McNeese to play Southern.........FINALLY

[McNeeseState311]

http://mcneesesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/040208aad.html

[Retro]

It's a day late for April Fools!xnonox

[McTailGator]

http://mcneesesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/040208aad.html


Yea, like we've heard that before.

I will believe it when they kick off.

xrulesx

[Jag4Life]

I'm glad they will so you folks can stop b*tching.

[TexasTerror]

I'm surprised Southern is willing to have it as a "makeup" game without McNeese having to return to Baton Rouge...

The game makes plenty of sense for both programs...

McNeese 2010
9-11...at Missouri
9-18...SOUTHERN

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

I'm surprised Southern is willing to have it as a "makeup" game without McNeese having to return to Baton Rouge...

The game makes plenty of sense for both programs...

McNeese 2010
9-11...at Missouri
9-18...SOUTHERN
No it doesn't, atleast not for SU. SU fans don't give a damn about a McNeese State. I hope the crybabies will stop crying now.

[mikebigg]

I recall a month of so back that BGJag posted that the two schools were working on getting the game done. When we think back, the adm at McNeese was awfully calm about the game being "postponed". I guess they knew more than the rest of us that it was indeed "postponed" but would one day be played. Kudos to the two schools for working it out and not being "at each other" all this time. xthumbsupx

[McNeeserocket]

I recall a month of so back that BGJag posted that the two schools were working on getting the game done. When we think back, the adm at McNeese was awfully calm about the game being "postponed". I guess they knew more than the rest of us that it was indeed "postponed" but would one day be played. Kudos to the two schools for working it out and not being "at each other" all this time. xthumbsupx

You know Mike; you have to be one of the classiest fans on this forum. I have always enjoyed reading your posts (and even corresponding with you on occasion by private email). I appreciate your honest and respectful view on how things are and should be.

You and I know that most fans of McNeese and Southern are not representative of the ones who constantly berated each other's school when this game fell through in Sept. of 2005. Both Administrations kept the lines of communication open and continued to work toward making the game happen. I am appreciative of the effort made by both schools' administrations and football programs.

Now Mike, if McNeese and Grambling could resume their rivalry with another series or two it will a good day - year - decade - century - etc for Louisiana and football fans!

[813Jag]

I guess I'm one of those minority Jaguar fans. I think games like this can only help your program. Our teams were better when we played playoff caliber teams. That series we had with Northwestern made our team have to rise to another level.

I know it's bad blood between fans but hopefully this game can be played so we both can do what we do best. And that's tailgate.

[Tribe4SF]

It still amazes me that the HBCUs and other in-state schools have so much trouble getting together. Up here in Virginia, it seems only my Tribe is willing to work with HU and Norfolk State, while Richmond and JMU never seem to get it together. These games are logical, and from our experience generate alot of fan enthusiasm. With Southland teams crying about finding good OOC games, matchups like this should be happening every year.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

It still amazes me that the HBCUs and other in-state schools have so much trouble getting together. Up here in Virginia, it seems only my Tribe is willing to work with HU and Norfolk State, while Richmond and JMU never seem to get it together. These games are logical, and from our experience generate alot of fan enthusiasm. With Southland teams crying about finding good OOC games, matchups like this should be happening every year.

SU has more attractive rivals(Famu, Tenn. St, etc, etc), that we can play besides Southland Schools.

[slostang]

You know Mike; you have to be one of the classiest fans on this forum. I have always enjoyed reading your posts (and even corresponding with you on occasion by private email). I appreciate your honest and respectful view on how things are and should be.

You and I know that most fans of McNeese and Southern are not representative of the ones who constantly berated each other's school when this game fell through in Sept. of 2005. Both Administrations kept the lines of communication open and continued to work toward making the game happen. I am appreciative of the effort made by both schools' administrations and football programs.

Now Mike, if McNeese and Grambling could resume their rivalry with another series or two it will a good day - year - decade - century - etc for Louisiana and football fans!

Great post. xthumbsupx

[Jag4Life]

No it doesn't, atleast not for SU. SU fans don't give a damn about a McNeese State. I hope the crybabies will stop crying now.

You got that right.

[Jag4Life]

SU has more attractive rivals(Famu, Tenn. St, etc, etc), that we can play besides Southland Schools.

Thank ya.

[ATrain]

It still amazes me that the HBCUs and other in-state schools have so much trouble getting together. Up here in Virginia, it seems only my Tribe is willing to work with HU and Norfolk State, while Richmond and JMU never seem to get it together. These games are logical, and from our experience generate alot of fan enthusiasm. With Southland teams crying about finding good OOC games, matchups like this should be happening every year.

Liberty has done home-and-homes with Norfolk St. in the past...and I think VMI too.

[JohnStOnge]

Well, I have no problem saying I'm looking forward to it. Wish it was next year instead of Southern Virginia. But it'll be a good atmosphere.

If I'm in town this Saturday morning I'll have to listen to the Jaguar Journal and see what Carlos has to say about it.

[TexasTerror]

It still amazes me that the HBCUs and other in-state schools have so much trouble getting together. Up here in Virginia, it seems only my Tribe is willing to work with HU and Norfolk State, while Richmond and JMU never seem to get it together. These games are logical, and from our experience generate alot of fan enthusiasm. With Southland teams crying about finding good OOC games, matchups like this should be happening every year.

I agree -- wish we saw more of these match-ups. Unfortunately, the MEAC has a tough schedule to work with as far as allowing cushion to add attractive match-ups (though the schools that are interested in the playoffs are making it happen).

The SWAC on the other hand realizes it needs these games to help fill their slate. We're finally seeing PVA&M vs SHSU and I am sure when Texas Southern gets that "winning mentality", they'll continue to play some more SLC (they've had McN and San Marcos as of late). Problem is with TxSo is that they can not compete with these schools as of now and PVA&M is finally getting to that point, so it's taken awhile for consistent play there.


SU has more attractive rivals(Famu, Tenn. St, etc, etc), that we can play besides Southland Schools.

Also called "better chances to win"...

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Also called "better chances to win"...B.S. . I don't know about the SLC, but in the Swac, especially Southern University, Football is a buisness. If the consumer doesn't want something, why force it on them.

[ngineer]

Great to see this game being scheduled. xthumbsupx

[TexasTerror]

B.S. . I don't know about the SLC, but in the Swac, especially Southern University, Football is a buisness. If the consumer doesn't want something, why force it on them.

You are right, football is a business in the SWAC. It's more about the money than it is about the success of the program as the $$$ can come without success.

I've just never been a big fan of the premium placed on making money as the SWAC goes about it as I do not feel that the money generated takes care of the other sports or they would be able to succeed at a much higher level than they do.

I'm glad that Southern has good business sense and is fulfilling the contract for the return game to Lake Charles. It keeps a relationship intact, it is cheap (considering Southern can bus to Lake Charles pretty easily) and perhaps, it can improve the on the field product by playing perhaps the best opponent Southern will see all year, which can't be bad, regardless if on the field success translates to money or not...

[BgJag]

Now Mike, if McNeese and Grambling could resume their rivalry with another series or two it will a good day - year - decade - century - etc for Louisiana and football fans!

ask Mike what his coach said about playing McNeese? xwhistlex

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

You are right, football is a business in the SWAC. It's more about the money than it is about the success of the program as the $$$ can come without success.

I've just never been a big fan of the premium placed on making money as the SWAC goes about it as I do not feel that the money generated takes care of the other sports or they would be able to succeed at a much higher level than they do.

I'm glad that Southern has good business sense and is fulfilling the contract for the return game to Lake Charles. It keeps a relationship intact, it is cheap (considering Southern can bus to Lake Charles pretty easily) and perhaps, it can improve the on the field product by playing perhaps the best opponent Southern will see all year, which can't be bad, regardless if on the field success translates to money or not...

The money goes into the general fund. Things work a little differently in the SWAC. McNeese wont be close to SU's best opponent.

[TexasTerror]

The money goes into the general fund. Things work a little differently in the SWAC. McNeese wont be close to SU's best opponent.

Again, you prove me wrong...Southern is not close to being the Jaguars' best opponent considering they will not bring in the $$$ that other games on the schedule will...

Let me re-word my remark. Who will be the toughest opponent on the field for Southern...? McNeese is better than each team in the SWAC (based on the last few years and the expected talent this year). You guys playing an FBS school? That may be a reasonable argument unless you are playing ULL, a team McNeese beat last year...xnodx

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Again, you prove me wrong...Southern is not close to being the Jaguars' best opponent considering they will not bring in the $$$ that other games on the schedule will...

Let me re-word my remark. Who will be the toughest opponent on the field for Southern...? McNeese is better than each team in the SWAC (based on the last few years and the expected talent this year). You guys playing an FBS school? That may be a reasonable argument unless you are playing ULL, a team McNeese beat last year...xnodx

Grams better, J-States better, Famu's better, etc, etc, etc,

[McNeese75]

The money goes into the general fund. Things work a little differently in the SWAC. McNeese wont be close to SU's best opponent.

xrolleyesx Yeah right.

This is really going to be fun xwhistlex

[McNeese75]

Grams better, J-States better, Famu's better, etc, etc, etc,

Better than who??? Southern? I agree with that xnodx

[TexasTerror]

Grams better, J-States better, Famu's better, etc, etc, etc,

How are any of those teams better? Got any facts or figures?

Or Is it because you guys are evenly matched that Southern may be able to work on pressure situations, the two-minute drill and such, that they wouldn't when trailing the Pokes by 20?

McNeese is the best FCS program in the state of Louisiana and leap years ahead of most of the SWAC and truly ahead of Grambling, Southern, etc. Even in their "lean year", they still laid waste to their SWAC foe without too many hiccups...

McNeese is only going to get better. Matt Viator is a solid coach and this team tends to reload more so than drop below the "Arkansas Pine-Bluffs" of the world...

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Better than who??? Southern?

McNeese. Pv's better, Tsu's better, Valley's better, Pine Bluff's better.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

How are any of those teams better? Got any facts or figures?

Or Is it because you guys are evenly matched that Southern may be able to work on pressure situations, the two-minute drill and such, that they wouldn't when trailing the Pokes by 20?

McNeese is the best FCS program in the state of Louisiana and leap years ahead of most of the SWAC and truly ahead of Grambling, Southern, etc. Even in their "lean year", they still laid waste to their SWAC foe without too many hiccups...

McNeese is only going to get better. Matt Viator is a solid coach and this team tends to reload more so than drop below the "Arkansas Pine-Bluffs" of the world...I believe what I believe, you can believe what you believe. Pine Bluff currently has more NFL players than McNeese.

[TexasTerror]

McNeese. Pv's better, Tsu's better, Valley's better, Pine Bluff's better.

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

SUperior lack of information to prove a point. xnonono2x


I believe what I believe, you can believe what you believe. Pine Bluff currently has more NFL players than McNeese.

Well, you must not believe facts. The fact is the SLC is a tougher league and has better teams than the SWAC, proven time and time again. Year after year. Even I am standing by McNeese and can realize they are a better team than my own and I'm a very loyal SHSU fan...

Having more NFL players does not translate to having a team that can compete at the highest level of FCS football. We've seen that time and time again...not just in the SWAC, but elsewhere.

Quick question...is Texas Southern better than McNeese? xlolx

Wait, don't answer that...

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

SUperior lack of information to prove a point. xnonono2x

"Its one thing to be thought of as a fool but it is another to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Dr. Issac Greggs. xlolx

[TexasTerror]

"Its one thing to be thought of as a fool but it is another to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Dr. Issac Greggs. xlolx

"Why does Rice play Texas in football? Not because it is easy, but because it is hard." -- President John F Kennedy

Southern is playing McNeese, not because it is easy, but because it is hard and will be the toughest foe they face all year -- and they'll have the GPI and the post-season appearance to prove it.

Grambling will be the best for Southern's bottom line though...xthumbsupx

As Voltaire said, "When it's a question of money, everybody is of the same religion." xwhistlex

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

"Why does Rice play Texas in football? Not because it is easy, but because it is hard." -- President John F Kennedy

Southern is playing McNeese, not because it is easy, but because it is hard and will be the toughest foe they face all year -- and they'll have the GPI and the post-season appearance to prove it.

Grambling will be the best for Southern's bottom line though...xthumbsupx

As Voltaire said, "When it's a question of money, everybody is of the same religion." xwhistlex
Who says the GPI is Law. I don't agree with it or SUpport it.

[McNeese75]

McNeese. Pv's better, Tsu's better, Valley's better, Pine Bluff's better.


xlolx Pay attention now, we are talking football here not BAND. I would probably concede on the band thing but your living a pipe dream with a statement like that about comparisons in football.

[McNeese72]

xlolx Pay attention now, we are talking football here not BAND. I would probably concede on the band thing but your living a pipe dream with a statement like that about comparisons in football.

Reading this string, I just had a thought. These Southern guys will fit right in with the ULL fans when they play them. They are both a little delusional about the strength of their football programs. xnodx


Doc

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Reading this string, I just had a thought. These Southern guys will fit right in with the ULL fans when they play them. They are both a little delusional about the strength of their football programs. xnodx


Doc

Really. Where's McNeese. Where's the SLC. Once again.

Its one thing to be thought of as a fool but it is another to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Dr. Issac Greggs.
College football all time rankings.
Rank
Team
Total

Points
Win. Pct.

Points
Schedule

Points
Nat. Champs

Points
Big 4 Bowl

Points

1
Notre Dame (IN)
2332.48
738.20
759.28
600.00
235.00

2
Alabama
2314.33
706.73
747.60
550.00
310.00

3
Southern California
2242.50
703.34
694.16
500.00
345.00

4
Michigan
2156.92
743.10
798.82
350.00
265.00

5
Oklahoma
2045.97
712.07
678.90
350.00
305.00

6
Texas
1955.52
713.55
751.96
200.00
290.00

7
Ohio St.
1950.08
714.47
705.61
250.00
280.00

8
Nebraska
1935.36
703.19
692.17
250.00
290.00

9
Tennessee
1813.52
697.12
686.41
200.00
230.00

10
Louisiana St.
1810.85
640.88
744.97
150.00
275.00

11
Georgia
1726.15
644.91
776.24
100.00
205.00

12
Georgia Tech
1712.82
593.78
754.04
200.00
165.00

13
Princeton (NJ)
1682.60
678.75
653.85
350.00
0.00

14
Miami (FL)
1661.30
635.47
545.83
250.00
230.00

15
Penn St.
1659.91
687.71
662.20
100.00
210.00

16
Minnesota
1619.94
578.81
716.13
300.00
25.00

17
Pittsburgh (PA)
1602.85
575.19
622.65
300.00
105.00

18
Yale (CT)
1600.80
711.21
639.59
250.00
0.00

19
Harvard (MA)
1574.13
671.89
587.24
300.00
15.00

20
Florida
1564.59
623.08
691.52
100.00
150.00

21
Auburn (AL)
1529.61
631.93
752.68
50.00
95.00

22
Illinois
1529.09
521.60
732.48
200.00
75.00

23
Texas A&M
1521.47
601.95
694.52
100.00
125.00

24
Washington
1491.97
622.59
629.38
50.00
190.00

25
Florida St.
1465.60
670.32
495.27
100.00
200.00

26
Arkansas
1458.70
591.27
647.43
50.00
170.00

27
Michigan St.
1435.93
586.85
634.08
150.00
65.00

28
UCLA
1433.50
591.65
631.85
50.00
160.00

29
Pennsylvania
1415.47
627.53
677.95
100.00
10.00

30
California
1414.06
564.99
609.07
150.00
90.00

31
Mississippi
1391.66
562.73
638.93
50.00
140.00

32
Stanford (CA)
1376.90
563.30
618.60
50.00
145.00

33
Army (NY)
1360.50
585.85
574.65
200.00
0.00

34
Wisconsin
1344.96
563.74
706.22
0.00
75.00

35
Iowa
1325.87
524.43
731.44
0.00
70.00

36
Clemson (SC)
1304.76
590.78
598.98
50.00
65.00

37
Texas Christian
1301.03
516.20
624.82
50.00
110.00

38
Syracuse (NY)
1298.96
588.06
560.89
50.00
100.00

39
Cornell (NY)
1291.07
573.38
617.68
100.00
0.00

40
Purdue (IN)
1278.98
539.80
714.18
0.00
25.00

41
Missouri
1272.89
539.03
653.87
0.00
80.00

42
Colorado
1262.16
607.72
499.44
50.00
105.00

43
Navy (MD)
1255.07
547.78
647.29
0.00
60.00

44
North Carolina
1227.79
565.78
632.01
0.00
30.00

45
Dartmouth (NH)
1227.33
606.01
571.32
50.00
0.00

46
Southern Methodist (TX)
1215.86
485.39
620.47
50.00
60.00

47
Baylor (TX)
1215.53
500.93
669.60
0.00
45.00

48
Northwestern (IL)
1207.81
432.17
750.64
0.00
25.00

49
Vanderbilt (TN)
1207.74
502.64
705.10
0.00
0.00

50
Maryland
1205.28
531.63
518.65
100.00
55.00

51
Oregon
1189.27
538.83
580.44
0.00
70.00

52
Rice (TX)
1178.06
439.47
658.59
0.00
80.00

53
Mississippi St.
1176.07
482.21
668.86
0.00
25.00

54
Tulane (LA)
1175.20
466.05
674.15
0.00
35.00

55
Kansas
1171.80
506.08
630.73
0.00
35.00

56
Duke (NC)
1169.36
495.68
598.69
0.00
75.00

57
Kentucky
1164.86
503.06
621.79
0.00
40.00

58
Indiana
1163.35
426.44
726.90
0.00
10.00

59
Washington St.
1124.09
508.90
570.19
0.00
45.00

60
Oregon St.
1116.93
480.49
586.43
0.00
50.00

61
West Virginia
1108.06
596.44
451.62
0.00
60.00

62
Virginia Tech
1082.76
601.79
425.96
0.00
55.00

63
Virginia
1080.72
533.39
537.33
0.00
10.00

64
Brown (RI)
1079.18
511.96
557.22
0.00
10.00

65
South Carolina
1075.52
499.08
576.43
0.00
0.00

66
Boston College (MA)
1072.66
586.17
436.49
0.00
50.00

67
Texas Tech
1071.84
557.14
504.69
0.00
10.00

68
Oklahoma St.
1058.91
490.48
538.44
0.00
30.00

69
North Carolina St.
1049.94
505.04
544.90
0.00
0.00

70
Houston (TX)
1029.83
522.09
457.74
0.00
50.00

71
Iowa St.
1028.14
459.21
568.92
0.00
0.00

72
Colgate (NY)
1025.43
565.54
459.89
0.00
0.00

73
Kansas St.
1019.79
433.27
561.52
0.00
25.00

74
Columbia (NY)
1011.36
381.36
615.01
0.00
15.00

75
Arizona St.
971.77
614.78
331.99
0.00
25.00

76
Arizona
965.76
572.09
378.67
0.00
15.00

77
Rutgers (NJ)
964.69
502.88
461.81
0.00
0.00

78
Holy Cross (MA)
961.17
541.00
410.17
0.00
10.00

79
Wake Forest (NC)
946.02
409.58
526.43
0.00
10.00

80
Lafayette (PA)
930.97
540.15
390.82
0.00
0.00

81
Air Force (CO)
926.04
540.75
365.29
0.00
20.00

82
Lehigh (PA)
921.99
528.28
378.71
15.00
0.00

83
Grambling St. (LA)
907.39
688.45
38.94
180.00
0.00
84
Tulsa (OK)
900.88
556.38
309.50
0.00
35.00

85
Florida A&M
896.01
669.89
46.11
180.00
0.00
86
Southern Mississippi
892.63
595.47
267.16
30.00
0.00

87
Utah
874.31
583.41
275.89
0.00
15.00

88
Brigham Young (UT)
846.26
565.42
230.85
50.00
0.00

89
Bucknell (PA)
845.40
513.29
317.11
0.00
15.00

90
Southern (LA)
801.27
629.98
51.30
120.00
0.00
91
Delaware
796.19
606.02
115.17
75.00
0.00

92
Furman (SC)
791.50
570.14
206.36
15.00
0.00

93
Villanova (PA)
783.09
550.15
232.94
0.00
0.00

94
Temple (PA)
765.29
431.37
323.92
0.00
10.00

95
San Diego St. (CA)
764.56
558.76
160.80
45.00
0.00

96
Memphis (TN)
762.39
491.14
271.25
0.00
0.00

97
Georgia Southern
760.88
621.00
49.88
90.00
0.00

98
Fordham (NY)
759.10
518.12
215.98
0.00
25.00

99
Georgetown (DC)
754.63
569.44
175.18
0.00
10.00

100
Miami (OH)
753.36
629.11
124.25
0.00
0.00

101
William & Mary (VA)
750.21
503.26
246.95
0.00
0.00

102
Cincinnati (OH)
746.23
492.37
253.86
0.00
0.00

103
Louisville (KY)
746.20
511.59
219.62
0.00
15.00

104
Louisiana Tech
744.34
569.67
144.66
30.00
0.00

105
Hawaii
744.28
571.43
162.85
0.00
10.00

106
Boise St. (ID)
742.05
656.00
56.05
15.00
15.00

107
San Jose St. (CA)
727.72
509.44
218.28
0.00
0.00

108
Colorado St.
726.96
480.02
246.94
0.00
0.00

109
Wyoming
726.28
487.98
228.30
0.00
10.00

110
Appalachian St. (NC)
723.42
629.76
63.66
30.00
0.00

111
East Carolina (NC)
720.03
517.12
202.91
0.00
0.00

112
Fresno St. (CA)
717.53
592.15
125.38
0.00
0.00

113
Dayton (OH)
716.49
633.23
53.26
30.00
0.00

114
Virginia Military Institute
707.15
428.05
279.10
0.00
0.00

115
North Texas
698.16
522.33
175.83
0.00
0.00

116
Utah St.
696.02
501.02
195.00
0.00
0.00

117
Bowling Green (OH)
687.60
595.74
76.86
15.00
0.00

118
Idaho
687.51
447.75
239.76
0.00
0.00

119
Youngstown St. (OH)
685.78
605.91
19.88
60.00
0.00

120
Drake (IA)
684.31
533.71
150.59
0.00
0.00

121
Citadel (SC)
679.41
474.82
204.59
0.00
0.00

122
Tennessee-Chattanooga
679.18
498.98
180.20
0.00
0.00

123
New Mexico
674.49
469.42
205.07
0.00
0.00

124
Montana
669.24
522.27
116.98
30.00
0.00

125
Central Michigan
667.00
605.43
46.57
15.00
0.00


http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Take that TT. xlolx xlolx

[McNeese75]

xsmhx Cupcakes playing cupcakes

And your proud of it xlolx

xcoffeex

Your going to get your azz handed to you in Lafayette and again when you come to LC. Get ready!!!!

(and down deep inside, YOU KNOW IT!!)

[Big Dawg]

Also called "better chances to win"...


"better chances to win"

DO you know that FAMU and SU have been playing each other 50+ years...wtf should SU or FAMU throw that game away to accomadate some other schools???

Tennessee State also has a very rich history in football.

I'm glad SU and McNeese are playing but hold your horses.

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

xsmhx Cupcakes playing cupcakes

And your proud of it xlolx

xcoffeex

Your going to get your azz handed to you in Lafayette and again when you come to LC. Get ready!!!!

(and down deep inside, YOU KNOW IT!!)


No offense.....but Most Southern Fans (ok Most may be a tad too much)....HALF of the Jaguar Nation (or whatever they call themselves these days) could care less if McNeese wins this game....

Pressure is on McNeese to win this upcoming game......Not Southern....As losing this game could harm the Pokes playoff chances (If they don't win the Southland again that is).....As for Southern...it's just another game to them....

For the record though....I'm glad the game will finally be played so certain fans (we know who they are) can stop whining about it.....Seriously....You don't see ASU fans whining to NSU about not returning a game in Boone, NC do you???

But then again....3 NC to 0 in there favor and an upset of you-know-who kinda eases the pain a bit for ASU (Even though we've never lost to the Mountaineers).....

Why can't we be that lucky xnonono2x .

[813Jag]

McNeese. Pv's better, Tsu's better, Valley's better, Pine Bluff's better.
I'm not trying to start an arguement with another Jag but there's noway any of those teams are better than McNeese in no way shape or form.

[JohnStOnge]

Really. Where's McNeese. Where's the SLC. ... http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php

I guess you can take those rankings as being a reasonable representation of relative likely strength of opponents in 2010 if you really believe Grambling and Florida A&M would be tougher opponents than Louisville, Boise State, Brigham Young, Southern Mississippi, and East Carolina.

I know you really know better, though. You're just jerking chains; putting this thread in danger of transfer to the dreaded Smack forum.

[McNeese72]

I guess you can take those rankings as being a reasonable representation of relative likely strength of opponents in 2010 if you really believe Grambling and Florida A&M would be tougher opponents than Louisville, Boise State, Brigham Young, Southern Mississippi, and East Carolina.

I know you really know better, though. You're just jerking chains; putting this thread in danger of transfer to the dreaded Smack forum.

I guess I should have qualified my statement to say ".......about the present day strengths of their football programs". I should have known they would bring out some stats probably going back to the beginning of time. Probably includes time before McNeese even had a football team or even existed.

Doc

[jstate83]

This argument get's funnier and funnier every time. xlolx
Carry on. :D

[McNeese72]

Hey, checking out the all time rankings, what's with the National Championship points that Grambling and Southern have. Where'd they come from? Did they win Small College or Div II National Championships or something in the past? The only HBCU that I know that won a I-AA National Championship was Florida A&M winning the very first one in 1978??

Doc

[TexasTerror]

Hey, checking out the all time rankings, what's with the National Championship points that Grambling and Southern have. Where'd they come from? Did they win Small College or Div II National Championships or something in the past? The only HBCU that I know that won a I-AA National Championship was Florida A&M winning the very first one in 1978??

According to College Football Data Warehouse (the site he's pulling it from)...Southern is only on the list because of the HBCU National Championships for which they have nine. xwhistlex

[Big Dawg]

According to College Football Data Warehouse (the site he's pulling it from)...Southern is only on the list because of the HBCU National Championships for which they have nine. xwhistlex


Check the sig...

[TexasTerror]

I'm sure we're going to get into that argument about the "credibility" of HBCU national championships...I'll sit this one out, as we've been there and done that before...

Not sure which is more mythical as it stands right now, the HBCU or BCS championships...

[mikebigg]

ask Mike what his coach said about playing McNeese? xwhistlex

What did Coach Broadway say?xwhistlex

[McTailGator]

ask Mike what his coach said about playing McNeese? xwhistlex

He didn't want the @$$ kickin either ah?

[McTailGator]

McNeese wont be close to SU's best opponent.



We would be the best opponent you would see that is not a FBS team that is for damn certain.


Go back and look at the 2002 points we hung on Grambling, and then you will see what kind of score you will see in 2010, which is expected to be a great year based on our last 2 years of recruiting AND ABILITY TO KEEP PLAYERS IN SCHOOL (unlike southern).


You lost AT HOME to one of the worse and injured McNeese teams in our schools history. You wil NOT be playing a SWAC team in Lake Charles, or even the MSU 4-7 team of 2004.

PLUS YOU PISSED US OFF... AND WE WANT TO PUNISH YOUR SORRY @$$ES.

[McTailGator]

According to College Football Data Warehouse (the site he's pulling it from)...Southern is only on the list because of the HBCU National Championships for which they have nine. xwhistlex



IN THAT CASE...


McNeese is the 35 time Champions of all FCS teams that named COWBOY's.

xsmiley_wix

[3rd Coast Tiger]

According to College Football Data Warehouse (the site he's pulling it from)...Southern is only on the list because of the HBCU National Championships for which they have nine. xwhistlex

So you're discounting the many decades the NCAA, NAIA or any other association that started with a "N" didn't allow HBCUs to associate with them against Southern? xconfusedx

[TexasTerror]

So you're discounting the many decades the NCAA, NAIA or any other association that started with a "N" didn't allow HBCUs to associate with them against Southern? xconfusedx

I am discounting the argument which was put forth asking where McNeese was on said list...when Southern and Grambling were there...

[Big Dawg]

I'm sure we're going to get into that argument about the "credibility" of HBCU national championships...I'll sit this one out, as we've been there and done that before...

Not sure which is more mythical as it stands right now, the HBCU or BCS championships...

Look at the years in my post...

[TexasTerror]

Look at the years in my post...

1978 is the only one that matters to me...

The HBCU national championship is as mythical as the BCS title. It's not played for on the field of play. xrulesx

I understand that the HBCUs had their own championship when they were not allowed to compete, but nowadays since they were allowed on the playing field, 1978 is the only one that matters...it's actually played for on the field...

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Look at the years in my post...

They know there legit. All they have to do is look at the number of players HBCU's had drafted during the 60's,70's, 80's, and 90's. They know whats up.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

PLUS YOU PISSED US OFF... AND WE WANT TO PUNISH YOUR SORRY @$$ES.
Aint shat getting punished this way. The Jag nation will be in rare form trust that. Lock up the puppies. xlolx

[TexasTerror]

They know there legit. All they have to do is look at the number of players HBCU's had drafted during the 60's,70's, 80's, and 90's. They know whats up.

A Black College National Championship is a mythical title. It is not played for on the field. Yes, they are valid when those schools were not allowed to play NCAA football, but no -- they are not valid when stating Southern is better than McNeese, as you did...yes, you did. Read it yourself a few pages over...

As it relates to the NFL players drafted making it any more legit, "There's no I in team" -- does not matter how many individuals were drafted. The question is always going to be how your teams do on the field. McNeese has dominated the SWAC in the last two decades and it'd be hard to say that any SWAC team Southern faces is better than McNeese outside of where you care about most, in the wallet...

Prairie View A&M could have five players drafted next year, but if they were to lose to a Sam Houston State and a Nicholls State, does that make them better than the SLC? Of course not...

[Big Dawg]

A Black College National Championship is a mythical title. It is not played for on the field. Yes, they are valid when those schools were not allowed to play NCAA football, but no -- they are not valid when stating Southern is better than McNeese, as you did...yes, you did. Read it yourself a few pages over...






We played those on the field buddy...the best HBCU's went up against each other...teams that would have thrashed the big schools.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

We played those on the field buddy...the best HBCU's went up against each other...teams that would have thrashed the big schools.
They know it bra. They know. Some of these McNeese folks are xsmhx xsmhx . You know some of them were actually upset, because we didn't play the Saturday after Katrina. Half of SU's team was from New Orleans.

[Jag4Life]

I see that you dummies like to JUSTIFY YOUR D@MN IGNORANCE.

[Jag4Life]

He didn't want the @$$ kickin either ah?

I believe he would do the same thing a playoff team did to you guys last year. ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[GAD]

They know it bra. They know. Some of these McNeese folks are xsmhx xsmhx . You know some of them were actually upset, because we didn't play the Saturday after Katrina. Half of SU's team was from New Orleans.
Yeah, but it was gonna be the biggest game on there campus in a quarter of a century if not ever they finally had somthing to be excited about.

Man, Southern was coming to town!

[mikebigg]

To clear things up... it was Doug who commented that he didn't want to play McNeese, not our current coach. Doug said he preferred to play our traditional opponents. That was his perogative since at the time the coach pretty much made the schedule...that goes back to the Eddie Rob days. It had nothing to do with the score of the McNeese games we played... he just thought it was best for us to play ooc games against traditional (HBCU) opponents, D1A's (at the time), or non-state 1AA's.

As for Southern... they should have (and exercising it) the right to schedule and play whomever they feel is in there best interest. It's really not a matter of being afraid to play someone...there are other factors involved but it's difficult to understand when you're on the other side of the argument.

[TexasTerror]

We played those on the field buddy...the best HBCU's went up against each other...teams that would have thrashed the big schools.

Can you prove to me with facts that the "best HBCUs" played each other for the national title each year (up to the present, considering it is still awarded)?

Can you prove to me that it was and still is legitimately determined on the field?

Like the Texas Southern head basketball coaching search that lasted over a year, we'll be waiting awhile...

Until you do prove me wrong (and you will not), the HBCU National Championship is a mythical championship, similar to that of the BCS game...

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Like the Texas Southern head basketball coaching search that lasted over a year, we'll be waiting awhile...

.What about the McNeese AD search that lasted longer than 2 years. xcoolx

[BEAR]

One question. What is the modern day record between the two conferences head to head? xeyebrowx (seriously, most UCA fans don't know much about the other teams, except UAPB.)xreadx

[Big Dawg]

Can you prove to me with facts that the "best HBCUs" played each other for the national title each year (up to the present, considering it is still awarded)?

Can you prove to me that it was and still is legitimately determined on the field?

Like the Texas Southern head basketball coaching search that lasted over a year, we'll be waiting awhile...

Until you do prove me wrong (and you will not), the HBCU National Championship is a mythical championship, similar to that of the BCS game...

Whatever man...we still have 12 National Championship Banners...and nothing you can say or question will take that away.

[3rd Coast Tiger]

What about the McNeese AD search that lasted longer than 2 years. xcoolx

That's it! I'm filing restraining charges against that dude now. Texas Southern is brought up in every last thread he posts in!

Don't you have to set up the Rec Center you manage for badmiton before the junior high kids get there?

Our former coach gets fired in late July 2007; an interim coach is brought in late August 2007 who's contract expired March 31, 2008 and we had a coaching search for a year?

Dude, all this http://ai.pricegrabber.com/pi/0/91/46/9146460_125.jpg is unhealthy.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

That's it! I'm filing restraining charges against that dude now. Texas Southern is brought up in every last thread he posts in!

Don't you have to set up the Rec Center you manage for badmiton before the junior high kids get there?

Our former coach gets fired in late July 2007; an interim coach is brought in late August 2008 who's contract expired March 31, 2008 and we had a coaching search for a year?

Dude, all this http://ai.pricegrabber.com/pi/0/91/46/9146460_125.jpg is unhealthy.

xlolx

[TexasTerror]

Whatever man...we still have 12 National Championship Banners...and nothing you can say or question will take that away.

LSU has championship banners too...they don't mean much. A "mythical" national championship...they were not won on the field.

None of them are recognized by the NCAA like the ones at Appalachian State, the 1978 championship at Florida A&M and the others who have won since...but, hey -- whatever helps with recruiting.

Since we're going to go about promoting mythical titles, Sam Houston State has a few "FCS state championships" to our name -- we promote them every year in the final week of the regular season when we play Texas State - San Marcos. In fact, we've won nine of the last 20. One more than SFA who has eight...San Marcos State has two...and yes, we've actually played SFA, TxSt-SM and UNT (when they were around) on a yearly basis. Not sure how much any other FCS school in Texas matters, because we had the most wins against the Tx FCS schools in those years...and that's good enough.


Don't you have to set up the Rec Center you manage for badmiton before the junior high kids get there?

Rec Center? It's been awhile...

[McNeese75]

No offense.....but Most Southern Fans (ok Most may be a tad too much)....HALF of the Jaguar Nation (or whatever they call themselves these days) could care less if McNeese wins this game....

Pressure is on McNeese to win this upcoming game......Not Southern....As losing this game could harm the Pokes playoff chances (If they don't win the Southland again that is).....As for Southern...it's just another game to them....

For the record though....I'm glad the game will finally be played so certain fans (we know who they are) can stop whining about it.....Seriously....You don't see ASU fans whining to NSU about not returning a game in Boone, NC do you???

But then again....3 NC to 0 in there favor and an upset of you-know-who kinda eases the pain a bit for ASU (Even though we've never lost to the Mountaineers).....

Why can't we be that lucky xnonono2x .

Exactly!!xthumbsupx Southern is in the Band business and it is all about the money. They could care less about football against anyone but their historical opponents and it shows.

On the other hand, McNeese, Northwestern State, Montana, Northern Iowa, ASU, ... and most if not all of the other FCS teams strap it up every week and go to war to WIN xnodx

As far as the pressure to beat Southern in 2010 xlolx I think we can handle it. There is more pressure on playing the Demons every year than an occasional outcoached Jag team.

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Exactly!!xthumbsupx Southern is in the Band business and it is all about the money. They could care less about football against anyone but their historical opponents and it shows.

On the other hand, McNeese, Northwestern State, Montana, Northern Iowa, ASU, ... and most if not all of the other FCS teams strap it up every week and go to war to WIN xnodx

As far as the pressure to beat Southern in 2010 xlolx I think we can handle it. There is more pressure on playing the Demons every year than an occasional outcoached Jag team.

"Its one thing to be thought of as a fool but it is another to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Dr. Issac Greggs .xsmhx

[McNeese_beat]

B.S. . I don't know about the SLC, but in the Swac, especially Southern University, Football is a buisness. If the consumer doesn't want something, why force it on them.

And the "business" side says that getting your heads handed to you by a state rival that's supposed to be your peer is not good for business...so I can understand the reluctance.

But to grow past where you are— and regardless of the classic crowds, HBCUs have not transcended the mainstream of the FCS in terms of budget or competitive success in all sports — in my opinion, the HBCUs have to open themselves up to competing with the best in what is the mainstream of their level. In my opinion, the best in the SWAC and the MEACs should be pursuing the App States, McNeeses, Georgia Southerns, etc., to either identify a bar that must be reached or to prove to recruits, fans, etc, that your product is at that level.

Otherwise, your programs will be strictly defined by the traditions which are great, but very limiting as you look into a future.


Just myxtwocentsx

[BgJag]

And the "business" side says that getting your heads handed to you by a state rival that's supposed to be your peer is not good for business...so I can understand the reluctance.



you are not a rival. It's just another game to fill the schedule and to makeup the 2005 game. Just my 2 cents.

[Big Dawg]

LSU has championship banners too...they don't mean much. A "mythical" national championship...they were not won on the field.

None of them are recognized by the NCAA like the ones at Appalachian State, the 1978 championship at Florida A&M and the others who have won since...but, hey -- whatever helps with recruiting.

Since we're going to go about promoting mythical titles, Sam Houston State has a few "FCS state championships" to our name -- we promote them every year in the final week of the regular season when we play Texas State - San Marcos. In fact, we've won nine of the last 20. One more than SFA who has eight...San Marcos State has two...and yes, we've actually played SFA, TxSt-SM and UNT (when they were around) on a yearly basis. Not sure how much any other FCS school in Texas matters, because we had the most wins against the Tx FCS schools in those years...and that's good enough.



Rec Center? It's been awhile...

Yeah I kinda stopped giving a d*mn a few hours ago...so hate on

[TexasTerror]

you are not a rival. It's just another game to fill the schedule and to makeup the 2005 game. Just my 2 cents.

Another loss on the schedule for Southern...that's what it is.

How'd Southern end up with a losing record all-time against Nicholls? That program has never really not been in the dumps and it seems, even in the HBCU "National" Championship seasons, Nicholls has beaten them...xnodx

[813Jag]

Another loss on the schedule for Southern...that's what it is.

How'd Southern end up with a losing record all-time against Nicholls? That program has never really not been in the dumps and it seems, even in the HBCU "National" Championship seasons, Nicholls has beaten them...xnodx
That's easy because everybody has a team that has their number. I'm sure Southern is the only team to lose to a bad team during a good season.

[Jaguar79]

You can not be my rival if I don't care about you ..... like most of the state doesn't.

I'm just happy the whining can stop ..... I have never heard grown men sound like little girls so much in my life ..... hopefully The Advocate can come and give you a little coverage so that when you hit playoffs again and get trounced AGAIN, your fans can say, "Yeah, but remember how full the Hole was for Southern .... man that was magical."

And I know what you gonna say ..... " we don't care about that." Well, the last three years, you have a funny way of showing it. xsmhx

[JohnStOnge]

You can not be my rival if I don't care about you ..... like most of the state doesn't.

McNeese is a recruiting rival, unless your coaching staff just decides not to pursue anybody McNeese's coaching staff is pursuing. That is the level you recruit against and it's a program with a recruiting zone that overlaps yours. Whether most in the State "care" about McNeese or not, most people who follow college football in the State are familiar with the school. And I think it's safe to say that most of those people, including prospective recruits, perceive McNeese's football program as superior in terms of the quality of the teams to any other FCS program in the State including Southern's. It's very reasonable to contend that playing what's perceived as the top FCS program in Louisiana on a reasonably regular basis and being competetive...beating it at least a reasonable percentage of the time...would benefit Southern's program.

And, nationally, McNeese is a top 10 or 15 FCS program over time. Yes, it's gotten whacked in four straight playoff games now (2002 national championship game and first round 2003, 2005, and 2006). But it's been to the seminfinals three times and to the national championship game twice. Not saying this to smack...but it's won more playoff games historically than all of the HBCU programs mentioned earlier in this thread as better opponents combined. It beat the eventual national champion 38-13 during the 2002 regular season. Most years, if you're objective about it, it appears to be a tougher on the field opponent than Florida A&M, Grambling, Tennessee State, etc.

[McNeese75]

"Its one thing to be thought of as a fool but it is another to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Dr. Issac Greggs .xsmhx

xrolleyesx

I think you just proved your own point xsmiley_wix

Come on now, if you are going to start throwing out cute little quotes at least give credit where credit is due. That particular statement comes from our 16th President. Dr Greggs is nothing but a copycat. xpeacex

http://www.usa-patriotism.com/quotes/lincoln.htm (http://http://www.usa-patriotism.com/quotes/lincoln.htm)

[McTailGator]

Aint shat getting punished this way. The Jag nation will be in rare form trust that. Lock up the puppies. xlolx


You play in a sup-performiong conference, and are no better than most of the limited or no scholarship teams.

Your coaching is horrible...

Look at the SWAC's record vs McNeese and the historical top 16 of the FCS.

GAME OVER.

It will be the xasswhipx you deserve.

[McTailGator]

One question. What is the modern day record between the two conferences head to head? xeyebrowx (seriously, most UCA fans don't know much about the other teams, except UAPB.)xreadx

And even tougher question...

What is McNeese's record vs SWAC teams?


Hint---


McNeese is undefeated and has played MANY SWAC teams. The scores haven't even been close the vast majority of the time.

[McNeese_beat]

you are not a rival. It's just another game to fill the schedule and to makeup the 2005 game. Just my 2 cents.

You are sadly mistaken if you don't think McNeese is a rival. All the state schools outside of LSU compete with each other for players, interest, money, etc.

Southern has hung its hat on the interest aspect that the school's rich traditions have built while allowing the McNeeses and Northwesterns to pass it and leave it behind in terms of landing the numbers in competitive players to be competitive in the mainstream of Division I football. The only way Southern can rectify that situation is on the playing field.

Look, I understand SU's scheduling situation. You're going to play your SWAC schedule, you're going to play games against traditional HBCUs that draw big gates. I understand that if you have a 9-game mandate, that leaves you with two non-conference games and you aren't going to pass on FAMU or Tennessee State and the big gate those names draw to play McNeese, Northwestern and Nicholls. That's completely understandable. But to say a game against McNeese is not potentially beneficial to the program is completely short-sighted. A win over McNeese would do more for Southern's program than 10 wins against FAMU (no offense to FAMU) and here's why.

While FAMU is a great program with great history, there is a long history of SWAC-MEAC competition and everybody knows sort of where they stand in regards to each other. However, there has been little SWAC-SLC interaction and what interaction there has been has been one-sided toward the SLC lately. The perception out there, for better or for worse, is that the SLC plays better football. So a win for Southern over McNeese would be HUGE for your program and for the SWAC because it counters what is the common perception of the SLC's superiority (and make no mistake about it, that is the common perception).

And the only way that can happen is if the two teams get together on the field.

[Big Dawg]

Another loss on the schedule for Southern...that's what it is.

How'd Southern end up with a losing record all-time against Nicholls? That program has never really not been in the dumps and it seems, even in the HBCU "National" Championship seasons, Nicholls has beaten them...xnodx


Why should SU have to compromise their schedule for someone else???

Hell ya'll talkin about SU looking for an easy win, but then ya'll turn around and say how sorry SU is but then get mad when they say they don't care about playing you...sounds like McNeese is looking for an easy win(which may not be easy at all)...help me out on this one.xrolleyesx

I'm glad SU and McNeese are playing each other...hell I wish we play Georgia Southern or Appalachian State, but I wouldn't want to compromise games against SU and TSU.

[jstate83]

And even tougher question...

What is McNeese's record vs SWAC teams?


Hint---


McNeese is undefeated and has played MANY SWAC teams. The scores haven't even been close the vast majority of the time.

Don't put us in this gun fight. xlolx
JSU has never played McNeese.
The only Louisana school's we have played are Northwestern and Nicholl's.
And of course SU and Grambling.

Northwestern took a 2 game lead on us, 3-5, under the Bell's year's and Nicholl's is 1 game under .500 against us.
Throw in SFA who we are 2-3 against and TROY State, back in the day, we are 1-1 against them.

None of the school's JSU has played have dominated us when we sign 4 year, home and home contract's.

Carry on with the battle of Louisana.
Ya'll are funny as He!!. xlolx

[TexasTerror]

McNeese is 9-0 against the SWAC with an average score of 46-15...that sounds like a whoopin'...

Texas Southern is 5-27 against the SLC...wow! All five of those wins came against SHSU, who is 8-5 against the Tigers.

[BgJag]

LSU has championship banners too...they don't mean much. A "mythical" national championship...they were not won on the field.

None of them are recognized by the NCAA like the ones at Appalachian State, the 1978 championship at Florida A&M and the others who have won since...but, hey -- whatever helps with recruiting.



How many former members of your conference has left for the FBS, wnich doesn't mean much. And how many are planning to leave and how many wish they could? It not want the NCAA recognize but what the average fan and that high school senior recognize. BCS Champioship game in front of a soldout crowd televised in primetime or a game in front of 25k televised on espn on a friday night. You like the ncaa kool-aid I see.

[813Jag]

McNeese is 9-0 against the SWAC with an average score of 46-15...that sounds like a whoopin'...

Texas Southern is 5-27 against the SLC...wow! All five of those wins came against SHSU, who is 8-5 against the Tigers.
Y'all loss to Texas Southern 5 times? xeekx

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

McNeese is 9-0 against the SWAC with an average score of 46-15...that sounds like a whoopin'...


Only 3 of those victories are legit. The rest are vs The bottom feeders TSU, PVU, etc

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

You are sadly mistaken if you don't think McNeese is a rival. All the state schools outside of LSU compete with each other for players, interest, money, etc.

Southern has hung its hat on the interest aspect that the school's rich traditions have built while allowing the McNeeses and Northwesterns to pass it and leave it behind in terms of landing the numbers in competitive players to be competitive in the mainstream of Division I football. The only way Southern can rectify that situation is on the playing field.

Look, I understand SU's scheduling situation. You're going to play your SWAC schedule, you're going to play games against traditional HBCUs that draw big gates. I understand that if you have a 9-game mandate, that leaves you with two non-conference games and you aren't going to pass on FAMU or Tennessee State and the big gate those names draw to play McNeese, Northwestern and Nicholls. That's completely understandable. But to say a game against McNeese is not potentially beneficial to the program is completely short-sighted. A win over McNeese would do more for Southern's program than 10 wins against FAMU (no offense to FAMU) and here's why.

While FAMU is a great program with great history, there is a long history of SWAC-MEAC competition and everybody knows sort of where they stand in regards to each other. However, there has been little SWAC-SLC interaction and what interaction there has been has been one-sided toward the SLC lately. The perception out there, for better or for worse, is that the SLC plays better football. So a win for Southern over McNeese would be HUGE for your program and for the SWAC because it counters what is the common perception of the SLC's superiority (and make no mistake about it, that is the common perception).

And the only way that can happen is if the two teams get together on the field.We can do that on a much larger scale vs ULL, Tulane, La Tech or ULM. Again SU fans don't care about McNeese, at all.

[McNeese_beat]

We can do that on a much larger scale vs ULL, Tulane, La Tech or ULM. Again SU fans don't care about McNeese, at all.

If you do beat ULL, you'll just have beaten a team McNeese beat by 21 on the road last year. A win over ULL is not as significant to those who follow state football as a win over McNeese.

You should know that not only is McNeese unbeaten against the SWAC in its history, it's also unbeaten against the Sun Belt Conference in its history (when those programs were members of the Sun Belt). McNeese has also never lost to a D-II, a claim ULL cannot make. Clearly, McNeese is the standard bearer for mid-major (for lack of a better term) college football in the state. I don't think many serious football people in the state would argue that...unless they had a dog in the hunt.

You may look at that as an unwarranted boast, but the feedback I get seems to back it up. If there was any doubt of the level of competition in the SLC relative to the mid-major I-As, it was put to rest at Cajun Field last September, particularly in the second half when McNeese completely dominated the Cajuns.

[mikebigg]

I think I'll wait to discuss this topic in 2010...xpeacex

[lizrdgizrd]

I think I'll wait to discuss this topic in 2010...xpeacex

You are a smart man. xnodx

[McNeese_beat]

I think I'll wait to discuss this topic in 2010...xpeacex

Ha. How about we just beat this horse to death for the next two years instead...xdeadhorsex

We need to get a ULL fan to say something derogatory about McNeese to distract the Cowboys fans and you can talk smack about next season's Bayou Classic to distract the Jaguar fans...

[Mr. Tiger]

Only 3 of those victories are legit. The rest are vs The bottom feeders TSU, PVU, etc

McNeese State has a good program, no doubt, but I agree that 9-0 record against the SWAC is a little misleading. The two wins over Grambling and Southern's one meeting were good ones.

Here are the records of the other teams they beat.

Alcorn State 0-11
Texas Southern 1-10
Praire View 1-10
Prairie View 3-8
Prairie View 3-7
Alcorn State 6-5, they loss to JSU, 52-28 and McNeese 54-14.

[BEAR]

McNeese is 9-0 against the SWAC with an average score of 46-15...that sounds like a whoopin'...

Texas Southern is 5-27 against the SLC...wow! All five of those wins came against SHSU, who is 8-5 against the Tigers.

Yeah, but beating SHSU isn't that difficult..heck a Division II school took care of that..xwhistlex xwhistlex xwhistlex xrulesx xlolx xlolx xlolx

...it has to be easier to rile up TT....xmadx

[BEAR]

Originally Posted by Frosty The Snowbuff
No offense.....but Most Southern Fans (ok Most may be a tad too much)....HALF of the Jaguar Nation (or whatever they call themselves these days) could care less if McNeese wins this game....

and....

Originally Posted by BgJag
you are not a rival. It's just another game to fill the schedule and to makeup the 2005 game. Just my 2 cents.


...(BEAR stutters and has a look of total incomprehensible confusion) I don't understand these statements..Don't care if our team wins...just another game...I'm scared...McNeese fans please explain this to me....xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

Originally Posted by Frosty The Snowbuff
No offense.....but Most Southern Fans (ok Most may be a tad too much)....HALF of the Jaguar Nation (or whatever they call themselves these days) could care less if McNeese wins this game....

and....

Originally Posted by BgJag
you are not a rival. It's just another game to fill the schedule and to makeup the 2005 game. Just my 2 cents.


...(BEAR stutters and has a look of total incomprehensible confusion) I don't understand these statements..Don't care if our team wins...just another game...I'm scared...McNeese fans please explain this to me....xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

I'll try and explain this one.....

Southern could lose this game and it will not be the end of the world.....

Whereas....If McNeese loses this game....it will be a bump in the road toward the "magic" number of wins needed to make the playoffs if by some chance McNeese doesn't win the Southland....

As for the rivalry thing.....It's the same as say a Colorado (my favorite team) vs those little lambs from Fort Collins (Colorado State)....

If Colorado (The McNeese in this situation) loses to Colorado State (Southern)....then Buff fans would have to hear about that loss for an entire year.....Whereas....if it was the other way around....CU would get the "You were SUPPOSED to beat this team" speech....

If Southern loses.....they lose nothing but the game....Not much more.....

Which is why Half of Southern could care less about this game......

Although I'd like to see Southern Win this game :D ....

[BgJag]

Which is why Half of Southern could care less about this game......nor McNeese

Although I'd like to see Southern Win this game :D ....

fixed it for you.xpeacex xthumbsupx

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

fixed it for you.xpeacex xthumbsupx

I would agree if the McNeese fans (both friends I know and posters) would quit whining about it being played.....seesh...

[JohnStOnge]

McNeese is the standard bearer for mid-major (for lack of a better term) college football in the state. I don't think many serious football people in the state would argue that...unless they had a dog in the hunt..

I think that Louisiana Tech and Tulane are the standard bearers for "mid majors" in Louisiana. They're FBS schools and both probably somewhat better than McNeese in most years. Just to give an idea: Over the past few years Tech has been rated by Sagarin as the best team outside of LSU 5 times, Tulane 3 times, and McNeese 2 times.

But there's no question that McNeese has been the top FCS team over the period in terms of on the field caliber.

[GAD]

LSU has championship banners too...they don't mean much. A "mythical" national championship...they were not won on the field.

None of them are recognized by the NCAA like the ones at Appalachian State, the 1978 championship at Florida A&M and the others who have won since...but, hey -- whatever helps with recruiting.

Since we're going to go about promoting mythical titles, Sam Houston State has a few "FCS state championships" to our name -- we promote them every year in the final week of the regular season when we play Texas State - San Marcos. In fact, we've won nine of the last 20. One more than SFA who has eight...San Marcos State has two...and yes, we've actually played SFA, TxSt-SM and UNT (when they were around) on a yearly basis. Not sure how much any other FCS school in Texas matters, because we had the most wins against the Tx FCS schools in those years...and that's good enough.



Rec Center? It's been awhile...
The NCAA does not recognize many of them because we were not even in the NCAA at the time(black people where allowed to compete for there championships)

[BEAR]

I'll try and explain this one.....

Southern could lose this game and it will not be the end of the world.....

Whereas....If McNeese loses this game....it will be a bump in the road toward the "magic" number of wins needed to make the playoffs if by some chance McNeese doesn't win the Southland....

As for the rivalry thing.....It's the same as say a Colorado (my favorite team) vs those little lambs from Fort Collins (Colorado State)....

If Colorado (The McNeese in this situation) loses to Colorado State (Southern)....then Buff fans would have to hear about that loss for an entire year.....Whereas....if it was the other way around....CU would get the "You were SUPPOSED to beat this team" speech....

If Southern loses.....they lose nothing but the game....Not much more.....

Which is why Half of Southern could care less about this game......

Although I'd like to see Southern Win this game :D ....

OK. I guess the projected attitude of "who cares" verses the actual attitude of "we're the underdogs anyway because you made us that way so we don't care what you think" are two totally different things. Remember, I've been to many UAPB games and have always interpreted the teams as having a championshp mentality (within the moment of the game) with a defeatist attitude (within the overall scheme of things)...all of which confuses me...until I sit back on a relaxing afternoon...crack open a cold one...and enjoy watching the HBCU championship game on TV(yeah, I'm poor and can't afford the road trip xlolx Great game this year though! )..xthumbsupx

[McNeese75]

I'll try and explain this one.....

Southern could lose this game and it will not be the end of the world.....

Whereas....If McNeese loses this game....it will be a bump in the road toward the "magic" number of wins needed to make the playoffs if by some chance McNeese doesn't win the Southland....

As for the rivalry thing.....It's the same as say a Colorado (my favorite team) vs those little lambs from Fort Collins (Colorado State)....

If Colorado (The McNeese in this situation) loses to Colorado State (Southern)....then Buff fans would have to hear about that loss for an entire year.....Whereas....if it was the other way around....CU would get the "You were SUPPOSED to beat this team" speech....

If Southern loses.....they lose nothing but the game....Not much more.....

Which is why Half of Southern could care less about this game......

Although I'd like to see Southern Win this game :D ....

Why xconfusedx Then McNeese will just take it out on the Demons xspankx later in the year xlolx

[McNeese_beat]

I think that Louisiana Tech and Tulane are the standard bearers for "mid majors" in Louisiana. They're FBS schools and both probably somewhat better than McNeese in most years. Just to give an idea: Over the past few years Tech has been rated by Sagarin as the best team outside of LSU 5 times, Tulane 3 times, and McNeese 2 times.

But there's no question that McNeese has been the top FCS team over the period in terms of on the field caliber.

I think the point is arguable. Certainly, Tulane and Tech cannot match McNeese win for win and Tech and Tulane get a power rating boost year in year out from playing in C-USA and the WAC. But I think if you asked most well-versed football fans in Louisiana who the "next" BEST program in Louisiana is after LSU, McNeese would be the team. If you asked them who the next biggest name is, Tulane would be the answer. There is a subtle, but important, difference.

As a comparison, I think if you asked a knowledgeable Ohio college football fan in the mid-1990s who the No. 2 program in the state was, many would say Youngstown State even though you had a seven other I-A teams aside from Ohio State, including a (then) C-USA team in Cincinnati and a bunch of tradition-rich MAC teams.

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

Why xconfusedx Then McNeese will just take it out on the Demons xspankx later in the year xlolx

A bunch of reasons but I'll list just 3:

1) My uncle was a Jags pitcher....A Jaguar win over yall would give the fam something to smile about (Although I could care less....)

2) A Jaguar win would give them a feat that Grambling has yet to accomplish....A win over McNeese....

3) It's the Demon in me :D .....

As for us....from what I've seen.....I'll be glad if we even come CLOSE to winning this years game.....even though it is in Natchitoches....

That is....Unless yall wanna be kind and attempt to give us the game again xlolx xlolx xlolx

[McNeese75]

A bunch of reasons but I'll list just 3:

1) My uncle was a Jags pitcher....A Jaguar win over yall would give the fam something to smile about (Although I could care less....)

2) A Jaguar win would give them a feat that Grambling has yet to accomplish....A win over McNeese....

3) It's the Demon in me :D .....

As for us....from what I've seen.....I'll be glad if we even come CLOSE to winning this years game.....even though it is in Natchitoches....

That is....Unless yall wanna be kind and attempt to give us the game again xlolx xlolx xlolx

xlolx We both know anything is possible. OK, now I understand your perspective on the Jags xthumbsupx

[jstate83]

McNeese is 9-0 against the SWAC with an average score of 46-15...that sounds like a whoopin'...

Texas Southern is 5-27 against the SLC...wow! All five of those wins came against SHSU, who is 8-5 against the Tigers.


AHH TT.
Not to throw salt on Texas Southern.

But JSU since 1970 has won all but 3 games against Texas Southern.
That's 3 games in 37 years so if that's your SWAC measuring stick then OOOOOOOOOK. xlmaox
And besides Southern and GRAM, WHO ELSE IN THE SWAC HAS McNEESE PLAYED.
Just Asking.

[JohnStOnge]

And besides Southern and GRAM, WHO ELSE IN THE SWAC HAS McNEESE PLAYED.
Just Asking.

The only ones I know they've played other than Grambling and Southern are Alcorn State, Texas Southern, and Prarie View.

But, hey, when you're talking about Grambling and Southern you're talking about two of the three top programs in the SWAC (with Jackson State being the other).

[FormerPokeCenter]

Most McFans made it very clear they understood the reasoning for not playing the 2005 game. With several New Orleans kids on our team, we understood exactly what a distraction it was....

We really DON'T care about Southern nor view them as an enhancement to the schedule. We've already had the Marquee HBCU come to Cowboy Stadium in Grambling, and the only thing Southern's gonna do is cost us some strength of schedule points when it comes time to pick the playoff field.

What we DO care about is something the Cowardly Jag-o-matics should understand: The business side of an un-honored home and home contract.

We went to Baton Rouge and took a fair contingent of fans who spent money buying tickets and who bought concessions. It was Southern's second highest attended Mumford game of the year. We went there in good faith, first, with the understanding that Southern would honor the contract so we could recover our financial losses in giving up a home game. Even if we'd scheduled a Divison II, like - say - Delta State, we'd have MADE money the week that we went to Baton Rouge. Instead, we scheduled Southern and got what appeared to be the shaft after Katrina. It's not about playing Southern, it's about getting a return on our investment. What made the situation worse for us was that we had to postpone two other games after we got hit with Rita, so the lost revenue was compounded.

Thanks to Texas Southern for signing up to play us on their open date that year. We probably didn't make any money on the game, but it was a classy thing to do and it allowed our players to get back on the field and focus on the game and it gave our fans something to focus on besides rebuilding from the hurricanes.

It's amazing to watch the twisted logic from the Southern fans trying to make this into something it's not.

Let's be clear, it's about the FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE, STUPID....That's SUCH an easy concept that even a Southern graduate should be able to understand it..... As you Jaguar fans are fond of say, Football's a dayum bidness, right? Then surely you understand why we were pissed off, and rightly so, about wasting our time and money going to Baton Rouge when we could have kept our money, made some and gotten a better game from a team like Delta State?

So, thanks for finding the testicular fortitude to reschedule the game. After you take your ass-whipping and we get our money back, you can go back to playing separate and unequal teams and speculating about what life would be like if you had been able to suit up against the PW schools back when you didn't have the opportunity to do so, instead of excercising the hard-won ability to do so now...

Some people just like living in the past, I guess...

[BgJag]

thread been dead for three weeks, guess he found his little pills.xsmhx

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

thread been dead for three weeks, guess he found his little pills.xsmhx


There's always one.....xlolx xlolx xlolx

[FormerPokeCenter]

Originally Posted by BgJag
<<thread been dead for three weeks, guess he found his little pills.>>


Nah....I just got around to reading the stupid shat posted on this thread earlier....

[McNeese75]

Most McFans made it very clear they understood the reasoning for not playing the 2005 game. With several New Orleans kids on our team, we understood exactly what a distraction it was....

We really DON'T care about Southern nor view them as an enhancement to the schedule. We've already had the Marquee HBCU come to Cowboy Stadium in Grambling, and the only thing Southern's gonna do is cost us some strength of schedule points when it comes time to pick the playoff field.

What we DO care about is something the Cowardly Jag-o-matics should understand: The business side of an un-honored home and home contract.

We went to Baton Rouge and took a fair contingent of fans who spent money buying tickets and who bought concessions. It was Southern's second highest attended Mumford game of the year. We went there in good faith, first, with the understanding that Southern would honor the contract so we could recover our financial losses in giving up a home game. Even if we'd scheduled a Divison II, like - say - Delta State, we'd have MADE money the week that we went to Baton Rouge. Instead, we scheduled Southern and got what appeared to be the shaft after Katrina. It's not about playing Southern, it's about getting a return on our investment. What made the situation worse for us was that we had to postpone two other games after we got hit with Rita, so the lost revenue was compounded.

Thanks to Texas Southern for signing up to play us on their open date that year. We probably didn't make any money on the game, but it was a classy thing to do and it allowed our players to get back on the field and focus on the game and it gave our fans something to focus on besides rebuilding from the hurricanes.

It's amazing to watch the twisted logic from the Southern fans trying to make this into something it's not.

Let's be clear, it's about the FINANCIAL BOTTOM LINE, STUPID....That's SUCH an easy concept that even a Southern graduate should be able to understand it..... As you Jaguar fans are fond of say, Football's a dayum bidness, right? Then surely you understand why we were pissed off, and rightly so, about wasting our time and money going to Baton Rouge when we could have kept our money, made some and gotten a better game from a team like Delta State?

So, thanks for finding the testicular fortitude to reschedule the game. After you take your ass-whipping and we get our money back, you can go back to playing separate and unequal teams and speculating about what life would be like if you had been able to suit up against the PW schools back when you didn't have the opportunity to do so, instead of excercising the hard-won ability to do so now...

Some people just like living in the past, I guess...

xthumbsupx