Congress is going to investigate Clemens.

[BlueHen86]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3267163

xeekx

[Seahawks Fan]

This was expected. Sad road that Clemens has chosen to go down.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

This was expected. Sad road that Clemens has chosen to go down.

I wonder if he had it to do all over again he'd go down that same road.

[Seahawks Fan]

I wonder if he had it to do all over again he'd go down that same road.

Good question. Why not have just said you did it, and asked for forgiveness. Same way Pettitte did. Was this necessary?

[bandl]

Good question. Why not have just said you did it, and asked for forgiveness. Same way Pettitte did. Was this necessary?

Same way Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons did for the O's....and look, they will both be on the opening day rosters with nary a mention again of their steroids/HGH use.

[JoltinJoe]

In the end, it is possible that neither Clemens nor Bonds will be convicted of perjury due to the extremely high standard of proof necessary to convict.

And if they are found not guilty, they will argue that they have been exonerated.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

In the end, it is possible that neither Clemens nor Bonds will be convicted of perjury due to the extremely high standard of proof necessary to convict.

And if they are found not guilty, they will argue that they have been exonerated.

But if they are found guilty.....

Sleep in my beautiful house with my beautiful wife, or a place thats not so nice with a guy who is also not so nice.

Like it tell my kids, it's all about risk and reward.

[JoltinJoe]

But if they are found guilty.....

Sleep in my beautiful house with my beautiful wife, or a place thats not so nice with a guy who is also not so nice.

Like it tell my kids, it's all about risk and reward.

Well, I've read Bonds's motion to dismiss the indictment and it is a damn good brief.

I'm not saying that the motion is going to be granted in full ... but making a perjury rap stand is not an easy task.

[Go...gate]

Well, I've read Bonds's motion to dismiss the indictment and it is a damn good brief.

I'm not saying that the motion is going to be granted in full ... but making a perjury rap stand is not an easy task.


Joe, you have a link to that brief? Many thanks.

[JoltinJoe]

Joe, you have a link to that brief? Many thanks.

I downloaded it from the NDCA website through PACER. If you have a PACER account, you can get it for $2.40. Because of the "interest in the case," the court has created a link to the docket right on the court's home page.

I stored my copy on my desktop at work. I'll see if I can upload it somewhere and then post a link here tomorrow, if possible.

I think you'll be surprised how many unartful questions were posed to Bonds during his grand jury testimony.

The court hearing on the dismissal motion is scheduled for Friday at 11 PST. I think that the Court is going to rule that the government must re-plead at least some counts of the complaint.

[Go...gate]

I downloaded it from the NDCA website through PACER. If you have a PACER account, you can get it for $2.40. Because of the "interest in the case," the court has created a link to the docket right on the court's home page.

I stored my copy on my desktop at work. I'll see if I can upload it somewhere and then post a link here tomorrow, if possible.

I think you'll be surprised how many unartful questions were posed to Bonds during his grand jury testimony.

The court hearing on the dismissal motion is scheduled for Friday at 11 PST. I think that the Court is going to rule that the government must re-plead at least some counts of the complaint.

is it a Rule 12 dismissal motion?

[CopperCat]

Seeing the roid proceedings on TV pisses me right off. Don't the guys on Capital Hill have bettering things to be doing than babysitting a bunch of baseball players? We have an international crisis concerning energy, not to mention that little skirmish going on in the Middle East, and these guys want to put Roger Clemens away for roids? What a disgrace. This whole thing is quite possibly the biggest waste of time our federal government has ever seen.

[Gil Dobie]

Seeing the roid proceedings on TV pisses me right off. Don't the guys on Capital Hill have bettering things to be doing than babysitting a bunch of baseball players? We have an international crisis concerning energy, not to mention that little skirmish going on in the Middle East, and these guys want to put Roger Clemens away for roids? What a disgrace. This whole thing is quite possibly the biggest waste of time our federal government has ever seen.

Congress has to wear many hats, and a bunch of baseball millionaires that have gotten rich off of the public, because they cheated, needs to be dealt with, just like Enron.

[seantaylor]

Congress has to wear many hats, and a bunch of baseball millionaires that have gotten rich off of the public, because they cheated, needs to be dealt with, just like Enron.

Please, please tell me you didn't just compare steroids to Enron. Please.

[Poly Pigskin]

Good question. Why not have just said you did it, and asked for forgiveness. Same way Pettitte did. Was this necessary?

If he admits it, then he doesn't get into Cooperstown. He's not gonna go now anyway, but I would guess that's why he didn't 'fess up right away. And I don't care what he says publicly, getting into the Hall means a lot, to him and every other player.

[bandl]

Please, please tell me you didn't just compare steroids to Enron. Please.

"millionaires that have gotten rich off of the public, because they cheated, needs to be dealt with"

This applies to all businesses.

[mcveyrl]

I downloaded it from the NDCA website through PACER. If you have a PACER account, you can get it for $2.40. Because of the "interest in the case," the court has created a link to the docket right on the court's home page.

I stored my copy on my desktop at work. I'll see if I can upload it somewhere and then post a link here tomorrow, if possible.

I think you'll be surprised how many unartful questions were posed to Bonds during his grand jury testimony.

The court hearing on the dismissal motion is scheduled for Friday at 11 PST. I think that the Court is going to rule that the government must re-plead at least some counts of the complaint.

A prosecutor posing unartful questions at a grand jury hearing???

Nooooo!!xwhistlex xwhistlex

[BlueHen86]

A prosecutor posing unartful questions at a grand jury hearing???

Nooooo!!xwhistlex xwhistlex
Was the prosecutor named Alexale23? He was an attorney, right?xrolleyesx


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[Gil Dobie]

Please, please tell me you didn't just compare steroids to Enron. Please.

Millionaires making money by cheating the public. xeyebrowx

I wrote my Rep and Senators to voice support on what they are doing.

[Seahawks Fan]

Was the prosecutor named Alexale23? He was an attorney, right?xrolleyesx


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[JoltinJoe]

Millionaires making money by cheating the public. xeyebrowx

I wrote my Rep and Senators to voice support on what they are doing.

Lying to congress is a very serious crime.

Lying by congress is ordinary course.

[Seahawks Fan]

Lying to congress is a very serious crime.

Lying by congress is ordinary course.


That is a paradox, isn't it? xnodx

[CopperCat]

Congress has to wear many hats, and a bunch of baseball millionaires that have gotten rich off of the public, because they cheated, needs to be dealt with, just like Enron.

They need to be dealt with at the appropriate level, that being the commissioner and local/state law enforcement. Waste of time and resources, end of story. Enron was a corporation, Roger Clemens is a jackass baseball player. Each will have their place in history, its just that one cost thousands of people their livelihoods by deception and corruption. The other pissed his livelihood away by taking a shot in his butt. Don't even try to tell me the latter has any kind of real importance to Congress.

[BlueHen86]

Congress has to wear many hats, and a bunch of baseball millionaires that have gotten rich off of the public, because they cheated, needs to be dealt with, just like Enron.

Good point.xthumbsupx

[Gil Dobie]

They need to be dealt with at the appropriate level, that being the commissioner and local/state law enforcement. Waste of time and resources, end of story. Enron was a corporation, Roger Clemens is a jackass baseball player. Each will have their place in history, its just that one cost thousands of people their livelihoods by deception and corruption. The other pissed his livelihood away by taking a shot in his butt. Don't even try to tell me the latter has any kind of real importance to Congress.

The commissioner would not deal and has not dealt with it until Congress got involved. Many things Congress deals with is more important than cheaters & liars. Just so happens the sports media concentrats on sports and we hear more about it. There are many other things that Congress deals with that are less important than Clemens too. Just glad they are taking care of what MLB would not take care of themselves.

Sports cheaters have cost a lot of people their living. Many people are affected indirectly by baseball, as the sports memorabilia market. People that invested heavily in memorabilia of McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, Bonds, etc, are losing thousands of dollars. I know a guy that spent $6100 on a Mark McGwire signed jersey. What do you think that is worth today, couple hundred at best. Many of these people are not rich and can not take a $6000 hit. I just put Clemens rookie cards, book price $25, out for $5 at my last show. And it didn't even get a look.

[BlueHen86]

The commissioner would not deal and has not dealt with it until Congress got involved. Many things Congress deals with is more important than cheaters & liars. Just so happens the sports media concentrats on sports and we hear more about it. There are many other things that Congress deals with that are less important than Clemens too. Just glad they are taking care of what MLB would not take care of themselves.

Sports cheaters have cost a lot of people their living. Many people are affected indirectly by baseball, as the sports memorabilia market. People that invested heavily in memorabilia of McGwire, Clemens, Sosa, Bonds, etc, are losing thousands of dollars. I know a guy that spent $6100 on a Mark McGwire signed jersey. What do you think that is worth today, couple hundred at best. Many of these people are not rich and can not take a $6000 hit. I just put Clemens rookie cards, book price $25, out for $5 at my last show. And it didn't even get a look.
There is also the public health issue to consider. Steroids are illegal, allowing professional athletes to take them sends the wrong message to our youth, many of whom dream of playing pro ball someday.

Baseball may be a game on the field, but off the field it is big business. It is not unusual for Congress to conduct hearings and make laws regarding big business.

[JoltinJoe]

The court hearing on the dismissal motion is scheduled for Friday at 11 PST. I think that the Court is going to rule that the government must re-plead at least some counts of the complaint.

The court ruled today that the government must re-plead the indictment against Bonds, and gave the government until March 21 to decide whether it will amend the current indictment to cure its ambiguity problems, or whether it submit the matter to a new grand jury.

[BlueHen86]

The court ruled today that the government must re-plead the indictment against Bonds, and gave the government until March 21 to decide whether it will amend the current indictment to cure its ambiguity problems, or whether it submit the matter to a new grand jury.
Thanks for the update. I get the sense that Bonds will walk once this has played out. I'm still not sure about Clemens.

[Appinator]

I understand that Congress has a vested interest in organized sports, as they receive a lot of special treatment when it comes to business laws and regulations. However, wouldn't you think that the integrity of the game is more sorely hurt in the public’s eye when a team is ripped out from underneath a town rather than someone who was doing "whatever it takes" to win? How many millions were lost by New York when Rodger threw an extra couple K's in a game? NONE! What about all the towns who have to go through years of being threatened into extortion by local "business" leaders to fork over HUNDREDS of millions to keep a team in place.

Congress going after Clemens, is dumb and a waste of time. They could greatly impact the character and integrity of all organized sports, by taking away the ability of an ownership group to destroy a city's spirit and move a team away. They would be considered heroes to Charlotteans if they could have kept the Hornets in town, or if the Brown would have stayed in Cleveland, and countless others. How about dropping the Clemens issue, and helping the real citizens out by keeping this from happening again in Seattle!

[JoltinJoe]

Thanks for the update. I get the sense that Bonds will walk once this has played out. I'm still not sure about Clemens.

It's tough to make a perjury rap stick.

In the end, all the government is going to have against Clemens is Brian McNamee, who will be toast when Clemens's lawyers are done with him, and Andy Pettitte -- a reluctant witness whose deposition testimony was pretty vague and non-specific.

Expect to hear both Bonds and Clemens say, after they are found not guilty, that they have been "exonerated" of steroid/HGH use.

In fact, I think Clemens is risking it all by intentionally inviting a criminal prosecution -- believing that it will be hard to convict him, and that the public ultimately won't focus on the fact that the standard of proof in a criminal case is "beyond a reasonable doubt."