AGS Poll Results 2024 Week 9

[AGSPoll]

10/28/2024



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1128
24


2
Montana State Bobcats
1122
22


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1055



4
UC Davis Aggies
985



5
South Dakota Coyotes
976



6
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
904



7
Incarnate Word Cardinals
795



8
Idaho Vandals
756



9
Tarleton Texans
714



10
Montana Grizzlies
695



11
Mercer Bears
661



12
Central Arkansas Bears
614



13
Rhode Island Rams
549



14
Chattanooga Mocs
534



15
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
516



16
Richmond Spiders
492



17
Villanova Wildcats
479



18
Missouri State Bears
307



19
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
295



20
Abilene Christian Wildcats
292



21
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
263



22
Stony Brook Seawolves
245



23
Illinois State Redbirds
142



24
Dartmouth Big Green
100



25
William & Mary Tribe
80
















ORV:




26
Tennessee State Tigers
55



27
North Carolina Central Eagles
53



28
Harvard Crimson
35



29
Duquesne Dukes
25



30
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
24



31
Western Carolina Catamounts
17



32
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
10



33
Maine Black Bears
9



34
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
7



35
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
6



36T
Lamar Cardinals
2



36T
Sac State Hornets
2



36T
Samford Bulldogs
2



36T
Towson Tigers
2






















Most Significant Win:
South Dakota State Jackrabbits






Most Significant Loss:
North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[Chalupa Batman]

Not sure how SDSU is the most significant win. They played the team that was ranked right behind them in the poll (and they were really close as USD was only 17 points behind) and they played to a tie in regulation. Not saying the Jacks needed to be dinged or anything, but that is pretty much the outcome that should've been expected.

Also, at quick glance it appears the 25 teams ranked last week are the same 25 teams ranked this week. I wonder if that's ever happened before that no teams entered or dropped out of the poll?


For your viewing pleasure:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Mercer Bears
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Tarleton Texans
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[Professor Chaos]

This week's top 25: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-9-top-25-results-6/

Might be the least movement I've ever seen in a new AGS Poll release but that's not all that surprising considering there was only one loss amongst last week's top 25 to a team outside of the top 25 (YSU over UND).

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I imagine it is the MSW because even though they played serious competition, 2 losses b2b would have probably dropped them in a lot of people's mind. Doesn't mean it would have been correct but the loss by SDSU would have probably been more damaging than USD losing.

[Professor Chaos]

Not sure how SDSU is the most significant win. They played the team that was ranked right behind them in the poll (and they were really close as USD was only 17 points behind) and they played to a tie in regulation. Not saying the Jacks needed to be dinged or anything, but that is pretty much the outcome that should've been expected.

Also, at quick glance it appears the 25 teams ranked last week are the same 25 teams ranked this week. I wonder if that's ever happened before that no teams entered or dropped out of the poll?


For your viewing pleasure:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Mercer Bears
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Tarleton Texans
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
I just couldn't think of any other win all that significant - had SDSU dropped their 2nd straight after going on a 32 game FCS win streak it would've been pretty significant so I gave them the nod for avoiding that.

We had the same top 25 from the previous week in last year's final poll - I don't recall when it happened before that but it is pretty rare.

[Chalupa Batman]

I imagine it is the MSW because even though they played serious competition, 2 losses b2b would have probably dropped them in a lot of people's mind. Doesn't mean it would have been correct but the loss by SDSU would have probably been more damaging than USD losing.

Fair point about SDSU being significant if they would've lost 2 in a row, but to me that's more about their playoff positioning then in the poll ranking. All depends on how the voter wants to look at it.


I just couldn't think of any other win all that significant - had SDSU dropped their 2nd straight after going on a 32 game FCS win streak it would've been pretty significant so I gave them the nod for avoiding that.

We had the same top 25 from the previous week in last year's final poll - I don't recall when it happened before that but it is pretty rare.

I went with Stony Brook beating William & Mary as the most significant win just because of the way they soundly beat the Tribe as that was the most surprising result of the weekend, along with accounting for the most upward movement of a team in my poll.

Thanks for the info about the same 25 teams being in back to back weeks! Figured it probably had happened before but knew it has to be pretty rare too.

[ElCid]

Not sure how SDSU is the most significant win. They played the team that was ranked right behind them in the poll (and they were really close as USD was only 17 points behind) and they played to a tie in regulation. Not saying the Jacks needed to be dinged or anything, but that is pretty much the outcome that should've been expected.


Yeah I'm always interested in people's choices. It's definitely subjective, but that one is a head scratcher. Why was it significant? Did those choosing them not expect them to win. Win by more? Did they underperform?

Personally I chose Stony Brook. They had no very good wins until last week against Towson. Their convincing win this past week against W&M was definitely significant in regard to consistency and solidified them as belonging in the poll, getting a whole lot more votes and moving a bit.

I sometimes think, possibly incorrectly, that some people think of it as some sort of popularity contest. They think the USD/SDSU was the biggest game in their mind so whoever won it had to be the most significant win. When near ranked teams play, I only think it significant if a blowout happens. Certainly not when it's an OT game. And nothing change in regard to their ranking, so the significance is a mystery and didn't translate into anything up or down.

[ElCid]

I just couldn't think of any other win all that significant - had SDSU dropped their 2nd straight after going on a 32 game FCS win streak it would've been pretty significant so I gave them the nod for avoiding that.

We had the same top 25 from the previous week in last year's final poll - I don't recall when it happened before that but it is pretty rare.

I guess I could buy that. The win was significant because two losses in a row would have been devastating to them. But it is a little bit of a stretch. They were predicted to win by the betting line and computers. So ..... it's theoretically significant.

[Professor Chaos]

Last week I had Stony Brook at #24 and William & Mary at #25 so neither the result in that game or the result of the SDSU/USD game had a big impact on my poll ballot this week - and without further ado here it is:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Tarleton Texans
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Missouri State Bears
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: Mercer Bears
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Abilene Christian Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Dartmouth Big Green
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Illinois State Redbirds

[MSUBobcat]

Not a voter, as I've acknowledged plenty of times, but I can agree with the thinking that ANY win over a top-5 team is a very significant win, regardless if you were also top-5. As far as resume-building games go, a top-5 win is about as significant as it gets.

I also would have agreed if Stony got the nod, as they've somewhat quietly been putting together a playoff-worthy resume the last 2 weeks.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Most significant was Stony Brook handling William & Mary.

However, was tempted to pick Tennessee-Martin. They beat a team they should by a margin they should if they are a top 10 team, and since Southeast Missouri State is a top 10 team, it is not even remotely a stretch to say that Tennessee-Martin is a top 10 team. If the justification is a 3 pt loss, in 2 OT, in UT-M's 2nd game, in week 3 (SEMO had played an extra game at this point), @ SEMO, and body of work/strength of schedule doesn't matter, then I guess their win is insignificant. Most significant, probably not, but they have been handling common opponents as well/better than SEMO...this should garner a bit more respect than it has. Also, the lack of critiquing SEMO in a way that Sam Houston or Incarnate Word were in past years for playing in a conference like the Southland is astounding, at least to me.

FUBeAR, I could not rank four SoCon in the top 10 like you suggested was reasonable in a recent weekly SoCon thread. But hopefully, two will suffice?

----------

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/27/2024 17:33:50

Your vote is listed below.

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
8: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Tarleton Texans
13: Mercer Bears
14: Abilene Christian Wildcats
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Missouri State Bears
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[FUBeAR]

FUBeAR, I could not rank four SoCon in the top 10 like you suggested was reasonable in a recent weekly SoCon thread. But hopefully, two will suffice?
Haters gon’ hate.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
8: Mercer Bears
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Tarleton Texans
12: Idaho Vandals
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Abilene Christian Wildcats
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Harvard Crimson
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Dartmouth Big Green

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[TheKingpin28]

Flame away:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Tarleton Texans
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Mercer Bears
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Missouri State Bears
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Abilene Christian Wildcats
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Stony Brook Seawolves
24: Dartmouth Big Green
25: North Carolina Central Eagles


Side note: USeD did not deserve to drop to 5 if SDSU is 3, but that's just me.

Sent from my SM-A546U1 using Tapatalk

[POD Knows]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
7: Central Arkansas Bears
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Mercer Bears
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Tarleton Texans
17: Idaho Vandals
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Tennessee State Tigers

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Stony Brook Seawolves
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

this is the freaking Bible, don't care what anybody says and let it be known that if you take issue with this you are contesting divine influence.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. Montana St. (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. South Dakota St. (4)
4. UC Davis (5)
5. South Dakota (3)
6. Southeast Missouri St. (6)
7. Incarnate Word (7)
8. Tennessee-Chattanooga (8)
9. Idaho (9)
10. Tarleton St. (10)
11. Rhode Island (12)
12. Mercer (13)
13. Abilene Christian (14)
14. Central Arkansas (15)
15. Duquesne (16)
16. Montana (17)
17. Missouri St. (18)
18. Tennessee-Martin (19)
19. East Tennessee St. (20)
20. Richmond (21)
21. Villanova (24)
22. Stony Brook (25)
23. Dartmouth (23)
24. North Dakota (11)
25. Southern Utah (NR)

Dropped - Monmouth (22)


W - South Dakota St.
L - North Dakota

[FU_Paladin08]

Many of yall shot ETSU way up the rankings for a loss to NDSU. They haven’t beaten any ranked teams yet this year so I like this Mercer game as a measuring stick for where they really belong.

[FUBeAR]

Many of yall shot ETSU way up the rankings for a loss to NDSU. They haven’t beaten any ranked teams yet this year so I like this Mercer game as a measuring stick for where they really belong.
FUBeAR likes it too.

If Mercer can pull off the win over ETSU, it is clear evidence that the Bears really belong in the same tier as NDSU.

Good callout.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Many of yall shot ETSU way up the rankings for a loss to NDSU. They haven’t beaten any ranked teams yet this year so I like this Mercer game as a measuring stick for where they really belong.

I don't disagree, but ETSU also has not lost to a nobody either. Their losses are to the #1 and #14 by a combined total of 10 pt. Haven't beaten anybody and haven't lost to nobody. This is why the Mercer game is intriguing.


FUBeAR likes it too.

If Mercer can pull off the win over ETSU, it is clear evidence that the Bears really belong in the same tier as NDSU.

Good callout.

I like your moxie. However, Mercer HAS lost to a nobody (Samford fans, I apologize for this terminology, and I am quite happy to have you step up here and explain why your team is better than the teams that ETSU has beaten thus far, and please start with The Citadel...or head-to-head with ETSU, dealer's choice). I can appreciate that the Bears did beat the Mocs in week 3, and of course, I think pretty highly of the Mocs and Buccaneers (and even the Bears until they s*** the bed against the Bulldogs)...of course, you all know this as my polls are among the relative few that are posted weekly.

Same tier, I hope so. Realistically, however, the size of the tier might be somewhere in-between what PWO thinks and what FUBeAR thinks. I just get a kick out of ETSU representing the SoCon pretty well, and yet, some SoCon fans dismissing them (or not, when it suits the narrative)...I find it somewhat ironic (and a bit comical).

FUBeAR, I hope your Bears show out. I also hope the Buccaneers show out, and that it is a fantastic game demonstrating just how strong both teams are. I know I'll be watching the replay (stupid Bison game getting in the way and all).

[FUBeAR]

I don't disagree, but ETSU also has not lost to a nobody either. Their losses are to the #1 and #14 by a combined total of 10 pt. Haven't beaten anybody and haven't lost to nobody. This is why the Mercer game is intriguing.



I like your moxie. However, Mercer HAS lost to a nobody (Samford fans, I apologize for this terminology, and I am quite happy to have you step up here and explain why your team is better than the teams that ETSU has beaten thus far, and please start with The Citadel...or head-to-head with ETSU, dealer's choice). I can appreciate that the Bears did beat the Mocs in week 3, and of course, I think pretty highly of the Mocs and Buccaneers (and even the Bears until they s*** the bed against the Bulldogs)...of course, you all know this as my polls are among the relative few that are posted weekly.

Same tier, I hope so. Realistically, however, the size of the tier might be somewhere in-between what PWO thinks and what FUBeAR thinks. I just get a kick out of ETSU representing the SoCon pretty well, and yet, some SoCon fans dismissing them (or not, when it suits the narrative)...I find it somewhat ironic (and a bit comical).

FUBeAR, I hope your Bears show out. I also hope the Buccaneers show out, and that it is a fantastic game demonstrating just how strong both teams are. I know I'll be watching the replay (stupid Bison game getting in the way and all).
FUBeAR has recently learned that Samford’s Public Safety Department pulled over the bus carrying the Mercer Offense & Specialists for having a broken taillight as they were entering the Samford campus. This (likely bogus) delay caused the (actual) Mercer Offense & Punter to be unable to take the field until about 4 minutes after Kickoff. The “Players” wearing Mercer uniforms during their 1st 3 series were actually Mercer’s Student Trainers, Student Managers, and a few (female) Cheerleaders. The understandable ineptitude of this collection of “replacements” and the general disruption of such a calamity left Mercer trailing 21-0 in those 240 seconds. Upon the arrival to the field of the Real Bears, Mercer was able to pull out a 56-minute 35-34 victory.

So…you need to strip those soiled bed linens out of your brain and recalibrate Mercer based upon this newly available information.


And, FUBeAR does not understand the “assignment” (bolded above). Mercer beat CIT by 3 scores, beat Chatt (who beat ETSU), hasn’t played a D2 like UVa-Wise or a next-to-last (out of all 34 Teams in the conference) CAA Team, and beat Woffy by more than the MountainPirates did. Seems like a silly exercise.

[Professor Chaos]

Selection committee top 10 looks pretty darn close to the current AGS Poll - here's what they had and in parenthesis is how much higher or lower the AGS Poll has them:

1. NDSU (=)
2. Montana St (=)
3. SDSU (=)
4. USD (+1)
5. UC Davis (-1)
6. SEMO (=)
7. Idaho (+1)
8. Mercer (+3)
9. Incarnate Word (-2)
10. Montana (=)

AGS Poll has Tarleton at #9 and they're not in the committee top 10. That's a total of 8 seed lines off amongst the top 10. By comparison the STATS poll was 11 seed lines off and the Coaches poll was 17 seeds lines off. AGS Poll wins again!

[Preferred Walk-On]

FUBeAR has recently learned that Samford’s Public Safety Department pulled over the bus carrying the Mercer Offense & Specialists for having a broken taillight as they were entering the Samford campus. This (likely bogus) delay caused the (actual) Mercer Offense & Punter to be unable to take the field until about 4 minutes after Kickoff. The “Players” wearing Mercer uniforms during their 1st 3 series were actually Mercer’s Student Trainers, Student Managers, and a few (female) Cheerleaders. The understandable ineptitude of this collection of “replacements” and the general disruption of such a calamity left Mercer trailing 21-0 in those 240 seconds. Upon the arrival to the field of the Real Bears, Mercer was able to pull out a 56-minute 35-34 victory.

So…you need to strip those soiled bed linens out of your brain and recalibrate Mercer based upon this newly available information.


And, FUBeAR does not understand the “assignment” (bolded above). Mercer beat CIT by 3 scores, beat Chatt (who beat ETSU), hasn’t played a D2 like UVa-Wise or a next-to-last (out of all 34 Teams in the conference) CAA Team, and beat Woffy by more than the MountainPirates did. Seems like a silly exercise.
That was an exercise for Samford fans, but I suppose we all skim a post every now and again.

I will definitely recalibrate following this weekend's results. But that insider information will also come in useful. Hopefully the playoff committee is privy to that info (perhaps they were, based on their top 10 release). Luckily, they don't use the AGS poll, so nothing to worry about here.

As it sits, I am still correct in saying that Mercer did in fact lose to Samford. You left that off your list (alluded to in insider info, but again, not on bolded list).

[Mayville Bison]

Selection committee top 10 looks pretty darn close to the current AGS Poll - here's what they had and in parenthesis is how much higher or lower the AGS Poll has them:

1. NDSU (=)
2. Montana St (=)
3. SDSU (=)
4. UC Davis (+1)
5. USD (-1)
6. SEMO (=)
7. Idaho (+1)
8. Mercer (+3)
9. Incarnate Word (-2)
10. Montana (=)

AGS Poll has Tarleton at #9 and they're not in the committee top 10. That's a total of 8 seed lines off amongst the top 10. By comparison the STATS poll was 11 seed lines off and the Coaches poll was 17 seeds lines off. AGS Poll wins again!

The one I'm looking at has USD at 4 and UC Davis at 5 https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2024-10-30/north-dakota-state-montana-state-lead-fcs-football-committees-top-10

EDIT-looks like you factored in the +1/-1 correctly, but just listed them according to AGS poll instead of the Committee top 10 like you did the rest of the list

[Professor Chaos]

The one I'm looking at has USD at 4 and UC Davis at 5 https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2024-10-30/north-dakota-state-montana-state-lead-fcs-football-committees-top-10

EDIT-looks like you factored in the +1/-1 correctly, but just listed them according to AGS poll instead of the Committee top 10 like you did the rest of the list
Whoops! You're right - mixed up the teams but had the +/- right.

[F'N Hawks]

I had never looked at South Dakota's resume. Leaves a lot to be desired for the #4 team in the country.

[POD Knows]

I had never looked at South Dakota's resume. Leaves a lot to be desired for the #4 team in the country.Yea, but who are you gonna put ahead of them? Davis, have you looked at their resume?? I have had them at 4 in my poll for a awhile and if they would have gotten boat raced at SDSU I had planned on dropping them a few spots. There is nobody behind them worthy of a top 4 spot.

[NDSU1980]

Yea, but who are you gonna put ahead of them? Davis, have you looked at their resume?? I have had them at 4 in my poll for a awhile and if they would have gotten boat raced at SDSU I had planned on dropping them a few spots. There is nobody behind them worthy of a top 4 spot.
So how far does USD drop if/when NDSU beats them at the end of the season? I would think it would be a couple spots.

[POD Knows]

So how far does USD drop if/when NDSU beats them at the end of the season? I would think it would be a couple spots.
It depends on what the game looks like, if it looks like the playoff game last year and they finish the year 8-3 I would probably have them in at 8-10 depending on what the other teams do. I dropped North Dakota quite a few spots based on who they lost to and the fact that they only have one quality win. The FCS field is just not very deep.