Southern Pigskin predictions- SoCon

[terrierbob]

Looks like the Terriers are under-underdogs in 2008.
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SoCon Spring Primer

By Josh Buchanan
SouthernPigskin.com FCS Writer






FCS Writer Josh Buchanan releases some early predictions on the Southern Conference.






2008 Southern Conference Spring Primer: Can Moore go for four?


Can Appalachian State win a fourth straight SoCon title? It will be tough to do but Jerry Moore has landed some solid transfers, a top recruiting class and returns plenty of speed from last year’s title team to make the Mountaineers the definite front-runner this year.

Below is a look at how the preseason All-SoCon team could look and a glimpse at how we believe the league title race will go down. These predictions are for spring 2008 and are subject to change prior to the 2008 league preview that will be released later this summer.

Predicted Order of Finish

1. Appalachian State - Quarterback Armanti Edwards (2nd team All-American, 38 total touchdowns) headlines a younger offense from 2007; the defense is led by a strong front seven featuring linebackers Pierre Banks (108 tackles, 7 TFL's, 2 sacks) and DJ Smith (121 tackles, 2 INT , 11 PBU). Can this team win four straight national championships?

2. Furman - Losing Jerome Felton (12 rushing TDs) will hurt; tight end Larry Hedden (421 yards, 3 TDs), offensive tackle Joel Bell (1st team All-SoCon) and defensive back Thomas Twitty (95 tackles, 1 INT , 6 PBU) headline the returnees. Sophomore Mike Brown will become the new offensive workhorse.

3. Elon - Elon boasts the most exciting quarterback to wide receiver tadem in the league: signal caller Scott Riddle (3,817 yards, 31 TDs) and wideout Terrell Hudgins (1,474 yards, 18 TDs) are the best the conference has seen since Richie Williams and DaVon Fowlkes.

4. Georgia Southern - Quarterback Jayson Foster (30 total TDs) is gone; leading tackler Chris Covington (66 Tackles) and sophomore linebacker E.J. Webb (57 tackles, 5 TFL's) headline a talented defense. This team should take a step forward in year two of the Chris Hatcher regime.

5. The Citadel - Exciting All-America wideout Andre Roberts (1,060 yards, 10 TDs) is back; the defense has some retooling to do and must replace All-SoCon members Joshua Lawson, Trevar Broughton and Andrew Rowell.

6. Wofford - Senior laden Terriers missed out on national championship last season, now it's back to rebuilding; veteran linebacker Seth Goldwire (108 tackles) and tackle Derek Wooten are among the best at their position in the conference.

7. UT Chattanooga - The 'Mocs will look to improve on their disappointing 2-9 record from last year; the loss of defensive back Chris Camacho leaves big hole in secondary. Return specialist Jordan Hazard is a big play waiting to happen.

8. Western Carolina - The only bright spot on offense, wide receiver Eddie Cohen is gone; the defense is headlined by All-SoCon linebacker Quinton Phillips (127 tackles, 7.5 TFL's). Phillips will have to be a playmaker all season long.

9. Samford - This will be the program's first season in the Southern Conference. A lack of experience, depth and overall talent will keep them near the bottom for a few years; a few OVC All-Newcomer Team members from last year headline the 2008 roster

[beauvighn]

Hey T-Bob, How is the kid from Navy working out for you guys. I haven't heard anything about him since he left us. Is he going through spring practice? He is a great kid who will do a bang up job for you guys. We are going to miss him.

[OL FU]

Well I have not done the research I try to do prior to AGS Poll time, but my initial reaction is Furman will have to be much better on defense in 2008 to be number two. Elon will have to do the same to be number three. I am not convinced , but could be wrong that GaSU will not be close to the same ball club without Foster. I do think Hatcher is a coach that can bring them back but the main difference in GSU being 8-3 in 05, 3-8 in 06 and 7-4 in 07 was that Foster didn't touch the ball in '06.

We will see.

[terrierbob]

Hey T-Bob, How is the kid from Navy working out for you guys. I haven't heard anything about him since he left us. Is he going through spring practice? He is a great kid who will do a bang up job for you guys. We are going to miss him.

Good article on Davis:

http://goupstate.com/article/20080312/NEWS/74973058/1001/SPORTS02

[beauvighn]

Thanks T-Bob. It sounds like he is fitting in nicely. Good luck to the Terriers this season.
Go Navy!!!!
Beat Army!!!

[CID1990]

Actually, I think The Citadel is placed a little high. We will be doing well to beat Samford.

[citdog]

Actually, I think The Citadel is placed a little high. We will be doing well to beat Samford.

I AGREE AND WITH WOFFORD HAVING A KID WHO LEFT CANOE U UNDER QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES AND IS A BLEEDING GASH FOR QUITTING ON HIS CLASSMATES. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPETE.


ELON AND FURMAN ARE BOTH WAY HIGH IN JOSH'S POLL.


REMEMBER THIS IS THE APPIDIOT FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE SWAMI HERE. HE'S LIKE 16 YEARS OLD AND WOULD TOTALLY **** JERRY MOORE IF MOORE ASKED HIM TO.

[terrierbob]

I AGREE AND WITH WOFFORD HAVING A KID KICKED OUT OF NAVY FOR AN H.V.. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO COMPETE.


ELON AND FURMAN ARE BOTH WAY HIGH IN JOSH'S POLL.


REMEMBER THIS IS THE APPIDIOT FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE SWAMI HERE. HE'S LIKE 16 YEARS OLD AND WOULD TOTALLY **** JERRY MOORE IF MOORE ASKED HIM TO.


What's an H.V.?

[Touchdown Yosef]

Furman and GSU should both be below Wofford imo. I am just glad App does not have to go to Wofford this year. I wouldn't expect anyone to win the Socon outwright I guess anyone's guess is as good as another as to who will finish where in this conference. (except of course for the bottom 3)

[beauvighn]

H.V. means Honor Violation and you my brother in arms are an idiot. Getting on a mesage board with crap like that and smearing a good kid is beyond reproach and definitely conduct unbecoming.

FYI , the young man left in good standing. Yes, he did not have what it takes to become a Naval/MC Officer but there are many that fall into that category. Kids enroll into any of our fine Military institutions only to find out that football is not the reason they are there.

If you have proof of your comments Citidog then make them know. If not, and you were just experiencing diarrhea of the mouth, admit it. At least the kid qualified to attend a real Military Acad. and not a knock off. Carry On.
Semper Fi
Beau Vinetti
Annapolis, MD.

[citdog]

H.V. means Honor Violation and you my brother in arms are an idiot. Getting on a mesage board with crap like that and smearing a good kid is beyond reproach and definitely conduct unbecoming.

FYI , the young man left in good standing. Yes, he did not have what it takes to become a Naval/MC Officer but there are many that fall into that category. Kids enroll into any of our fine Military institutions only to find out that football is not the reason they are there.

If you have proof of your comments Citidog then make them know. If not, and you were just experiencing diarrhea of the mouth, admit it. At least the kid qualified to attend a real Military Acad. and not a knock off. Carry On.
Semper Fi
Beau Vinetti
Annapolis, MD.


THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD. ON CANOE U'S OWN FORUM. THE MAIN IDEA WAS "GOOD RIDDANCE".

I CHOSE A SCHOOL THAT ACTUALLY HAS A SYSTEM AND DOESN'T ALLOW ITS CADETS THREE CHANCES TO HAVE HONOR. UNLIKE THE TOUCHY FEELGOOD FEDERAL SERVICE ACAD'S WHO HAVE HAD CHEATING SCANDAL AFTER CHEATING SCANDAL.

GARY OWEN!
CITDOG
CHARLESTON, SC

[beauvighn]

Again Gary, where is your proof. Not what you heard on another forum , give me proof. I can state what I heard about you at the Charleston Marriott with another cadet but that doesn't make it true. It is rumor and hear-say and completly destructive. I know this kid from his time at Navy and he is as fine a young man as this country has to offer. He will make a fine player for Wofford. Oh, BTW Gary you have mail.

[citdog]

Again Gary, where is your proof. Not what you heard on another forum , give me proof. I can state what I heard about you at the Charleston Marriott with another cadet but that doesn't make it true. It is rumor and hear-say and completly destructive. I know this kid from his time at Navy and he is as fine a young man as this country has to offer. He will make a fine player for Wofford. Oh, BTW Gary you have mail.

AS I WAS NEVER IN THE NAVY LIKE YOU MARINES ARE I CAN ONLY SAY WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME BY ONE OF YOUR ILLUSTRIOUS GRADUATES. THIS KID WAS GOOD RIDDANCE FOR CANOE U AND THAT NO ONE SHED A TEAR WHEN HE **** ALL OVER HIS CLASSMATES AND LEFT THE USNA. THIS KID WILL QUIT ON HIS WOFFORD TEAMMATES AS WELL WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. I'LL BE SUPRISED IF HE EVER PLAYS FOR MIKE AYERS. ANSWERED YOUR MAIL.

[beauvighn]

It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You have some realy issues you need to deal with before you get a commission and begin your service. You have still provided no proof except hear say and things you make up to justify an existence. I read your mail and I can say that I hope you grow up before you begin service to our Country. I commanded punks like you and watched as they curled up and called for Mama when the bullets started flying. Why don't you go to GOMIDS.com and ask the question over there. Good day , kid.

[citdog]

It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. You have some realy issues you need to deal with before you get a commission and begin your service. You have still provided no proof except hear say and things you make up to justify an existence. I read your mail and I can say that I hope you grow up before you begin service to our Country. I commanded punks like you and watched as they curled up and called for Mama when the bullets started flying. Good day , kid.

KID! GET A COMMISSION? I'VE FOUGHT TWO WARS YOU PUTZ! ONE AS A PLATOON LEADER AND THE OTHER AS A COMPANY COMMANDER! BEGIN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY? LISTEN HERE AFTERBIRTH, I STILL PROVIDE A CERTAIN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY FROM TIME TO TIME WHENEVER CALLED UPON. I NEVER HAD TO COMMAND SCHLEPROCKS LIKE YOU BECAUSE I WASN'T IN THE NAVY LIKE YOU MARINES ARE. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.

THAT WILL BE ALL.



GARY OWEN!

[mrklean]

KID! GET A COMMISSION? I'VE FOUGHT TWO WARS YOU PUTZ! ONE AS A PLATOON LEADER AND THE OTHER AS A COMPANY COMMANDER! BEGIN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY? LISTEN HERE AFTERBIRTH, I STILL PROVIDE A CERTAIN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY FROM TIME TO TIME WHENEVER CALLED UPON. I NEVER HAD TO COMMAND SCHLEPROCKS LIKE YOU BECAUSE I WASN'T IN THE NAVY LIKE YOU MARINES ARE. YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.

THAT WILL BE ALL.



GARY OWEN!

Dont ***** with a Cav Trooper!

SCOUTS OUT!!!.....anway

I think the Southern will come in 2nd in the SoCon..and yes we will kick APP's. azz this year!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beauvighn]

Then you should know better than to spew this type of rhetoric. You sound like a raw recruit instead of a grown man. Thank you for service to our Country.

[citdog]

Thank you for service to our Country.



AND I THANK YOU FOR YOURS AS WELL.

[mrklean]

Another Army vs. Marine fight..can't we all get along!

[terrierbob]

Another Army vs. Marine fight..can't we all get along!

They're just built that way. Wouldn't want 'em any different.

[seantaylor]

Furman is way too high. GSU was an inch wide of a Socon championship last year. Year 2 in Hatcher's system will be better.

[CID1990]

Furman is way too high. GSU was an inch wide of a Socon championship last year. Year 2 in Hatcher's system will be better.

Doesn't mean anything. GSU was also one missed assignment away from 5th place and El Cid was that same missed assignment away from 2nd place and a playoff berth.

Too bad we missed our chance last year, because as Southern Pigskin has predicted, the Dogs aren't going to be anything to worry about in 2008.

[soweagle]

My predictions

App State finishes 1-8, the rest of the Socon will be fighting for last.

[gvilleapp]

I'd say The Citadel is my pick for second in the conference. Bartman has a great arm and appears to be a strong team leader. Higgins may be the best coach in the Socon. That said, it won't be enough as the Apps win the SoCon title while going 8-0 in conference. Talent level on the '08 team should be the best yet. GSU on the road scares me at this point and I think that will be the teams biggest challenge inside the conference. It is always tough to win in Statesboro, but Foster's departure should make it more managable this time around.

[CID1990]

I'd say The Citadel is my pick for second in the conference. Bartman has a great arm and appears to be a strong team leader. Higgins may be the best coach in the Socon. That said, it won't be enough as the Apps win the SoCon title while going 8-0 in conference. Talent level on the '08 team should be the best yet. GSU on the road scares me at this point and I think that will be the teams biggest challenge inside the conference. It is always tough to win in Statesboro, but Foster's departure should make it more managable this time around.


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[gvilleapp]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Didn't mean to blow your cover. On second thought, I think you guys will be very lucky to get past Webber Int. in the opener. How's that?

[HighRyder08]

I'd say The Citadel is my pick for second in the conference. Bartman has a great arm and appears to be a strong team leader. Higgins may be the best coach in the Socon. That said, it won't be enough as the Apps win the SoCon title while going 8-0 in conference. Talent level on the '08 team should be the best yet. GSU on the road scares me at this point and I think that will be the teams biggest challenge inside the conference. It is always tough to win in Statesboro, but Foster's departure should make it more managable this time around.

After being taunted by the GSU band and fans after the loss at Kidd Brewer last year, I think ASU will be ready to give em Hell!

[LarryBoy]

Furman '07 and Furman '08 will be two entirely different monsters. I HOPE for a second place finish or better, but there isn't much to evaluate right now. Different offense, different defense, and a lot of different guys running it. Is the talent there for such a high finish? In my biased opinion, absolutely. I would especially put our offensive personnel up against anyone in the conference. But we'll have to see how things shake out.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Furman will be a "wild card" team this year (like we will be)...obviously they had some problems this past season and they are losing some key players. They could be good or they could be bad next year. I don't think they will be second in the conference, though.

It could very well be a race between App. St., Elon, and El Cid this year :(

[Saint3333]

It could very well be a race between App. St., Elon, and El Cid this year :(

Sounds good to me, ASU gets both those schools in Boone in 2008.

Way too early for predictions though. Players and coaches will be added and subtracted between now and then.

One thing I know the SoCon should be very competitive spots 1-6 and will once again be one of the best FCS conferences.xnodx

[Eyes of Old Main]

THIS KID WILL QUIT ON HIS WOFFORD TEAMMATES AS WELL WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH. I'LL BE SUPRISED IF HE EVER PLAYS FOR MIKE AYERS.

You just don't worry about that, my friend. If Coach Ayers is comfortable bringing him in, then I am comfortable with how he'll perform when called upon. But it's OK if you think otherwise, Citdog. Your Bulldogs will be curled up in the fetal position as always after Wofford makes it 10 in a row this coming fall.

[CID1990]

Didn't mean to blow your cover. On second thought, I think you guys will be very lucky to get past Webber Int. in the opener. How's that?

That's better. I am predicting a very close game against Webber International School of Bidness.

[SideLine Shooter]

Furman '07 and Furman '08 will be two entirely different monsters. I HOPE for a second place finish or better, but there isn't much to evaluate right now. Different offense, different defense, and a lot of different guys running it. Is the talent there for such a high finish? In my biased opinion, absolutely. I would especially put our offensive personnel up against anyone in the conference. But we'll have to see how things shake out.

I keep hearing that Lamb is changing the offense and defense. Is this a sign of problems or heat in FU? Is Lamb feeling the heat. I keep hearing rumblings in Gville about Lamb. Anything from anyboby close to the "Purple Paladins".xconfusedx

[citdog]

You just don't worry about that, my friend. If Coach Ayers is comfortable bringing him in, then I am comfortable with how he'll perform when called upon. But it's OK if you think otherwise, Citdog. Your Bulldogs will be curled up in the fetal position as always after Wofford makes it 10 in a row this coming fall.


DIDN'T YOU SEE THAT THE POSTER FORMERLY KNOWN AS SWAMI PICKED Y'ALL BEHIND US? NEITHER OF US SHOULD BOTHER EVEN PLAYING THE SEASON!

THE QUITTER FROM CANOE U WILL IMHO BE A CANCER ON YOUR TEAM. ONCE A QUITTER, ALWAYS A QUITTER!

[terrierbob]

The rankings don't bother me. We've never been picked higher than 3rd, as I can recall, and have somehow managed to eke out wins every now and then.

[OL FU]

I keep hearing that Lamb is changing the offense and defense. Is this a sign of problems or heat in FU? Is Lamb feeling the heat. I keep hearing rumblings in Gville about Lamb. Anything from anyboby close to the "Purple Paladins".xconfusedx

I am sure he knows that we expect to be better than 6-5.xnodx and at some point in time continuing that way will not be acceptable.

Defense is interesting. we have not had a good one sense '04. So changes were needed and I suppose time will tell if they are the correct ones.

Offense, it seems as if we are going to PASS. Even in the Martin days we were probably about 2/3 to 3/4 run. Seems like that may change significantly. Personally, I think this is a good adjustment to the talent we have. We have many excellent receivers in the line up from WR to TEs. We also will have an experienced line (possibly a couple of all conference guys) to block for a guy who can throw the ball.

I haven't been worred much about the offense in past years or this coming year. But the defense has to get better.

[OL FU]

The rankings don't bother me. We've never been picked higher than 3rd, as I can recall, and have somehow managed to eke out wins every now and then.

Is he correct about the amount of experience you are losing. I have not had time to look. I know that O backfield had graduations and I know you had some seniors, but I really didn't think it was more than a normal graduating class.

[seantaylor]

Doesn't mean anything. GSU was also one missed assignment away from 5th place and El Cid was that same missed assignment away from 2nd place and a playoff berth.

Too bad we missed our chance last year, because as Southern Pigskin has predicted, the Dogs aren't going to be anything to worry about in 2008.

Big, big difference in a missed chip-shot field goal, and a 80 yard TD run. It wasn't a missed assignment, just you had no one on the field who could stop Foster.

[citdog]

Big, big difference in a missed chip-shot field goal, and a 80 yard TD run. It wasn't a missed assignment, just you had no one on the field who could stop Foster.


YOU ARE A FOOL TAYLOR. THAT ONE PLAY WAS THE DIFFERENCE, AS WAS THE INJURY TO CADET DURAN LAWSON. WE HAVE A BETTER TEAM THAT YOU DO. NOW THAT FOSTER HAS GRADUATED, A RARE FEAT FOR AN EAGLET FROM PIGS ASS, YOU ARE THE SAME TEAM YOU WERE WHEN YOU HAD VAN GORDER. IN OTHER WORDS....




YOU SUCK AGAIN!

[terrierbob]

Is he correct about the amount of experience you are losing. I have not had time to look. I know that O backfield had graduations and I know you had some seniors, but I really didn't think it was more than a normal graduating class.


Depth is a problem, but we've been recruiting well, and have guys who can step in. LBs are very quick and mobile. Our backfield may be even faster than last year. WC can't realistically expect a 1st or 2nd ranking, but we should at least have a little residual respect. C'est La Vie

[Touchdown Yosef]

Depth is a problem, but we've been recruiting well, and have guys who can step in. LBs are very quick and mobile. Our backfield may be even faster than last year. WC can't realistically expect a 1st or 2nd ranking, but we should at least have a little residual respect. C'est La Vie

Wofford will get the respect they deserve when they stick it to South Carolina this year.

Too many people forget that you all should have had an FBS win last year to go along with your Co-Champ of the Socon. Rankings mean nothing untill playoff time.

[LarryBoy]

I keep hearing that Lamb is changing the offense and defense. Is this a sign of problems or heat in FU? Is Lamb feeling the heat. I keep hearing rumblings in Gville about Lamb. Anything from anyboby close to the "Purple Paladins".xconfusedx

In 6 years under Lamb, Furman hasn't had a losing season, made the playoffs four times, defeated Georgia Southern 3 times (to compare, we beat GSU 3 times during Johnson's entire HC career at Furman), Wofford 4 times, Citadel 5 times, etc. That's a better resume than every other coach in the conference not named Moore. In fact, if you take away Furman's '01 National Championship appearance, Lamb's and Johnson's resumes are very similar in terms of record, and that was good enough to get Johnson hired at an SEC school.

App State is Lamb's only real black mark, winning just once in six years. You could also factor in his tendency to let his temper get to him or the fact that Furman likely should have gotten a National Title out of '04 or '05 but came up short.

I still think that Bobby is still a couple of bad years away from an actual hot seat.

[terrierbob]

In 6 years under Lamb, Furman hasn't had a losing season, made the playoffs four times, defeated Georgia Southern 3 times (to compare, we beat GSU 3 times during Johnson's entire HC career at Furman), Wofford 4 times, Citadel 5 times, etc. That's a better resume than every other coach in the conference not named Moore. In fact, if you take away Furman's '01 National Championship appearance, Lamb's and Johnson's resumes are very similar in terms of record, and that was good enough to get Johnson hired at an SEC school.

App State is Lamb's only real black mark, winning just once in six years. You could also factor in his tendency to let his temper get to him or the fact that Furman likely should have gotten a National Title out of '04 or '05 but came up short.

I still think that Bobby is still a couple of bad years away from an actual hot seat.

Yea, I wish y'all would change coaches.

[blueballs]

In 6 years under Lamb, Furman hasn't had a losing season, made the playoffs four times, defeated Georgia Southern 3 times (to compare, we beat GSU 3 times during Johnson's entire HC career at Furman), Wofford 4 times, Citadel 5 times, etc. That's a better resume than every other coach in the conference not named Moore. In fact, if you take away Furman's '01 National Championship appearance, Lamb's and Johnson's resumes are very similar in terms of record, and that was good enough to get Johnson hired at an SEC school.

App State is Lamb's only real black mark, winning just once in six years. You could also factor in his tendency to let his temper get to him or the fact that Furman likely should have gotten a National Title out of '04 or '05 but came up short.

I still think that Bobby is still a couple of bad years away from an actual hot seat.

Plus he's a Furman "lifer," having played, assisted and ran the program. He's been successful on the field and off, his players tend to be good kids, graduate and win, and he's one of your own. You don't run guys like that off unless your name is Sam Baker.

[ButlerGSU]

YOU ARE A FOOL TAYLOR. THAT ONE PLAY WAS THE DIFFERENCE, AS WAS THE INJURY TO CADET DURAN LAWSON. WE HAVE A BETTER TEAM THAT YOU DO. NOW THAT FOSTER HAS GRADUATED, A RARE FEAT FOR AN EAGLET FROM PIGS ASS, YOU ARE THE SAME TEAM YOU WERE WHEN YOU HAD VAN GORDER. IN OTHER WORDS....

YOU SUCK AGAIN!

Citadel loses to Georgia Souther but believes they are better...

Only citdog could be so delusional

[fuEMO]

I think LarryBoy is right on. It's understandable that APP fans think BL should be on the hot seat and I'm sure it would be easy to find Furman fans that will bitch and moan about BL not winning the big game.

I also think it would take a major debacle for BL to be on the hot seat. And to put water on the flames by some of our GSU brothers BL knows football and he is very competitive and Furman will be very competitive in 08. Moore now gets credit for riding the new wave and now has three rings to show for it. I think BL is doing the same thing riding the new wave in his style. No huddle offense, mixing power and a vertical game.

All we've heard in this off-season is that Furman won't make adjustments and Furman can't play old-school option football and win. Well he's making adjustments big adjustments, kudos to him.

[citdog]

THE Citadel loses to Georgia Souther but believes they are better...

Only citdog could be so WONDERFULLY INSIGHTFUL AND SAGE!


THAT IS SO CORRECT!

[Saint3333]

I think LarryBoy is right on. It's understandable that APP fans think BL should be on the hot seat and I'm sure it would be easy to find Furman fans that will bitch and moan about BL not winning the big game.

I also think it would take a major debacle for BL to be on the hot seat. And to put water on the flames by some of our GSU brothers BL knows football and he is very competitive and Furman will be very competitive in 08. Moore now gets credit for riding the new wave and now has three rings to show for it. I think BL is doing the same thing riding the new wave in his style. No huddle offense, mixing power and a vertical game.

All we've heard in this off-season is that Furman won't make adjustments and Furman can't play old-school option football and win. Well he's making adjustments big adjustments, kudos to him.

I hope Bobby stays, ASU has never had this much success against Furman xsmiley_wix.

[OL FU]

I will throw my two cents in. My previous post was not meant to say that he is on the hot seat. But I do think mediocre seasons will not pass muster for Furman football. With that said, Lamb is competitive. The changes he is making is because he thinks it will improve football not because he thinks his job is in jeopardy. xnodx

blueballs is right. The caliber and quality of our student athletes are important factors at Furman. Bobby has recruited with that in mind and his graduation rate is almost second to nonexthumbsupx

[soweagle]

After being taunted by the GSU band and fans after the loss at Kidd Brewer last year, I think ASU will be ready to give em Hell!

Better than the band being booed by ASU fans while performing.

[soweagle]

YOU ARE A FOOL TAYLOR. THAT ONE PLAY WAS THE DIFFERENCE, AS WAS THE INJURY TO CADET DURAN LAWSON. WE HAVE A BETTER TEAM THAT YOU DO. NOW THAT FOSTER HAS GRADUATED, A RARE FEAT FOR AN EAGLET FROM PIGS ASS, YOU ARE THE SAME TEAM YOU WERE WHEN YOU HAD VAN GORDER. IN OTHER WORDS....




YOU SUCK AGAIN!

I have to agree with VMIjrdog regarding Lawson. If he did not get hurt, I'm not sure we would have won. On his final drive before injury, he started running the option and it seemed like they were gaining 5-10 yards a play.
We could not stop it.

[fjblair]

After being taunted by the GSU band and fans after the loss at Kidd Brewer last year, I think ASU will be ready to give em Hell!

Yeah I have been looking forward to this road game since last year. GSU fans were we encountered were pathetic. Sorry but that was my experience.

[PaladinFan]

Actually, I think the two schools with higher grad rates for football players than Furman were Davidson and some parachoical school. Needless to say we'd wipe the floor with both.

Furman will be better in 2008. I really really really don't see GSU being a better team losing their whole O-line, their best player, and their running back. I see the Eagles like in 2006 where they will only go as far as their defense takes them.

Again, people keep trying to sound the bell of Furman doom, but geeze people, we've been at this a while. You'd be hard pressed to find a team that has been consistently good for this long a time. GSU can't claim it, Wofford can't, App can't. This is going on 30 years we've been playing playoff calibre football. It isn't as if all the sudden the whole game past us by one day.

The Paladins will be there in the dogfight at the end. Just like they usually are. We have a very tough schedule, but our guys are battle tested, have won big games in tough spots. Ended the season playing as well as anyone in the country.

[citdog]

I have to agree with citdog regarding Lawson. If he did not get hurt, I'm not sure we would have won. On his final drive before injury, he started running the option and it seemed like they were gaining 5-10 yards a play.
We could not stop it.

finally a poster from gsu other than bobbythekid with a level head!

rep pts! the first i believe that are positive that i have ever handed out to an eagle.

[soweagle]

Yeah I have been looking forward to this road game since last year. GSU fans were we encountered were pathetic. Sorry but that was my experience.

The ASU fans our band encountered were pathetic.

[AppGrad06]

I am sure he knows that we expect to be better than 6-5.xnodx and at some point in time continuing that way will not be acceptable.

Defense is interesting. we have not had a good one sense '04. So changes were needed and I suppose time will tell if they are the correct ones.

Offense, it seems as if we are going to PASS. Even in the Martin days we were probably about 2/3 to 3/4 run. Seems like that may change significantly. Personally, I think this is a good adjustment to the talent we have. We have many excellent receivers in the line up from WR to TEs. We also will have an experienced line (possibly a couple of all conference guys) to block for a guy who can throw the ball.

I haven't been worred much about the offense in past years or this coming year. But the defense has to get better.

Oh how I loathed Ingel Martin. He ruined too many of my Saturdays.

[terrierbob]

Actually, I think the two schools with higher grad rates for football players than Furman were Davidson and some parachoical school. Needless to say we'd wipe the floor with both.

Furman will be better in 2008. I really really really don't see GSU being a better team losing their whole O-line, their best player, and their running back. I see the Eagles like in 2006 where they will only go as far as their defense takes them.

Again, people keep trying to sound the bell of Furman doom, but geeze people, we've been at this a while. You'd be hard pressed to find a team that has been consistently good for this long a time. GSU can't claim it, Wofford can't, App can't. This is going on 30 years we've been playing playoff calibre football. It isn't as if all the sudden the whole game past us by one day.

The Paladins will be there in the dogfight at the end. Just like they usually are. We have a very tough schedule, but our guys are battle tested, have won big games in tough spots. Ended the season playing as well as anyone in the country.


I'm really not sure why some think there is anything wrong with your fine program. xeyebrowx

[AppGrad06]

actually now that I think about it it was just the one, but it felt like more b/c he was always kicking our asses up and down the field.

[soweagle]

Is Ingle Martin still with Green Bay?

[OL FU]

Is Ingle Martin still with Green Bay?

Last I heard, Nashvillexnodx

[furman94]

Titans...He was on the sidelines in a playoff game...

[LarryBoy]

Yeah, Ingle was 1 for 3 against ASU. The first time he was outstanding, but it's hard to compete with Richie Williams' 28 in a row. The third time, it was just hard to deal with the voodoo.

[Saint3333]

Again, people keep trying to sound the bell of Furman doom, but geeze people, we've been at this a while. You'd be hard pressed to find a team that has been consistently good for this long a time. GSU can't claim it, Wofford can't, App can't. This is going on 30 years we've been playing playoff calibre football. It isn't as if all the sudden the whole game past us by one day.



Let's not get carried away, GSU and ASU can't claim it?xconfusedx

Since 1982 - the year the big 3 joined 1-AA:

GSU - 246-88-1 record, 16 playoff appearances with a 38-10 record

ASU - 215-101-2 record, 15 playoff appearances with a 20-12 record

Furman - 213-99-4 record, 15 playoff appearances with a 17-14 record

Both can claim it IMO.xtwocentsx

[Baldy]

H.V. means Honor Violation and you my brother in arms are an idiot. Getting on a mesage board with crap like that and smearing a good kid is beyond reproach and definitely conduct unbecoming.

FYI , the young man left in good standing. Yes, he did not have what it takes to become a Naval/MC Officer but there are many that fall into that category. Kids enroll into any of our fine Military institutions only to find out that football is not the reason they are there.

If you have proof of your comments Citidog then make them know. If not, and you were just experiencing diarrhea of the mouth, admit it. At least the kid qualified to attend a real Military Acad. and not a knock off. Carry On.
Semper Fi
Beau Vinetti
Annapolis, MD.

Rep points for you!!! xlolx xthumbsupx

[Baldy]

After being taunted by the GSU band and fans after the loss at Kidd Brewer last year, I think ASU will be ready to give em Hell!

Yeah, our 500-600 fans really had your 20,000+ running scared with all those "taunts". xlolx xnutsx

[Syntax Error]

... At least the kid qualified to attend a real Military Acad. and not a knock off...Are you saying that The Citadel (founded in 1842) is a knockoff of the US Naval Academy (founded in 1845)? That is factually wrong. The Citadel is a state-supported military university which also has a civilian student population and programs. The USNA is paid for by our taxes, the students don't pay a cent and actually get paid with our tax money.

Oh yeah, Navy gets regularly beat by FCS too.

[bobbythekidd]

finally a poster from gsu other than bobbythekid with a level head!
rep points are waiting.

xoutofrepx

[PaladinFan]

Let's not get carried away, GSU and ASU can't claim it?xconfusedx

Since 1982 - the year the big 3 joined 1-AA:

GSU - 246-88-1 record, 16 playoff appearances with a 38-10 record

ASU - 215-101-2 record, 15 playoff appearances with a 20-12 record

Furman - 213-99-4 record, 15 playoff appearances with a 17-14 record

Both can claim it IMO.xtwocentsx

My point is the last time Furman had a losing record was 1994. Before that? 1979.

I really was looking at much longer time period. FU has been playing winning football since before most of the teams in the SoCon even had programs.

[Saint3333]

My point is the last time Furman had a losing record was 1994. Before that? 1979.

I really was looking at much longer time period. FU has been playing winning football since before most of the teams in the SoCon even had programs.

I agree Furman has had a solid football program for a long time, but to state that ASU and GSU can't claim they haven't been the program Furman has just isn't factual. Furman will be a solid program in the future, but they may never be the program they were in the 1980's when they had 6 9+ win seasons.

[LarryBoy]

I agree to an extent. You certainly can't argue with the 9 National Championships between GSU and ASU, compared to Furman's 1. Georgia Southern's long-term success (to a greater extent than App State) is perhaps unparalleled in the short history of their program.

But one thing to remember: in the 80s, yes, Furman had 6 9+ win seasons. In the last 9 years, Furman has had 5 9+ win seasons. Not a huge difference. I would like to say that "The Paladin will rise again," but, in the context of the success of the entire program, I'm not sure it ever really fell.

[eaglesrthe1]

Yeah I have been looking forward to this road game since last year. GSU fans were we encountered were pathetic. Sorry but that was my experience.


It's just that you're so used to getting your chuckles at others expense these last several years. I'm sure that when your fans do it, it's just good natured ribbing, you know.. all in good fun. When the tables get turned however, it's in poor taste... how dare them. Losing leaves a sour taste and make the experience less enjoyable, and after all... it has to be somebodies fault that you didn't have a blast.xcoolx

So, it's gotta be the fault of them jackholes from GSU. xcoffeex

[AppGrad06]

If you're gonna dish it when you win, you gotta be able to take it when you lose!

That being said I've never really had a problem with anyones fans (I can taking a little ribbing). Sure there is the occasional over-inebriated soul who pukes on your shoes or does something overly obscene in front of a little kid, but those are just individuals.

[OL FU]

So, it's gotta be the fault of them jackholes from GSU. xcoffeex

If you can't blame Bush, then who is a better next in linexthumbsupx xsmiley_wix

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

I really really really don't see GSU being a better team losing their whole O-line, their best player, and their running back. I see the Eagles like in 2006 where they will only go as far as their defense takes them.

I think we are going to be better than people think. There's a few key differences between us this year and 2006. For one thing, the people that are currently running our offense are worlds more competent than the people that were running it in '06. Second, we should have a receiver corps made up of receivers rather than converted runningbacks. That should make a difference in the problems with catching that we have had in the past two seasons. Third, our players have a decent amount of experience with Hatchers offense, even if it was a "Fosterized" version of it.

The O-line should not be too much of a limiting factor, though it will probably make it very hard for us to move the ball against Georgia.

[PaladinFan]

I agree to an extent. You certainly can't argue with the 9 National Championships between GSU and ASU, compared to Furman's 1. Georgia Southern's long-term success (to a greater extent than App State) is perhaps unparalleled in the short history of their program.

But one thing to remember: in the 80s, yes, Furman had 6 9+ win seasons. In the last 9 years, Furman has had 5 9+ win seasons. Not a huge difference. I would like to say that "The Paladin will rise again," but, in the context of the success of the entire program, I'm not sure it ever really fell.

I suppose it's worth noting that Furman and App have both been to 3 national championships. Considering we are the only private school (and foreseeably the only still with a reasonable shot) is something to hang your hat on.

I will still contend that in 2005 Furman would have torched UNI just like App did. Damn ice patch.

[Touchdown Yosef]

I suppose it's worth noting that Furman and App have both been to 3 national championships. Considering we are the only private school (and foreseeably the only still with a reasonable shot) is something to hang your hat on.

I will still contend that in 2005 Furman would have torched UNI just like App did. Damn ice patch.

Wofford or Elon couldn't win a NC?

[terrierbob]

Wofford or Elon couldn't win a NC?

Thanks. xthumbsupx

[PaladinFan]

Wofford or Elon couldn't win a NC?

I'll give you Wofford. But are we really using "Elon" and "national championship" in the same sentence? Comeon now, they had their best season in years and still didn't make they playoffs.

[Touchdown Yosef]

I'll give you Wofford. But are we really using "Elon" and "national championship" in the same sentence? Comeon now, they had their best season in years and still didn't make they playoffs.

I am not anointing Elon as a legitimate national championship contender but I will probably have them as a preseason top 10. I am saying that it is possible. I would also say that I think Elon has a better shot at a NC than Furman based on proven players in a system they have returning this year.

I don't know how I forgot to include Richmond in this was well. I would say they are a potential top 5 team and are most definitely a NC contender. Seeing as how they were a semifinalist in 07. (As far as I know they are a private university, if not please disregard)

I am fully aware of Furman's exceptional accomplishments on the football field and their consistent level of play over many years, but claiming they are the only private school that will realistically compete for a NC is a bit naive. It is a little like saying Furman is the only school to maintain a certain level of success over a long period of time...

[furman94]

Get your balls out of a wad...

























































xpeacex xsmiley_wix

[PaladinFan]

I am not anointing Elon as a legitimate national championship contender but I will probably have them as a preseason top 10. I am saying that it is possible. I would also say that I think Elon has a better shot at a NC than Furman based on proven players in a system they have returning this year.

I don't know how I forgot to include Richmond in this was well. I would say they are a potential top 5 team and are most definitely a NC contender. Seeing as how they were a semifinalist in 07. (As far as I know they are a private university, if not please disregard)

I am fully aware of Furman's exceptional accomplishments on the football field and their consistent level of play over many years, but claiming they are the only private school that will realistically compete for a NC is a bit naive. It is a little like saying Furman is the only school to maintain a certain level of success over a long period of time...

First off, you're right. There are a few other schools that can be called contenders. Furman is still one of only three private schools to make the title game and the only one to win it. I still can't give you Elon. We beat them last year and they don't play defense.

You can take my comment about the level of success as far out of context as you would like. Again, my point is that people like to trumpet the demise of Furman football (be that through Bobby Lamb, or slow offense, or whatever) the past two seasons. People give Georgia Southern the benefit of the doubt because they are GSU and seem to say Furman is washed up.

I'm merely here stating that there are precious few football programs that have sustained the level of success that Furman has had for as long as they have had it. If you want to interpret that as somehow slamming everyother program, well, that's your red wagon.

[soweagle]

First off, you're right. There are a few other schools that can be called contenders. Furman is still one of only three private schools to make the title game and the only one to win it. I still can't give you Elon. We beat them last year and they don't play defense.

You can take my comment about the level of success as far out of context as you would like. Again, my point is that people like to trumpet the demise of Furman football (be that through Bobby Lamb, or slow offense, or whatever) the past two seasons. People give Georgia Southern the benefit of the doubt because they are GSU and seem to say Furman is washed up.

I'm merely here stating that there are precious few football programs that have sustained the level of success that Furman has had for as long as they have had it. If you want to interpret that as somehow slamming everyother program, well, that's your red wagon.

If you had merely stated that Furman has sustained a level of success few have attained it would not be disputed. You might not have slammed GSU and ASU but you are implying that Furmans program over the years is better. You call out two schools but expect us to interpret your context differently?

[AppMan]

REMEMBER THIS IS THE APPIDIOT FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE SWAMI HERE. HE'S LIKE 16 YEARS OLD AND WOULD TOTALLY **** JERRY MOORE IF MOORE ASKED HIM TO.\

Actually he's more like 23, did not graduate from ASU, and is not nearly as enamored with JM as you make him out to be.

[AppMan]

Better than the band being booed by ASU fans while performing.

Let's be a little more clear about this situation. This was not just an indiscriminate act of bad sportsmanship on the part of ASU's students. Your band was booed during their post game performance, but only after a good number of the Marching Eaglets flipped off and taunted our fans as they assembled in front of our sideline.

[AppMan]

Is Ingle Martin still with Green Bay?

He didn't make beyond the second cut.

[OL FU]

He didn't make beyond the second cut.

Not true. He was on the roster ( saw very little action) in 06. As stated on the Titans Roster in 07.

[AppMan]

Not true. He was on the roster ( saw very little action) in 06. As stated on the Titans Roster in 07.

As a long time Packer fan I know what I speak of. He was on the '06 preseason roster and cut after the next to last preseason game. He played in one preseason game, took 4 snaps, had zero passes, and 2 rushes for -5 yards.

[Touchdown Yosef]

Not true. He was on the roster ( saw very little action) in 06. As stated on the Titans Roster in 07.

Send him to the Panthers, they need all the help they can get at QB.

[OL FU]

As a long time Packer fan I know what I speak of. He was on the '06 preseason roster and cut after the next to last preseason game. He played in one preseason game, took 4 snaps, had zero passes, and 2 rushes for -5 yards.

Ok I will take your word for it, since I could care less about the packers but I could have sworn he was on the 2006 roster all year.

[OL FU]

Send him to the Panthers, they need all the help they can get at QB.

I realize that wikipedia is not the best source. But they agree with me. I still think you are wrong:p xsmiley_wix

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingle_Martin


He was selected in the fifth round of the 2006 NFL Draft out of Furman University and made the Packer roster as the third-string QB behind Aaron Rodgers and long standing veteran Brett Favre. On August 24, 2007, he was released by the Packers

[OL FU]

As a long time Packer fan I know what I speak of. He was on the '06 preseason roster and cut after the next to last preseason game. He played in one preseason game, took 4 snaps, had zero passes, and 2 rushes for -5 yards.

I realize that wikipedia is not the best source. But they agree with me. I still think you are wrong:p xsmiley_wix

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingle_Martin


He was selected in the fifth round of the 2006 NFL Draft out of Furman University and made the Packer roster as the third-string QB behind Aaron Rodgers and long standing veteran Brett Favre. On August 24, 2007, he was released by the Packers

That means he was on the roster all of 2006xnodx

[soweagle]

Let's be a little more clear about this situation. This was not just an indiscriminate act of bad sportsmanship on the part of ASU's students. Your band was booed during their post game performance, but only after a good number of the Marching Eaglets flipped off and taunted our fans as they assembled in front of our sideline.

I heard the flipping began after taunting and you claim the taunting started after the flipping off. How about we just agree both sides acted like they from Marshall?:D

[ElonPride]

As a long time Packer fan I know what I speak of. He was on the '06 preseason roster and cut after the next to last preseason game. He played in one preseason game, took 4 snaps, had zero passes, and 2 rushes for -5 yards.

Do you remember Rich McGeorge? All pro WR and an Elon grad.......:D

[fjblair]

It's just that you're so used to getting your chuckles at others expense these last several years. I'm sure that when your fans do it, it's just good natured ribbing, you know.. all in good fun. When the tables get turned however, it's in poor taste... how dare them. Losing leaves a sour taste and make the experience less enjoyable, and after all... it has to be somebodies fault that you didn't have a blast.xcoolx

So, it's gotta be the fault of them jackholes from GSU. xcoffeex

Whatever chief. I guess I just misinterpreted the ol GSU school spirit. Must be sour grapes on my part. See you in the fall.

xlolx

[LarryBoy]

Ingle played the last series of the last game of Green Bay's 2006 regular season. I remember this very vividly, as well as kept up with his progress on the team all year. Ingle was there all of 2006. Fact.

[whoanellie]

Do you remember Rich McGeorge? All pro WR and an Elon grad.......:D
make sure you get it right....
McGeorge was a 2 time All-American @Elon but played Tight-End set all time receiving records, Also played basketball and baseball.
1st round (18th) draft pick of the Packers and was a starter for 10 years #81. Packers Offensive MVP several times.
coached on the collegiate and pro levels for several years.

[phoenix3]

There was actually a rumor that McGeorge was in the running for the Elon job prior to Lembo getting the nod.

[Baldy]

Let's be a little more clear about this situation. This was not just an indiscriminate act of bad sportsmanship on the part of ASU's students. Your band was booed during their post game performance, but only after a good number of the Marching Eaglets flipped off and taunted our fans as they assembled in front of our sideline.

Yes, lets be a little more clear. The undeniable FACT is that the Appy fans were booing our band from the beginning until the end of their halftime performance.

After such shameful behavior, any one fingered salutes given to your fans during the band's post game performance were richly deserved. Icing on the cake if you will. xlolx xpeacex

[AppStFan76]

Yes, lets be a little more clear. The undeniable FACT is that the Appy fans were booing our band from the beginning until the end of their halftime performance.

After such shameful behavior, any one fingered salutes given to your fans during the band's post game performance were richly deserved. Icing on the cake if you will. xlolx xpeacex

I didnt make it to the game, but if people were booing the GSU band the entire time they were playing, then a one fingered salute was justified. I never realy get all that bent out of shape over taunting and such when a team has just beaten another. Its hard to contain excitement in a situation like that, and it usualy come out as being rude and saying stupid things to the other teams fans. You have to consider the circumstances.

I'm sure more than a few App fans have been a little unrulely at timesxsmiley_wix

[PaladinFan]

I didnt make it to the game, but if people were booing the GSU band the entire time they were playing, then a one fingered salute was justified. I never realy get all that bent out of shape over taunting and such when a team has just beaten another. Its hard to contain excitement in a situation like that, and it usualy come out as being rude and saying stupid things to the other teams fans. You have to consider the circumstances.

I'm sure more than a few App fans have been a little unrulely at timesxsmiley_wix

the fat kid wearing overalls with no shirt and no shoes waving an ASU flag at me in 2004 comes to mind. xlolx

[furman94]

I remember the same kid! Who woulda thunk it?

[ASU]

the fat kid wearing overalls with no shirt and no shoes waving an ASU flag at me in 2004 comes to mind. xlolx

i AM NUT FAT....JUST GUT BIG JEANS

and Gut

Or as Cartman, South Park, would say, "Oi Im Not Fat, Im Festively Plump" -or-
"Im Not Fat, Im Big Boned." I know, the last one makes you jealous.

(Seriously do not know who you guys are talking about.)

[neersnbeers]

I was at that game (50yrd line, visitors side) and very clearly remember a little guy carrying a flute down the sideline flipping off our group. After my 6 year old niece's mouth dropped I explained "its ok Ashley, their from Georgia, they can't help it".

[appsfan]

Yes, lets be a little more clear. The undeniable FACT is that the Appy fans were booing our band from the beginning until the end of their halftime performance.

After such shameful behavior, any one fingered salutes given to your fans during the band's post game performance were richly deserved. Icing on the cake if you will. xlolx xpeacex


The undeniable fact is that App fans weren't booing your band the whole time they played. I was at the game and that did not happen.xnonox

[HighRyder08]

did anybody see that GSU band member get hit in the face with a water bottle thrown from the stands? i really thought something was about to go down when they set up shop on our field after the game and started playing their fight song to us.....i have never been so mad in my life

[Eyes of Old Main]

Yes, lets be a little more clear. The undeniable FACT is that the Appy fans were booing our band from the beginning until the end of their halftime performance.

After such shameful behavior, any one fingered salutes given to your fans during the band's post game performance were richly deserved. Icing on the cake if you will. xlolx xpeacex

I can't comment on what happened at the GSU/App game, but I can comment on the GSU fans chanting "GSU, GSU, GSU" during the NATIONAL ANTHEM at the Wofford/GSU game this past fall because I was there. It's one thing to cheer against an opponent, but to cheer over top of the National Anthem is disrespectful on many levels. It wasn't just a few fans either. I was enough to be clearly audible from the other side of the stadium. Pathetic...

[furman94]

Not nearly as bad as ... The Marsha Blundering Turds

[neersnbeers]

^^^ hahahaha

[Maroons]

Fearless prediction sure to go wrong:
Samford will win a share of the regular season SoCon title!

[furman94]

I agree 100%! lol

[PaladinFan]

Y'all are sounding like a bunch of whiners who get their feelings hurt. It's rivalry football. Stuff happens.

If you get upset because GSU played their fightsong at the ASU fans at Kidd Brewer (where the Eagle fans were probably outnumbered 10 to 1) you clearly have not been to Paulson.

These kinda things just make it that much sweeter when you win.

[Baldy]

The undeniable fact is that App fans weren't booing your band the whole time they played. I was at the game and that did not happen.xnonox

I was there too and you fans started booing when the band started walking onto the field. I know the truth can hurt sometimes, but that is what happened, sorry. xnodx

[AppStFan76]

This thread needs to be renamed to " Did App fans boo the GSU band when they played in 07'?"

[ButlerGSU]

I was too busy waiting in the concession trailer line at App State in '07 to know if they were booing our band our not. Besides the App students tearing down their own goalpost during the regular season after beating GSU one year (and then ramming them through our bus windows), the only real poor display I've seen from App fans was after they beat UNI in Chatty. In particular, I remember the students running over to the UNI fans and giving us all the finger (my seat was on the UNI side that year). There was this one @sshole wearing a pink rabbit suit who was especially crude. Other than that they were pretty good when they came down to Paulson in 2006, not sure if it was because the game went into double overtime or what.

[terrierbob]

This thread needs to be renamed to " Did App fans boo the GSU band when they played in 07'?"


Did App fans boo the GSU band? When?

[DLS]

I was too busy waiting in the concession trailer line at App State in '07 to know if they were booing our band our not. Besides the App students tearing down their own goalpost during the regular season after beating GSU one year (and then ramming them through our bus windows), the only real poor display I've seen from App fans was after they beat UNI in Chatty. In particular, I remember the students running over to the UNI fans and giving us all the finger (my seat was on the UNI side that year). There was this one @sshole wearing a pink rabbit suit who was especially crude. Other than that they were pretty good when they came down to Paulson in 2006, not sure if it was because the game went into double overtime or what.

ah good times.

[AppStFan76]

Did App fans boo the GSU band? When?

Thats what I've heard!!xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Eaglesrus]

I was too busy waiting in the concession trailer line at App State in '07 to know if they were booing our band our not.

Thanks for reminding me! I have been wondering why I don't remember the whole booing thing, and now you've jogged my memory. I spent halftime, and about three minutes into the second half, split between waiting in lines at the "restroom" and the concession trailer. I now remember telling my wife that I hoped that would be the best coke she'd ever had.

[AppAlum2003]

Thanks for reminding me! I have been wondering why I don't remember the whole booing thing, and now you've jogged my memory. I spent halftime, and about three minutes into the second half, split between waiting in lines at the "restroom" and the concession trailer. I now remember telling my wife that I hoped that would be the best coke she'd ever had.

Sorry, when you set record attendance figures, things like long lines are going to happen. xwhistlex

[OL FU]

As a long time Packer fan I know what I speak of. He was on the '06 preseason roster and cut after the next to last preseason game. He played in one preseason game, took 4 snaps, had zero passes, and 2 rushes for -5 yards.

I think you have now lost credibility. It will take you years to rebuild that sense of trust that you might have at one time ownedxnodx


You should give upxlolx

[Jiggs]

Fearless prediction sure to go wrong:
Samford will win a share of the regular season SoCon title!


That door must have really hurt on our way out.xwhistlex

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

xlolx xlolx

It's great to have (at least some of) the 'ole Socon gang rantin' and ramblin' in a thread again. We have the best smack threads and game week threads, no?

[Jerbearasu]

xlolx xlolx

It's great to have (at least some of) the 'ole Socon gang rantin' and ramblin' in a thread again. We have the best smack threads and game week threads, no?

I suppose it comes with having the best conference...

[ButlerGSU]

Sorry, when you set record attendance figures, things like long lines are going to happen. xwhistlex

The port-o-potties and concession trailers were there long before attendance was at issue...xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AppStFan76]

The port-o-potties and concession trailers were there long before attendance was at issue...xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

Soon to be a problem of the past

[Erks Eagles]

GS has terrible fans. App State has terrible fans. Period. I've seen GS fans do some embarassing things to opposing fans. I've seen App State fans do some terrible things to GS fans.

Unfortunately that is life when it comes to college football. If you think your school doesn't have the knuckleheads, then you live under a rock. None of this makes it right, but we are all guilty by association.

The problem with all this is the more fans you have, the more evident this behavior is. 10% of anyones fans are bad. If GS has 20k at a game, 2k will be idiots. If Wofford has 5k at a game 500 will be idiots.

[elcid96]

GS has terrible fans. App State has terrible fans. Period. I've seen GS fans do some embarassing things to opposing fans. I've seen App State fans do some terrible things to GS fans.

Unfortunately that is life when it comes to college football. If you think your school doesn't have the knuckleheads, then you live under a rock. None of this makes it right, but we are all guilty by association.

The problem with all this is the more fans you have, the more evident this behavior is. 10% of anyones fans are bad. If GS has 20k at a game, 2k will be idiots. If Wofford has 5k at a game 500 will be idiots.

This is generally true unless you are referencing App State or GSU, then the numbers are reversed. 90% are knuckleheads and 10% are non-knuckleheads (usually the visitors or children under 3).xlolx xlolx

[Eaglesrus]

This is generally true unless you are referencing App State or GSU, then the numbers are reversed. 90% are knuckleheads and 10% are non-knuckleheads (usually the visitors or children under 3).xlolx xlolx

You know, jealousy is truly an ugly thing.

[terrierbob]

GS has terrible fans. App State has terrible fans. Period. I've seen GS fans do some embarassing things to opposing fans. I've seen App State fans do some terrible things to GS fans.

Unfortunately that is life when it comes to college football. If you think your school doesn't have the knuckleheads, then you live under a rock. None of this makes it right, but we are all guilty by association.

The problem with all this is the more fans you have, the more evident this behavior is. 10% of anyones fans are bad. If GS has 20k at a game, 2k will be idiots. If Wofford has 5k at a game 500 will be idiots.

350-400.

[ButlerGSU]

You know, jealousy is truly an ugly thing.

Now, now...Citadel fans can claim to have very well controlled crowds at football games.

(I mean, where theres nothing to cheer for - how can you get rowdy? xlolx )

[OL FU]

Now, now...Citadel fans can claim to have very well controlled crowds at football games.

(I mean, where theres nothing to cheer for - how can you get rowdy? xlolx )

They are ordered to cheerxnodx

[Appinator]

I was too busy waiting in the concession trailer line at App State in '07 to know if they were booing our band our not. Besides the App students tearing down their own goalpost during the regular season after beating GSU one year (and then ramming them through our bus windows), the only real poor display I've seen from App fans was after they beat UNI in Chatty. In particular, I remember the students running over to the UNI fans and giving us all the finger (my seat was on the UNI side that year). There was this one @sshole wearing a pink rabbit suit who was especially crude. Other than that they were pretty good when they came down to Paulson in 2006, not sure if it was because the game went into double overtime or what.

I was running along side of everyone when we tore down the goal post at that game my freshman year, and it was definitely not on purpose when the goal post went through the bus. In fact it might be the only time I've ever heard 2k screaming people go "ohhh nooo" and then silent at one time. It was kind of like in the Christmas Story where Ralphy drops the f-bomb in slow motion. I think it even got caught on the door of the bus after they got it out of the window, causing more damage.

That had to have been one of the angriest bus rides home ever for that team and coaching staff.

I have been a reader on here for a long time, and I can't really think of any other schools having stories like these at all. Either everyone else (other FCS schools) must take football way too lightly, or we (SoCon members) are all just a bunch of over-zealous football rednecks with a blood alcohol percentage that is a direct negative correlation to our relative GPA's. Whichever may be the case, I can't wait for the season to begin.

[ButlerGSU]

I was running along side of everyone when we tore down the goal post at that game my freshman year, and it was definitely not on purpose when the goal post went through the bus. In fact it might be the only time I've ever heard 2k screaming people go "ohhh nooo" and then silent at one time. It was kind of like in the Christmas Story where Ralphy drops the f-bomb in slow motion. I think it even got caught on the door of the bus after they got it out of the window, causing more damage.

That had to have been one of the angriest bus rides home ever for that team and coaching staff.

I have been a reader on here for a long time, and I can't really think of any other schools having stories like these at all. Either everyone else (other FCS schools) must take football way too lightly, or we (SoCon members) are all just a bunch of over-zealous football rednecks with a blood alcohol percentage that is a direct negative correlation to our relative GPA's. Whichever may be the case, I can't wait for the season to begin.

What are you talking about? The game was in Boone.

[Touchdown Yosef]

What are you talking about? The game was in Boone.

Yea, I'm pretty sure he is aware of that as he attended and so did I. I am also sure that the long bus ride home was in refference to who ever had to ride home from boone to statesboro on a bus with a broken window.

[Appinator]

What are you talking about? The game was in Boone.

Pretty obvious there, try reading it slower....

[PaladinFan]

They are ordered to cheerxnodx

except at half time.

[fcsfootball71]

i wonder how the samford fans can smack.....they are with the big boys now! :D

[AppGrad06]

Yea, I'm pretty sure he is aware of that as he attended and so did I. I am also sure that the long bus ride home was in refference to who ever had to ride home from boone to statesboro on a bus with a broken window.

App actually loaned them one of our buses. I think the Watuaga Rescue ambulance was damaged as well if I'm not mistaken. After that game they started taking down the goal posts early and then sent security out to guard them after a big win. That has since stopped thank God. It was so stupid. I remember one time they lowered one too early and had raise it back up.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

GS has terrible fans. App State has terrible fans. Period. I've seen GS fans do some embarassing things to opposing fans. I've seen App State fans do some terrible things to GS fans.

Unfortunately that is life when it comes to college football. If you think your school doesn't have the knuckleheads, then you live under a rock. None of this makes it right, but we are all guilty by association.

The problem with all this is the more fans you have, the more evident this behavior is. 10% of anyones fans are bad. If GS has 20k at a game, 2k will be idiots. If Wofford has 5k at a game 500 will be idiots.

You are right, GSU and ASU are the worst. The reason for that is that 95% of your rude fans are going to be students, and I would be willing to bet that both GSU and ASU by themselves (if you exclude the other) have a higher average student homegame attendance than the rest of the conference combined. The same would most likely apply to traveling students, also. Granted the GSU experience is probably the worse of the two, but that is because the students sit behind the opposing teams bench and next to the opposing team's fans (when the stadium was built in the '80s, our enrollment was about a third of what it is now).

And I promise you that this kind of crap is much worse in a football game between two big FBS schools. Tell me a bad story about going to Boone or Statesboro for a football game, and I will show you someone who has several stories from say, a Georgia-Florida or Alabama-Auburn game that are much worse.

[Eyes of Old Main]

i wonder how the samford fans can smack.....they are with the big boys now! :D

That's an interesting question, I suppose...

[Touchdown Yosef]

i wonder how the samford fans can smack.....they are with the big boys now! :D

Samford has fans?

[ButlerGSU]

Samford has fans?

This is the first I've heard of them.

[DLS]

its a football game not a swim meet. fans are suppose to be rude. adds to the flavor.

[OLDMAIN80]

GS has terrible fans. App State has terrible fans. Period. I've seen GS fans do some embarassing things to opposing fans. I've seen App State fans do some terrible things to GS fans.

Unfortunately that is life when it comes to college football. If you think your school doesn't have the knuckleheads, then you live under a rock. None of this makes it right, but we are all guilty by association.

The problem with all this is the more fans you have, the more evident this behavior is. 10% of anyones fans are bad. If GS has 20k at a game, 2k will be idiots. If Wofford has 5k at a game 500 will be idiots.

I should take exception to the Wofford referencexoopsx but it is close. I realize we do not come close to the attendence numbers of other SOCON schools, but I like to think it is quality not quantity. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[OL FU]

I should take exception to the Wofford referencexoopsx but it is close. I realize we do not come close to the attendence numbers of other SOCON schools, but I like to think it is quality not quantity. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

I will stick up from my small private college brethren. There are no idiot Furman or Wofford fansxsmhx

However, we both have a few arrogant asshole typesxsmiley_wix xlolx:o

[WCU LawCat]

At Western our student section can get out of hand at times...but as alums we have kinda put up with it lately because the student support and attendance has grown a lot.

[Touchdown Yosef]

At Western our student section can get out of hand at times...but as alums we have kinda put up with it lately because the student support and attendance has grown a lot.

That says a lot for your program and it's support if you have increased your attendance in the down years.

[furman94]

I should take exception to the Wofford referencexoopsx but it is close. I realize we do not come close to the attendence numbers of other SOCON schools, but I like to think it is quality not quantity. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

Amen to that! FU has a few more butts in seats than Wofford, but 15,000 for a great game can't hold a candle to The Citadel's 21,000 for Webber International School of Grills for the Blind, Deaf, and Autistic!

[terrierbob]

Amen to that! FU has a few more butts in seats than Wofford, but 15,000 for a great game can't hold a candle to The Citadel's 21,000 for Webber International School of Grills for the Blind, Deaf, and Auistic!

My sister is blind, deaf, and autistic.

[Eyes of Old Main]

Amen to that! FU has a few more butts in seats than Wofford, but 15,000 for a great game can't hold a candle to The Citadel's 21,000 for Webber International School of Grills for the Blind, Deaf, and Autistic!

Things get out of hand when Webber comes to town.

[Eyes of Old Main]

So many things go into how many fans a school can draw. Size of student body, number of alums, population of the surrounding area, on field results, tradition, and many other things are all variable.

Wofford doesn't draw as many as GSU, ASU, Furman or El Cid, but considering we are close to larger schools (South Carolina and Clemson) and have so few alums, I think we do pretty well.

If we have 13,000 living alums and 8,500 in attendence, that's pretty good. How many living alums does GSU and ASU have relative to their attendence? I bet Wofford has a higher ratio.

[furman94]

Yeah, This is why Greenville, one of the largest metros in the state, chooses to go to Clemson over Furman games any day... Ugh

[Rowdy]

So many things go into how many fans a school can draw. Size of student body, number of alums, population of the surrounding area, on field results, tradition, and many other things are all variable.

Wofford doesn't draw as many as GSU, ASU, Furman or El Cid, but considering we are close to larger schools (South Carolina and Clemson) and have so few alums, I think we do pretty well.

If we have 13,000 living alums and 8,500 in attendence, that's pretty good. How many living alums does GSU and ASU have relative to their attendence? I bet Wofford has a higher ratio.

Eyes, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll bet the pay check that Wofford has a larger attendance based on living alumni (8,500 +/- vs 16,000, that's a 1 to 2 ratio, i.e., 1 fan in the seat to 2 living alumni) than any other college/university in the SoCon. I'm guessing Appy and GSU would have to have greater than 50,000 average to beat us. FU and The Citadel, probably 20/25,000. Elon, maybe 30,000. Western and Chatty aren't even in the running until they get their programs back to respectability. I understand Samford doesn't even draw a decent baseball size crowd.

[furman94]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Furman holds that title Rowdy.

[CID1990]

Eyes, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'll bet the pay check that Wofford has a larger attendance based on living alumni (8,500 +/- vs 16,000, that's a 1 to 2 ratio, i.e., 1 fan in the seat to 2 living alumni) than any other college/university in the SoCon. I'm guessing Appy and GSU would have to have greater than 50,000 average to beat us. FU and The Citadel, probably 20/25,000. Elon, maybe 30,000. Western and Chatty aren't even in the running until they get their programs back to respectability. I understand Samford doesn't even draw a decent baseball size crowd.

You gave us double the numbers. We have about 20,000 living alumni. GSU has the best average attendance, but we fall right behind them and have been in the top 20 nationally for the last several years. We had even bigger attendance averages in the late 80's and early 90's.

As for the ratio of attendance to living alumni, we would only need to put 10,000 butts in the seats on average to have a 1:2 ratio. I think we average about 16-17,000 over the last few years.

http://www.citadelsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&&SPSID=43262&SPID=3837&DB_OEM_ID=9700&ATCLID=454873

[Kill'em]

After being taunted by the GSU band and fans after the loss at Kidd Brewer last year, I think ASU will be ready to give em Hell!

If App St relies on revenge on the band for motivation, then App is in trouble.

[CID1990]

You are right, GSU and ASU are the worst. The reason for that is that 95% of your rude fans are going to be students, and I would be willing to bet that both GSU and ASU by themselves (if you exclude the other) have a higher average student homegame attendance than the rest of the conference combined. The same would most likely apply to traveling students, also. Granted the GSU experience is probably the worse of the two, but that is because the students sit behind the opposing teams bench and next to the opposing team's fans (when the stadium was built in the '80s, our enrollment was about a third of what it is now).

And I promise you that this kind of crap is much worse in a football game between two big FBS schools. Tell me a bad story about going to Boone or Statesboro for a football game, and I will show you someone who has several stories from say, a Georgia-Florida or Alabama-Auburn game that are much worse.

When it comes to bush league fans, games at GSU and ASU are amateur night compared to the Marshall Thundering Turd.

[Kill'em]

I was running along side of everyone when we tore down the goal post at that game my freshman year, and it was definitely not on purpose when the goal post went through the bus. In fact it might be the only time I've ever heard 2k screaming people go "ohhh nooo" and then silent at one time. It was kind of like in the Christmas Story where Ralphy drops the f-bomb in slow motion. I think it even got caught on the door of the bus after they got it out of the window, causing more damage.

That had to have been one of the angriest bus rides home ever for that team and coaching staff.

I have been a reader on here for a long time, and I can't really think of any other schools having stories like these at all. Either everyone else (other FCS schools) must take football way too lightly, or we (SoCon members) are all just a bunch of over-zealous football rednecks with a blood alcohol percentage that is a direct negative correlation to our relative GPA's. Whichever may be the case, I can't wait for the season to begin.

To tell you the truth, I would have loved to have seen it. I would have laughed my butt off watching them lose control of the goalpost. xlolx

[Rowdy]

You gave us double the numbers. We have about 20,000 living alumni. GSU has the best average attendance, but we fall right behind them and have been in the top 20 nationally for the last several years. We had even bigger attendance averages in the late 80's and early 90's.

As for the ratio of attendance to living alumni, we would only need to put 10,000 butts in the seats on average to have a 1:2 ratio. I think we average about 16-17,000 over the last few years.

http://www.citadelsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&&SPSID=43262&SPID=3837&DB_OEM_ID=9700&ATCLID=454873

OK, if your 20,000 living alumni is corect, guess I lost the pay check. I've always admired The Citadel and what it stood for. Good job.

[AppGrad06]

You gave us double the numbers. We have about 20,000 living alumni. GSU has the best average attendance, but we fall right behind them and have been in the top 20 nationally for the last several years. We had even bigger attendance averages in the late 80's and early 90's.

As for the ratio of attendance to living alumni, we would only need to put 10,000 butts in the seats on average to have a 1:2 ratio. I think we average about 16-17,000 over the last few years.


Not the past three years, ASU has held that honnor.

'05 ASU #5 nationally (17,917) next SoCon team was GSU at #6(16,241) El Cid #21
'06 ASU #3 nationally (20,546) next was GSU at #8 (15,612) El Cid #12
'07 ASU #1 nationally (24,218)


'05 http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/attendance/2005/2005_football_attendance.pdf
'06 http://www.scribd.com/doc/334171/2006-National-College-Football-Attendance-NCAA
'07 http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/home?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Assocation-wide/Football+attendance+soars+again+-+02-08-08+NCAA+News

[AppGrad06]

We have almost 88,500 (I assume living) according to our alumni page

[Kill'em]

When it comes to bush league fans, games at GSU and ASU are amateur night compared to the Marshall Thundering Turd.

I have heard a lot of bad things about Marshall's fans but I haven't noticed it. What makes them so bad?

[CID1990]

I have heard a lot of bad things about Marshall's fans but I haven't noticed it. What makes them so bad?

They weren't very badly behaved on the road (at least not at El Cid) but in Huntington they were positively atrocious. Maybe when they traveled to away games the really nasty fans couldn't read maps or something so they stayed in Huntington. I don't know.

They throw things, they spit, they cut the headset wires from the press box and are just generally obnoxious.

Imagine if the Cameron Crazies were all a bunch of West Virginia hicks and that's Marshall fans.

[CID1990]

Not the past three years, ASU has held that honnor.

'05 ASU #5 nationally (17,917) next SoCon team was GSU at #6(16,241) El Cid #21
'06 ASU #3 nationally (20,546) next was GSU at #8 (15,612) El Cid #12
'07 ASU #1 nationally (24,218)


'05 http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/attendance/2005/2005_football_attendance.pdf
'06 http://www.scribd.com/doc/334171/2006-National-College-Football-Attendance-NCAA
'07 http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/home?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2008/Assocation-wide/Football+attendance+soars+again+-+02-08-08+NCAA+News

I stand corrected, how time flies.... the last time I thought about it was a few years ago and I remembered GSU being at the top in the SoCon.

I think we do pretty well in attendance considering the trouble we have had since Taaffe left.

[PaladinFan]

I stand corrected, how time flies.... the last time I thought about it was a few years ago and I remembered GSU being at the top in the SoCon.

I think we do pretty well in attendance considering the trouble we have had since Taaffe left.

the third largest crowd in Paulson history showed up to see Furman win in 2007 xsmiley_wix

[jonmac]

I have heard a lot of bad things about Marshall's fans but I haven't noticed it. What makes them so bad?

They have student section behind the visitor's sideline on the end closest to the fieldhouse. Going to and from the field is like running the gauntlet. A hint for if your team ever plays there...have a good looking female manager go out to the most popular night spot in town on Friday night and participate in the "make your own bikini" contest and the fans will ease up on your guys just a little bit. xsmiley_wix

[OL FU]

They weren't very badly behaved on the road (at least not at El Cid) but in Huntington they were positively atrocious. Maybe when they traveled to away games the really nasty fans couldn't read maps or something so they stayed in Huntington. I don't know.

They throw things, they spit, they cut the headset wires from the press box and are just generally obnoxious.

Imagine if the Cameron Crazies were all a bunch of West Virginia hicks and that's Marshall fans.

I can confirm this postxnodx

[PaladinFan]

They have student section behind the visitor's sideline on the end closest to the fieldhouse. Going to and from the field is like running the gauntlet. A hint for if your team ever plays there...have a good looking female manager go out to the most popular night spot in town on Friday night and participate in the "make your own bikini" contest and the fans will ease up on your guys just a little bit. xsmiley_wix

we had a running thread on our forum where we "toasted" every Marshall loss in 2007. It's been, what, 12 years since they were in the SoCon. Older fans h-a-t-e-d them.

[OL FU]

we had a running thread on our forum where we "toasted" every Marshall loss in 2007. It's been, what, 12 years since they were in the SoCon. Older fans h-a-t-e-d them.

I think you just called me old:p :o xlolx xsmiley_wix

[jonmac]

we had a running thread on our forum where we "toasted" every Marshall loss in 2007. It's been, what, 12 years since they were in the SoCon. Older fans h-a-t-e-d them.

Yeah, we hated the Herd even more than we hate you guys.xsmiley_wix xwhistlex

But I think GSU has taken Marshall's place pretty well. And Eagle fans, you should take pride in that. Marshall worked very hard at it. xpeacex

[furman94]

Nah, I'll say that GSU fans are as bad as Marsha fans when I see a little girl flick me off and say **** Furman while sitting on her hick paw's lap. As a teen, I traveled to most FU away games, and lordy! Marsha fans threw D cell batteries at the players, and beer bottles at the fans. Marsha is the WORST! (I am waiting for the day when our two fine institutions schedule a game, and the Paladin Nation shows up in Hickington, WV for some sweet revenge!)

[jonmac]

To clarify my earlier post, GSU has taken over as being hated by App fans worse than Furman, not in being as bad as Marshall fans. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even the Eagle faithful.

[furman94]

I'll always hate GSU, but I can never soften up to APP!

[AppGrad06]

I'll always hate GSU, but I can never soften up to APP!

wouldn't want you too b/c then I might feel bad when we beat the pants off of you guysxsmiley_wix

[elcid96]

Amen to that! FU has a few more butts in seats than Wofford, but 15,000 for a great game can't hold a candle to The Citadel's 21,000 for Webber International School of Grills for the Blind, Deaf, and Autistic!

Even I will admit that Webber is a game we should not play. I would rather beat Furman twice in the same year then play Webber.

[furman94]

That makes NO sense elcid... Playing Webber would be a bad thing, so why would beating FU twice in a year be a bad thing ? Just sayin! :D

[elcid96]

That makes NO sense elcid... Playing Webber would be a bad thing, so why would beating FU twice in a year be a bad thing ? Just sayin! :D

Beating Furman twice in one year would be a great thing. ;)

[Longrifle]

I'll always hate GSU, but I can never soften up to APP!

The feelings are definately mutual. LOL

[SoCon48]

I'll always hate GSU, but I can never soften up to APP!
I don't hate Furman. As a matter of fact, I have some love...I just love to watch LambChops throw fits.xcoffeex

[BULLDOG8180]

Yeah, we hated the Herd even more than we hate you guys.xsmiley_wix xwhistlex

But I think GSU has taken Marshall's place pretty well. And Eagle fans, you should take pride in that. Marshall worked very hard at it. xpeacex

I was thinking the same thing!xsmiley_wix

[SideLine Shooter]

I don't hate Furman. As a matter of fact, I have some love...I just love to watch LambChops throw fits.xcoffeex

CHeck my avatar for a classic Bobby throwdown!!! I love them too. You can always bank on at least one a game. Two or more if you are LUCKY!!xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

[Eaglesrus]

Yeah, we hated the Herd even more than we hate you guys.xsmiley_wix xwhistlex

But I think GSU has taken Marshall's place pretty well. And Eagle fans, you should take pride in that. Marshall worked very hard at it. xpeacex

There would be no reason to take pride in what has been ascribed to Marshall fans, i.e. throwing batteries, spitting on people, etc. We don't do that; heck, our fans don't even go on the field before time has expired or run goal posts into the opposing team's bus xsmiley_wix

[jonmac]

There would be no reason to take pride in what has been ascribed to Marshall fans, i.e. throwing batteries, spitting on people, etc. We don't do that; heck, our fans don't even go on the field before time has expired or run goal posts into the opposing team's bus xsmiley_wix

Please read my clarification post. I, uh, er, mis-spoke, for real. And opened myself up for that one. You got me.

[CID1990]

There would be no reason to take pride in what has been ascribed to Marshall fans, i.e. throwing batteries, spitting on people, etc. We don't do that; heck, our fans don't even go on the field before time has expired or run goal posts into the opposing team's bus xsmiley_wix

You do have similar procreation habits, though.

[SoCon48]

There would be no reason to take pride in what has been ascribed to Marshall fans, i.e. throwing batteries, spitting on people, etc. We don't do that; heck, our fans don't even go on the field before time has expired or run goal posts into the opposing team's bus xsmiley_wix

Yeah. One has to have something to celebrate to do that. But, now, I do recall GSU tearing down goal posts at Chattanooga after the win over Montana after a play-off win. The controversey was that it wasn't GSU's home field. Of course GSU did re-imburse them after the fact. xcoffeex

Plus there's always the plywood barriers the NCAA told GSU to put up in Paulson. xrulesx

[Eaglesrus]

Please read my clarification post. I, uh, er, mis-spoke, for real. And opened myself up for that one. You got me.

Well, got another one of those "you must spread reputation around" messages, sorry. All in good fun, anyway (except when jousting with those mangy mutts from THE Citadel, that is xpeacex ).

[SoCon48]

CHeck my avatar for a classic Bobby throwdown!!! I love them too. You can always bank on at least one a game. Two or more if you are LUCKY!!xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

I dunno, if he's not his usual 7 yards out on the field, it doesn't count. But he is hatless, so maybe he did at least throw his hat down and kick it.
And hey, it does work in Greenville. It's just what he would call "working the refs." xeyebrowx

[SoCon48]

I hate tattle tails.

[SoCon48]

CHeck my avatar for a classic Bobby throwdown!!! I love them too. You can always bank on at least one a game. Two or more if you are LUCKY!!xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

I dunno, if he's not his usual 7 yards out on the field, it doesn't count. But he is hatless, so maybe he did at least throw his hat down and kick it.
And hey, it does work in Greenville. It's just what he would call "working the refs."

[DLS]

There would be no reason to take pride in what has been ascribed to Marshall fans, i.e. throwing batteries, spitting on people, etc. We don't do that; heck, our fans don't even go on the field before time has expired or run goal posts into the opposing team's bus xsmiley_wix

oooo i do! i do!xwhistlex

[SideLine Shooter]

I dunno, if he's not his usual 7 yards out on the field, it doesn't count. But he is hatless, so maybe he did at least throw his hat down and kick it.
And hey, it does work in Greenville. It's just what he would call "working the refs."

He was at least 7 yards past the sideline and he had already gotten rid of the hat and stomped around for a while. He was so red in the face that I thought he was going to blow a gasket or something else. This tantrum lasted a long while. Everyboby was having a real good laugh. I mean everybody. I am working on a collection of "Working the Officials" photos.

GSU's Van Gorder had some real good outbursts. I really hate that he didn't stick around a little longer to get some more of his. Then again, GSU was the only one that didn't want him to stick around.:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx

[soweagle]

He was at least 7 yards past the sideline and he had already gotten rid of the hat and stomped around for a while. He was so red in the face that I thought he was going to blow a gasket or something else. This tantrum lasted a long while. Everyboby was having a real good laugh. I mean everybody. I am working on a collection of "Working the Officials" photos.

GSU's Van Gorder had some real good outbursts. I really hate that he didn't stick around a little longer to get some more of his. Then again, GSU was the only one that didn't want him to stick around.:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx

I remember watching on t.v. a playoff game in Boone where Bobby was pretty much at midfield. I think this might have been the game where Ingle slipped on his way to a potential score.

[Eaglesrus]

Yeah. One has to have something to celebrate to do that. But, now, I do recall GSU tearing down goal posts at Chattanooga after the win over Montana after a play-off win. The controversey was that it wasn't GSU's home field. Of course GSU did re-imburse them after the fact. xcoffeex

Plus there's always the plywood barriers the NCAA told GSU to put up in Paulson. xrulesx

Yeah, winning one regular season game certainly calls for rampaging through the streets. Please remind me of whose bus our folks damaged when they took down those goal posts.

You bought that whole thing about NCAA sanctions? Truth is, we just thought our logo painted on that plywood would show up well in aerial shots.

[Eaglesrus]

......GSU's Van Gorder had some real good outbursts. I really hate that he didn't stick around a little longer to get some more of his. Then again, GSU was the only one that didn't want him to stick around.:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx

Actually, we would have liked for him to have stayed around a little longer, as we didn't have quite enough notice to pluck the feathers, heat the tar or pull out the rail.

[SideLine Shooter]

I remember watching on t.v. a playoff game in Boone where Bobby was pretty much at midfield. I think this might have been the game where Ingle slipped on his way to a potential score.

No, this was at ASU in 2006. This was a regular season wipe out.xlolx xlolx

[SideLine Shooter]

Actually, we would have liked for him to have stayed around a little longer, as we didn't have quite enough notice to pluck the feathers, heat the tar or pull out the rail.

I know that for the truth...xthumbsupx

[PaladinFan]

No, this was at ASU in 2006. This was a regular season wipe out.xlolx xlolx

No doubt that was the call after the wierd backing into the endzone touchback call. Totally changed the face of the game. 14-7 App lead at halftime (should have been a 10-7 FU lead) and all the momentum shifted as Furman took over the ball at their own goal line.

No picture, but i was just as hot after that call.

[Saint3333]

No doubt that was the call after the wierd backing into the endzone touchback call. Totally changed the face of the game. 14-7 App lead at halftime (should have been a 10-7 FU lead) and all the momentum shifted as Furman took over the ball at their own goal line.

No picture, but i was just as hot after that call.

I think the turning point was the block FG for a touchdown by Corey Lynch to finish the first half. That block is probably his second favorite behind some other blockxsmiley_wix.

[Kill'em]

CHeck my avatar for a classic Bobby throwdown!!! I love them too. You can always bank on at least one a game. Two or more if you are LUCKY!!xlolx xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

You wouldn't happen to have a picture of his kicking over a trash can outside the lockerroom at Paulson in '05. That is classic Bobby Lamb.

[Jerbearasu]

No doubt that was the call after the wierd backing into the endzone touchback call. Totally changed the face of the game. 14-7 App lead at halftime (should have been a 10-7 FU lead) and all the momentum shifted as Furman took over the ball at their own goal line.

No picture, but i was just as hot after that call.

App received the ball to start the second half and took a 21-7 lead. They then kicked off and that is when that endzone touchback call happened. I thought it was a bad call at first but apparently the NCAA rule shows that the call was correct. I thought if momentum took you into the endzone it was a touchback but the rule states that on kickoffs it is where the ball is first touched and not momentum so the call was right... The FG block at the end of the first half did change the complection of the game though...

[PaladinFan]

App received the ball to start the second half and took a 21-7 lead. They then kicked off and that is when that endzone touchback call happened. I thought it was a bad call at first but apparently the NCAA rule shows that the call was correct. I thought if momentum took you into the endzone it was a touchback but the rule states that on kickoffs it is where the ball is first touched and not momentum so the call was right... The FG block at the end of the first half did change the complection of the game though...

and afterward ASU scored 28 points on 82 yrds total offense. Talk about taking the momentum away.

[fuEMO]

BL lets his emotions out on the field at times. I don't mind it.

Furman has a history of intense coaches that have had some fiery explosions on the field. Dick Sheridan was a tough SOB, and tell me when you ever saw Bobby Johnson smile on the sidelines during a game.

I could be smokin the Furman crack but this team (08) looks very different and I think it will be more representative of the style and attitude that BL has wanted on the field. Will it mean a SoCon championship?

Getting back to SoCon predicts for 2008. I think BL has package recruited for this season. BL has known that Sorrells will be handed the reigns in 2008. It doesn't matter if Sorrells is the #1-#4 QB in the SoCon. The keys are what he has to work with. BL has recruited a combination of size and speed 6-5, 6-4, 6-4 at tightend, 6-4, 6-2, 6-1, 6-0, 5-11, 5-9 at receiver. The oline has eight players with starting experience and they are probably one of the most agile groups of linemen in years. Furman will miss Felton but Furman appears to be moving to a no huddle one back offense featuring two tightends. This will give Furman's speeder runningbacks the opportunities to run and catch. Brown, LaFrance, Kendall, and freshman head-turner Baker look very solid. On paper this looks like a potentially a very solid Furman offense.

[furman94]

Now, we have to turn to the defense... lol

[OL FU]

Now, we have to turn to the defense... lol

I agree. I have little concerns about the offense. xnodx

[Jerbearasu]

The oline has eight players with starting experience and they are probably one of the most agile groups of linemen in years.

FU has always had an outstanding O-Line that allows them to do a lot of different things on offense. I am very interested in seeing the changes you guys employ. I have a love/hate relationship with the Furman game. I always look forward to it but it is always gutwrenching to me too...

[PaladinFan]

FU has always had an outstanding O-Line that allows them to do a lot of different things on offense. I am very interested in seeing the changes you guys employ. I have a love/hate relationship with the Furman game. I always look forward to it but it is always gutwrenching to me too...

My only hope is that we don't get too fancy. In 07 we came out in the first half of the season with a plethora of different looks. It wasn't until we simplified everything that we got down to business.

The O-line should be our strength. I'm just glad I get to watch Joel Bell maul defenders one more year.

Our series is gutwrenching. However, you guys have yours coming to you. Can't stay on the proverbial mountain forever. xthumbsupx

[furman94]

They've had it coming for oh... 3 years!

[AppGrad06]

My only hope is that we don't get too fancy. In 07 we came out in the first half of the season with a plethora of different looks. It wasn't until we simplified everything that we got down to business.

The O-line should be our strength. I'm just glad I get to watch Joel Bell maul defenders one more year.

Our series is gutwrenching. However, you guys have yours coming to you. Can't stay on the proverbial mountain forever. xthumbsupx

At least we always have our literal Mountain(s) as a back up

[furman94]

Hey, So does Furman! (Paris Mountains and the Gateway to the Blue Ridge) We are just in the process of reclaiming the peak!

[neersnbeers]

Just a lil elevation difference there.

[furman94]

Haha... yeah but not too much!

[whoanellie]

what smells just a bit is our SoCon brethren, Davidson College does not play football in our league. They did once and in the 60's they were pretty darn good!!! ..... Is it fair for them to reap benefits and not commit to a funded program. On PTI on ESPN it was stated DC has a 500 million endowment in a major metro market.
They need to pick up the slack and step forward as an equal member.
That goes for UNCG and Charleston.

[seantaylor]

what smells just a bit is our SoCon brethren, Davidson College does not play football in our league. They did once and in the 60's they were pretty darn good!!! ..... Is it fair for them to reap benefits and not commit to a funded program. On PTI on ESPN it was stated DC has a 500 million endowment in a major metro market.
They need to pick up the slack and step forward as an equal member.
That goes for UNCG and Charleston.

Agreed. The Socon should force their hand. Too much of an advantage by them putting all their resources in basketball without having football.

[AppStFan76]

Agreed. The Socon should force their hand. Too much of an advantage by them putting all their resources in basketball without having football.

I agree but I dont think it will ever happen.

[james_lawfirm]

what smells just a bit is our SoCon brethren, Davidson College does not play football in our league. They did once and in the 60's they were pretty darn good!!! ..... Is it fair for them to reap benefits and not commit to a funded program. On PTI on ESPN it was stated DC has a 500 million endowment in a major metro market.
They need to pick up the slack and step forward as an equal member.
That goes for UNCG and Charleston.

I believe Davidson refuses to offer scholarships to play football there. Further, that will not change. With only 1,200 students (+/-), fielding a football team is always a challenge. Unlike Wofford, Davidson does not have a famous football player footing the bills for the program. Plus, the academic standards DC requires to be considered for acceptance are pretty high.

My point is that Davidson is not going to play SoCon football any time soon. And, no one can make them. If the SoCon told them play football, or leave, they would probably leave.

All of us other SoCon schools are just going to have to accept the fact that DC will kick our butt in basketball and we cannot extract revenge on the gridiron.

And, by the way, did anyone else think that Wisconsin looked like they were moving around in molasses? That was the slowest team I believe I have ever seen! If DC beats Kansas (a tall order) they might just win the whole bag of marbles!

[SideLine Shooter]

My only hope is that we don't get too fancy. In 07 we came out in the first half of the season with a plethora of different looks. It wasn't until we simplified everything that we got down to business.

The O-line should be our strength. I'm just glad I get to watch Joel Bell maul defenders one more year.

Our series is gutwrenching. However, you guys have yours coming to you. Can't stay on the proverbial mountain forever. xthumbsupx

Dream On!!!! I keep hearing the same thing in Greenville. Wait till next year, Bobby has the team this year. So on and so on... App St. is on top right now so give the Mountaineers the due that they have EARNED.... If FU ever has the team to compete Bobby will screw it up when they play the Mountaineers. Look at what he has done since the turn of the century. Mainly the game they call "Miracle On The MOUNTAIN"...:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx xsmiley_wix

[Touchdown Yosef]

Dream On!!!! I keep hearing the same thing in Greenville. Wait till next year, Bobby has the team this year. So on and so on... App St. is on top right now so give the Mountaineers the due that they have EARNED.... If FU ever has the team to compete Bobby will screw it up when they play the Mountaineers. Look at what he has done since the turn of the century. Mainly the game they call "Miracle On The MOUNTAIN"...:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx xsmiley_wix

awww, such wonderful memories.

You don't screw up in Greenville, and with the exception of one game Furman vs. App has always been a great game. Reference our first 2005 game. Besides it looks like you transferred your curse from Bobby to Mickey, but we will see.

[AppStFan76]

awww, such wonderful memories.

You don't screw up in Greenville, and with the exception of one game Furman vs. App has always been a great game. Reference our first 2005 game. Besides it looks like you transferred your curse from Bobby to Mickey, but we will see.

It's not Furman or even JMU, it's not their coaches... the only common denominator, or should I say dominator is APP!!!

Crazy things happen in that stadiumxnodx

[Eyes of Old Main]

Unlike Wofford, Davidson does not have a famous football player footing the bills for the program.

I would assume that you are referring to Jerry Richardson, but since he's not nearly our only large financial supporter, you are clearly off base. Wofford has been playing football far longer than ASU has even existed, so one big donor does not a program make. As for resources, Wofford has FAR LESS money than Davidson does so that really isn't a viable excuse. It all boils down to the fact that Davidson would rather excel in one thing that make an effort in all things. They were kicked out of the SoCon once for their lack of participation and I long for they day they are shown the door for good. I don't care what it does to the RPI or exposure of the league, but all three non-football members should be removed immediately.

[Jerbearasu]

I would assume that you are referring to Jerry Richardson, but since he's not nearly our only large financial supporter, you are clearly off base. Wofford has been playing football far longer than ASU has even existed, so one big donor does not a program make. As for resources, Wofford has FAR LESS money than Davidson does so that really isn't a viable excuse. It all boils down to the fact that Davidson would rather excel in one thing that make an effort in all things. They were kicked out of the SoCon once for their lack of participation and I long for they day they are shown the door for good. I don't care what it does to the RPI or exposure of the league, but all three non-football members should be removed immediately.

In essence, the non-basketball schools (Davidson, UNCG, and CofC) were brought in to boost up the basketball conference much like the Big East with teams like Georgetown and Marquette. Only problem is that Davidson is the only one living up to the agreement. CofC was decent for a brief stint and UNCG has been mediocre at best. I am just waiting for the day that there is a major shift in the conference.

[CID1990]

I believe Davidson refuses to offer scholarships to play football there. Further, that will not change. With only 1,200 students (+/-), fielding a football team is always a challenge. Unlike Wofford, Davidson does not have a famous football player footing the bills for the program. Plus, the academic standards DC requires to be considered for acceptance are pretty high.

My point is that Davidson is not going to play SoCon football any time soon. And, no one can make them. If the SoCon told them play football, or leave, they would probably leave.

All of us other SoCon schools are just going to have to accept the fact that DC will kick our butt in basketball and we cannot extract revenge on the gridiron.

And, by the way, did anyone else think that Wisconsin looked like they were moving around in molasses? That was the slowest team I believe I have ever seen! If DC beats Kansas (a tall order) they might just win the whole bag of marbles!

I thought Davidson was fully endowed, i.e: every student is on scholarship.

[PaladinFan]

Dream On!!!! I keep hearing the same thing in Greenville. Wait till next year, Bobby has the team this year. So on and so on... App St. is on top right now so give the Mountaineers the due that they have EARNED.... If FU ever has the team to compete Bobby will screw it up when they play the Mountaineers. Look at what he has done since the turn of the century. Mainly the game they call "Miracle On The MOUNTAIN"...:D xthumbsupx :D xthumbsupx xsmiley_wix

Point is, App State will not continue to win national championships forever. Heck, they lost two conference games in 2007 (and Wofford nearly dropped 50 on App). Who's to say they won't lose more in 2008?

I mean, there's a lot of hatred for Lamb. I think he's a good coach who has given his adult life to our university. He wins football games and graduates his players. The players are sharp in the classroom and good people to boot.

Since the turn of the century Furman has been in the playoffs Furman has appeared in a national championship game, the semi-finals, the quarterfinals, and made the playoffs all but two years when (and they still had winning records in those years). What could possibly be your point?

Nobody has said Bobby has "the" team in 2008. We could have a very good offense led by what might amount to one of the best offensive lines in the FCS (finished ninth in sacks allowed and returns all but one player). The defense is a questionmark. If that comes together could Furman be good enough to win the conference? Sure. Will they? who knows.

[furman94]

Good post Paladin Fan. I just think that Bobby needs a little more fire under his arse, and pull a Jerry Moore!

[Saint3333]

Point is, App State will not continue to win national championships forever. Heck, they lost two conference games in 2007 (and Wofford nearly dropped 50 on App). Who's to say they won't lose more in 2008?

I mean, there's a lot of hatred for Lamb. I think he's a good coach who has given his adult life to our university. He wins football games and graduates his players. The players are sharp in the classroom and good people to boot.

Since the turn of the century Furman has been in the playoffs Furman has appeared in a national championship game, the semi-finals, the quarterfinals, and made the playoffs all but two years when (and they still had winning records in those years). What could possibly be your point?

Nobody has said Bobby has "the" team in 2008. We could have a very good offense led by what might amount to one of the best offensive lines in the FCS (finished ninth in sacks allowed and returns all but one player). The defense is a questionmark. If that comes together could Furman be good enough to win the conference? Sure. Will they? who knows.

So now 42 points is almost 50 and you're taking the over on ASU losing 2 SoCon games in 2008. I need some of that action.

[LarryBoy]

Can we go ahead and fast-forward to the season now? I'm not sure how many more months of unchallenged "Invincible App" fans I can take.

[Kill'em]

Point is, App State will not continue to win national championships forever. Heck, they lost two conference games in 2007 (and Wofford nearly dropped 50 on App). Who's to say they won't lose more in 2008?

I mean, there's a lot of hatred for Lamb. I think he's a good coach who has given his adult life to our university. He wins football games and graduates his players. The players are sharp in the classroom and good people to boot.

Since the turn of the century Furman has been in the playoffs Furman has appeared in a national championship game, the semi-finals, the quarterfinals, and made the playoffs all but two years when (and they still had winning records in those years). What could possibly be your point?

Nobody has said Bobby has "the" team in 2008. We could have a very good offense led by what might amount to one of the best offensive lines in the FCS (finished ninth in sacks allowed and returns all but one player). The defense is a questionmark. If that comes together could Furman be good enough to win the conference? Sure. Will they? who knows.

We all kid Lamb about his temper tantrums and some interesting play-calls, but the fact remains, he is a winner. The games with Georgia Southern have been tough. His teams are always well-prepared and play hard. I don't like how he allows his players to conduct themselves but I can't argue about the results on the field and in the classroom.

[PaladinFan]

We all kid Lamb about his temper tantrums and some interesting play-calls, but the fact remains, he is a winner. The games with Georgia Southern have been tough. His teams are always well-prepared and play hard. I don't like how he allows his players to conduct themselves but I can't argue about the results on the field and in the classroom.

No doubt. The game against GSU was a perfect example of how good a coach Lamb can be when he's on. I respect Chris Hatcher a lot as a coach and a person, but he got completely outcoached in that game.

[PaladinFan]

So now 42 points is almost 50 and you're taking the over on ASU losing 2 SoCon games in 2008. I need some of that action.

Yes, 42 is almost 50. Point is Wofford ran up, over, and around your defense in a way they haven't been thumped in years.

I'm not taking the over on ASU losing more than two. But it certainly is reasonable they could, isn't it?

[Touchdown Yosef]

Yes, 42 is almost 50. Point is Wofford ran up, over, and around your defense in a way they haven't been thumped in years.

I'm not taking the over on ASU losing more than two. But it certainly is reasonable they could, isn't it?

Definatley possible, especially in the Socon. I think most people realize that but it would be seen as a surprise because they don't expect it.

[citdog]

WE'LL BE LUCKY TO BEAT THE GRILLMASTERS.

[CharlestonAppFan]

I would assume that you are referring to Jerry Richardson, but since he's not nearly our only large financial supporter, you are clearly off base. Wofford has been playing football far longer than ASU has even existed, so one big donor does not a program make. As for resources, Wofford has FAR LESS money than Davidson does so that really isn't a viable excuse. It all boils down to the fact that Davidson would rather excel in one thing that make an effort in all things. They were kicked out of the SoCon once for their lack of participation and I long for they day they are shown the door for good. I don't care what it does to the RPI or exposure of the league, but all three non-football members should be removed immediately.

Wow xeekx I didn't know Wofford has fielded a football team for over 109 years!!! xconfusedx :o

[PaladinFan]

Wow xeekx I didn't know Wofford has fielded a football team for over 109 years!!! xconfusedx :o

Wofford and Furman knocked heads for the first time in 1896. Couple old geezers on the block. Furman and the Citadel have been playing Southern Conference football for, what, nearly 90 years?

[Eyes of Old Main]

Wofford and Furman knocked heads for the first time in 1896. Couple old geezers on the block. Furman and the Citadel have been playing Southern Conference football for, what, nearly 90 years?

Actually it was 1889 and it was the first intercollegiate football game played in South Carolina. Best of all, Wofford won.

[furman94]

ALL TIME RECORD!


























:D

[parr90]

No doubt. The game against GSU was a perfect example of how good a coach Lamb can be when he's on. I respect Chris Hatcher a lot as a coach and a person, but he got completely outcoached in that game.


You gotta be kidding! The only reason you won was a missed field goal. We dominated the first half, you guys dominated the second, but to say we got outcoached is ignorant.

[PaladinFan]

You gotta be kidding! The only reason you won was a missed field goal. We dominated the first half, you guys dominated the second, but to say we got outcoached is ignorant.

You must have been watching another game. GSU won the first half, but FU played better the rest of the game and but for a phantom pass interference call and a fumble that was never called GSU wouldn't have had a shot at that field goal. In fact, they should have lost by two touchdowns.

[parr90]

You must have been watching another game. GSU won the first half, but FU played better the rest of the game and but for a phantom pass interference call and a fumble that was never called GSU wouldn't have had a shot at that field goal. In fact, they should have lost by two touchdowns.


Didnt I say GSU won the first half and Furman the second half? Shoulda Woulda Coulda my man. What the hell does what you just said have to do with coaching? You said GSU was out coached. I was at the game and we got outplayed in the 2nd half but still could have won the game with a chip shot field goal. We missed and you won. This wasnt being out coached rather lack of execution on our part. We got out played when it mattered not out coached.

[elcid96]

Media Pre-season poll has Samford as the #2 pick behind Western Carolina. Then the rest as follows:

3) App State
4) Wofford
5) Citadel
6) Furman
7) Georgia Southern
8) Chatt

[WCU LawCat]

I think most of the SoCon will be suprised at WCU's turnaround in 2008 and I think Samford will be more competitive than most think.

I think everyone else with the exception of App is a wildcard. Chatt could fall like WCU did last year or they might actually have a decent season.

[CID1990]

We're going to be better than last year.

[eaglesrthe1]

Har. Sounds to me like everybody is going 4-4 in conference this year. You think that last year had everybody guessing?

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Media Pre-season poll has Samford as the #2 pick behind Western Carolina. Then the rest as follows:

3) App State
4) Wofford
5) Citadel
6) Furman
7) Georgia Southern
8) Chatt

Best April fools post I've seen all day!xlolx

[SideLine Shooter]

Har. Sounds to me like everybody is going 4-4 in conference this year. You think that last year had everybody guessing?

I think it could very possibly happen!!!xcoolx

Why would ASU be ranked so high?xeyebrowx

[DLS]

where's elon on that list?

[OL FU]

Anybody have a feel for Elon's defense this year. A quick look at last year's roster says they have almost everybody coming back. The question is does that improve the defense. If it does, keep your eye on themxnodx

[CID1990]

I am sure that their defense will be improved. That being said, they will do well against the more traditional offenses, but unless they change their scheme a little bit, they won't be much better against the spread.

[PaladinFan]

I am sure that their defense will be improved. That being said, they will do well against the more traditional offenses, but unless they change their scheme a little bit, they won't be much better against the spread.

Furman runs about as "traditional" offense as any team in the league and they couldn't stop us to save their lives. If Riddle and Hudgins play up to par, though, they wont need a defense but only occassionally. :)

[OL FU]

Furman runs about as "traditional" offense as any team in the league and they couldn't stop us to save their lives. If Riddle and Hudgins play up to par, though, they wont need a defense but only occassionally. :)

That was my thought. Last year was far from a stellar years defensively for any team. Seems like a mild improvement in the defense for Elon could set them up for one heck of a year.

[AshevilleApp2]

Everyone seems improved, or maybe just optimistic. I think we'll have a very good team this year, but I wouldn't be shocked to have three or four losses.

[DLS]

Everyone seems improved, or maybe just optimistic. I think we'll have a very good team this year, but I wouldn't be shocked to have three or four losses.

Who would the four losses be to? i'd poop myself if that happened.