of their football program in 1987. They went from playing to large crowds at Texas Stadium to barely getting anyone to come watch them, despite having a brand new on campus stadium. I think if anyone would have gotten the death penalty, it would have been Baylor basketball 4 years ago.
It will be implemented again.. someone is gonna be dumb enough to violate rules and ignore the NCAA.. just watch

[jcf5445]

It will be implemented again.. someone is gonna be dumb enough to violate rules and ignore the NCAA.. just watch

Then why didn't Baylor get the death penalty when the coach, certain officials in the athletic department, and some of the players tried to cover up MURDER. Violating a few athletic and academic eligibility rules is not even in the same league with what happened at Baylor, and all they lost was a few scholarships.

[jstate83]

]That's a lot better than 668[/B]. But there's still lots of work to be done.


That means they violated 23 rule's 668 times.

Example:
If 3 player's that were not supposed to be playing went to a practice and workout's, that's 6 violations.
3 workout's each and 3 practices each.

Same with games.
If 4 player's played in a game they should not have played in, that's 4 violations and so on.
Multiply that by each sport involved also and that still don't take in the grade changing and other Administrative violations also.

23 is just the broken down number.
Bamma State has to submit all the names of the athelete's involved and then submit records of every practice, workout, and game they participated in for all those years.

[813Jag]

That means they violated 23 rule's 668 times.

Example:
If 3 player's that were not supposed to be playing went to a practice, workout's, that's 6 violations............3 workout's each and 3 practices each.

Same with games.
If 4 player's played in a game they should not have played in, that's 4 violations and so on.
Multiply that by each sport involved also and that still don't take in the grade changing and other Administrative violations also.

23 is just the broken down number.
Bamma State has to submit all the names of the athelete's involved and then submit records of every practice and game they participated in for all those years.
I read it wrong, well in that case it's even worse. I really hope they can get this worked out.

[jstate83]

I read it wrong, well in that case it's even worse. I really hope they can get this worked out.


It's a mess over there right now.
Everybody makes mistakes but it has been a mess over there for a while now with the Administration/Atheletic dept. xsmhx

[T-Dog]

Then why didn't Baylor get the death penalty when the coach, certain officials in the athletic department, and some of the players tried to cover up MURDER. Violating a few athletic and academic eligibility rules is not even in the same league with what happened at Baylor, and all they lost was a few scholarships.

Because the backlash and the players leaving and athletic department being overhauled was bad enough. The NCAA waving the 1-year sit-out period for transfers coming out of that situation and restricting them to only conference games for a year and the limited scholarships was bad enough as the new people who came in had to suffer those consequences.

[jcf5445]

Because the backlash and the players leaving and athletic department being overhauled was bad enough. The NCAA waving the 1-year sit-out period for transfers coming out of that situation and restricting them to only conference games for a year and the limited scholarships was bad enough as the new people who came in had to suffer those consequences.

Exactly. Those are the types of penalties we will see in the future as opposed to the death penalty.

[OB55]

Sounds like they should just let them play themselves to death.

[Syntax Error]

Does this mean that the Vikings can return Tavaris Jackson??? pleassse!
At least 400 of the violations must involve deceiving the NFL as to the abilities of Tarvaris Jacksonxsmhx smack --------->

[already123]

how many scholarship were lost?

[EmeryZach]

Seems like there were a lot of people at the school who just thought they would never get caught. Guess they didn't know that Myles Brand has been running a tight ship since he became NCAA President. I like what he is doing, he's really trying to clean up college athletics. There was some crazy stuff going on before he took control.

[dlsiouxfan]

I think you dramatically overestimate the ability and accomplishments of Myles Brand. His tenure as NCAA President is marked by inconsistency and favoritism towards the powerful big money athletic programs, while exercising his own form of "justice" against those he feels are weak enough to push around. If he had any guts he'd go after the myriad of violations occurring at BCS schools, but he won't because that would be too difficult politically for him.

[Hansel]

I think you dramatically overestimate the ability and accomplishments of Myles Brand. His tenure as NCAA President is marked by inconsistency and favoritism towards the powerful big money athletic programs, while exercising his own form of "justice" against those he feels are weak enough to push around. If he had any guts he'd go after the myriad of violations occurring at BCS schools, but he won't because that would be too difficult politically for him.

nickname issues aside- what is your problem with him?