UR's top receiver arrested

[BDKJMU]

UR's top receiver arrested
Grayson is suspended from football activity, faces fight-related charge
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-02-19-0036.html

[Rekdiver]

For heaven's sake he broke someones nose at a frat party........

An old Furman coach who left there to go to NC State (Sheridan) had a 1 and done ( you were gone period) philosophy, didn't matter if it was your fault of not. He always said you had a choice to walk away or not to put yourself in a position where something could happen.

[neersnbeers]

For heaven's sake he broke someones nose at a frat party........

An old Furman coach who left there to go to NC State (Sheridan) had a 1 and done ( you were gone period) philosophy, didn't matter if it was your fault of not. He always said you had a choice to walk away or not to put yourself in a position where something could happen.


Jeez louise..... I could personally think of numerous people including myself that would love to be in the same position as any NCAA athlete. the opportunity to do something great and you just piss it away..........sorry but reading things that have recently unfolded with a few football players has gotten me all worked up!xnonono2x xnonono2x

[mcveyrl]

It looks bad, but I'm gonna wait to pass judgment on this right now. He's claiming that he was protecting himself.

If I had to guess, drunk frat boy started giving him ***** at the party and got a little too close. I agree that he should've walked away, but that's easy to say from my office.

[aust42]

Jeez louise..... I could personally think of numerous people including myself that would love to be in the same position as any NCAA athlete. the opportunity to do something great and you just piss it away..........sorry but reading things that have recently unfolded with a few football players has gotten me all worked up!xnonono2x xnonono2x

Athletes are often a good target for some drunk frat boy to test his manhood. Seen that many times in my day. I'm old school and don't see this as a big deal if the WR didn't start the fight. You certainly don't want athletes representing your school and team fighting on campus period but everyone has a right to defend themselves. Young immature men, nose in the wind, testoterone, drinking alchohol at a frat party. Sheet happens, people will mess with you.

[PantherRob82]

I've tried walking away from a drunk fighter before. He grabbed my wrist and wouldn't let go. After 4-5 requests to let go, I turned around and let him have it.

[Monarch History]

This is an unfortunate incident for the Spiders. If he is found guilty and is dismissed from the team it will be a shame. A redshirt freshman last year his future looked bright. :(

As others have said, kids have to learn to walk away or be prepared to pay the consequences.xnonox

[Appaholic]

Was he a transfer from Montana or Montana State? xwhistlex

[Uncle Buck]

As an athlete you are always under a microscope, much more so than a regular student. Like Kenny Rogers sings, "...some times you have to fight when you're a man."

[Appaholic]

Wow....."Coward of the County" metaphor......talk about a blast from the past...

[Tribe4SF]

As an athlete you are always under a microscope, much more so than a regular student. Like Kenny Rogers sings, "...some times you have to fight when you're a man."

And was Kenny talking about drunken banter at a frat party?xrolleyesx

[Appaholic]

And was Kenny talking about drunken banter at a frat party?xrolleyesx

...or were the frat guys gang-raping the player's wife like the antagonist in the song? That would deserve a pop in the nose......with a .45

[Eight Legger]

Why I am not shocked that this thread was started by a JMU fan....

[bandl]

Why I am not shocked that this thread was started by a JMU fan....

You're stretching for something...and it's pretty pathetic. There was absolutely nothing spiteful in the original post. Should he have waited until he received permission from one of you almighty UR faithful before posting the news? xcoffeex

[ur2k]

Sounds like a stupid fight at a frat party - Grayson has a counter-suit against the kid that filed charges. No police were called to the incident, so it'll probably be one word against the other. Hopefully they can get it all squared away and move on.

[jmuroller]

He could be the one that got "his" nose broken.

[Canyoncat]

Was he a transfer from Montana or Montana State? xwhistlex

That was just a bit uncalled for xnonox

Guess every school has those types "fans".

[Eight Legger]

Simply making an observation. Last I checked that was still legal.

I'll be the first one to say we should kick Grayson out of school if he is found to have maliciously wounded this other kid without provocation. I wish he used better judgment, and I am not defending punching someone in the face.

[BDKJMU]

Why I am not shocked that this thread was started by a JMU fan....

8 Legger, I may live in Southeastern PA (outside Philly) and be a JMU alum, but I was born in Richmond, grew up in Fredericksburg, my dad went to UR, my brother went to UR, and for several years I had a subscription to the RTD as it is, or at least was, a somewhat conservative paper. I still periodically check in on the RTD online outside of football season, and practically every day during football season, to follow the football and general news going ons in the state of VA. So there is nothing wrong with me posting something that is in the RTD on AGS that is relevant to UR, JMU, W&M, or any of the other I-AA programs in VA. :)

[GOKATS]

Was he a transfer from Montana or Montana State? xwhistlex

To say it mildly, FO!

[DTSpider]

What makes this kind of strange is the following:

1 - This was on the top of the front page in the sports section today with a big picture of Grayson, which seems completely overkill.

2 - Police were not called to the scene, not even the campus cops who are stationed outside the frats on the weekends. This happened days later...

3 - This response was written to the RTD, not evidence, but something to consider:

Posted February 19, 2008 @ 03:54 PM by Anonymous
First and foremost, I would like to state I witnessed the aforementioned incident. Grayson is not at fault here one bit. Brent Weikert provoked him, and appeared to be about to punch him. Yes things got out of hand, but no Grayson did not commit a malicious act. Question if someone was going to punch you would you protect yourself? YES! This is NOT news, it is heresy.


Now, I think atheletes should be held to a higher standard, but with all of the junk that goes on at UVA & Tech, it's really odd that this was printed today with the prominence it had. I am very close with a few employees at UR with close connections to the football program and they are surprised by this. We'll see what happens.

[soweagle]

I agree with others that athletes should be grateful for the opportunity they are given and should keep their nose clean. However, in this case it sounds like the young man is being targeted b/c he is an athlete. I say let the kid play and keep earning his scholarship unless something else comes out of this incident or if he has another incident. This is not worthy of the attention it is receiving, IMHO.

[mcveyrl]

What makes this kind of strange is the following:

1 - This was on the top of the front page in the sports section today with a big picture of Grayson, which seems completely overkill.

2 - Police were not called to the scene, not even the campus cops who are stationed outside the frats on the weekends. This happened days later...

3 - This response was written to the RTD, not evidence, but something to consider:



Now, I think atheletes should be held to a higher standard, but with all of the junk that goes on at UVA & Tech, it's really odd that this was printed today with the prominence it had. I am very close with a few employees at UR with close connections to the football program and they are surprised by this. We'll see what happens.

While that seems weird at first, we must remember...

If the Duke Lacrosse case taught the media anything, it's this equation - relatively successful athlete + hint of criminal act = $$$$$.

I hate to be so cynical, but that's what it seems like is going on here. DT makes some good points-to be front page news this seems awfully minor, especially considering that it looks like he might've been provoked.

[spdram]

Not condoning the act at all, but I have heard nothing that would warrant taking his ship away. Even if not at fault he should be punished, and I am sure he will. As for the malicious wounding charge, a quirk in the VA statute, any breaking of the skin is a malicious wounding (the broken nose). I never have liked the idea of holding athletes to a "higher standard", I feel all should be held to a reasonable standard and given a just punishment if convicted.

[GannonFan]

In my college days I made a trip down to Richmond and frequented a few parties on the frat row they have there (assume it's still like that) and almost got in a fight myself. It's college, it happens, and athletes are looked at in a more magnified light. From the accounts on here and the papers, I'd be kinda shocked if this results in anything. However, Grayson is absolutely key for Richmond - this guy's a flat out stud and easily the best reciever in the conference - he's needed for Richmond to succeed in anyway next year.

[Bettina90]

I am guessing that he'll be fine. Only thing that works against him is the new coaching staff and any potential rush to judgement. Nothing trickling in that suggests he provoked anything.

[Hoyadestroya85]

I am guessing that he'll be fine. Only thing that works against him is the new coaching staff and any potential rush to judgement. Nothing trickling in that suggests he provoked anything.

Like the rush to judgment after the incident last August at Villanova.. everyone i know on the football team says that the allegations against those three were absolutely false...

[UNH SUPERFAN]

Is Grayson the freshman WR from last year, very talented and seem to know he was after every catch he made? If so I'll bet he is trouble waiting to happen. If it isn't this incident there will be another.

[Bettina90]

Is Grayson the freshman WR from last year, very talented and seem to know he was after every catch he made? If so I'll bet he is trouble waiting to happen. If it isn't this incident there will be another.




Not sure why you'd say that. Grayson really does not showboat much at all. You might be thinking of an incident or two vs. you guys (which I do not recall despite watching the whole game) but he was pretty much a blue-collar type guy every game I watched (which was about 8 of them).

[DTSpider]

Is Grayson the freshman WR from last year, very talented and seem to know he was after every catch he made? If so I'll bet he is trouble waiting to happen. If it isn't this incident there will be another.

To make the leap from someone's on the field performance to this is reckless at best. There's more to this out there and it's a real shame because there are other atheletes who may deserve this type of attention, but from everything I've heard, Grayson is not one of them.

[ur2k]

Is Grayson the freshman WR from last year, very talented and seem to know he was after every catch he made? If so I'll bet he is trouble waiting to happen. If it isn't this incident there will be another.

Congratulations, you win the jackass post of the week award.

[jmuroller]

What's sad about all this is that the Little Frat Boy is probably a spoiled rich kid whose parents will and can afford to have a high priced lawyer handle everything. Grayson will have to fork out a couple thousand dollars at the very minimum, and that is money he and his family probably don't have or can't afford to. Rich spoiled frat boy -vs- Not rich football player.

btw--I'm not saying Grayson and his family are poor, or that all football players are poor, but a good majority of them are and the only way they could afford college is with a football scholarship.

[DTSpider]

What's sad about all this is that the Little Frat Boy is probably a spoiled rich kid whose parents will and can afford to have a high priced lawyer handle everything. Grayson will have to fork out a couple thousand dollars at the very minimum, and that is money he and his family probably don't have or can't afford to. Rich spoiled frat boy -vs- Not rich football player.

btw--I'm not saying Grayson and his family are poor, or that all football players are poor, but a good majority of them are and the only way they could afford college is with a football scholarship.

I agree completely, although Grayson's lawyer is an ex-UR football player and will probably do the work for free.

Not to mention that spoiled rich kid appears to have made the first move. Bottom line to me is that although Grayson made a poor choice, it did not warrant the media attention it received.

[lizrdgizrd]

Sounds like Grayson is deserving of some sort of administrative punishment by the team but nothing involving loss of playing time or worse.

[UNH SUPERFAN]

Congratulations, you win the jackass post of the week award.

Is that him (number 3) or not???

[ur2k]

#3 is our fullback John Crone. Grayson is #1. Seems like a good kid - I don't remember any incidents like you described above - and I saw most of UR games this past year.

[Tribe4SF]

Easy to jump to conclusions on either side of this one. The court will sort it out. Right or wrong, the days are long gone when if a guy acts like an a** you get to break his nose. I'm no lawyer, but the simple assault counter charge may mean the other kid never put his hands on him. If that's the case, Kevin may have a hard time beating this.

[URMite]

Hate to bump this thread but...I agree that over the last few years frats seem to have made a sport of targeting athletes to prove themselves more than usual.

I'm not sure what the situation was in this case but there is a little more public background on the other party. He seems to have some standing in the frat and was a UR athlete his first two years but not his last two. I have no idea about his economic status. xlolx So I'm not sure this can be viewed as rich vs poor or frat vs jock.

Indefinite suspension seems to usually be UR's way of saying we know there is an issue and we are waiting for more info.

I also agree that the paper gave this a bit more attention than it needs (yet...). It should be reported but top of the 1st page of the sports section with a wallet sized photo seemed premature. But that may be because Grayson is a local kid.

[URMite]

Easy to jump to conclusions on either side of this one. The court will sort it out. Right or wrong, the days are long gone when if a guy acts like an a** you get to break his nose. I'm no lawyer, but the simple assault counter charge may mean the other kid never put his hands on him. If that's the case, Kevin may have a hard time beating this.

I'm not an attorney either but for the simple assault charge to stick wouldn't the other kid have to touch you in a threatening or at least unwanted manner?

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

I agree completely, although Grayson's lawyer is an ex-UR football player and will probably do the work for free.

Not to mention that spoiled rich kid appears to have made the first move. Bottom line to me is that although Grayson made a poor choice, it did not warrant the media attention it received.

Not sure you want to be posting that on the internet
xrulesx

[Tribe4SF]

I'm not an attorney either but for the simple assault charge to stick wouldn't the other kid have to touch you in a threatening or at least unwanted manner?

I believe simple assault can mean just being in someone's personal space (defined as arms length) in a way that could be perceived as threatening. Putting hands on someone I believe constitutes battery. I would guess Grayson's outcome will come down to whether the Judge thinks he used reasonable force relative to the threat, and whether he had other options.

And, no, I'm sure the former UR player will not be providing pro-bono services here. That's all UR would need...to stack an NCAA violation onto this.

[URMite]

I believe simple assault can mean just being in someone's personal space (defined as arms length) in a way that could be perceived as threatening. Putting hands on someone I believe constitutes battery. I would guess Grayson's outcome will come down to whether the Judge thinks he used reasonable force relative to the threat, and whether he had other options.

And, no, I'm sure the former UR player will not be providing pro-bono services here. That's all UR would need...to stack an NCAA violation onto this.

I did not realize that, maybe because I haven't had to deal with it. :)
I knew battery involved touching with either force or harm, but thought assault could involve touching without force. For instance I thought if you grabbed someone's shirt so you could take a swing at them that it was assault with the one hand and battery with the other. But as I said I'm not an expert.

[terrierbob]

I was a high school wrestler cursed with the moniker "Brillo", or alternately, "Steel Wool". My hair was curly, the wrestling coach was an idiot, etc. Though the ladies found it attractive (those golden-hued amber ringlets cascading down my broad shoulders), the coach enjoyed harassing me. I made the team anyway. Often, young men with too much beer and an all-too eager impulse to prove their manhood would challenge me to a fight in the various watering holes in my modest home town. Normally, I'd walk away from the sneering, cotton mill tinged redneck call of "hey brillo-what's that ni**er shi* on your hay-id"? Only once, cornered, did I have to knock the crap out of a kid. Ironically, the Coach somehow enjoyed that I "whupped ass" and he stopped riding me. He later died an ignoble death by hanging surrounded by gay porn mags. Really.

I guess in the 21st century I'd be off the team.

[DTSpider]

Quick question on the NCAA rules, would an athlete always have to pay for his own lawyer? Aren't people allowed a court appointed attorney for free? Could UR pay for it? I'm sure that UR will operate in a manner in compliance with NCAA standards.

Having been in touch with more people on-campus, this is a very interesting topic in relation to UR. This is not the first incident on-campus with fights between frats and atheletes. We'll see what happens.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Quick question on the NCAA rules, would an athlete always have to pay for his own lawyer? Aren't people allowed a court appointed attorney for free? Could UR pay for it? I'm sure that UR will operate in a manner in compliance with NCAA standards.

Having been in touch with more people on-campus, this is a very interesting topic in relation to UR. This is not the first incident on-campus with fights between frats and atheletes. We'll see what happens.

The talk was not of a court appointed lawyer but a UR alum taking the case N/C. That would be giving/offering an athlete special things not offered to all students.xnonox xnonox

[DTSpider]

There are a few UR alums who are civil defendents. Wouldn't be a huge stretch for it to be court appointed.

Regardless, was mostly just curious.

Only mention in the "real press" was that his lawyer is a former football player at UR. The "no charge" appears to be inaccurate.