2024 Semifinal: #3 South Dakota State @ #2 North Dakota State

[Professor Chaos]

Game kicks off on Saturday 12/21 at 11AM CT and will be nationally televised on ABC.


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[POD Knows]

Blowout SDSU.

[BisonFan02]

Bloodbath barring the Bison actually showing up at the LOS.

[POD Knows]

Bloodbath barring the Bison actually showing up at the LOS.
Bison front 7 on D played pretty well today. How many TFLs did Mercer have today. Had to be double digits.

[BisonFan02]

Summit League Football versus the token Big Sky school.

[dbackjon]

SDSU advances to Frisco

[JacksFan40]

SDSU offense has found new life due to the Gronowski-Wilde connection that has emerged since USD. They seem to be good for a few big plays per game. Big plays is what the SDSU offense lacked during the Marker game outside of the Chase Mason TD run. The SDSU defense should be able to replicate their performance as well from the Marker and keep the Bison offense in check.

This game will come down to what QB plays better, simple as that. Miller was better the first time, here’s hoping Gronowski can get it done.

[Bison56]

Nail biter for 2 and a half quarters then SDSU pulls away and goes on to win their 3rd championship.

[Professor Chaos]

These two teams have gone in opposite directions since their meeting in October... all signs are pointing to an SDSU win except for the fact that the Bison are playing at home. I still have a hard time seeing my Bison being able to pull this off considering how average the O-line has looked and how undisciplined the defense has been (missing run fits, blowing coverages in the secondary, etc).

I also think NDSU had the emotional edge in the regular season meeting due to the number of times in a row they've lost to SDSU whereas SDSU has the emotional edge now after a few Bison players acted like fools towards the SDSU sideline after they won that regular season matchup.

[Bisonator]

Unless we find the right oline combination over the next 4-5 days the jacks are going to destroy us. I don't know how our defense was able to shut them down last game but it was an outlier with how they've played since. Just not feeling good about this one at all but that's why they play the games.....any given saturday!

[FUBeAR]

Bison front 7 on D played pretty well today. How many TFLs did Mercer have today. Had to be double digits.
10 TFL’s, 4 Sacks, 2 INT’s

Defensive Statistics


#
Player
Yr
Solo
Tot
TFL
Sacks


6
Thomas,Marques (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/marques-thomas/10788)
Sr
5
9
2.0
1.5


1
Nash,Arias (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/arias-nash/10773)
Jr
2
3
2.0
1.0


3
Dowling,Isaac (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/isaac-dowling/10735)
Sr
2
6
1.5
-


0
Manley,Brayden (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/brayden-manley/10763)
So
1
3
1.5
1.0


94
Zock,Andrew (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/andrew-zock/11001)
Fr
4
6
1.0
0.5


99
Camese,Caden (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/caden-camese/10725)
R-So
1
2
1.0
-


14
Joines,Chris (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/chris-joines/10758)
Jr
3
9
0.5
-


15
Standley,Ken (https://mercerbears.com/sports/football/roster/ken-standley/10784)
R-Sr
2
4
0.5
-

[CopperCat]

Summit League Football versus the token Big Sky school.

The #1 seed is the “token” opponent?

[Professor Chaos]

At least we'll get a good old fashioned Fargodome playoff sellout again. I'm sure there will be a good contingent of blue in the stands but SDSU is one of the few opponents many of our spoiled fans still care about and being the definite last home game of the season demand should easily outpace the Fargodome's capacity. Already seeing tickets listed on the secondary market for $200.

[Hammerhead]

This is the first time I can remember that the tickets available before unused season tickets are released has a presale only open to Team Makers and those who have purchased other playoff tickets so I'm going to buy two of the end zone seats to make sure we can get in and then hope to sell them if there are good tickets from the season tickets.



At least we'll get a good old fashioned Fargodome playoff sellout again. I'm sure there will be a good contingent of blue in the stands but SDSU is one of the few opponents many of our spoiled fans still care about and being the definite last home game of the season demand should easily outpace the Fargodome's capacity. Already seeing tickets listed on the secondary market for $200.

[ysubigred]

No dog in the fight here, but I've become a closet Bizon fan and love to see them get a ring for the thumb on the other hand. I like Montana State also just because of TD TOMMY. Hopefully, YSUs QB grows up into his success with the same attributes..

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[caribbeanhen]

At least we'll get a good old fashioned Fargodome playoff sellout again. I'm sure there will be a good contingent of blue in the stands but SDSU is one of the few opponents many of our spoiled fans still care about and being the definite last home game of the season demand should easily outpace the Fargodome's capacity. Already seeing tickets listed on the secondary market for $200.

this

Bison win this game

[POD Knows]

NDSU can win this game but they will have to be perfect. Their O line got tossed around by Mercer yesterday. Worst pass protection effort for the year. I think Mercers D line was good but they aren’t SDSU. It is hard to pick against NDSU in big games at home but it is gonna be 28-14 bunnies.

[caribbeanhen]

NDSU can win this game but they will have to be perfect. Their O line got tossed around by Mercer yesterday. Worst pass protection effort for the year. I think Mercers D line was good but they aren’t SDSU. It is hard to pick against NDSU in big games at home but it is gonna be 28-14 bunnies.

Mercer has some really good and physically players on D, just got torched to many times early

glad the game is not outside as I hate those cold weather games, but I'm also not a fan of that noise in the Fargo Dome messing the game up ....

[POD Knows]

Mercer has some really good and physically players on D, just got torched to many times early

glad the game is not outside as I hate those cold weather games, but I'm also not a fan of that noise in the Fargo Dome messing the game up ....
I wonder if you will be able to hear "Buck the Fison" on tv because that is the cheer that is most loved by the always clever creative folks from Brookings. Should be a pretty good atmosphere and a tough ticket. I would imagine that there are enough cheap ass Bison fans that will scalp their tickets to bunny fans so they get a decent showing. Should be rocking.

[FUBeAR]

Mercer has some really good and physically players on D, just got torched to many times early

glad the game is not outside as I hate those cold weather games, but I'm also not a fan of that noise in the Fargo Dome messing the game up ....
Yep - 1st half of the 1st quarter, the ‘moment’ was just too big for the young, relative newbies to the Playoffs Bears and they pissed down their legs (as Coach30 would say) on both sides of the ball.

Once the Mercer D realized they were, actually, on the same level as NDSU, they were able to make it a 10-7 (still favoring the bizuns) game (that is also excluding the “garbage” / didn’t matter bizun TD at the end).

Just not able to score on D or Special Teams - against a grizzled-Playoff-veteran-playing-at-home Team - as they have been able to do all season. Kinda thought, going in, that might be the case. And with an Offense / Offense game plan / Offense play-calling afternoon that just had no chance of getting the job done…the Bears fully earned their 31-7 defeat.

[ming01]

Whatever combination of QB playing better and if that team forces more turnovers will win this game. Slight advantage NDSU due to the crowd IMO.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Once the Mercer D realized they were, actually, on the same level as NDSU, they were able to make it a 10-7 (still favoring the bizuns) game (that is also excluding the “garbage” / didn’t matter bizun TD at the end).



It’s almost as if games are not 60 min… ;)


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[Professor Chaos]

Officiating crew is from the SOCON. They are apparently the same crew that worked the USD/Tarleton 2nd round game.

[Sitting Bull]

Just think, the Bison could be prepping for a Potato Bowl showdown with Bowling Green.

Darn, instead they’re playing on national TV, fighting for a possible national championship against one of their biggest natural rivals.

[The Cats]

My pick, SDSU

[Bison56]

Just think, the Bison could be prepping for a Potato Bowl showdown with Bowling Green.

Darn, instead they’re playing on national TV, fighting for a possible national championship against one of their biggest natural rivals.

I don't understand why so many are pushing to be completely irrelevant. As in most things in life people care more about the title of the job than the actual job itself.

[FUBeAR]

Officiating crew is from the SOCON. They are apparently the same crew that worked the USD/Tarleton 2nd round game.
FUBeAR has been authorized to accept honorariums on their behalf and tabulate these by Team. Please DM for FUBeAR’s Venmo info if interested in supporting the Professional efforts of these worthy individuals.

[dewey]

I think Miller wills this NDSU team to a win.

Dewey

[FUBeAR]

I think Miller wills this NDSU team to a win.

Dewey
He’s a turnover machine!!!


JK :D

[Gil Dobie]

Gut says 50/50, heart says Bison, mind is thinking Frisco.

[caribbeanhen]

when the Dome is sold out and loud, Bison always win unless JMU is in town....

Picked South Dakota State and kind of regretting it

my advice would be don't bet on this game

[FUBeAR]

when the Dome is sold out and loud, Bison always win unless JMU is in town....

Picked South Dakota State and kind of regretting it

my advice would be don't bet on this game
21/13/10

Islands Haiku?


Reworked it into traditional Japanese format for you...

When the Dome is loud,
Bison win is guaranteed.
Don't bet on this game!

[gotts]

Heart wants to say Bison, but wallet says Jacks.

[caribbeanhen]

21/13/10

Islands Haiku?


Reworked it into traditional Japanese format for you...

When the Dome is loud,
Bison win is guaranteed.
Don't bet on this game!

can't be Islands Haiku
when you leave out
Jay M You

[ElCid]

Hard to beat a team twice in a season, even in your own house. But no way I would ever bet on this game.

[caribbeanhen]

Hard to beat a team twice in a season, even in your own house. But no way I would ever bet on this game.

was it just me, or were the " do you have a gambling problem" commercials flowing heavy last weekend

[ElCid]

was it just me, or were the " do you have a gambling problem" commercials flowing heavy last weekend

I've made a HUGE amount of money, from simply never gambling on sports.

[MSUBobcat]

I've made a HUGE amount of money, from simply never gambling on sports.

Where's the fun in that? I've lost a minimal amount of money and it keeps me interested in games that I wouldn't normally be. Like the blowout games in the XDSU's last weekend. After a point, the outcome was well known, yet I had a vested interest to see if they would cover the spread or not.

(I may actually still be up money on sports betting, as I hit for $1100-1200 once on a $3 ticket. I usually bet $20 on FCS parlays and another $20 on NFL parlays, so not like I'm betting the house.)

[ElCid]

Where's the fun in that? I've lost a minimal amount of money and it keeps me interested in games that I wouldn't normally be. Like the blowout games in the XDSU's last weekend. After a point, the outcome was well known, yet I had a vested interest to see if they would cover the spread or not.

(I may actually still be up money on sports betting, as I hit for $1100-1200 once on a $3 ticket. I usually bet $20 on FCS parlays and another $20 on NFL parlays, so not like I'm betting the house.)

I limit my gambling to the occasional scratch off or Powerball. I have won $500 prizes about four times. I'm probably around even. Oh, and I used to play poker quite a bit while a young lieutenant. But we kept it at low stakes. Never really did any sports gambling. Too many irregular variables can changes MOV. And I don't follow any sport except div I football.

[Hammerhead]

I'd like to pick NDSU, but won't be shocked if they lose which is the same way I felt for the 2023 championship game even though we made the trip down to Frisco.

[cmt]

Where's the fun in that? I've lost a minimal amount of money and it keeps me interested in games that I wouldn't normally be. Like the blowout games in the XDSU's last weekend. After a point, the outcome was well known, yet I had a vested interest to see if they would cover the spread or not.

(I may actually still be up money on sports betting, as I hit for $1100-1200 once on a $3 ticket. I usually bet $20 on FCS parlays and another $20 on NFL parlays, so not like I'm betting the house.)

Like you appear to, I view gambling as entertainment. I'm not viewing it as a way to make money, because for most of us, long term it's a losing proposition. We don't go to the movies or to a fancy dinner or to a sporting event thinking we're going to return home with more money than we left with. Like those things, gambling is a purchase. Figure out how much you're willing to spend each month or year, stick to that, and you're good. I get that gambling is addictive in a way that many other forms of entertainment aren't, and there are a lot of people who have issues with it. But if you go about it the right way (which again, I know there are plenty of people who don't), there's nothing wrong with it.

[Professor Chaos]

I gamble every time I fart.

[Outsider1]

I gamble every time I fart.

Now that's something I can relate to...

[Born a Rabbit]

I gamble every time I fart.

i have heard people say that NDSU has sh##ty fans. i always believed they were talking about the way they get frustrated with their coaches. you have given me an alternative possibility to consider

[Professor Chaos]

i have heard people say that NDSU has sh##ty fans. i always believed they were talking about the way they get frustrated with their coaches. you have given me an alternative possibility to consider
Take some risks every once in a while. A wise man once said you'll never win a farting contest if you're afraid you'll **** your pants.

[MSUBobcat]

Take some risks every once in a while. A wise man once said you'll never win a farting contest if you're afraid you'll **** your pants.

Hahaha. I believe that was Confucius.

[SDFS]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.

[Christiank22]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed again. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.

Or maybe, and I know this is crazy to think, but maybe don’t lose to NDSU and expect to be ranked higher than them.

You know why should we even play the game? We should honestly just see what Vegas lines are and crown a champion off of that every year

[Bisonator]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed again. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.
Lmfao I see you're still bitter and stagnant....xlolx

[Gil Dobie]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.

So now you have a possible indoor home game instead of watching the game in December weather. There may be room for 8000 Jack fans at this game. Times have changed, the bandwagon fans in Fargo have disappeared.

[Professor Chaos]

So now you have a possible indoor home game instead of watching the game in December weather. There may be room for 8000 Jack fans at this game. Times have changed, the bandwagon fans in Fargo have disappeared.
SDSU is one of the only FCS opponents left the Bison bandwagoners actually care about so I doubt they'd get 8000 in there even if they had that many willing to go (which I doubt they do). There will be a good contingent of blue there though but I'd guess only about 2k or so.

[NDSU1980]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.

Do you want some cheese and crackers with your whine? und should worry more about just making the playoffs instead of where NDSU plays.

[ming01]

Or maybe, and I know this is crazy to think, but maybe don’t lose to NDSU and expect to be ranked higher than them.

You know why should we even play the game? We should honestly just see what Vegas lines are and crown a champion off of that every year

Dont play a D2 either.

[JacksFan40]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.
Of course it would be awesome to be ranked ahead of the Bison and playing in Brookings, but unfortunately we lost the regular season game. Maybe one day the Bison will have to travel to Brookings for a playoff game.

[SDFS]

Do you want some cheese and crackers with your whine? und should worry more about just making the playoffs instead of where NDSU plays.

I shouldn't care about the playoff process, not so sure about that logic. There is a new system in place because of games being played with home field advantage (Weber St) during the playoffs.

[Christiank22]

I shouldn't care about the playoff process, not so sure about that logic. There is a new system in place because of games being played with home field advantage (Weber St) during the playoffs.

What was the betting line for that game? As we all know that’s what really matters

[SDFS]

What was the betting line for that game? As we all know that’s what really matters

I guess in your world it is H2H that matters until it doesn't. I was wrong with the SDSU being -6.5 at home. That is on a neutral site. If it was at SDSU you are looking at SDSU being a 9 to 9.5 favorite. That is a large difference. Numerous measurements are saying SDSU is the better team. And I understand the H2H, but that was also in Fargo. And at the same time NDSU isn’t held accountable for losing to USD when they could have wrapped everything up. If H2H is the only measure how is NDSU ahead of USD and USD is on the road.

By the way I think NDSU is a very good team. Just saying things look a little dubious and hoping for a better system where a school isn’t losing the opportunity to be 9-point favorite in the future.


Two of the most popular computer models, plus many others say SDSU is the better team. I have not seen one that has NDSU rated higher.

Massey SDSU 55% 27 – 24. Those percentage would be much different if SDSU was hosting.
Sagarin has SDSU 80.12 and NDSU 74.64 plus a generic 3.07 home field


AGS Final Poll, Stats and Coaches all had #2 SDSU and #3 NDSU.
Numerous betting organization have SDSU as a 3 to 3.5 favorite on the road. I have not seen one site that has NDSU favored in the game. And if you go by how betting lines are set to draw action. I have not seen lines change, so the money is not being dropped on NDSU for this game. It is an indication that the general public is in agreement.
The conference identified SDSU as the AQ based on rules everyone in conference agreed upon. So, there is logic already in place to account for the tie that took place in MVFC this year. Why didn’t the MVFC rep push for the AQ to be the highest seed in the playoffs.


I have not seen one thing that has NDSU concidered the better team other than the typical smoke filled backroom of the NCAA.

[Christiank22]

I guess in your world it is H2H that matters until it doesn't. I was wrong with the SDSU being -6.5 at home. That is on a neutral site. If it was at SDSU you are looking at SDSU being a 9 to 9.5 favorite. That is a large difference. Numerous measurements are saying SDSU is the better team. And I understand the H2H, but that was also in Fargo. And at the same time NDSU isn’t held accountable for losing to USD when they could have wrapped everything up. If H2H is the only measure how is NDSU ahead of USD and USD is on the road.

By the way I think NDSU is a very good team. Just saying things look a little dubious and hoping for a better system where a school isn’t losing the opportunity to be 9-point favorite in the future.


Two of the most popular computer models, plus many others say SDSU is the better team. I have not seen one that has NDSU rated higher.

Massey SDSU 55% 27 – 24. Those percentage would be much different if SDSU was hosting.
Sagarin has SDSU 80.12 and NDSU 74.64 plus a generic 3.07 home field


AGS Final Poll, Stats and Coaches all had #2 SDSU and #3 NDSU.
Numerous betting organization have SDSU as a 3 to 3.5 favorite on the road. I have not seen one site that has NDSU favored in the game. And if you go by how betting lines are set to draw action. I have not seen lines change, so the money is not being dropped on NDSU for this game. It is an indication that the general public is in agreement.
The conference identified SDSU as the AQ based on rules everyone in conference agreed upon. So, there is logic already in place to account for the tie that took place in MVFC this year. Why didn’t the MVFC rep push for the AQ to be the highest seed in the playoffs.


I have not seen one thing that has NDSU concidered the better team other than the typical smoke filled backroom of the NCAA.

Sounds exactly like the first time we beat them

[CopperCat]

Draft Kings has this game:

SDSU -3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -162
NDSU +3.5 U/O at 48 and moneyline at -136

If the game was at Brookings you are looking at SDSU -6.5 - how is NDSU the 2 seed and SDSU the 3 seed. Oh, that right nice to have your AD on the committee.

False narrative. SDSU lost to NDSU. Not much to talk about there.

[POD Knows]

I guess in your world it is H2H that matters until it doesn't. I was wrong with the SDSU being -6.5 at home. That is on a neutral site. If it was at SDSU you are looking at SDSU being a 9 to 9.5 favorite. That is a large difference. Numerous measurements are saying SDSU is the better team. And I understand the H2H, but that was also in Fargo. And at the same time NDSU isn’t held accountable for losing to USD when they could have wrapped everything up. If H2H is the only measure how is NDSU ahead of USD and USD is on the road.

By the way I think NDSU is a very good team. Just saying things look a little dubious and hoping for a better system where a school isn’t losing the opportunity to be 9-point favorite in the future.


Two of the most popular computer models, plus many others say SDSU is the better team. I have not seen one that has NDSU rated higher.

Massey SDSU 55% 27 – 24. Those percentage would be much different if SDSU was hosting.
Sagarin has SDSU 80.12 and NDSU 74.64 plus a generic 3.07 home field


AGS Final Poll, Stats and Coaches all had #2 SDSU and #3 NDSU.
Numerous betting organization have SDSU as a 3 to 3.5 favorite on the road. I have not seen one site that has NDSU favored in the game. And if you go by how betting lines are set to draw action. I have not seen lines change, so the money is not being dropped on NDSU for this game. It is an indication that the general public is in agreement.
The conference identified SDSU as the AQ based on rules everyone in conference agreed upon. So, there is logic already in place to account for the tie that took place in MVFC this year. Why didn’t the MVFC rep push for the AQ to be the highest seed in the playoffs.


I have not seen one thing that has NDSU concidered the better team other than the typical smoke filled backroom of the NCAA.
You know, these seeds were done weeks ago, two games ago for both SDSU and NDSU. Injuries happen, NDSU is banged up and SDSU is healthier. I am sure that factors into the spread. The top NDSU running back is nursing a bad foot, season ending injuries to the Oline and some injuries on defense. These happened after the seeding and during playoff games. Right now, SDSU has the edge, they didn’t have that at the end of the season

[MSUBobcat]

I guess in your world it is H2H that matters until it doesn't. I was wrong with the SDSU being -6.5 at home. That is on a neutral site. If it was at SDSU you are looking at SDSU being a 9 to 9.5 favorite. That is a large difference. Numerous measurements are saying SDSU is the better team. And I understand the H2H, but that was also in Fargo. And at the same time NDSU isn’t held accountable for losing to USD when they could have wrapped everything up. If H2H is the only measure how is NDSU ahead of USD and USD is on the road.

By the way I think NDSU is a very good team. Just saying things look a little dubious and hoping for a better system where a school isn’t losing the opportunity to be 9-point favorite in the future.


Two of the most popular computer models, plus many others say SDSU is the better team. I have not seen one that has NDSU rated higher.

Massey SDSU 55% 27 – 24. Those percentage would be much different if SDSU was hosting.
Sagarin has SDSU 80.12 and NDSU 74.64 plus a generic 3.07 home field


AGS Final Poll, Stats and Coaches all had #2 SDSU and #3 NDSU.
Numerous betting organization have SDSU as a 3 to 3.5 favorite on the road. I have not seen one site that has NDSU favored in the game. And if you go by how betting lines are set to draw action. I have not seen lines change, so the money is not being dropped on NDSU for this game. It is an indication that the general public is in agreement.
The conference identified SDSU as the AQ based on rules everyone in conference agreed upon. So, there is logic already in place to account for the tie that took place in MVFC this year. Why didn’t the MVFC rep push for the AQ to be the highest seed in the playoffs.


I have not seen one thing that has NDSU concidered the better team other than the typical smoke filled backroom of the NCAA.

Honest question - does anyone remember where Massey had the teams on Selection Sunday? Massey is continuously updated for game results, so where teams are NOW is irrelevant. I think NDSU may have been higher at the end of the regular season, because (if I'm not mistaken) teams rise in Massey for beating a team by more than expected, e.g. SDSU piss pounding UIW, and fall for not beating them by as much as Massey expected (I think NDSU slightly "underperformed" against ACU. How teams you played continue to do also helps or hurts your Massey rating, so Ill State, who the Bison beat, getting drilled by Davis hurt their ranking, but UIW beating Nova might have boosted SDSU. I think it's very possible Massey had NDSU higher on Selection Sunday, but SDSU has passed them in the subsequent weeks.

Sagarin... is a joke, IMO. If you're going off that (again, this would have changed since Selection Sunday), SDSU is ranked higher with 2 losses than MSU. Even though UM only won 1 playoff game, and the committee didn't deem a top-8 seed, Sagarin has the Griz #6. Sagarin has Jackson State at #14 and NAU at #15, hilariously 1 spot AHEAD of ACU, who stomped them in the playoffs 24-0. After ACU is UND who didn't even sniff the playoffs. Sagarin plain sucks and should not be used as a serious reference point.

As for the smoke-filled room, unless you have evidence to the contrary, the NDSU AD isn't allowed to be involved in the placement of their own team, which means, at a minimum, the majority of the representatives from all the OTHER conferences felt the Bizun's resume (including the H2H) warranted them being ranked higher than SDSU.

[SDFS]

Honest question - does anyone remember where Massey had the teams on Selection Sunday? Massey is continuously updated for game results, so where teams are NOW is irrelevant. I think NDSU may have been higher at the end of the regular season, because (if I'm not mistaken) teams rise in Massey for beating a team by more than expected, e.g. SDSU piss pounding UIW, and fall for not beating them by as much as Massey expected (I think NDSU slightly "underperformed" against ACU. How teams you played continue to do also helps or hurts your Massey rating, so Ill State, who the Bison beat, getting drilled by Davis hurt their ranking, but UIW beating Nova might have boosted SDSU. I think it's very possible Massey had NDSU higher on Selection Sunday, but SDSU has passed them in the subsequent weeks.

Sagarin... is a joke, IMO. If you're going off that (again, this would have changed since Selection Sunday), SDSU is ranked higher with 2 losses than MSU. Even though UM only won 1 playoff game, and the committee didn't deem a top-8 seed, Sagarin has the Griz #6. Sagarin has Jackson State at #14 and NAU at #15, hilariously 1 spot AHEAD of ACU, who stomped them in the playoffs 24-0. After ACU is UND who didn't even sniff the playoffs. Sagarin plain sucks and should not be used as a serious reference point.

As for the smoke-filled room, unless you have evidence to the contrary, the NDSU AD isn't allowed to be involved in the placement of their own team, which means, at a minimum, the majority of the representatives from all the OTHER conferences felt the Bizun's resume (including the H2H) warranted them being ranked higher than SDSU.

Note sure which rating system is used by MVFC. SDSU was awarded the AQ by the conference using one of them. And the AD/Committee has a history of not following the rules - it took FOIA requests last time to expose the mess which lead to an entirely new system. I would say it's OK to question his integrity.

[SDFS]

False narrative. SDSU lost to NDSU. Not much to talk about there.

Your binary logics leads to: USD beat NDSU. USD should be seeded higher.

[RahRahRabbits]

Honest question - does anyone remember where Massey had the teams on Selection Sunday?

Per Massey, games through Tuesday Nov 26th - direct copy from their website to RRR's excel database kept for.... reasons.... So, where's SDSU's #1 seed?!?!
https://i.postimg.cc/KzLt54dm/Screenshot-2024-12-19-140005.png

Now... that being said... while I was hopeful SDSU would get the 2 seed above NDSU, there were arguments to be made either way for both schools... even USD sort of. I do believe it simply came down to number of D1 wins. NDSU > SDSU with a D2 win > USD with a D2 win and a D1 WC cancellation. Sucks to suck, is what it is. Thanks Tarleton State for backing out... I do not think anything nefarious occurred with the NDSU AD.

What is a penalty that's not called in a game? Answer: not a penalty. It's the same situation. At this point there's no use arguing the reasonings for placements of 2-4 seeds... we've all done that at nauseum already. If Jacks do raise that trophy in Frisco this year (and that's certainly an IF), it will feel even sweeter getting that "last monkey" off our back with beating the Bison in the playoffs in the Fargodome finally.

[MSUBobcat]

Your binary logics leads to: USD beat NDSU. USD should be seeded higher.

Except that USD was 8-1 in FCS play due to a cancelled PSU game and scheduling a DII and 1-1 vs FCS playoff participants (not counting Drake, because no one believes they are a top 24 team. Not saying they don't deserve their spot, but it was awarded not earned) so they weren't even in the conversation about which to seed higher. SDSU was 9-1 due to scheduling a DII and was 2-1 vs FCS participants (would have been 3-1 but MoSt is ineligible). NDSU was 10-1 vs FCS, had the best performance vs its FBS opponent of the 3, and was 3-1 vs FCS playoff participants (4-1 but for MoSt's ineligibility). It seems clear to me that USD easily had the weakest resume. Then between NDSU and SDSU, the Bison have more FCS wins, more wins over playoff teams, a better performance in their FBS game (5 pt loss to top 25 9-3 Colorado vs 24 pt loss to 3-9 Ok State), and the H2H. There is no love lost for me with NDSU, but hard to look at those 4 metrics and say the Rabbits should be ranked higher.

Maybe it's not a conspiracy and maybe you're just salty and not an objective observer.

[Professor Chaos]

Head-to-head results between NDSU, SDSU, and USD are virtually a wash since each team won an extremely tight game at home and lost an extremely tight game on the road. Putting that aside NDSU had the best regular season SOS and higher quality regular season wins than either SD school. Part of that was self-inflicted (each scheduled a D2 game) and part was bad luck (neither played Ilinois St and USD didn't play Missouri St either in addition to having a game cancelled). That's why NDSU was the #2 seed.

[MSUBobcat]

Per Massey, games through Tuesday Nov 26th - direct copy from their website to RRR's excel database kept for.... reasons.... So, where's SDSU's #1 seed?!?!
https://i.postimg.cc/KzLt54dm/Screenshot-2024-12-19-140005.png

Now... that being said... while I was hopeful SDSU would get the 2 seed above NDSU, there were arguments to be made either way for both schools... even USD sort of. I do believe it simply came down to number of D1 wins. NDSU > SDSU with a D2 win > USD with a D2 win and a D1 WC cancellation. Sucks to suck, is what it is. Thanks Tarleton State for backing out... I do not think anything nefarious occurred with the NDSU AD.

What is a penalty that's not called in a game? Answer: not a penalty. It's the same situation. At this point there's no use arguing the reasonings for placements of 2-4 seeds... we've all done that at nauseum already. If Jacks do raise that trophy in Frisco this year (and that's certainly an IF), it will feel even sweeter getting that "last monkey" off our back with beating the Bison in the playoffs in the Fargodome finally.

Good find! Or retention policy is perhaps more accurate. As I stated above, I think it was more than just D1 wins. In terms of wins over playoff teams, NDSU (3/4 w/Mo St)>SDSU (2/3 w/ Mo St)>USD (2/1 if we don't count PFL AQ). NDSU clearly played the toughest FBS and also lost by the fewest of the 3; edge NDSU. And NDSU had the H2H over SDSU, albeit a narrow victory at home and if home field is worth 3 pts, the Bison win by 1 on a neutral field and the Jacks would have won by 2 at their house; very narrow edge to NDSU. The only objective metric I can think of that SDSU has over NDSU is being able to say they beat (in OT at home) the team that beat NDSU, who was on the road.

[MSUBobcat]

Head-to-head results between NDSU, SDSU, and USD are virtually a wash since each team won an extremely tight game at home and lost an extremely tight game on the road. Putting that aside NDSU had the best regular season SOS and higher quality regular season wins than either SD school. Part of that was self-inflicted (each scheduled a D2 game) and part was bad luck (neither played Ilinois St and USD didn't play Missouri St either in addition to having a game cancelled). That's why NDSU was the #2 seed.

You're more succinct than I am.... xembarrassedx

[POD Knows]

Except that USD was 8-1 in FCS play due to a cancelled PSU game and scheduling a DII and 1-1 vs FCS playoff participants (not counting Drake, because no one believes they are a top 24 team. Not saying they don't deserve their spot, but it was awarded not earned) so they weren't even in the conversation about which to seed higher. SDSU was 9-1 due to scheduling a DII and was 2-1 vs FCS participants (would have been 3-1 but MoSt is ineligible). NDSU was 10-1 vs FCS, had the best performance vs its FBS opponent of the 3, and was 3-1 vs FCS playoff participants (4-1 but for MoSt's ineligibility). It seems clear to me that USD easily had the weakest resume. Then between NDSU and SDSU, the Bison have more FCS wins, more wins over playoff teams, a better performance in their FBS game (5 pt loss to top 25 9-3 Colorado vs 24 pt loss to 3-9 Ok State), and the H2H. There is no love lost for me with NDSU, but hard to look at those 4 metrics and say the Rabbits should be ranked higher.

Maybe it's not a conspiracy and maybe you're just salty and not an objective observer.
Balls on and anybody that cannot grasp what you spelled out is a hack. That doesn’t mean that NDSU can’t/won’t lose to SDSU, the seeding just means they had a better overall season and were slotted accordingly.

[RahRahRabbits]

SDSU Athletics put out these gameday eve videos before all football games, our radio play-by-play guy Tyler Merriam breaks down the matchup with a very stat-heavy analysis. Here's the one for the little skirmish tomorrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjRdRKJE7k)!

[Christiank22]

SDSU Athletics put out these gameday eve videos before all football games, our radio play-by-play guy Tyler Merriam breaks down the matchup with a very stat-heavy analysis. Here's the one for the little skirmish tomorrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjRdRKJE7k)!

This is for hot takes and disgruntled UND fans only. Thank you though

[MSUBobcat]

SDSU Athletics put out these gameday eve videos before all football games, our radio play-by-play guy Tyler Merriam breaks down the matchup with a very stat-heavy analysis. Here's the one for the little skirmish tomorrow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjRdRKJE7k)!

You guys have a game tomorrow????

[semobison]

False narrative. SDSU lost to NDSU. Not much to talk about there.

Yep, nuff said!

[skinny_uncle]

The first game was close and low scoring.

[JacksFan40]

Might be a good idea to have a safety over their best receiver. Just a thought.

[Bison56]

Nice drive by NDSU. Couldn't have had a better start to the game on both sides of the ball.

[skinny_uncle]

7-0 NDSU.

[skinny_uncle]

7-7.

[JacksFan40]

That’s a good answer by the offense.

[Bison56]

Secondary for NDSU is non existent.

[SUPharmacist]

Let's ****ing go. We got a game here.

[FUBeAR]

No complaints about SoCon Officiating yet? Are y’all OK?

[skinny_uncle]

SDSU 14-7.

[SteelSD]

Can’t turn the ball over. Huge turning point to steal back momentum for NDSU.

[skinny_uncle]

14-14.

[SteelSD]

NDSU acting like soccer players flopping

[Bison56]

NDSU acting like soccer players flopping

I thought LeBron James was on the field.

[SUPharmacist]

Jimmy Rogers is a dick. If you call the timeout take the shot.

[rtzlunar]

Strange end to the half. Coaching blunder by the Bison to not take the TO and allow SDSU to call a TO with 3 seconds left and then they do NOT try a Hail Mary.

[Outsider1]

Good game so far!!

[rtzlunar]

Gronowski with some errant throws when receivers have been open.

[JacksFan40]

Gronowski with some errant throws when receivers have been open.
It’s great isn’t it?

[JacksFan40]

At least one QB can hit his open guys. If Gronowski misses one more open receiver he needs to be taken out.

[JacksFan40]

At least one QB can hit his open guys. If Gronowski misses one more open receiver he needs to be taken out.
Now he’s hitting his guys. Crazy how much better the offense is when he can hit wide open guys.

[SUPharmacist]

Should be a classic finish.

[JacksFan40]

Both teams are injured as hell.

[rtzlunar]

Hell of a 90-yard response and clutch throws on 3rd downs.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

You can just fair catch it at the 1, and they'll call a touchback? If you're NDSU?

[MTfan4life]

Compare that call with the no-call on Amar Johnson. Same timing on the hit. Crazy. He had barely stepped out of bounds a millisecond before the hit and was running up the sideline. He wasn't angling towards out of bounds.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I've watched a few minutes of this game and the officiating needs to be investigated.

[rtzlunar]

Compare that call with the no-call on Amar Johnson. Same timing on the hit. Crazy. He had barely stepped out of bounds a millisecond before the hit and was running up the sideline. He wasn't angling towards out of bounds.
Be glad you don’t get these a SoCon clowns all year. They suck. Horse**** call

[Lehigh Football Nation]

LMFAO they're going to call that bull**** a TD

[skinny_uncle]

21-21.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The announcers, are they NDSU alums or something? LMFAO

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Such utter bull****. No way that was a TD. Knew it. These officials should be disbarred

[JacksFan40]

That was absolutely not a goddamn catch. Good lord these refs are handing the Bison this game.

[RahRahRabbits]

Holy crap... glad you guys are here to witness this GD reffing circus.

Not normally one to cry and complain about refs, but hot dang man....

[Puddin Tane]

That was absolutely not a goddamn catch. Good lord these refs are handing the Bison this game.

thats a td in only one place in the world

[rtzlunar]

Replay official Trey Lance said it was a catch.

[Bison56]

What does JFPA stand for on SDSU helmets?

[skinny_uncle]

NDSU up 28-21.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

What does JFPA stand for on SDSU helmets?

Just ****ing play, a**hole?

Just a guess

[FUBeAR]

There it is. xlolx

[SUPharmacist]

So I need the verdict of the non biased. If it isn't called incomplete to begin with is that a TD?

[RahRahRabbits]

What does JFPA stand for on SDSU helmets?

Jackrabbit Former Players Association. Paid for a couple new sets of helmets, among other things.

[Bison56]

Another great game.

[SUPharmacist]

That was not how I expected that play to go. But hell yeah.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bison are going back to the Natty! Wow!

[JacksFan40]

Every opportunity to win and they completely pissed it down their leg. God awful performance by SDSU today. Still can’t get over the Fargo hump.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Would have been nice if they had scored a TD legitimately to win the game. Though they definitely had the momentum and might have scored anyway.

[TheKingpin28]

Can't believe he turned down 7 figures to lose to the man with a bow and arrow!

If you're gonna play in Texas, you got to have a BISON in the band!

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[RahRahRabbits]

Congrats Bison... I'll just leave it there for now....

[TheKingpin28]

That aside, as always, our #1 rival continues to give us the best game of the year. Hats off rabbits friends and tailgaters!

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[JacksFan40]

I knew that fumble by Amar would be the difference. Bison always win when they win the turnover battle and Jacks had all the momentum at that point. Never got it back again.

[Bison56]

Trey Lances brother is a pretty good player.

[RahRahRabbits]

I knew that fumble by Amar would be the difference. Bison always win when they win the turnover battle and Jacks had all the momentum at that point. Never got it back again.

Turnovers matter, especially one that deep in their territory...

Bison made the plays and got the bounces today. Injuries piled up on both sides. Will be very interesting who gets out of Bozeman today and how they'll fare.

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Trey Lances brother is a pretty good player.

Jacks certainly make him look good anyways.

[skinny_uncle]

Bison win. 28-21.

[SUPharmacist]

Would have been nice if they had scored a TD legitimately to win the game. Though they definitely had the momentum and might have scored anyway.

I can buy that it may not have been enough to overturn the original call, but do you really think with only needing one foot in college that wasn't a legitimate TD?

[Sitting Bull]

Terrific game.

if the Bison fans were bored, they sure didn’t look like it today. Great fan support.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I can buy that it may not have been enough to overturn the original call, but do you really think with only needing one foot in college that wasn't a legitimate TD?

Gingerly having the ball in one hand while falling out of bounds does not equal control, whatever the announcers and officials think.

[semobison]

Bison are going back to the Natty! Wow!

11th trip in 14 years!! This isn’t a dominant Bison team but they get er done!

[Bison56]

Still wondering why SDSU didn't air ot out all game. NDSU secondary is terrible.

[SUPharmacist]

Gingerly having the ball in one hand while falling out of bounds does not equal control, whatever the announcers and officials think.

Something, something like assholes, everyone has one. I will accept I have tinted glasses, just too happy for the moment.

[JacksFan40]

Still wondering why SDSU didn't air ot out all game. NDSU secondary is terrible.
QB couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn for 3/4ths of the game. Also the OC sucks balls, and the Co-OC decided to turn the offense into the UND offense.

[cmt]

Gingerly having the ball in one hand while falling out of bounds does not equal control, whatever the announcers and officials think.

He didn't bobble it though. So once he had the ball in his hand, even if it's only one hand, isn't that control? If he bobbled at all then sure, that's a loss of control. I don't know what the exact rule is in college though outside of needing to have one foot in bounds.

[JacksFan40]

I guess it is fitting that the final year in Frisco (for now at least) has the Bison back in it. Whoever is the QB next year will have a tough time filling Miller’s shoes, he got better each year after a shaky start.

[Christiank22]

Where’s that UND guy that was mad about us being the higher seed??

[kdinva]

Congrats to the Bison, SDSU played too conservative on offense, IMO,. And the play of Lantz was a big difference

[FUBeAR]

Despite what some lesser informed SoCon Fans say, since the SoCon Officials came under the ‘umbrella’ of SEC Officiating, in what they call a “consortium” in February of 2020, their onfield performance has dramatically improved.

They are not perfect and never will be - just like ALL Officials. But they are now relatively consistent AND they take action when SoCon Refs F up.
https://twitter.com/soconsports/status/1576950374606327808
They fired the white hat immediately after this debacle. He has not & will not ever officiate another SoCon game.

The 3 ‘controversial’ calls today - late hit on SDSU RB not called, late hit on NDSU QB called (All OB/near OB hits on QB’s are gonna get called a bit tighter), and the Lance 1-hand catch TD, were all very close calls that could have gone either way. That all 3 went NDSU’s way is likely more coincidental than conspiratorial.

The white hat, Jeff Page…FUBeAR thinks is out of Nashville, and always maintains control of the game with a light, but firm & consistent touch. Don’t always like his calls, but he is a Pro.

The Replay Official, Tripp Self (made the call on the Lance TD catch), is a long, long time SoCon white hat. Wasn’t the greatest in that he was a SoCon Ref for many years before the SEC alliance. Guess he’s moved to the booth as he’s gotten long in the tooth. He’s a Judge by profession, lives in Macon, but has proven to FUBeAR, on more than one occasion, that he is no Mercer Bears fan. But, all-in-all, he is a good man, who loves the game, and always tries to get it right. FUBeAR don’t love Judge Self, but he trusts him.

This may shock some, but FUBeAR will take SoCon Officials over any others he’s seen in FCS, with the possible exception of MVFC Refs - not enough observation to evaluate them.

Think they did a good job today of letting 2 outstanding Teams play, did not try to make the game about them (as horrible Officials are wont to do), and didn’t do a bad job on those 3 close ones.

Were there other close calls that FUBeAR missed?

[dewey]

Yes! Freaking hell yes! Great to beat SDSU twice in a season and head back to Frisco.

Great to see the defense end the game.

Dewey

[Redbird 4th & short]

Gingerly having the ball in one hand while falling out of bounds does not equal control, whatever the announcers and officials think.

Great game, congrats to Bison.

p.s. the Lance catch ruling seemed questionable. Yes, it was in his right hand before he went out of bounds But he didn't secure it until after he was out of bounds.

[FUBeAR]

Great game, congrats to Bison.

p.s. the Lance catch ruling seemed questionable. Yes, it was in his right hand before he went out of bounds But he didn't secure it until after he was out of bounds.
Again, it was a close call … but … if he caught it with 2 hands and the ball doesn’t move through the end of the play … as it did not with his 1-handed catch, would you call it complete or not? If you would call that complete, then we are prescribing HOW the receiver must catch the ball; not determining IF he caught it. That seems outside of an Official’s purview, doesn’t it?

[POD Knows]

3 peats are hard. Eat **** SDSU. 😆

[Lehigh'98]

High level game there. SDSU looked slightly better until that fumble, then NDSU stepped up. Wouldn’t have overturned the TD catch and the late hits either both or neither should’ve been called. Don’t think it would have mattered though, SDSU secondary didn’t seem to have answers.

[bzell92]

You can just fair catch it at the 1, and they'll call a touchback? If you're NDSU?It's a college rule. WTF you talking about. Your constant whining about the, absolutely correct, overturned TD catch leads me to believe you are losing money in a bet or you're a complete moron

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[bzell92]

The announcers, are they NDSU alums or something? LMFAO

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Such utter bull****. No way that was a TD. Knew it. These officials should be disbarredDid you listen to the game. Sam Nacho sounded like he was the President of the Gronowski fan club.

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[bzell92]

Still wondering why SDSU didn't air ot out all game. NDSU secondary is terrible.Probably because their QBs not as good as the Jackrabbits think he is. Ok over the middle but can't throw an out

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[Bison56]

You can just fair catch it at the 1, and they'll call a touchback? If you're NDSU?

I guess you don't understand the rules.xthumbsupx

[JacksFan40]

Probably because their QBs not as good as the Jackrabbits think he is. Ok over the middle but can't throw an out

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Hardly anyone in the fan base has thought very positively of him this year. It’s been obvious since Oklahoma State that he regressed.

[Bisonoline]

Still wondering why SDSU didn't air ot out all game. NDSU secondary is terrible.
Thats what I was wondering. They were killing us across the middle with their BIG tight end and stopped.

[Bisonoline]

Gingerly having the ball in one hand while falling out of bounds does not equal control, whatever the announcers and officials think.

He caught the ball one handed and had control and had one foot down. . Plus he maintained control on the way down.

[Bisonoline]

You can just fair catch it at the 1, and they'll call a touchback? If you're NDSU?

Brush upon your rules sparky.

[ysubigred]

Awesome game. Great W for the Bizon!

One for the thumb on the other hand [emoji2]

Funny, I inquired about an all state NC, and both teams are runners up..

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[ysubigred]

Brush upon your rules sparky.LOL..

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[BisonBacker]

I guess it is fitting that the final year in Frisco (for now at least) has the Bison back in it. Whoever is the QB next year will have a tough time filling Miller’s shoes, he got better each year after a shaky start.
I'm excited about the young man that filled in after our #2 got hurt earlier in the year. That kid will fill the position and there will not be the huge dropoff one would expect in their first year from the previous year. Kids a stud!

[dewey]

You can just fair catch it at the 1, and they'll call a touchback? If you're NDSU?

LOL! Clearly you don't know the rules.

https://fansided.com/2021/09/11/college-football-fair-catch-rule-explained/


"This rule was implemented in 2018 to reduce the number of high-speed collisions on kickoffs and make the game safer for return players."

I just watched Tennessee fair catch at the 3 and the ball is moved out to the 25. Shocking.

Dewey

[Christiank22]

Okay but for real where’s that UND fan that was mad we had the home game because some computer system said we would lose by 8 or something? I’m worried

[Outsider1]

Hats off to ya Bison.

[CopperCat]

Would really appreciate the SDSU fans selling their tickets post haste :)

[SDFS]

Where’s that UND guy that was mad about us being the higher seed??

Congrats to NDSU.

[SDFS]

Okay but for real where’s that UND fan that was mad we had the home game because some computer system said we would lose by 8 or something? I’m worried

Oh, I am all good. I had a nice day with my family in town. I just saw the score. Have a great Christmas, NDSU still didn't earn the 2 seed. I am not alone AGS voted SDSU as the number 2 in the final poll. So, many people agree with this opinion. I will watch the replay tomorrow afternoon to see what happened.

[deez_na]

So what I read in this thread was apparently certain people don’t know the rules of football, also the refs love the bison with the 3 penalties both teams had, and making a one handed grab doesn’t count as control. Tell Odell Beckham and many others that. Late hit on Miller, he got fricken hammered and the former teammate or whatever left his feet just trying to dismantle him while the RB late hit you likely are referring to the angle they showed yeah the bison guy pushed him after he just stopped out but wasn’t nearly close to the hit Miller took, also didn’t he bunnies score that drive?

[Hammerhead]

It seems like the definition of targeting is always changing, but the defender clearly launched himself and use the crown of the helmet to hit a runner out of bounds in the head and neck area.


High level game there. SDSU looked slightly better until that fumble, then NDSU stepped up. Wouldn’t have overturned the TD catch and the late hits either both or neither should’ve been called. Don’t think it would have mattered though, SDSU secondary didn’t seem to have answers.

[POD Knows]

Did you listen to the game. Sam Nacho sounded like he was the President of the Gronowski fan club.

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This and how many times did they talk about SDSU guys in the NFL. They had an entire graphic about it.

[POD Knows]

Okay but for real where’s that UND fan that was mad we had the home game because some computer system said we would lose by 8 or something? I’m worried
Go to their Hitler youth site SS, they have a pretty good, (delusional) rant about it there. Zero critical thinking skills are required although they have a couple of rational guys there, none of whom post on here

[Bisonator]

Hell of a game. Fun to end the jacks little run and stop Gronkowski from getting the wins record from Easton. Too bad all you hear is whining from the losers and other idiots that don't even understand the rules but just want to see NDSU lose. Hopefully the Bison win the last Frisco championship!

[Professor Chaos]

It seems like the definition of targeting is always changing, but the defender clearly launched himself and use the crown of the helmet to hit a runner out of bounds in the head and neck area.
The first thing you have to identify is whether the player is "protected" such as a QB throwing the ball or a receiver trying to make a catch. In this Cam Miller was not protected since he was treated as a ball carrier. Therefore forcible contact to the head/neck of the runner isn't an indicator for targeting. Basically the only way targeting can be called on a player who isn't "protected" is if the defender leads with crown of his helmet and launches - it doesn't even matter if contact is below the head/neck of the ball carrier (the rule in that case is more designed to protect the tackler).

All that being said officials are well aware when it's a QB carrying the ball and are much quicker to throw flags on borderline late/OB hits on the QB versus an RB and that's probably a big reason why Bison got the call in this case.

[Bisonoline]

Go to their Hitler youth site SS, they have a pretty good, (delusional) rant about it there. Zero critical thinking skills are required although they have a couple of rational guys there, none of whom post on here

They are literally void of any resemblance of reality. They are severely butt hurt and the tears ooz out of their pours.

[ysubigred]

This and how many times did they talk about SDSU guys in the NFL. They had an entire graphic about it.Haters gonna hate..

GooooooBizon!!

One for the thumb on the other hand [emoji210]

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