2007 Final FCS Poll With APR Numbers

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I was looking through the APR rankings for several schools so I thought I might as well put them down for the final 2007 top 25. I hope I got them all correct. Some numbers surprised me, some didn't.

1. Appalachian State 938
2. Delaware 949
3. Southern Illinois 950
4. Richmond 976
5. Northern Iowa 935
6. UMass 925
7. James Madison 946
8. Eastern Washington 940
9. North Dakota State 954
10. Wofford 984
11. McNeese State 902
12. Montana 946
13. Eastern Kentucky 971
14. New Hampshire 975
15. Eastern Illinois 941
16. Delaware State 901
17. Youngstown State 931
18. Georgia Southern 905
19. Fordham 942
20. Harvard 983
21. Yale 991
22. South Dakota State 945
23. Elon 953
24. Grambling 888
25. Dayton 977

Here's the link to the data.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/home?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/Academics+and+Athletes/Education+and+Research/Academic+Reform/APR/2006-07_School_APR_Data_J5lt9A.html

[Dane96]

Looks good. I will give BIG UPS to Dayton. Though they don't have the highest score, that team carries a shat-load of players and that number in correlation to the high numbers is impressive.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Thanks for the data. What's most interesting is that there is absolutely no 1:1 relationship between APR and competitiveness. Only two out of the top 25 are below 925, for example, and six are above 975.

[JackTwice]

What number/area does a team have to hit to be in danger of penalties?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

What number/area does a team have to hit to be in danger of penalties?

From what I read it looks like it's down around the 900 number but it also depends on what the general student body is doing as far as grades. I could be wrong though I just started learning about it this afternoon from some of the guys on the Bobcat thread. It looks like GOKATS, and CrazyCat have a pretty good handle on it and I would bet that Lehigh FN, and Dane96 also have a pretty good understanding of it as well knowing those guys.

[Dane96]

I believe the number is 925. You lose a ride after that. It is a really complicated number. You can take voluntary hits, however, if you think you may be penalized.

Honestly, Husky Alum really understands it better than I can explain it.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I believe the number is 925. You lose a ride after that. It is a really complicated number. You can take voluntary hits, however, if you think you may be penalized.

Honestly, Husky Alum really understands it better than I can explain it.

I hope this thread catches some more eyes and there is some more discussion on it because I'm feeling kinda lazy and would like to learn more about it without having to hit a bunch of websites to figure it all out.

[Big Al]

Only two out of the top 25 are below 925, for example, and six are above 975.

I count four below 925 and five above 975.

[Tribe4SF]

Considering that a 925 equates to about a 60% graduation rate, the schools that fall well below that number are clearly doing a poor job of educating their student athletes. The specific parameters for losing scholarships are unclear to me, but it would appear that Grambling, Delaware State, McNeese and Georgia Southern are all at risk of having that happen. I know that Hampton University has lost a scholarship in both their men's basketball, and indoor track programs with similar scores. I think the sanctions come into play when the problem persists over multiple years.

[Tribe4SF]

From the explanations at ncaa.org, McNeese, Grambling and Delaware State do not face sanctions because the teams academic performance exceeds that of the regular student body. Georgia Southern would appear to be at risk.

[WrenFGun]

Good for UNH! 975!

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

Overall, it shows that FCS is truly about scholar athletes, and not just a farm system for the NFL.

The lack of correlation between success and APR is encouraging to say the least.

[ElonPride]

The real top 10 (of the final top 25) xsmiley_wix

1. Yale (991)
2. Wofford (984)
3. Harvard (983)
4. Dayton (977)
5. Richmond (976)
6. UNH (975)
7. EKU (971)
8. NDSU (954)
9. Elon (953)
10. Southern Ill (950)

[McTailGator]

From what I read it looks like it's down around the 900 number but it also depends on what the general student body is doing as far as grades. I could be wrong though I just started learning about it this afternoon from some of the guys on the Bobcat thread. It looks like GOKATS, and CrazyCat have a pretty good handle on it and I would bet that Lehigh FN, and Dane96 also have a pretty good understanding of it as well knowing those guys.


According to the NCAA website, you are correct.

Penalties only kick in if the APR is below a certain level with a consideration given to the grades of the entire student body.

[APPALACHIANstate]

The real top 10 (of the final top 25) xsmiley_wix

1. Yale (991)
2. Wofford (984)
3. Harvard (983)
4. Dayton (977)
5. Richmond (976)
6. UNH (975)
7. EKU (971)
8. NDSU (954)
9. Elon (953)
10. Southern Ill (950)

AKA, the schools with no hotties...

[McTailGator]

Considering that a 925 equates to about a 60% graduation rate, the schools that fall well below that number are clearly doing a poor job of educating their student athletes. The specific parameters for losing scholarships are unclear to me, but it would appear that Grambling, Delaware State, McNeese and Georgia Southern are all at risk of having that happen. I know that Hampton University has lost a scholarship in both their men's basketball, and indoor track programs with similar scores. I think the sanctions come into play when the problem persists over multiple years.





The APR considered the performance of the entire school. You can not look at these APR's and comrare them to each other unless you factor in the entire student bodies of each of the schools.

And that would be a very boring job! xrotatehx

McNeese placed more student atheltes, both in Football and ALL sports, on the SLC Commish Honor Roll list than any other SLC school in the fall last year.


http://www.southland.org/pdf3/103656.pdf?ATCLID=1366192&SPSID=90002&SPID=10806&temp_site=NO&DB_OEM_ID=18400

[crusader11]

AKA, the schools with no hotties...

You ever been to Elon, Wofford or Richmond?

[ElonPride]

AKA, the schools with no hotties...

AKA.....the schools with big signs that say "no hillbillies allowed." :D

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Overall, it shows that FCS is truly about scholar athletes, and not just a farm system for the NFL.

The lack of correlation between success and APR is encouraging to say the least.

That is spot on what I was thinking when I was looking at the data and decided to put it together for a thread. A lot of great teams in there with all of them doing what they need to do to get their students out in the world with good educations.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

AKA.....the schools with big signs that say "no hillbillies allowed." :D

Well I hope you are using an auditory warning on the signs because I don't think the written word is gonna do any good.

[Hoyadestroya85]

here's the full list.. (including FBS schools)
http://www.indystar.com/assets/pdf/BG10777956.PDF

[JackTwice]

Initially, when the NCAA instituted this, I thought this would put the clamps down on the football and basketball factory major conference schools. Amazingly enough some of these schools ranked fairly high and were nowhere near having APR issues. I suppose in the end they can benefit because they can hire as many "academic counselors" as necessary to keep their athletes out of trouble.

[terrierbob]

Savannah State has systemic problems. Div. II needed over there.

[terrierbob]

Vanderbilt's and Chapel Hill's rankings are surprising. Guess it's big conference/booster pressure.

[AshevilleApp]

Vanderbilt's and Chapel Hill's rankings are surprising. Guess it's big conference/booster pressure.


Wouldn't want to tarnish that uppity squeaky-clean carolina-blue image!