Congrats to PFL teams...

[DUPFLFan]

who are going dancing in basketball xthumbsupx

Butler
Davidson
Drake
San Diegoxbowx

Now if we can only get into the football playoffs...

[brownbear]

There's also Dayton, which will most likely land in the NIT, but they could make the NCAA tourney.

[OL FU]

Congratulationsxthumbsupx





Now if you could only add Davidson to the listxsmiley_wix

[citdog]

Congratulationsxthumbsupx





Now if you could only add Davidson to the listxsmiley_wix


PLAY SCHOLLY FOOTBALL OR GET OUT!

[DUPFLFan]

PLAY SCHOLLY FOOTBALL OR GET OUT!

CHANGE TITLE IX or SHUT UP

[AshevilleApp2]

Congratulations

[OL FU]

CHANGE TITLE IX or SHUT UP

I believe he was referring to Davidson getting out of the Soconxnodx

The PFL is obviously a strong basketball conference, Davidson would fit right in for all sports not just footballxnodx

[citdog]

CHANGE TITLE IX or SHUT UP


THE CITADEL AND THE VIRGINIA MILITARY INSTITUTE WERE EXPRESSLY EXEMPT FROM THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF EXCREMENT.





DAVIDSON, UNCG, COFC, NO TICKEY. NO LAUNDRY.

[FCS Preview]

CHANGE TITLE IX or SHUT UP

That's a copout.

There are three ways (IIRC) to meet Title IX

1) Equal opportunities for men and women
2) Scholarships substantially equal to % of men and women
3) Demonstrate that there is no demand for additional women's scholarship sports

[danefan]

That's a copout.

There are three ways (IIRC) to meet Title IX

1) Equal opportunities for men and women
2) Scholarships substantially equal to % of men and women
3) Demonstrate that there is no demand for additional women's scholarship sports


Do you know of any schools at all that use any other "safe harbor" other then #2? I've been trying to find any school using that rationale and I cannot.

[DUPFLFan]

For my ignorant friend above who likes to type in very large letters, I did some research that I did on the scholarship costs for Drake and that I posted on this site earlier..

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36355&page=2

Here is what I posted...

I am sure you know the difference between budget - revenue and expenses. So let's look at the expense side - Specifically the line that says Athletically related student aid from the Equity in Athletics Web site for the US department of education...

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp)

Iowa State Men - $2,645,145 Women - $2,410,203 Total - $5,055,348
Iowa Men - $3,302,807 Women - $3,184,077 Total - $6,486,884
Northern Iowa Men - $1,961,890 Women - $1,390,053 Total - $3,351,943
Drake Current Men - $1,166,653 Women - $1,816,551 Total - $2,983,204
120 new awards Men -$3,003,373 Women -$3,653,271 Total - $6,656,644

Drake with 120 new scholarships would have more athletically related student aid than Iowa and Iowa State and double that of Northern Iowa.


If you look at the revenue side, the state schools can easlily afford this. Drake cannot.

Revenue
Drake $11,407,671 (most of which comes from Drake Relays)
Iowa $80,203,645 (45m from Football)
ISU $36,876,628
NI $13,526,042

Now, I started this post to congratulate the PFL teams who are going to the Big Dance along with a wish to get into the playoffs. This obviously pissed off Citdog who used this post to try to embarass me and to give me negative rep points, which I returned in kind.

Citdog, whether you like it or not, the PFL teams are Division 1 FCS teams. They are not D-II, D-III, NAIA or anything else. These teams for the reasons I specify above are committed to a cost-containment, non- scholarship model.

Given that, they should be eligible for the playoffs. That is my opinion and
I accept that you have a different one. Try to discuss things in a manner that results in an educated discussion not in an IGNORANT one

[citdog]

For my ignorant friend above who likes to type in very large letters, I did some research that I did on the scholarship costs for Drake and that I posted on this site earlier..

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36355&page=2

Here is what I posted...

I am sure you know the difference between budget - revenue and expenses. So let's look at the expense side - Specifically the line that says Athletically related student aid from the Equity in Athletics Web site for the US department of education...

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp)

Iowa State Men - $2,645,145 Women - $2,410,203 Total - $5,055,348
Iowa Men - $3,302,807 Women - $3,184,077 Total - $6,486,884
Northern Iowa Men - $1,961,890 Women - $1,390,053 Total - $3,351,943
Drake Current Men - $1,166,653 Women - $1,816,551 Total - $2,983,204
120 new awards Men -$3,003,373 Women -$3,653,271 Total - $6,656,644

Drake with 120 new scholarships would have more athletically related student aid than Iowa and Iowa State and double that of Northern Iowa.


If you look at the revenue side, the state schools can easlily afford this. Drake cannot.

Revenue
Drake $11,407,671 (most of which comes from Drake Relays)
Iowa $80,203,645 (45m from Football)
ISU $36,876,628
NI $13,526,042

Now, I started this post to congratulate the PFL teams who are going to the Big Dance along with a wish to get into the playoffs. This obviously pissed off Citdog who used this post to try to embarass me and to give me negative rep points, which I returned in kind.

Citdog, whether you like it or not, the PFL teams are Division 1 FCS teams. They are not D-II, D-III, NAIA or anything else. These teams for the reasons I specify above are committed to a cost-containment, non- scholarship model.

Given that, they should be eligible for the playoffs. That is my opinion and
I accept that you have a different one. Try to discuss things in a manner that results in an educated discussion not in an IGNORANT one


your opinion is wrong, but you are entitled to it. you bring down the whole division by your programs that are FCS in name only.

[USDFAN_55]

your opinion is wrong, but you are entitled to it. you bring down the whole division by your programs that are FCS in name only.

So not having scholarships is bringing down the FCS? What about the teams that have scholarships, but still can't find a way to win?

[citdog]

So not having scholarships is bringing down the FCS? What about the teams that have scholarships, but still can't find a way to win?

like VMI?

[USDFAN_55]

like VMI?

Surexthumbsupx

[DUPFLFan]

your opinion is wrong, but you are entitled to it. you bring down the whole division by your programs that are FCS in name only.

The only thing that our teams are proving is that it is possible to win and have a good team without spending a ton of money on scholarships.

Now, are we as good as ASU? No.

But our teams have poked their head in the top 25 in the last few years and are making progress.

[citdog]

The only thing that our teams are proving is that it is possible to win and have a good team without spending a ton of money on scholarships.

Now, are we as good as ASU? No.

But our teams have poked their head in the top 25 in the last few years and are making progress.

what your major malfunction is numnuts is that you ACTUALLY THINK that teams from the "other brainiac" league BELONG in the top 25. fyi... they don't.


GET THYSELF TO DIVISION II!

[USDFAN_55]

what your major malfunction is numnuts is that you ACTUALLY THINK that teams from the "other brainiac" league BELONG in the top 25. fyi... they don't.


GET THYSELF TO DIVISION II!

What do academics have to do with this discussion. If a team is winning and deserving of a Top 25 ranking, then it doesn't matter if the school is from a "brainiac" league or a neanderthal league. Maybe schools such as Stanford, USC, or Cal should drop out of the FBS because those brainiac schools don't belong with the neanderthal schools?

[DUPFLFan]

GET THYSELF TO DIVISION II!

Nope. We'd rather stay in D-1 FCS for the express purpose of pissing you off.. xnonono2x

[Dane96]

Do you know of any schools at all that use any other "safe harbor" other then #2? I've been trying to find any school using that rationale and I cannot.

UCONN, TEXAS, TENNESSEE, and I believe Georgia.

They have seperate entities for their woman's athletic dept (fundraising, etc).

Smaller schools go with facilities upgrades to get by. I can't think off-hand schools that do this...but I remember pulling articles on this for my sports law class.

[CopperCat]

xnodx
So not having scholarships is bringing down the FCS? What about the teams that have scholarships, but still can't find a way to win?

Very good point.......

[citdog]

Nope. We'd rather stay in D-1 FCS for the express purpose of pissing you off.. xnonono2x

SEEMS LIKE A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO ME. I LIKE FIGHTING FOR LOST CAUSES!