Oakland A's heading to Japan

[saint0917]

Well, I hope the Red Sox make up their mind if their going, because Oakland is leaving today.

Long day ahead: two games, trip to Japan (http://www.insidebayarea.com/athletics/ci_8623551)

Who the A's are sending.

C - Suzuki
1B - Barton
2B - Ellis
SS - Crosby
3B - Hannahan
LF - Cust
CF - R. Sweeney
RF - Buck
DH - M. Sweeney
4th OF - Denorfia
5th OF - Brown
IF - Chavez (Inactive, not making trip)
IF - Murphy
1B - Johnson
C2 - Bowen
UTIL - Fiorentino

SP - Blanton
SP - Harden
SP - Duke (Inactive)
SP - Eveland (Inactive)

LHP - Braden
LHP - DiNardo
RHP - Hernandez
RHP - Brown
RHP - Casilla
LHP - Embree
RHP - Foulke
RHP - Street

[UNHWildCats]

According to NESN and WEEI the A's players have also voted to boycott the trip if their coaches arent paid.

[SuperJon]

ESPN is saying Oakland might not go.

[saint0917]

Screw ALL of them.

High paid jobs, all expenses paid trip to Japan to play a few games, shut the hell up and go already. Overpaid cry babies. xsmhx

[UNHWildCats]

Screw ALL of them.

High paid jobs, all expenses paid trip to Japan to play a few games, shut the hell up and go already. Overpaid cry babies. xsmhx

high paid jobs?

Aside from the Manager how much do you think a baseball coach makes?

[spelunker64]

Yeah, it's for the coaches and staff not the players

[bluehenbillk]

I agree, the coaches aren't really high-paid.

[SuperJon]

They're wanting the athletic trainers, the secretaries, and the position coaches paid, not themselves. How's that selfish?

Until you work with a team, whether it's professional or collegiate, you don't truly know what goes into a road trip. I've only been a part of college football trips, and I know how much goes into that, so I can't imagine a cross-continental trip.

[tribe_pride]

They're wanting the athletic trainers, the secretaries, and the position coaches paid, not themselves. How's that selfish?

Until you work with a team, whether it's professional or collegiate, you don't truly know what goes into a road trip. I've only been a part of college football trips, and I know how much goes into that, so I can't imagine a cross-continental trip.

I agree that it's not selfish but what really was the deal? Maybe this was the agreement and people later thought that it wasn't fair that the staff was not getting paid. Maybe there was a mix up in what each side thought Teams have gone to Asia to play before - what was the deal there?

That said as I said on another thread, a $40,000 stipend is a joke. No way anybody should be getting that much to be out there for 2 games.

[bandl]

I agree that it's not selfish but what really was the deal? Maybe this was the agreement and people later thought that it wasn't fair that the staff was not getting paid. Maybe there was a mix up in what each side thought Teams have gone to Asia to play before - what was the deal there?

That said as I said on another thread, a $40,000 stipend is a joke. No way anybody should be getting that much to be out there for 2 games.

ARod gets almost that much per at-bat...

[UNHWildCats]

I agree that it's not selfish but what really was the deal? Maybe this was the agreement and people later thought that it wasn't fair that the staff was not getting paid. Maybe there was a mix up in what each side thought Teams have gone to Asia to play before - what was the deal there?

That said as I said on another thread, a $40,000 stipend is a joke. No way anybody should be getting that much to be out there for 2 games.
there also playing two exhibition games there as well, and while they dont count for anything that doesnt mean that the coaches arent there any less time for them or work any less.

[UNHWildCats]

Also The Angels got paid $31,593.75 shares last season two lose a three game series to Boston.... those shares were also paid to coaches and they didnt have to travel all the way to Japan. The $40,000 isnt a ridiculous amount of money.

[saint0917]

high paid jobs?

Aside from the Manager how much do you think a baseball coach makes?

They make enough not to be crying over $40G xrolleyesx

[ISUMatt]

Im sure each coach will hold onto that 40k, maybe even rollit into an IRA to make sure they earn some cash on it xrolleyesx

[mcveyrl]

there also playing two exhibition games there as well, and while they dont count for anything that doesnt mean that the coaches arent there any less time for them or work any less.

They are also providing clinics (the fundamentals and coaching kind, not the malaria shot kind).

[saint0917]

They're wanting the athletic trainers, the secretaries, and the position coaches paid, not themselves. How's that selfish?

Then the Red Sox shouldn't have agreed to those terms if they were only going to cry about it later. xrolleyesx

[tribe_pride]

ARod gets almost that much per at-bat...

Great and that was agreed to in a contract which he signed with the Yanks. My question was what was the agreement? We heard the team's side. I like to hear both sides (including the MLB side) before I make my decision. As I said, if this was agreed to beforehand, then they should get the money. If not, they should not be getting the money.


Also The Angels got paid $31,593.75 shares last season two lose a three game series to Boston.... those shares were also paid to coaches and they didnt have to travel all the way to Japan. The $40,000 isnt a ridiculous amount of money.

That was money they EARNED for qualifying for the playoffs. It's like a bonus for getting to the playoffs or reaching a performance incentive. And (serious question since I don't know) does all staff get that? And was that agreed to ahead of time? I'm sure it was.

That said $40,000 is a ridiculous amount of money. I think we all agree that most of the staff isn't making a lot of money and this is a significant amount for them to get. A stipend is meant to defray expenses. If anyone spends $40,000 out there, they have problems since food, travel and lodging are probably all paid for for them. Once again, if it was agreed to beforehand, they should get it but that is a lot of money.

[bandl]

Great and that was agreed to in a contract which he signed with the Yanks. My question was what was the agreement? We heard the team's side. I like to hear both sides (including the MLB side) before I make my decision. As I said, if this was agreed to beforehand, then they should get the money. If not, they should not be getting the money.



That was money they EARNED for qualifying for the playoffs. It's like a bonus for getting to the playoffs or reaching a performance incentive. And (serious question since I don't know) does all staff get that? And was that agreed to ahead of time? I'm sure it was.

That said $40,000 is a ridiculous amount of money. I think we all agree that most of the staff isn't making a lot of money and this is a significant amount for them to get. A stipend is meant to defray expenses. If anyone spends $40,000 out there, they have problems since food, travel and lodging are probably all paid for for them. Once again, if it was agreed to beforehand, they should get it but that is a lot of money.

It was a sarcastic remark...leave it up to a Mary and Bill grad to have no frickin' clue and absolutely no sense of humor.

[tribe_pride]

It was a sarcastic remark...leave it up to a Mary and Bill grad to have no frickin' clue and absolutely no sense of humor.

I understand it was a sarcastic remark (funny with the Mary and Bill remark ;) ) but people like UNH are saying that $40,000 is a drop in the bucket and your comment best illustrated my point.

[UNHWildCats]

Then the Red Sox shouldn't have agreed to those terms if they were only going to cry about it later. xrolleyesx
As part of the agreement for the Sox to agree to go, MLB agreed to pay coaches and trainers $40,000 each.

[saint0917]

As part of the agreement for the Sox to agree to go, MLB agreed to pay coaches and trainers $40,000 each.

Like I said, they shouldn't have agreed to those terms in the first place if they were only going to cry about it later. xsmhx

[UNHWildCats]

Like I said, they shouldn't have agreed to those terms in the first place if they were only going to cry about it later. xsmhx
xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx xconfusedx

OK if your boss wanted you to go work in Japan and as part of the compensation package he offered you to get you to agree was that he would buy you a house and a car as well as a $50,000 a year raise... Then just before you were to head there he told you that instead of a house you get an apartment and instead of a car you get a public transportation pass and instead of $50,000 you het $10,000 what would you do?

The Red Sox, A's and MLB had an agreement that said for going to play In Tokyo the players AND COACHES would receive a $40,000 stipend.

MLB then backed off and decided not to give it to the coaches as agreed upon in order to get the two teams to make the trip.

If the Red Sox didn't make a stand, MLB would only continue this kind of crap for years to come.

[saint0917]

The Red Sox, A's and MLB had an agreement that said for going to play In Tokyo the players AND COACHES would receive a $40,000 stipend.

Your right, for PLAYERS and COACHES ONLY, NOT for trainers, Secretary's, the Limo drive, the Ball Boy, the Pilot, Fuzzy Dice etc.etc.

[UNHWildCats]

Your right, for PLAYERS and COACHES ONLY, NOT for trainers, Secretary's, the Limo drive, the Ball Boy, the Pilot, Fuzzy Dice etc.etc.
There were 12 coaches and trainers that MLB agreed to give the stipend to.

[saint0917]

There were 12 coaches and trainers that MLB agreed to give the stipend to.

Link

[JoltinJoe]

ARod gets almost that much per at-bat...

Please, don't remind me. xnonono2x

He opted out. The Yanks should have let him walk. I'd rather root for some likeable kid than this me-first prima donna, even if we don't win the World Series with the kid.

Hey, wait a minute.... xchinscratchx

[tribe_pride]

As part of the agreement for the Sox to agree to go, MLB agreed to pay coaches and trainers $40,000 each.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3301195


Managers and coaches were included in the players' pool payments for baseball's two previous opening trips to Japan -- the New York Mets played the Chicago Cubs in 2000 and the Yankees played Tampa Bay in 2004. But there was no such provision this time in the agreement between MLB and the players' association.