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uofmman1122
December 18th, 2024, 08:10 PM
The Vanderbilt QB that exhausted his eligibility (through Juco) that's suing to be able to play next year has received a preliminary injunction to play. This is one step closer to a potential world where as long as you're enrolled in classes, you are eligible to play football.
https://x.com/samcehrlich/status/1869509969823051968
Libertine
December 19th, 2024, 08:04 AM
The Vanderbilt QB that exhausted his eligibility (through Juco) that's suing to be able to play next year has received a preliminary injunction to play. This is one step closer to a potential world where as long as you're enrolled in classes, you are eligible to play football.
https://x.com/samcehrlich/status/1869509969823051968
The enrollment part would really only be new for D1 though. In D2, eligibility has been 9 semesters -- as opposed to being measured in years in D1 -- so you would often see players prolong their college careers by withdrawing from school for the spring and re-enrolling for the fall. I remember a few years back when West Liberty had a QB who was 25 years old but who was only a junior in the classroom.
I think this is actually really good for juco's and, potentially, also FCS. Juco's have always occupied a space for helping players with borderline academic status or borderline athletic skills improve their standing but at the cost of losing time to utilize it; this would open up juco's essentially as a developmental level of college football that doesn't cost the players that time at the next level and from which they can still potentially earn a starter degree. At the same time, FCS -- which, unfortunately, has already become something of a developmental level for FBS -- could potentially benefit in that borderline or players who think they've been overlooked would be using the juco route to get to FBS as opposed to hitting the transfer portal after one or two years in FCS. This could make FCS rosters a little less talented but also a little more stable.
FUBeAR
December 19th, 2024, 09:36 AM
The Vanderbilt QB that exhausted his eligibility (through Juco) that's suing to be able to play next year has received a preliminary injunction to play. This is one step closer to a potential world where as long as you're enrolled in classes, you are eligible to play football.
https://x.com/samcehrlich/status/1869509969823051968
Exactly. This is what FUBeAR has been saying for about a year or 2 now.
We’re foolish to think about “eligibility” under the framework of Intercollegiate Athletics.
”Intercollegiate Athletics” no longer exists. We now have Professional Pretend College Football. The schools want the NCAA to lose any case regarding eligibility restrictions. That gives them ‘cover.’ ….
“It wasn’t us. We believe in Intercollegiate Athletics and the development of our Student Athletes in our university which embodies only the height of academic integrity and is completely absent of hypocrisy in that regard. But, we are bound by the rulings of the justice system of our great country and the rules of the NCAA.
With that said, let me introduce you to our latest Football personnel acquisition.
Slingin’ Sammy “Stacks” Simoleons, Sr. is now our starting QB. We signed “Stacks” for $50 million for this Fall. He comes to us after winning 7 National Championships in his 9 years as the starting QB for Alabama. Before joining the Crimson Tide, he led Michigan to 5 National Championships in his 6 season there; coming to Ann Arbor after 4 undefeated championship seasons at Itawamba Community College in Mississippi.
Per NCAA requirements, Sammy will be a Student Athlete at Whatsamatta U. He is enrolling this semester in our award-winning, ground-breaking 1-hour Self-Reflection class and, in fact, in support of this academic pursuit, he is donating 50% of his $5 million NIL deal with Miracle Mirror Manufacturing to provide lab equipment to this prestigious program within our University.”
It’s coming.
Ask yourself this…”If I owned a lucrative and profitable business that provided financial support for all of my other money-losing ventures, as well as my overall organization, would I fire my most productive employees 4 years after they started, forcing them to go to work for my competition (competition for consumers’ sports entertainment dollars)?”
The answer is obvious. It’s also obvious to Presidents and Athletics Directors at P4 schools who dictate, by understood threat of mass resignation, the rules of the NCAA.
JacksFan40
December 19th, 2024, 09:42 AM
Won’t be long until NFL wash outs can return to playing in college.
mainejeff
December 19th, 2024, 09:55 AM
Will there be a framework of rules for college athletic programs....or is this going to be anything goes?
ElCid
December 19th, 2024, 10:25 AM
And the greedy ones pushing this are missing the biggest aspect of this. The vast majority of College fans want to see college students play. You will lose a HUGE portion of support if they continue down this path. How stupid are they? Anyone who wants to deny this can, but I'll stand by this. You will lose the very supporters they count on. Including donations, attendance, and viewership. I can barely bring myself to watch most FBS games any more.
mainejeff
December 19th, 2024, 10:27 AM
And the greedy ones pushing this are missing the biggest aspect of this. The vast majority of College fans want to see college students play. You will lose a HUGE portion of support if they continue down this path. How stupid are they? Anyone who wants to deny this can, but I'll stand by this. You will lose the very supporters they count on. Including donations, attendance, and viewership. I can barely bring myself to watch most FBS games any more.
Amen!
FUBeAR
December 19th, 2024, 10:49 AM
And the greedy ones pushing this are missing the biggest aspect of this. The vast majority of College fans want to see college students play. You will lose a HUGE portion of support if they continue down this path. How stupid are they? Anyone who wants to deny this can, but I'll stand by this. You will lose the very supporters they count on. Including donations, attendance, and viewership. I can barely bring myself to watch most FBS games any more.
Amen!
Wish FUBeAR could agree with y’all, but he has a boatload of friends and family that are die-hard supporters, and in a few cases, substantial benefactors of ‘their’ Georgia Bulldogs.
They lament the current state of College Football just as we FCS fans do. So, FUBeAR asks them…
”FUBeAR knows, right. So, what did they say when you told them you were canceling your season tickets and ceasing your financial support?”
They, then, look at FUBeAR as if he’s speaking Swahili to them. They cannot even process the very idea that they would do either of those things.
Instead, their replies, in most cases, have been along the lines of, “Stop donating? Heck no! Did you know we lost a 4 star QB commit to Nebraska because we couldn’t compete with their NIL offer? We can’t let that happen! I love my Georgia Bulldogs! In fact, I just wrote a 6 figure check to the Classic City Collective yesterday, and, by God, I want my money’s worth. I’m flying this Edge out of Goose Creek, that I’ve told Kirby we gotta sign, down to the Sugar Bowl with my family on our jet. Giving him the Presidential Suite at The Four Seasons, where we are staying in NOLA, for the whole week.
The vanity and need for ego-inflation among these “big-time” pretend-college football fans only stops at the end of their bank accounts.
mainejeff
December 19th, 2024, 11:05 AM
Wish FUBeAR could agree with y’all, but he has a boatload of friends and family that are die-hard supporters, and in a few cases, substantial benefactors of ‘their’ Georgia Bulldogs.
They lament the current state of College Football just as we FCS fans do. So, FUBeAR asks them…
”FUBeAR knows, right. So, what did they say when you told them you were canceling your season tickets and ceasing your financial support?”
They, then, look at FUBeAR as if he’s speaking Swahili to them. They cannot even process the very idea that they would do either of those things.
Instead, their replies, in most cases, have been along the lines of, “Stop donating? Heck no! Did you know we lost a 4 star QB commit to Nebraska because we couldn’t compete with their NIL offer? We can’t let that happen! I love my Georgia Bulldogs! In fact, I just wrote a 6 figure check to the Classic City Collective yesterday, and, by God, I want my money’s worth. I’m flying this Edge out of Goose Creek, that I’ve told Kirby we gotta sign, down to the Sugar Bowl with my family on our jet. Giving him the Presidential Suite at The Four Seasons, where we are staying in NOLA, for the whole week.
The vanity and need for ego-inflation among these “big-time” pretend-college football fans only stops at the end of their bank accounts.
I have no doubt that that they feel that way....and EVERY fan base has those supporters to varying degrees. But everyone cannot win....and when EVERYONE is demanding a return on their investment.....well, this will end badly for most. Children might play dress-up but in the end....they go to bed as children. College sports can pretend to be pro sports.....but at the end of the day there will be bills to pay, supporters to answer to and litigation to defend. If they want to be adults (pros) then they better be ready to take adult responsibility. This includes the players....these 18+ year old adults earning 6 or 7 figures not longer have cover to pretend they are "poor defenseless children" at the mercy of the big bad NCAA.
ElCid
December 19th, 2024, 11:09 AM
Wish FUBeAR could agree with y’all, but he has a boatload of friends and family that are die-hard supporters, and in a few cases, substantial benefactors of ‘their’ Georgia Bulldogs.
They lament the current state of College Football just as we FCS fans do. So, FUBeAR asks them…
”FUBeAR knows, right. So, what did they say when you told them you were canceling your season tickets and ceasing your financial support?”
They, then, look at FUBeAR as if he’s speaking Swahili to them. They cannot even process the very idea that they would do either of those things.
Instead, their replies, in most cases, have been along the lines of, “Stop donating? Heck no! Did you know we lost a 4 star QB commit to Nebraska because we couldn’t compete with their NIL offer? We can’t let that happen! I love my Georgia Bulldogs! In fact, I just wrote a 6 figure check to the Classic City Collective yesterday, and, by God, I want my money’s worth. I’m flying this Edge out of Goose Creek, that I’ve told Kirby we gotta sign, down to the Sugar Bowl with my family on our jet. Giving him the Presidential Suite at The Four Seasons, where we are staying in NOLA, for the whole week.
The vanity and need for ego-inflation among these “big-time” pretend-college football fans only stops at the end of their bank accounts.
Yeah, things like this aren't a well marked line to cross. And they are an anomaly. It's an accumulation, over time. The greedy ones have incrementally turned the heat up. It will be a disengagement over time by the fan. Maybe it will be when UGA wants to build some new football facility, to attract new employees, and jack up student fees and a family member of theirs can no longer afford to go to school there.
caribbeanhen
December 19th, 2024, 11:25 AM
Wish FUBeAR could agree with y’all, but he has a boatload of friends and family that are die-hard supporters, and in a few cases, substantial benefactors of ‘their’ Georgia Bulldogs.
They lament the current state of College Football just as we FCS fans do. So, FUBeAR asks them…
”FUBeAR knows, right. So, what did they say when you told them you were canceling your season tickets and ceasing your financial support?”
They, then, look at FUBeAR as if he’s speaking Swahili to them. They cannot even process the very idea that they would do either of those things.
Instead, their replies, in most cases, have been along the lines of, “Stop donating? Heck no! Did you know we lost a 4 star QB commit to Nebraska because we couldn’t compete with their NIL offer? We can’t let that happen! I love my Georgia Bulldogs! In fact, I just wrote a 6 figure check to the Classic City Collective yesterday, and, by God, I want my money’s worth. I’m flying this Edge out of Goose Creek, that I’ve told Kirby we gotta sign, down to the Sugar Bowl with my family on our jet. Giving him the Presidential Suite at The Four Seasons, where we are staying in NOLA, for the whole week.
The vanity and need for ego-inflation among these “big-time” pretend-college football fans only stops at the end of their bank accounts.
might have to steal some of this as I'm battling some "elites" on Gohens.....
by the way, I notice the "anointed" Bulldog fans ain't offering up millions to retain any coaches.... only bolsters CH's trademark "any average coach can call an average play, but it's talent that takes that average play all the way"
dbackjon
December 19th, 2024, 11:28 AM
I think people are reading to much into this. For NCAA enrolled students, the NCAA granted an extra year of eligibility to those enrolled in 2020-21 due to Covid's lost season. The NCAA refused to do that for non-NCAA enrolled students, so Diego, who was at a JUCO, used up a year of eligibility that he wouldn't have had he been at an NCAA institution. This just brings him on equal footing with NCAA students.
A great decision and one that should never have needed to go to court.
DFW HOYA
December 19th, 2024, 11:34 AM
How soon before a judge declares indefinite eligibility? The NCAA can't be run out of the courts.
dbackjon
December 19th, 2024, 11:48 AM
How soon before a judge declares indefinite eligibility? The NCAA can't be run out of the courts.
There would be no rational basis for that decision.
topher99
December 19th, 2024, 11:53 AM
There would be no rational basis for that decision.
But with the way the courts have been deciding things, there would be a "rational basis" in that you are limiting their ability to earn money from NIL. Why would they allow schools to limit eligibility as long as a student is enrolled?
DFW HOYA
December 19th, 2024, 12:13 PM
There would be no rational basis for that decision.
Restraint of trade?
Lehigh Football Nation
December 19th, 2024, 12:20 PM
I watched exactly four games involving FBS teams this year. Three of them involved Army (Lehigh/Army, Notre Dame/Army, Army/Navy). I saw zero need to see USFL lite Big 10, SEC football, or Prime Time Fraud this year at all. I know I'm not alone. The game as I knew it at that level has disappeared. And though they don't realize it, unlimited slush money kids have completely ruined college basketball and the NCAA Tournament as well. That decline in viewership will be evident this spring, and it's the path college football is going down as well.
Personally I feel the current rating boom has been caused by online gambling, and that tide is beginning to finally recede, and when it does, the NCAA and the schools aren't going to like what it looks like at low tide. The best thing most of them could possibly do is secede from the NCAA, allow the NCAA to wither and dies as the administrator for USFL lite, and start over with a more sensible student-athlete framework that more resembles what it used to be.
Lehigh Football Nation
December 19th, 2024, 12:23 PM
Restraint of trade?
This has been the baseball bat that has bludgeoned the NCAA repeatedly long after when it made any sense. Why require progress towards a degree? Isn't that also "restraint of trade"? If they're employees, aren't they just delivering a service? College athletics have slid down this sad slope for decades, thanks to the sports agent industry.
FUBeAR
December 19th, 2024, 12:52 PM
There would be no rational basis for that decision.
Read the entire ruling. IFBO, the “rational basis” is right there in black & white.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GBMyXl788d78cX3xEj6rwc6P3MzJGQ_Q/view
Not being an Attorney, FUBeAR will not, and likely, could not, make a cohesive argument, from what the court stated in its ruling, that ANY and ALL NCAA eligibility rules constitute restraint of trade in the College Football “labor” market, but, conceptually, FUBeAR sure can envision a relatively smart barrister doing just that.
Just a few points….
This court found that eligibility, because of NIL, is commercial in nature.
This court found that the NCAA has…
* frequently changed the eligibility rules with the strong implication, IFBO, that they really aren’t necessary at all
* pretty much cast aside its claims that eligibility aligns with academic pursuit via 86’ing its transfer restrictions
* given up ‘protecting’ HS or “younger athletes” as Teams now use the portal to recruit legions of “older athletes”
If you read this ruling and, in many places, substitute “JUCO” with “NFL,” the “rational basis” becomes more evident.
IFBO, the only eligibility requirement the NCAA will be able to sustain when tested in the courts … and all will be tested, eventually … is that the Athletes representing a school have some ‘legal relationship’ with the school they represent, i.e., be enrolled in at least one class during their competition season OR be an employee of the school. All other eligibility rules will, IFBO, be found to violate the Sherman Act with regard to restraint of trade in the labor market.
RahRahRabbits
December 19th, 2024, 02:00 PM
"FUBeAR will not, and likely, could not, make a cohesive argument"
Retweet. Re-X? Rex? Terrible... We all knew this already, FUBeAR! No need to announce it out yourself.
Of course kidding, pal. An opportunity for so easily taking a chunk of quote so out of context doesn't present itself every day...
FUBeAR
December 19th, 2024, 02:08 PM
Retweet. Re-X? Rex? Terrible... We all knew this already, FUBeAR! No need to announce it out yourself.
Of course kidding, pal. An opportunity for so easily taking a chunk of quote so out of context doesn't present itself every day...
FUBeAR can, with some difficulty decipher Mr. Chicken-speak, but FUBeAR has not a single clue what you are trying to say here. Is this in BunnyBanter language?
Lehigh Football Nation
December 19th, 2024, 02:34 PM
Read the entire ruling. IFBO, the “rational basis” is right there in black & white.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GBMyXl788d78cX3xEj6rwc6P3MzJGQ_Q/view
Not being an Attorney, FUBeAR will not, and likely, could not, make a cohesive argument, from what the court stated in its ruling, that ANY and ALL NCAA eligibility rules constitute restraint of trade in the College Football “labor” market, but, conceptually, FUBeAR sure can envision a relatively smart barrister doing just that.
Just a few points….
This court found that eligibility, because of NIL, is commercial in nature.
This court found that the NCAA has…
* frequently changed the eligibility rules with the strong implication, IFBO, that they really aren’t necessary at all
* pretty much cast aside its claims that eligibility aligns with academic pursuit via 86’ing its transfer restrictions
* given up ‘protecting’ HS or “younger athletes” as Teams now use the portal to recruit legions of “older athletes”
If you read this ruling and, in many places, substitute “JUCO” with “NFL,” the “rational basis” becomes more evident.
IFBO, the only eligibility requirement the NCAA will be able to sustain when tested in the courts … and all will be tested, eventually … is that the Athletes representing a school have some ‘legal relationship’ with the school they represent, i.e., be enrolled in at least one class during their competition season OR be an employee of the school. All other eligibility rules will, IFBO, be found to violate the Sherman Act with regard to restraint of trade in the labor market.
There is a real "have pity on the kid who shot his parents in cold blood, he's an orphan" energy here. I mean, the same law firm probably has been pushing for (and probably profited from) the very NIL environment that exists today. To turn this around and blame the NCAA for this is a level of hitherto unknown chutzpah. Does anyone actually believe the NCAA abolished the transfer rule because they wanted to?
RahRahRabbits
December 19th, 2024, 02:48 PM
FUBeAR can, with some difficulty decipher Mr. Chicken-speak, but FUBeAR has not a single clue what you are trying to say here. Is this in BunnyBanter language?
Just a lame attempt at humor with too many plotlines apparently...
FUBeAR said (amongst other words in a previous post) "FUBeAR will not, and likely, could not, make a cohesive argument..." which I intentionally pulled out of your larger quote and tried to highlight just that segment, as I found humor in that simple statement. Retweet, then re-X was a tired piece of commentary on Twitter changing to X, and how there's no more simple term for forwarding and re-sharing a post... All the best jokes need to be explained, right?
Please forgive me. RRR has been battling the snow in near blizzard conditions much of the morning and the heart palpitations have taken over communication of logical thought.
dbackjon
December 19th, 2024, 03:46 PM
Restraint of trade?
It would be new territory for them. As long as eligibility standards are uniform, there wouldn't be a case. The NIL/House were about earning money while meeting the eligibility standards. No one has the right to force employment.
ElCid
December 19th, 2024, 05:18 PM
College athletics have slid down this sad slope for decades, thanks to the sports agent industry.
Bingo. That is what is instigating this. Plus some lawyers twisting reality. I am going to love when it crashes and burns and we get back to a sensible operation. May take a long time though.
SUPharmacist
December 19th, 2024, 06:18 PM
So...I see no solutions in the real world, but may have a few suggestions that put me at risk of being the resident communist.
I see no way to fix this on the student-athlete front without fixing some factors on the other side. Could we fix the salaries of coaching staffs, ADs and administrators to some proportion of what a tenured professor makes? Also, can we allow open bidding amongst broadcasters, but allow a set profit, require full transparency, and require profit above such threshold to be donated back to a general college football pool (or general athletics pool amongst all sports as the basketball tourney is a huge moneymaker). Those dollars could be used to fund a health plan for former athletes (possibly only athletes that are ineligible for insurance through an employer). The individuals whose salaries are capped could always choose to work in private industries as opposed to higher education. Additionally, any professional sports leagues that have restrictions on how soon out of high school athletes can declare for drafts or join the league would have to be declared illegal.
I get the the Issues with this and hesitation to restrict earnings potential amongst so many from athletics departments, to administrators, to broadcasters, to college athletes. But, if we are going to try to pretend these are student athletes, then others need to agree to restrictions as well.
DFW HOYA
December 19th, 2024, 07:09 PM
So...I see no solutions in the real world, but may have a few suggestions that put me at risk of being the resident communist.
I see no way to fix this on the student-athlete front without fixing some factors on the other side. Could we fix the salaries of coaching staffs, ADs and administrators to some proportion of what a tenured professor makes? Also, can we allow open bidding amongst broadcasters, but allow a set profit, require full transparency, and require profit above such threshold to be donated back to a general college football pool (or general athletics pool amongst all sports as the basketball tourney is a huge moneymaker). Those dollars could be used to fund a health plan for former athletes (possibly only athletes that are ineligible for insurance through an employer). The individuals whose salaries are capped could always choose to work in private industries as opposed to higher education. Additionally, any professional sports leagues that have restrictions on how soon out of high school athletes can declare for drafts or join the league would have to be declared illegal.
You lost me at "fix"...
1. A tenured professor could make as little as $100K at a lower tier state school and as much as $1.6 million at Harvard. A public college has different cost structures versus a professor at a private university who has an endowed chair, and why should that even be the deciding factor, unless you suggest that coaches should be members of the faculty and be tenured? Would Texas sign off on Sark making $200K a year, but they could never fire him as a result?
2. "General Football Pool": What is the incentive for any media rights holder to pay out more than what it would take to make a profit and to offload those amounts to an unregulated third party? Would the health plan only be eligible for football players, or for scholarship athletes, or for anyone that made a roster? Should a fourth string DB have any more coverage than the top ranked golfer? How would one collect from a private fund as many as 50 years after they played, since health plans don't usually take hold until illnesses are discovered many years later, or if the fund went bankrupt?
You can sat they're "not student athletes" but for the other 98 percent of the NCAA, they still are. The top 60 FBS programs represent roughly 6,000 athletes. How many student athletes exist in the NCAA? 520,000. That's literally one percent of the total.
SUPharmacist
December 19th, 2024, 08:08 PM
You lost me at "fix"...
1. A tenured professor could make as little as $100K at a lower tier state school and as much as $1.6 million at Harvard. A public college has different cost structures versus a professor at a private university who has an endowed chair, and why should that even be the deciding factor, unless you suggest that coaches should be members of the faculty and be tenured? Would Texas sign off on Sark making $200K a year, but they could never fire him as a result?
2. "General Football Pool": What is the incentive for any media rights holder to pay out more than what it would take to make a profit and to offload those amounts to an unregulated third party? Would the health plan only be eligible for football players, or for scholarship athletes, or for anyone that made a roster? Should a fourth string DB have any more coverage than the top ranked golfer? How would one collect from a private fund as many as 50 years after they played, since health plans don't usually take hold until illnesses are discovered many years later, or if the fund went bankrupt?
You can sat they're "not student athletes" but for the other 98 percent of the NCAA, they still are. The top 60 FBS programs represent roughly 6,000 athletes. How many student athletes exist in the NCAA? 520,000. That's literally one percent of the total.
1. You are right it would vary substantially amongst schools. Maybe this is a good way to decide who is actually D1-2-3. Additionally, if coaches want to go for the highest salary they can go the pro route, otherwise yes if they want the college route you get tied to the tenure salary at your institution. It could be substantially higher, since it seems unreasonable to give you full protection from being termed. It could also be only moderately higher than professors and give you a protected tenure path, this is supposed to be an institute of higher ed after all (many high school coaches are tenured teachers, if this amateurism what's the difference).
2. There is not much incentive to pay above a certain value, but this is not a professional league. Although, you will also note I said profit and not revenue. If you pay higher you have to make more off of advertising to make it worth your while. Maybe you should make that profit limit a percentage as opposed to a dollar value. You are right trying to create a fund would be a challenge, but you could cap it at a number of years, and as it is only limited to individuals ineligible through an employer it maybe a limited pool. It wouldn't pay for anything outside of medical costs so it would not allow you to live off of it. Will some try and commit fraud? Yes, just like everything else in our society.
Yes, those athletes at all those schools are student athletes. Maybe this is fixed if we bring the top programs more in line with the rest of the universities and colleges. Those athletes that this is their career path, I think we need to remove the obstacles from them going pro and these pro leagues need to run more minor leagues if they don't want to sign unproven high school athletes. There is no reason we should subsidize professional sports teams more than we already do.
Lehigh Football Nation
December 19th, 2024, 10:40 PM
"General Football Pool": What is the incentive for any media rights holder to pay out more than what it would take to make a profit and to offload those amounts to an unregulated third party? Would the health plan only be eligible for football players, or for scholarship athletes, or for anyone that made a roster? Should a fourth string DB have any more coverage than the top ranked golfer? How would one collect from a private fund as many as 50 years after they played, since health plans don't usually take hold until illnesses are discovered many years later, or if the fund went bankrupt?
The health plan should be available to all student-athletes, and could be supplanted by employer-provided health insurance if they so choose. I feel like many mistakes are made when you try to handle rights or syndromes subdivided by sport. If a woman's basketball player gets long term leg injuries from playing basketball, she should get the same right to healthcare as the O lineman who does the same. If a football player is a walk-on and he gets hurt in practice, they should have access to health care, just as if a non-athlete got hurt on school grounds.
walliver
December 26th, 2024, 09:02 PM
I'm waiting for the big NIL v Title IX lawsuit. It's only a matter of time.
NY Crusader 2010
December 26th, 2024, 09:10 PM
I'm waiting for the big NIL v Title IX lawsuit. It's only a matter of time.
Title IX doesn't apply to boosters. As long as the universities provide the same support network and resources as far as helping to facilitate prospective NIL deals and educate female student athletes on the process, there's no violation of Title IX section of the Civil Rights Act.
SUPharmacist
December 26th, 2024, 09:39 PM
Title IX doesn't apply to boosters. As long as the universities provide the same support network and resources as far as helping to facilitate prospective NIL deals and educate female student athletes on the process, there's no violation of Title IX section of the Civil Rights Act.
I don't know with all the various collectives and blurred lines the lawsuit has to be coming. I would bet quite a few of these universities are so closely tied to these groups that a real case is there. However, I can't imagine if any cases were to go up to the Supreme Court that their is any appetite there to impose accountability.
DFW HOYA
December 26th, 2024, 10:11 PM
I don't know with all the various collectives and blurred lines the lawsuit has to be coming. I would bet quite a few of these universities are so closely tied to these groups that a real case is there. However, I can't imagine if any cases were to go up to the Supreme Court that their is any appetite there to impose accountability.
A private company is exempt from Title IX because the law is specific to educational institutions that take federal funds. The courts are not going to extend federal oversight to private entities.
SUPharmacist
December 26th, 2024, 10:59 PM
A private company is exempt from Title IX because the law is specific to educational institutions that take federal funds. The courts are not going to extend federal oversight to private entities.
I mean I wouldn't expect the courts to take any action. But wouldn't this be similar to how PACs can't coordinate with political campaigns. I know that proves your point that the courts won't do anything, but it seems like the same scenario where you are partnering with groups the law applies to so you are limited to a degree as well.
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Also, the fact that the courts won't intervene has never meant people won't try to sue.
Lehigh Football Nation
December 27th, 2024, 01:49 AM
If NIL is an educational opportunity, or associated with an educational opportunity, Title IX applies, period. If it doesn't, then what the athletes are doing are not education, and thus they are employees, and therefore not students, and thus can't be forced to get an education. So yes, lawsuits are coming.
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