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Go...gate
January 20th, 2025, 02:13 AM
Coach Fitzpatrick met for about thirty minutes with local and regional media last week in Hamilton. All seemed to go well

He is still finalizing the hiring of his staff.

Today, he met with the full squad.

Despite the coaching transition, Colgate still garnered eleven new signees.

RichH2
January 20th, 2025, 09:57 AM
Hope he works out for Gate. PL better with Gate competing for the title.

NY Crusader 2010
January 21st, 2025, 08:15 AM
Hope he works out for Gate. PL better with Gate competing for the title.

100%. Has the Patriot League ever had a stretch where Lehigh, Colgate, Holy Cross and Fordham were all good at the same time? I hope that's where we're headed.

Wolffan
January 21st, 2025, 08:46 AM
Coach Fitzpatrick met for about thirty minutes with local and regional media last week in Hamilton. All seemed to go well

He is still finalizing the hiring of his staff.

Today, he met with the full squad.

Despite the coaching transition, Colgate still garnered eleven new signees. As long as these are quality signees Colgate can return to its competitive self. The margins are very thin in the PL and a top recruit or two (along with a good new coach) makes all the difference.

Wolffan
January 21st, 2025, 08:52 AM
100%. Has the Patriot League ever had a stretch where Lehigh, Colgate, Holy Cross and Fordham were all good at the same time? I hope that's where we're headed. Along those lines I've always wondered if HC's recent dominance was a cause of the relative decline of a few PL programs (by winning recruit battles and thus weakening their rosters... and then beating them on the field) or if there was an entirely coincidental and simultaneous decline in a few PL football programs. Probably a combination of both.

Kramden
January 21st, 2025, 12:57 PM
I hope the new coach can turn around the program, but admittedly, I am not sold on picking a D3 coach who, although wining the Championship one year didn;t exaclty build a dynasty. I need to see if he will be able to recruit a higher level of athlete, which for Colgate has been deteriotrating for many years now. Any way, I wish him well.

DFW HOYA
January 21st, 2025, 01:19 PM
Along those lines I've always wondered if HC's recent dominance was a cause of the relative decline of a few PL programs (by winning recruit battles and thus weakening their rosters... and then beating them on the field) or if there was an entirely coincidental and simultaneous decline in a few PL football programs. Probably a combination of both.

Probably a combination of:

1. Better coaching: Chesney was a more active recruiter and a better game day coach than his predecessor.

2. Talent: Matthew Sluka was ascendant when other PL quarterbacks were in a period of relative decline. His style was not as common when he arrived but is more prevalent now.

3. Coaching turnover elsewhere: John Garrett took over for Frank Tavani, Tom Gilmore took over for Andy Coen, there was coaching instability at Fordham, and Dan Hunt was pushed out at Colgate, all of which set these schools back a bit.

Go...gate
January 21st, 2025, 11:34 PM
I hope the new coach can turn around the program, but admittedly, I am not sold on picking a D3 coach who, although wining the Championship one year didn;t exaclty build a dynasty. I need to see if he will be able to recruit a higher level of athlete, which for Colgate has been deteriorating for many years now. Any way, I wish him well.

Kramden, I share your reservations about a Division III coach but disagree that Colgate's athletes have been deteriorating.

ngineer
January 24th, 2025, 09:06 PM
Along those lines I've always wondered if HC's recent dominance was a cause of the relative decline of a few PL programs (by winning recruit battles and thus weakening their rosters... and then beating them on the field) or if there was an entirely coincidental and simultaneous decline in a few PL football programs. Probably a combination of both.

With Lehigh, it was a confluence of ***** occurring within small window. Coen's illness, which impacted coaching and recruiting; then his resignation and sudden hiring of Gilmore which added to the effluent, only to be exacerbated by the COVID pandemic which put a double whammy on recruiting. Many thought it would take Lehigh 3-4 years to fully recover once Gilmore was released. Surprisingly, the hiring of Cahill in conjunction with a solid staff and an excellent first year recruiting class and the leadership of the seniors who stayed committed, came together to have Lehigh rebound with a tremendous season in 2024. Preseason, most would have been overjoyed with a 4-5 win season. So, to answer your question, "timing can be everything." Hopefully, "we're back" to stay for awhile.

DFW HOYA
January 24th, 2025, 09:39 PM
Hopefully, "we're back" to stay for awhile.

So, what have we got for 2025?

Richmond: "Here we come."
Holy Cross: "We're still here."
Lehigh: "We're back."
Lafayette: "So are we."
Colgate: "Here we come."
Fordham: "Don't sell us short."
Georgetown: "There's always hope."
Bucknell: "What he said."

RichH2
January 25th, 2025, 11:29 AM
So, what have we got for 2025?

Richmond: "Here we come."
Holy Cross: "We're still here."
Lehigh: "We're back."
Lafayette: "So are we."
Colgate: "Here we come."
Fordham: "Don't sell us short."
Georgetown: "There's always hope."
Bucknell: "What he said."
The perfect caption for the PL going into '25
🏈🤣😊

Easton13
January 27th, 2025, 11:29 AM
So, what have we got for 2025?

Richmond: "Here we come."
Holy Cross: "We're still here."
Lehigh: "We're back."
Lafayette: "So are we."
Colgate: "Here we come."
Fordham: "Don't sell us short."
Georgetown: "There's always hope."
Bucknell: "What he said."

Smells like a multi-bid Patriot to me. xthumbsupx

Kramden
January 27th, 2025, 11:45 AM
Smells like a multi-bid Patriot to me. xthumbsupx
I doubt it. With the IVY's coming in taking away one Bid, I can't see the PL getting more than the Auto Bid. They will need to start having a better record as a Conference in their OOC games in my opinion.

RichH2
January 27th, 2025, 11:59 AM
Smells like a multi-bid Patriot to me. xthumbsupx

PL is improving quite a bit. More depth of good teams. Unless our OOC improves I don't see 2 bids particularly with the Ivies now playoff bound.

Easton13
January 28th, 2025, 04:46 PM
Woof, tough crowd. The comedy needs a bit of work, I guess.

Go...gate
January 28th, 2025, 11:41 PM
I doubt it. With the IVY's coming in taking away one Bid, I can't see the PL getting more than the Auto Bid. They will need to start having a better record as a Conference in their OOC games in my opinion.

Agreed.

DFW HOYA
January 29th, 2025, 12:29 AM
I doubt it. With the IVY's coming in taking away one Bid, I can't see the PL getting more than the Auto Bid. They will need to start having a better record as a Conference in their OOC games in my opinion.

And yet, the lure of guarantee games will be an anchor on its non-conf. schedules:

Bucknell at Air Force
Colgate at Syracuse
Fordham at Boston College
Holy Cross at Northern Illinois
Lafayette at Bowling Green St.
Lafayette at Oregon State
Richmond at North Carolina

Go...gate
January 29th, 2025, 03:06 AM
And yet, the lure of guarantee games will be an anchor on its non-conf. schedules:

Bucknell at Air Force
Colgate at Syracuse
Fordham at Boston College
Holy Cross at Northern Illinois
Lafayette at Bowling Green St.
Lafayette at Oregon State
Richmond at North Carolina

Georgetown should give it a try.

DFW HOYA
January 29th, 2025, 09:35 AM
Georgetown should give it a try.

It's likely no one's calling.

Remember, even Marist had a game scheduled with Army before the Cadets rearranged its schedule for the AAC.

Bill
January 29th, 2025, 12:15 PM
Georgetown should give it a try.

So should Lehigh (unless I've missed something)...

RichH2
January 29th, 2025, 06:45 PM
So should Lehigh (unless I've missed something)...

Lehigh rarely sought FBS games. Sterrett and Coen also avoided out of area dates.
With a new AD and Head Coach we may start seeing more adventurous scheduling.

Go...gate
January 29th, 2025, 11:40 PM
It's likely no one's calling.

Remember, even Marist had a game scheduled with Army before the Cadets rearranged its schedule for the AAC.

Did Georgetown ever reach out to Annapolis?

Go...gate
January 29th, 2025, 11:42 PM
So should Lehigh (unless I've missed something)...

Lehigh played West Point last year.

NY Crusader 2010
January 30th, 2025, 05:43 AM
Looks like both Army and Navy are taking a break from the Patriot League for most of the remainder of the 2020's. I think Army has Bucknell one year and that's about it. Army used to play 2 FCS teams / year while independent and that drops to one now that they're in the AAC. Given 8 conference games, regularly rivalry games with Air Force and Navy, that leaves 2 open dates each year for Army. They're going to play an FBS school for at least one of those. Navy has even less wiggle room -- 8 AAC, Notre Dame, Army, Air Force, which leaves only 1 open date per season. Most of the time, they use this to play an FCS to lock in a home game.

NY Crusader 2010
January 30th, 2025, 05:48 AM
Lehigh played West Point last year.

Lehigh currently as zero FBS pay games on the books in coming years. Hope something materializes because they should be expected to put some solid teams on the field.

Bill
January 30th, 2025, 06:35 AM
Lehigh played West Point last year.

Yes, I know that. We get the occasional Army / Navy game, but I was thinking something a bit bigger !

NY Crusader 2010
January 30th, 2025, 03:54 PM
Lehigh should be looking to get a MAC school or two on the schedule, or Temple. Get games you have a chance at a scalp...how about Delaware?

Lehigh Football Nation
January 31st, 2025, 12:31 AM
I believe last I checked Lehigh was looking into an FBS game in the next couple of years, but I don't recall the opponent. As everyone has mentioned, there are a lot fewer games against the Military Academies available now thanks to conference play, but I believe the Army game was such a great experience for Lehigh in every way that if they could manage to secure another game against one of those schools, they'd go for it. Not just my word for it - everything about the experience on both sides, from rearranging the game to how the players were treated, was top notch, everything I heard.

NY Crusader 2010
January 31st, 2025, 02:11 PM
I believe last I checked Lehigh was looking into an FBS game in the next couple of years, but I don't recall the opponent. As everyone has mentioned, there are a lot fewer games against the Military Academies available now thanks to conference play, but I believe the Army game was such a great experience for Lehigh in every way that if they could manage to secure another game against one of those schools, they'd go for it. Not just my word for it - everything about the experience on both sides, from rearranging the game to how the players were treated, was top notch, everything I heard.

Navy was VERY loyal to the Patriot League when it came to scheduling for a good decade as soon as we went scholarship.

DFW HOYA
January 31st, 2025, 03:15 PM
Navy was VERY loyal to the Patriot League when it came to scheduling for a good decade as soon as we went scholarship.

It has played five of the seven schools since 2014.

DFW HOYA
January 31st, 2025, 03:38 PM
Navy was VERY loyal to the Patriot League when it came to scheduling for a good decade as soon as we went scholarship.

Did Georgetown ever reach out to Annapolis?


No inside information, but between the Notre Dame series and the CIC Trophy (and with HC's comment above), Georgetown wasn't getting a call.


All that said, Georgetown isn't entirely blameless in its scheduling. Yes, it's one of 20 schools who do not meet the 57.6 scholarship criteria for bowl-eligible FBS games, so that's a non-starter for probably 100 schools, but even the ones that would consider it don't even have Georgetown on the radar since the school doesn't actively promote itself as an opponent. That, and Rob Sgarlata is also 37 games under .500 after 11 seasons, and every win counts. A 60-0 loss to Maryland wouldn't do him any favors inside the University, so he's likely not searching to fill a game at Oregon State when he can take a bus trip to Davidson.

Former head coach Bob Benson sold Ivy league opponents as the perfect mix of academic rival and athletically competitive matchups. It isn't working. Against Ivy teams not named Columbia or Cornell, Georgetown is 2-26 since 2003, a combined 0-15 versus Harvard, Penn, and Yale and neither students nor fans care very much at all about Columbia or Brown appearing once on a home schedule every two years. The regional teams that could be of interest (Maryland, Navy, Howard, Towson, Delaware, JMU, even Villanova) are either wholly uninterested or are seen as noncompetitive. The last ranked team Georgetown played outside the PL/Ivy umbrella was a home and home versus Richmond in 2008 and 2009: the Spiders outscored the Hoyas by a combined 97-10.


Here are the nonconference FCS opponents outside the Ivy League Georgetown has played in the past 10 years. None were probably in the top 100 of FCS, much less of interest to schools seeking a capable opponent to fill a date.


Campbell (2017,18)
Davidson (2016,19,24)
Delaware St. (2021)
Marist (2015 through 2024)
Morgan St. (2021)
Monmouth (2022)
Sacred Heart (2023.24)
St. Francis (2015,22)
Stonehill (2023)


So, you're 37-74 with a budget half the size of everyone else. How would you schedule, aim low or aim high?

The Boogie Down
January 31st, 2025, 08:31 PM
FIFY:


So, what have we got for 2025?

Richmond: "Here we come."
Holy Cross: "We're still here."
Lehigh: "We're back."
Lafayette: "So are we."
Colgate: "Don't sell us short."
Fordham: "MoFo Conlin."
Georgetown: "There's always hope."
Bucknell: "What he said."

For years Colgate has always been the team to bounce back up just when they seem out for the count. That's the one PL team I'd never sell short. Meanwhile, Fordham has been underachieving since the day Clueless Joe came on campus. From Tim DeMorat, to CJ Montes, to our new guy from UCF, Conlin will figure out a way to not make the playoffs.

The Boogie Down
January 31st, 2025, 08:37 PM
Here are the nonconference FCS opponents outside the Ivy League Georgetown has played in the past 10 years. None were probably in the top 100 of FCS, much less of interest to schools seeking a capable opponent to fill a date.

Campbell (2017,18)
Davidson (2016,19,24)
Delaware St. (2021)
Marist (2015 through 2024)
Morgan St. (2021)
Monmouth (2022)
Sacred Heart (2023.24)
St. Francis (2015,22)
Stonehill (2023)

So, you're 37-74 with a budget half the size of everyone else. How would you schedule, aim low or aim high?

The answer has been the same for over a decade. Add scholarships like everyone else in the league. Then you'll be able to build a more attractive OOC schedule. It's not that complicated.

(Oh and adding a second set of stands to what I think is a very good looking first set would be nice too.)

DFW HOYA
January 31st, 2025, 09:57 PM
The answer has been the same for over a decade. Add scholarships like everyone else in the league. Then you'll be able to build a more attractive OOC schedule. It's not that complicated. (Oh and adding a second set of stands to what I think is a very good looking first set would be nice too.)

If Georgetown gave out 63 full scholarships to the 2024 team, what would its record have been? Well, 5-6. Scholarships don't win games, recruits do, and the same issues previously discussed above apply to scheduling.

A second set of stands would be nice at Georgetown. (And at Fordham too.)

Lehigh Football Nation
January 31st, 2025, 11:02 PM
The PL Ivy games will be different now that they will all have possible FCS Playoff implications. More will pay attention and those games will have more at stake. And not for nothing, Columbia were co-Ivy Champs this year (and beat Lafayette), so it's probably unfair to portray a win (or loss) to them last year as chopped liver.

More to the point Georgetown will have fewer places to hide schedule-wise should they choose to not compete. I don't think it's right to think of the Ivy games the way we used to.

NY Crusader 2010
February 1st, 2025, 07:21 AM
The PL Ivy games will be different now that they will all have possible FCS Playoff implications. More will pay attention and those games will have more at stake. And not for nothing, Columbia were co-Ivy Champs this year (and beat Lafayette), so it's probably unfair to portray a win (or loss) to them last year as chopped liver.

More to the point Georgetown will have fewer places to hide schedule-wise should they choose to not compete. I don't think it's right to think of the Ivy games the way we used to.

I was listening to 101.9 in NYC to the Boomer (Esiason) & Gio Show yesterday morning and they somehow came across the topic of Ivy League football and the three-way tie this year. I guess Boomer saw a picture online of the three coaches all holding the trophy. The conversation then shifted to Boomer mentioning that the Ivy League would be "eligible for the College Football Playoff" for the first time this year. Then the conversation shifted to the strangeness of a three-way tie and about how they would decipher it to determine which team got to go to the postseason. That went on for 5 minutes. Obviously, it actually would've been extremely simple. Harvard beat both of the other two and would've won the NCAA auto-bid last year.

Go...gate
February 3rd, 2025, 02:39 AM
The PL Ivy games will be different now that they will all have possible FCS Playoff implications. More will pay attention and those games will have more at stake. And not for nothing, Columbia were co-Ivy Champs this year (and beat Lafayette), so it's probably unfair to portray a win (or loss) to them last year as chopped liver.

More to the point Georgetown will have fewer places to hide schedule-wise should they choose to not compete. I don't think it's right to think of the Ivy games the way we used to.

They have been making this "choice" for many years.

Kramden
February 3rd, 2025, 07:31 AM
The PL Ivy games will be different now that they will all have possible FCS Playoff implications. More will pay attention and those games will have more at stake. And not for nothing, Columbia were co-Ivy Champs this year (and beat Lafayette), so it's probably unfair to portray a win (or loss) to them last year as chopped liver.

More to the point Georgetown will have fewer places to hide schedule-wise should they choose to not compete. I don't think it's right to think of the Ivy games the way we used to.

Maybe I see it differently, but why would the PL/IVY games have any more implication? By the IVY's participating in the playoffs as an AQ, they are actually making it harder for either a Patriot or IVY at large to qualify. There will be one less slot, and I would suspect that a record against OOC opponents from a power conference would have more of an implcation for a potential at large bid.. So, I, for one, don't see where the IVY-Patriot matchups will have any implication besides a potential seed.

DFW HOYA
February 3rd, 2025, 10:22 AM
They have been making this "choice" for many years.

This is a false assertion and one which conflates choices with options.

Georgetown competes every year. If they didn't, the league would have revoked its associate membership by 2009, if not sooner. Bucknell competes too, except the PL would be less interested in revoking its membership if it came to pass. Claiming that Georgetown "chooses not to compete" with football scholarships is like saying Colgate "chooses not to have a campus in New York City". It's not an option.

Georgetown is capacity constrained by DC law, so it can't add extra seats at marginal cost. The school has 128 athletic scholarships in its budget, roughly 62 men's grants, and that's it--all the other money goes into need based aid. Football doesn't have the choice to say they would like all 62, or 30 of 62, or even 10 of those 62. The Big East has certain commitments on full scholarship sports which leaves Georgetown with roughly 10 or 11 men's grants to work with across seven or eight other men's sports. Two or three scholarships for men's golf might be enough to get to a conference championship every few years. Those same two or three scholarships for football doesn't change the calculus.

Nor would 10. Nor would 20. I would argue that 63 really doesn't change it either as long as it can't recruit on a level playing field--Georgetown with a 210 AI is basically Cornell. The Big Red have one winning season since 2000 (as does Georgetown) and hasn't posted an eight win season since 1986. Does anyone here argue that Cornell chooses not to compete?

The choice for Georgetown was "do we compete in the PL or the NEC" , and they made that choice. The options to compete are limited by budget, by capacity, and by commitments.

Wolffan
February 3rd, 2025, 10:49 AM
As long as Georgetown schedules a "winnable" OOC and can pick off a couple of PL teams each year they are just fine. I do think the Richmond addition means .500 will be an even greater challenge going forward. I suspect the Patriot League loves having Georgetown as part of their football league.

Go...gate
February 4th, 2025, 12:58 AM
This is a false assertion and one which conflates choices with options.

Georgetown competes every year. If they didn't, the league would have revoked its associate membership by 2009, if not sooner. Bucknell competes too, except the PL would be less interested in revoking its membership if it came to pass. Claiming that Georgetown "chooses not to compete" with football scholarships is like saying Colgate "chooses not to have a campus in New York City". It's not an option.

Georgetown is capacity constrained by DC law, so it can't add extra seats at marginal cost. The school has 128 athletic scholarships in its budget, roughly 62 men's grants, and that's it--all the other money goes into need based aid. Football doesn't have the choice to say they would like all 62, or 30 of 62, or even 10 of those 62. The Big East has certain commitments on full scholarship sports which leaves Georgetown with roughly 10 or 11 men's grants to work with across seven or eight other men's sports. Two or three scholarships for men's golf might be enough to get to a conference championship every few years. Those same two or three scholarships for football doesn't change the calculus.

Nor would 10. Nor would 20. I would argue that 63 really doesn't change it either as long as it can't recruit on a level playing field--Georgetown with a 210 AI is basically Cornell. The Big Red have one winning season since 2000 (as does Georgetown) and hasn't posted an eight win season since 1986. Does anyone here argue that Cornell chooses not to compete?

The choice for Georgetown was "do we compete in the PL or the NEC" , and they made that choice. The options to compete are limited by budget, by capacity, and by commitments.

It is highly presumptuous to frame Patriot League Football from an AI/recruiting standpoint as Georgetown and a bunch of academically inferior schools, which somehow entitles Georgetown to its own special set of recruiting guidelines. If anything, THAT is the "false assertion".

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NY Crusader 2010
February 4th, 2025, 06:42 AM
This is a false assertion and one which conflates choices with options.

Georgetown competes every year. If they didn't, the league would have revoked its associate membership by 2009, if not sooner. Bucknell competes too, except the PL would be less interested in revoking its membership if it came to pass. Claiming that Georgetown "chooses not to compete" with football scholarships is like saying Colgate "chooses not to have a campus in New York City". It's not an option.

Georgetown is capacity constrained by DC law, so it can't add extra seats at marginal cost. The school has 128 athletic scholarships in its budget, roughly 62 men's grants, and that's it--all the other money goes into need based aid. Football doesn't have the choice to say they would like all 62, or 30 of 62, or even 10 of those 62. The Big East has certain commitments on full scholarship sports which leaves Georgetown with roughly 10 or 11 men's grants to work with across seven or eight other men's sports. Two or three scholarships for men's golf might be enough to get to a conference championship every few years. Those same two or three scholarships for football doesn't change the calculus.

Nor would 10. Nor would 20. I would argue that 63 really doesn't change it either as long as it can't recruit on a level playing field--Georgetown with a 210 AI is basically Cornell. The Big Red have one winning season since 2000 (as does Georgetown) and hasn't posted an eight win season since 1986. Does anyone here argue that Cornell chooses not to compete?

The choice for Georgetown was "do we compete in the PL or the NEC" , and they made that choice. The options to compete are limited by budget, by capacity, and by commitments.

1) I'm confused. Wouldn't Cornell have the easiest ability to recruit in the Ivy League based on AI? If you apply the Georgetown in the PL parallel to the Ivy League, wouldn't Cornell and Penn be able to recruit players that Harvard, Princeton and Yale can't?
2) Isn't Cornell pretty competitive in a number of sports besides football?

DFW HOYA
February 4th, 2025, 09:28 AM
1) I'm confused. Wouldn't Cornell have the easiest ability to recruit in the Ivy League based on AI? If you apply the Georgetown in the PL parallel to the Ivy League, wouldn't Cornell and Penn be able to recruit players that Harvard, Princeton and Yale can't?
2) Isn't Cornell pretty competitive in a number of sports besides football?

The comparison was to Cornell competitively, not in terms of recruiting. Neither school has moved up their respective league's football ladder in the past quarter century.

Cornell may have a lower AI but if it comes down to Harvard or Cornell or Yale or Cornell, chances are good that recruit is not going to Ithaca.

Wolffan
February 4th, 2025, 09:49 AM
The comparison was to Cornell competitively, not in terms of recruiting. Neither school has moved up their respective league's football ladder in the past quarter century.

Cornell may have a lower AI but if it comes down to Harvard or Cornell or Yale or Cornell, chances are good that recruit is not going to Ithaca.

Any AI concerns regarding Georgetown and recruiting are de minimis compared to the lack of Georgetown football scholarships and recruiting. Georgetown's football facilities also impact recruiting but, again, de minimis.

(Also, Georgetown is like Harvard in that it is the most prestigious school in the league with the highest AI but unlike Harvard it cannot out recruit any of its league competitors? Perhaps the fact Georgetown cannot out recruit its league competitors has almost nothing to do with its relative AI.)

NY Crusader 2010
February 4th, 2025, 11:07 AM
The comparison was to Cornell competitively, not in terms of recruiting. Neither school has moved up their respective league's football ladder in the past quarter century.

Cornell may have a lower AI but if it comes down to Harvard or Cornell or Yale or Cornell, chances are good that recruit is not going to Ithaca.

Got it, in that sense the Georgetown-Cornell comparison is spot on.

Go...gate
February 6th, 2025, 03:08 AM
Georgetown has a $3.6 billion dollar endowment. It cannot afford at least SOME football scholarships?

DFW HOYA
February 6th, 2025, 10:39 AM
Georgetown has a $3.6 billion dollar endowment. It cannot afford at least SOME football scholarships?

Not this again. It's akin to the "why can't Harvard give everyone free tuition" argument.

Many returns on endowment funds are set aside for specific needs. A gift to the law center can't be used for the medical school, for example. What unrestricted funds there are support a mammoth line item for need based financial aid: $285 million, or roughly 20% of the annual budget. In 1978, that line item was $2 million.

Need based aid has been Priority 1 for 45 years, which is also why 80% of its student-athletes still aren't on scholarship. Can that change? Sure. The outgoing president bought into the Ivy League model for football--he played at Georgetown in the low-wattage Div. III era. Maybe that changes with a new president, maybe it doesn't. The lack of an upward movement in a lower-tier conference like the PL doesn't help the argument, however. A $5-6 million annual commitment on scholarships isn't getting Georgetown to a playoff game or crowds of 20,000 downtown, it gets them to 6-5 instead of 5-6.

Go...gate
February 7th, 2025, 02:50 AM
Not this again. It's akin to the "why can't Harvard give everyone free tuition" argument.

Many returns on endowment funds are set aside for specific needs. A gift to the law center can't be used for the medical school, for example. What unrestricted funds there are support a mammoth line item for need based financial aid: $285 million, or roughly 20% of the annual budget. In 1978, that line item was $2 million.

Need based aid has been Priority 1 for 45 years, which is also why 80% of its student-athletes still aren't on scholarship. Can that change? Sure. The outgoing president bought into the Ivy League model for football--he played at Georgetown in the low-wattage Div. III era. Maybe that changes with a new president, maybe it doesn't. The lack of an upward movement in a lower-tier conference like the PL doesn't help the argument, however. A $5-6 million annual commitment on scholarships isn't getting Georgetown to a playoff game or crowds of 20,000 downtown, it gets them to 6-5 instead of 5-6.

This is one of those times where I spent a lot of thought and time preparing a comprehensive answer, but deleted it for the good of the order.

DFW HOYA
February 7th, 2025, 04:38 AM
This is one of those times where I spent a lot of thought and time preparing a comprehensive answer, but deleted it for the good of the order.

I've been there too. Here's to a solid 2025 season for the Raiders.

Go...gate
February 8th, 2025, 03:00 AM
I've been there too. Here's to a solid 2025 season for the Raiders.

From your lips to God's ears. And right back to you and the Hoyas for a successful season!