Dayton

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Was screwed royally.

[danefan]

Absolutely.

DFF has something to actually gripe about here.

[DetroitFlyer]

Agreed! So much for RPI and SOS! Must be the same folks that keep the football team out of the playoffs. Not a big "fan" of the NCAA at the moment...!

[UNHWildCats]

the football team didnt belong in, the basketball team did.

[Franks Tanks]

Not sure I agree-- Dayton has been very mediocre as of late after a hot start.

"They fell short because they never got Chris Wright back, which means the committee has to judge them more on the 6-6 finish after they got Charles Little back from injury, the seventh-place league finish and the quarterfinal exit in the A-10 tournament."

7th place in the A-10 is pretty terrible despite a few nice early season wins!!

[bluehenbillk]

Not sure I agree-- Dayton has been very mediocre as of late after a hot start.

"They fell short because they never got Chris Wright back, which means the committee has to judge them more on the 6-6 finish after they got Charles Little back from injury, the seventh-place league finish and the quarterfinal exit in the A-10 tournament."

7th place in the A-10 is pretty terrible despite a few nice early season wins!!


Actually Dayton wasn't in 7th as they played St. Louis in the 8/9 game in the A-10 tourney. The committee got it right not including them, sorry.

[Franks Tanks]

Actually Dayton wasn't in 7th as they played St. Louis in the 8/9 game in the A-10 tourney. The committee got it right not including them, sorry.

That was according to ESPN--idiots

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Not sure I agree-- Dayton has been very mediocre as of late after a hot start.

"They fell short because they never got Chris Wright back, which means the committee has to judge them more on the 6-6 finish, Th after they got Charles Little back from injury, the seventh-place league finish and the quarterfinal exit in the A-10 tournament."

7th place in the A-10 is pretty terrible despite a few nice early season wins!!

Dayton beat the Big East Champion (Pittsburgh), Louisville as well as FOUR other tournament teams (Temple, St. Joe's, Coppin State, American), totalling SIX wins over tournament teame. Of their 10 losses, four were to tournament teams (Xavier x 3, George Mason), and almost the rest (Charlotte, UMass, Rhody) are all to 20+ win teams that were probably all bubble teams too. Are you really going to deny Dayton a spot due to two losses to Richmond and Duquesne?

Conversely, what exactly has St. Joe's done to earn a bid? Two wins over Xavier; that's it. Really. That and their singular win over Temple was enough to give them a bid over Dayton? Please. This decision had everything to do with TV markets and zero to do with fielding a good team.

I can name 5 teams that should have been dumped in favor of Dayton.

1. St. Joe's
2. Arizona
3. Villanova
4. Kansas State
5. Arkansas

What's so sad is how unsurprising it is.

[tribe_pride]

Actually Dayton wasn't in 7th as they played St. Louis in the 8/9 game in the A-10 tourney. The committee got it right not including them, sorry.

Dayton tied for 7th in the A-10. They lost the tiebreaker and had to play in the 8/9 game.

[Franks Tanks]

Dayton beat the Big East Champion (Pittsburgh), Louisville as well as FOUR other tournament teams (Temple, St. Joe's, Coppin State, American), totalling SIX wins over tournament teame. Of their 10 losses, four were to tournament teams (Xavier x 3, George Mason), and almost the rest (Charlotte, UMass, Rhody) are all to 20+ win teams that were probably all bubble teams too. Are you really going to deny Dayton a spot due to two losses to Richmond and Duquesne?

Conversely, what exactly has St. Joe's done to earn a bid? Two wins over Xavier; that's it. Really. That and their singular win over Temple was enough to give them a bid over Dayton? Please. This decision had everything to do with TV markets and zero to do with fielding a good team.

I can name 5 teams that should have been dumped in favor of Dayton.

1. St. Joe's
2. Arizona
3. Villanova
4. Kansas State
5. Arkansas

What's so sad is how unsurprising it is.

Exactly--St. Joe's shouldnt have a bid in the first palce and Coppin and American are two of the worst teams in the field. Wins over those schools dont impress me

[andy7171]

Now I'm not saying Coppin State are world beaters, but they willingly whorethemselves out for money every season to pay for the entire schools athletic budget. Year in and year out, they star the season 2-12 and then collect themselves and run therought the second half of the schedule and MEAC tourney. I feel bad for Morgan State, who Coppin beat on a last second shot, they had a great year and deserved to go to the NCAAs representing the MEAC. But to dismiss Coppin based solely on their record is wrong. 2008 is a classic Coppin State year.

[Franks Tanks]

Now I'm not saying Coppin State are world beaters, but they willingly whorethemselves out for money every season to pay for the entire schools athletic budget. Year in and year out, they star the season 2-12 and then collect themselves and run therought the second half of the schedule and MEAC tourney. I feel bad for Morgan State, who Coppin beat on a last second shot, they had a great year and deserved to go to the NCAAs representing the MEAC. But to dismiss Coppin based solely on their record is wrong. 2008 is a classic Coppin State year.

Honestly I dont know squat about Coppin, I was just going off there record. They may be a solid team--but if they are on your NCAA tourney resume thats probably not good

[bluehenbillk]

Hard to argue about putting Dayton in & St. Joe's out when the Hawks finished ahead of them in the same league.

[andy7171]

Honestly I dont know squat about Coppin, I was just going off there record. They may be a solid team--but if they are on your NCAA tourney resume thats probably not good

I said in an earlier HIU thread about the MEAC that I thought Morgan was the better team, and if they HAD won the MEAC tourney another team would be playing The Mount for the play in game. I've seen Coppin play here and there over the season, this isn't the best team Fang Mitchell has put together. But his teams that have made the NCAAs in the past and won in the first and maybe one trip to the Sweet 16, they have all had kinda crappy records bceause of how the school relies on them to pay for everything. One good thing about how they do things, at the end of the season they are certainly battle tested.

[CollegeSportsInfo]

Was screwed royally.

I completely disagree and I'm an A10 fan.

Dayton was (2) teams: 1 with Wright, one without. The one with went 14-1 was good while the one without finished .500 in the A10 and overall had a sub .500 record.

I didn't like Villanova getting in though nor Oregon as a 9 seed. Dayton needed to beat Xavier to prove they were a solid team just like UMass needed to beat Charlotte to get in. Dayton beats Xavier or Umass beats Charlotte and Villanova would be at home.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Hard to argue about putting Dayton in & St. Joe's out when the Hawks finished ahead of them in the same league.

Pretty hilarious to hear a CAA football fan come rallying to the defense of a team on conference record instead of strength-of-schedule in any context. xlolx So you were all for Villanova making the FCS playoffs over New Hampshire then, right? After all, Villanova had that 5-3 conference record while UNH was "only" 4-4.

But wait, I hear people say, UNH beat Marshall of the FBS! Precisely my point. They belonged over Villanova. And so does Dayton - over both Villanova and St. Joe's.

There is eerie silence on the fact that Dayton beat TWO teams that were amongst the cream of the crop in the Big East. I'll take that as a conceded point.

I also take the eerie silence about the Philadelphia TV market vs. the Dayton TV market as another conceded point that this was all about TV ratings and nothing about the actual performance of the teams.

I'd guarantee if VCU beat two Big East teams and was left out of the field, you'd be screaming bloody murder. And I'll admit VCU belongs over Villanova, too.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I completely disagree and I'm an A10 fan.

Dayton was (2) teams: 1 with Wright, one without. The one with went 14-1 was good while the one without finished .500 in the A10 and overall had a sub .500 record.

I didn't like Villanova getting in though nor Oregon as a 9 seed. Dayton needed to beat Xavier to prove they were a solid team just like UMass needed to beat Charlotte to get in. Dayton beats Xavier or Umass beats Charlotte and Villanova would be at home.

I'm sorry, when you beat two Big East teams in the same year, I fail to see there is any more point to prove on how good you are.

If Dayton is judged "before" and "after", then why not judge Indiana in the same way? They lost three of their last four with allegations against their head coach - including two against pathetic Penn State and Minnesota. I'm not even including two nailbiting wins against pathetic Northwestern and NIT-bound Ohio State.

Incidentally, I never thought I would defend Dayton in any context to this extent. Somewhere, DF is laughing. xlolx

[Col Hogan]

UMass belongs in before Dayton from the A-10...AND UMASS DOES NOT BELONG in the NCAAs...

Plain and simple...neither team stepped up when they should have and ended up in the NIT...

[ngineer]

Temple beating SJU in the tournament screwed the pooch. If SJU wins, Temple stays home and Dayton may have slipped in. The problem I see is Dayton being the 'tale of two teams'..If their big star has returned, then they should be judged on their ability with him on the floor. But if he's out then they have to judged with what they're bringing to the table, now, not what they had in December.

[wkuhillhound]

There is one thing you all need to understand about Coppin State. They earned the bid to the NCAA by winning the conference tournament. It's not Coppin's or American's fault that they are in, both teams won their respective conference's tournament. They had to earn the bid to the tournament just every other conference in America.

[CollegeSportsInfo]

Pretty hilarious to hear a CAA football fan come rallying to the defense of a team on conference record instead of strength-of-schedule in any context. xlolx So you were all for Villanova making the FCS playoffs over New Hampshire then, right? After all, Villanova had that 5-3 conference record while UNH was "only" 4-4.

But wait, I hear people say, UNH beat Marshall of the FBS! Precisely my point. They belonged over Villanova. And so does Dayton - over both Villanova and St. Joe's.

There is eerie silence on the fact that Dayton beat TWO teams that were amongst the cream of the crop in the Big East. I'll take that as a conceded point.

I also take the eerie silence about the Philadelphia TV market vs. the Dayton TV market as another conceded point that this was all about TV ratings and nothing about the actual performance of the teams.

I'd guarantee if VCU beat two Big East teams and was left out of the field, you'd be screaming bloody murder. And I'll admit VCU belongs over Villanova, too.

One thing that has been made perfectly clear to us is that the selection committee DOES consider WHEN games were won. Dayton with Wright = great. Without = below average team. Dayton beat Pitt and Louisville rhight? but they did so when those teams were both suffering injuries.

[CopperCat]

Arizona and Arizona State should have both been left out to make a spot for Dayton. I would much rather watch a Dayton team than an Arizona team that won't make it past the second round.

Damn you Georgia!

[Franks Tanks]

There is one thing you all need to understand about Coppin State. They earned the bid to the NCAA by winning the conference tournament. It's not Coppin's or American's fault that they are in, both teams won their respective conference's tournament. They had to earn the bid to the tournament just every other conference in America.


That is something we all understand. The only reason Coppin and American came up is that they were listed on Daytons NCAA tourney resume, and my point was if those schools are displayed prominently on your resume of wins you probably dont deserve to go.

[andy7171]

That is something we all understand. The only reason Coppin and American came up is that they were listed on Daytons NCAA tourney resume, and my point was if those schools are displayed prominently on your resume of wins you probably dont deserve to go.

Give it up. Just admit that you hate Coppin State and get it over with. :D

[Franks Tanks]

Give it up. Just admit that you hate Coppin State and get it over with. :D

Haha-- I actually like Coppin State