AGS Poll Results 2024 Week 8

[AGSPoll]

10/21/2024




Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1150
24


2
Montana State Bobcats
1143
23


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1063



4
South Dakota Coyotes
1046



5
UC Davis Aggies
983



6
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
903



7
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
864



8
Incarnate Word Cardinals
780



9
Idaho Vandals
717



10
Tarleton Texans
681



11
Montana Grizzlies
673



12
Mercer Bears
599



13
Central Arkansas Bears
580



14
Chattanooga Mocs
513



15
Villanova Wildcats
508



16
Rhode Island Rams
491



17
Richmond Spiders
449



18
William & Mary Tribe
409



19
Missouri State Bears
274



20
Abilene Christian Wildcats
271



21
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
270



22
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
249



23
Illinois State Redbirds
144



24
Stony Brook Seawolves
81



25
Dartmouth Big Green
76
















ORV:




26
Tennessee State Tigers
57



27
North Carolina Central Eagles
56



28
Maine Black Bears
39



29
Western Carolina Catamounts
38



30T
Harvard Crimson
31



30T
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
31



32
Duquesne Dukes
25



33
Samford Bulldogs
19



34
Monmouth Hawks
17



35
Sac State Hornets
15



36
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12



37
New Hampshire Wildcats
8



38
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
5



39
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
3



40T
Lamar Cardinals/Southern Illinois Salukis
1
















Most Significant Win:
North Dakota State Bison






Most Significant Loss:
Villanova Wildcats

[Outsider1]

Again, why all the love for UCA with a bye week and ranked lower than ACU in their own conference? One game made that much difference? ACU already showed it was an outlier game.

[Professor Chaos]

This week's top 25 article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-6/

Pretty boring week in terms of movement this week. Continuing a theme in the AGS Poll so far this season after surprising losses both Mercer and Villanova had pretty soft landings I thought. Mercer made a little more sense since they've got a nice win over Chattanooga to fall back on but Villanova isn't getting propped up by much in my opinion so #15 in the consensus is pretty generous especiially with Maine still in the ORV - I guess their win over Stony Brook does look better now so maybe it's not too crazy.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/20/2024 15:17:45

Your vote is listed below.

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Idaho Vandals
13: Tarleton Texans
14: Abilene Christian Wildcats
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Mercer Bears
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: Richmond Spiders
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
25: Dartmouth Big Green

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Again, why all the love for UCA with a bye week and ranked lower than ACU in their own conference? One game made that much difference? ACU already showed it was an outlier game.
Agreed - as I mentioned in my last post it seems like we've had a theme of soft landings this year in the AGS Poll after highly ranked teams took surprising losses but ACU losing to UNA last week was not one of those. FWIW ACU did make up about 40 points in the margin between them and UCA from last week (meaning on average every voter had them about 1 spot closer to each other this week) but I still don't think UCA should be that far above ACU in the consensus if even above them at all.

[Professor Chaos]

My poll ballot this week:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Tarleton Texans
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Missouri State Bears
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: Mercer Bears
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Abilene Christian Wildcats
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Maine Black Bears
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: William & Mary Tribe

[Outsider1]

Agreed - as I mentioned in my last post it seems like we've had a theme of soft landings this year in the AGS Poll after highly ranked teams took surprising losses but ACU losing to UNA last week was not one of those. FWIW ACU did make up about 40 points in the margin between them and UCA from last week (meaning on average every voter had them about 1 spot closer to each other this week) but I still don't think UCA should be that far above ACU in the consensus if even above them at all.

It's not just the AGS poll unfortunately. It's like no one is even paying attention this year and UCA is getting a free pass on their name. The rest of the season will prove itself, but still frustrating. I was harsh on us last week but corrected it this week.

[Mayville Bison]

I'm curious to see where those who ranked NDSU #1 have MSU/SDSU. In my mind, MSU should NOT be #2 on anyone's poll - they should be either #1 or #3. NDSU and SDSU have to be tied together as either 1/2 or 2/3 since they basically tied if you take out home field advantage.

[Chalupa Batman]

For your viewing pleasure:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Mercer Bears
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Idaho Vandals
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Richmond Spiders
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Tarleton Texans
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Dartmouth Big Green
22: Missouri State Bears
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats

[Outsider1]

I'm curious to see where those who ranked NDSU #1 have MSU/SDSU. In my mind, MSU should NOT be #2 on anyone's poll - they should be either #1 or #3. NDSU and SDSU have to be tied together as either 1/2 or 2/3 since they basically tied if you take out home field advantage.


I had:

#1 NDSU
#2 SDSU
#3 MSU

But, the differences between them are very marginal...

[dbackjon]

Other than they win close games against bad teams, why rank Dartmouth?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: Montana State Bobcats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
8: Mercer Bears
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Tarleton Texans
13: Idaho Vandals
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: William & Mary Tribe
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Abilene Christian Wildcats
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Go Lehigh TU Owl

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Bisonator]

I had:

#1 NDSU
#2 SDSU
#3 MSU

But, the differences between them are very marginal...
That's how I'd have the top 3 if I were still voting. Montana State has a shiny record but when you look at it they really haven't played a tough team outside of Idaho and that's lost a little luster as well.

[SeattleCat]

That's how I'd have the top 3 if I were still voting. Montana State has a shiny record but when you look at it they really haven't played a tough team outside of Idaho and that's lost a little luster as well.

I ranked MSU at 2, to be fair on our scheduling, Maine is looking better and better each week and we've absolutely destroyed every team we've played, even Idaho. Our 2's and 3's have played the second half of EVERY game this year... that's pretty impressive.

[MSUBobcat]

I'm curious to see where those who ranked NDSU #1 have MSU/SDSU. In my mind, MSU should NOT be #2 on anyone's poll - they should be either #1 or #3. NDSU and SDSU have to be tied together as either 1/2 or 2/3 since they basically tied if you take out home field advantage.

Of the 47 voters, 31 agreed with you. Assuming no one voted MSU any lower than 3rd, to arrive at their point total of 1,143, MSU received 23 first place votes, 16 second place votes and 8 third place votes. Interestingly, 2 people who voted for MSU as #1 did NOT vote NDSU as the #2 team, since 24x25=600 from 1st place votes and 23x24=552 from 2nd place votes for a total of 1,152, yet the Bison only received 1,150. The most likely breakdown of their votes would be 24 firsts, 21 seconds, and 2 third places. I believe the only other option for NDSU would be 24 first, 22 second and 1 fourth.

So... which 2 voted for NDSU 3rd, and who are the 2 teams ranked above them??? Or who voted NDSU FOURTH and what 3 teams are higher????

[ElCid]

I'm fairly sure than must be one of the closest #1/#2 point totals I've seen in AGS. Maybe I'm wrong. Glad to see a growing competitive field though.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm fairly sure than must be one of the closest #1/#2 point totals I've seen in AGS. Maybe I'm wrong. Glad to see a growing competitive field though.
Closest since the Week 12 (Selection Sunday) Poll of 2022 when Sac St edged SDSU by 2 points for the top spot: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-12-top-25-results-4/

Ironically enough that was also the last poll before this one where SDSU wasn't ranked #1.

[ElCid]

One point to ponder, is Maine's increasing vote totals. They have been getting better. However, after dropping a couple head scratchers early, Monmouth has racked up 5 impressive games, with only one loss against Delaware in those 5 games, and they thumped Maine, at Maine and notched a scalp. And the E Wash road game turned out to not be a horrible loss. So if you are going to vote for Maine, Monmouth should probably be right there. No? They are certainly both fringe top 25 teams, but definitely worthy of serious consideration. They've been on my radar for a while.

[Professor Chaos]

One point to ponder, is Maine's increasing vote totals. They have been getting better. However, after dropping a couple head scratchers early, Monmouth has racked up 5 impressive games, with only one loss against Delaware in those 5 games, and they thumped Maine, at Maine and notched a scalp. And the E Wash road game turned out to not be a horrible loss. So if you are going to vote for Maine, Monmouth should probably be right there. No? They are certainly both fringe top 25 teams, but definitely worthy of serious consideration. They've been on my radar for a while.
That loss @EWU still looks pretty bad to me - no matter what happens from here on out EWU still lost to Drake the next week on that very same field and EWU is still just 1-5 outside of their win over Monmouth. Monmouth has a 2nd bad loss IMO as well to Lafayette - looks worse now than it did at the time. They're fringe top 25 for me, much like Maine, but I could overlook Maine's loss to Monmouth moreso than overlooking Monmouth's losses to EWU and Lafayette.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.....IN WEEK #7 AGS POLL....RICHMOND WAS #18........IN WEEK # 8.......SPIDERS MOVE UP TA #17..........ONLY......ONE SPOT JUMP.....FOR SHUTTIN' DOWN.....DELAWARE'S PREVIOUSLY.......UNDEFEATEED...OFFENSE....??...... .BRAWK?

[ElCid]

That loss @EWU still looks pretty bad to me - no matter what happens from here on out EWU still lost to Drake the next week on that very same field and EWU is still just 1-5 outside of their win over Monmouth. Monmouth has a 2nd bad loss IMO as well to Lafayette - looks worse now than it did at the time. They're fringe top 25 for me, much like Maine, but I could overlook Maine's loss to Monmouth moreso than overlooking Monmouth's losses to EWU and Lafayette.

Well that's fair. But also, consider the scalp. Also looking at common Delaware game. One score loss compared to four scores loss. Maine's lone standout win was a most likely overrated Nova. They are still a bit close in my mind. Tie goes to the H2H. And that was a 29 point win for Monmouth, in Maine. I guess I'm looking at the positives rather than the negatives.

[Mayville Bison]

Of the 47 voters, 31 agreed with you. Assuming no one voted MSU any lower than 3rd, to arrive at their point total of 1,143, MSU received 23 first place votes, 16 second place votes and 8 third place votes. Interestingly, 2 people who voted for MSU as #1 did NOT vote NDSU as the #2 team, since 24x25=600 from 1st place votes and 23x24=552 from 2nd place votes for a total of 1,152, yet the Bison only received 1,150. The most likely breakdown of their votes would be 24 firsts, 21 seconds, and 2 third places. I believe the only other option for NDSU would be 24 first, 22 second and 1 fourth.

So... which 2 voted for NDSU 3rd, and who are the 2 teams ranked above them??? Or who voted NDSU FOURTH and what 3 teams are higher????

There's a good argument to be made that SDSU is still higher than NDSU. Going on the road and losing in the last 2 minutes by 4 points? I wouldn't have an issue with someone saying MSU/SDSU/NDSU in that order. I wouldn't put it that way, but I can't confidently say NDSU wins that game on a neutral field or in Brookings.

[MUHAWKS]

Well that's fair. But also, consider the scalp. Also looking at common Delaware game. One score loss compared to four scores loss. Maine's lone standout win was a most likely overrated Nova. They are still a bit close in my mind. Tie goes to the H2H. And that was a 29 point win for Monmouth, in Maine. I guess I'm looking at the positives rather than the negatives.


appreciate the love elcid- but the great part is our schedule is pretty difficult over the last 5 games- why is that great? B/c I think we are good, perhaps very good and we will get the chance to beat a raked URI, ranked Nova and maybe even a ranked or near ranked Stony Brook- add to that a road trip at UNH and Towson this week and we go 4-1 and I see no way we can be left out of the playoffs. I also disagree with one thing here (not said by you) but we here at AGS have a tendency to be biased at times- me included- but the whole "now looks like bad loss" or "now the win looks better" is very inconsistent. I am not saying one is right or wrong, but the FACT is Lafayette was a playoff team bringing tons of guys back and ranked coming into our game. anyone can see the way they played THaT game was in good fashion.. what happens after is sort of meaingless to what they were on that day. Or maybe its not? EWU can play with anyone, look at the Montana game- but yes they are not great- but if we are going to think like that why dot we think like "wow MU smashed Maine who smashed Nova" or "Mu beat fordham by 50 and Holy cross barely beat them yet we give credit to URI and UNH for beating HC" and credit to Stony for beathing fordham by 1 score. We just beat Bryant 55-17. Bryant beat Brown. Brown beat harvard ad played URI very tough.. I mean we can go on and on and on but it seems people only care about it when its a "bad loss" weeks after the fact never a good or dominant win" after the fact. I do not really care right now, but Maine ahead of MU is sort of laughable-

[POD Knows]

Other than they win close games against bad teams, why rank Dartmouth?
Because everybody else sucks

[ElCid]

.....IN WEEK #7 AGS POLL....RICHMOND WAS #18........IN WEEK # 8.......SPIDERS MOVE UP TA #17..........ONLY......ONE SPOT JUMP.....FOR SHUTTIN' DOWN.....DELAWARE'S PREVIOUSLY.......UNDEFEATEED...OFFENSE....??...... .BRAWK?

I was a little surprised at that. But not much. But Delaware, like all transitioning teams, whether eligible for any championships or not, is no longer 100% the same team as if it weren't transitioning. Look at any team that announced it was moving up in the last 20 years and you will see inconsistency in performance. For one example, App St went 8-4 and 4-8 their last two years post announcement. I'll give another. KSU went from 11-2 to 3-6 while still eligible. Distractions about the future are probably affecting coaches and players alike. I think people realize this and take it into account. I know I do. Sure they are still good, but absolutely not entirely consistent.

[POD Knows]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
7: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Mercer Bears
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Tarleton Texans
17: Idaho Vandals
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats

Havent posted my poll for a few weeks because it is tiresome reading comments from folks that don't post their own polls or even vote and then attempt to break balls on those that do.

For the record, my biggest deviations on my poll vs AGS is my ranking of UCA, don't like it, suck my balls, I have watched them play more than once, also Tarleton at 10 in the AGS poll is a joke, I dumped Idaho because I think this is a sinking ship, I just got a feeling that they are not the team they could have been without the injuries, I also think MoState is under valued in this poll, but take that for what it is worth, I got a whopping 13 correct in this weeks pick 'em. I can't wait until Nova loses against so I can dump them totally out of my poll.

I also got Harvard in my poll as a screw you to all the other bottom feeders that fail to show up week to week.

Damn, those first 3 or 4 are tough, I have no idea who is the better team on a neutral site.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I was a little surprised at that. But not much. But Delaware, like all transitioning teams, whether eligible for any championships or not, is no longer 100% the same team as if it weren't transitioning. Look at any team that announced it was moving up in the last 20 years and you will see inconsistency in performance. For one example, App St went 8-4 and 4-8 their last two years post announcement. I'll give another. KSU went from 11-2 to 3-6 while still eligible. Distractions about the future are probably affecting coaches and players alike. I think people realize this and take it into account. I know I do. Sure they are still good, but absolutely not entirely consistent.

........MASN ANNOUNCERS.....ON SATURDAY...SAID DELAWARE WOOD'VE BEEN UH TOP TEN TEAM......IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE...IN THE POLL.......AH'M JES' SAYIN' SPIDERS DUBBYA WAS WORTH WAY MORE......THAN ONE SPOT UP.....FOR BEATING AN UNDEFEATED.....SO SOUNDLY.....BRAWK!

ps.....6-0 WAS PRETTY CONSISTENT!

[caribbeanhen]

That loss @EWU still looks pretty bad to me - no matter what happens from here on out EWU still lost to Drake the next week on that very same field and EWU is still just 1-5 outside of their win over Monmouth. Monmouth has a 2nd bad loss IMO as well to Lafayette - looks worse now than it did at the time. They're fringe top 25 for me, much like Maine, but I could overlook Maine's loss to Monmouth moreso than overlooking Monmouth's losses to EWU and Lafayette.

PC, have you watched any Monmouth games this year? or seen any hi-lights?

Explosive offense with tons of every coaches best friend… speed

eye test tells me Monmouth > Maine

[MR. CHICKEN]

Hello MR. CHICKEN,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/20/2024 6:00:21

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Richmond Spiders
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Tarleton Texans
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Mercer Bears
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Abilene Christian Wildcats
23: Illinois State Redbirds
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Harvard Crimson

MR. CHICKEN

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Coastal Athletic Association

[POD Knows]

PC, have you watched any Monmouth games this year? or seen any hi-lights?

Explosive offense with tons of every coaches best friend… speed

eye test tells me Monmouth > MaineAgree, and they have a tough stretch coming up, they go 3-2 in the next 5 games they are a playoff team, they go 4-1, OK, they got Towson this weekend, at home, I hate to **** on Monmouth but I am gonna pick them and probably ruin their season but they seem like a better team than Towson, particularly on offense.

[Outsider1]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
7: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
8: Central Arkansas Bears
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Mercer Bears
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Tarleton Texans
17: Idaho Vandals
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Dartmouth Big Green
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Stony Brook Seawolves

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Richmond Spiders
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats

Havent posted my poll for a few weeks because it is tiresome reading comments from folks that don't post their own polls or even vote and then attempt to break balls on those that do.

For the record, my biggest deviations on my poll vs AGS is my ranking of UCA, don't like it, suck my balls, I have watched them play more than once, also Tarleton at 10 in the AGS poll is a joke, I dumped Idaho because I think this is a sinking ship, I just got a feeling that they are not the team they could have been without the injuries, I also think MoState is under valued in this poll, but take that for what it is worth, I got a whopping 13 correct in this weeks pick 'em. I can't wait until Nova loses against so I can dump them totally out of my poll.

I also got Harvard in my poll as a screw you to all the other bottom feeders that fail to show up week to week.

Damn, those first 3 or 4 are tough, I have no idea who is the better team on a neutral site.

LOL..... I don't mind posting my poll. It's not perfect. And BTW, screw your balls, no one cares about them...lol....

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/20/2024 14:44:02

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Mercer Bears
11: Tarleton Texans
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Abilene Christian Wildcats
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
22: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

Outsider1

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota State Bison
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Western Athletic Conference

[Professor Chaos]

PC, have you watched any Monmouth games this year? or seen any hi-lights?

Explosive offense with tons of every coaches best friend… speed

eye test tells me Monmouth > Maine
I have not seen any Monmouth games this year. I blame Flo.

I suspect Maine caught Villanova on a bad day (or else Villanova has no business in the top 25) - maybe Monmouth caught Maine on a bad day??? With their last 5 game stretch Monmouth will get plenty of chances to prove whether their speed and ability to light up the scoreboard translates into top 25 (and playoff) worthiness.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I have not seen any Monmouth games this year. I blame Flo.

I suspect Maine caught Villanova on a bad day (or else Villanova has no business in the top 25) - maybe Monmouth caught Maine on a bad day??? With their last 5 game stretch Monmouth will get plenty of chances to prove whether their speed and ability to light up the scoreboard translates into top 25 (and playoff) worthiness.

............VILLANOVA BEAT YOUNGSTOWN....AS GOOD AS.....SOUTH DAKOTA DID.........JES' SAYIN'.....xwhistlex.....BRAWK!

[OhioHen]

Not sure which surprises me more - that the AGS top 7 exactly matches both STATS and the Coaches' poll or that every team that got a top 25 vote from me made the AGS top 25 (only the second time that's ever happened).

[MSUBobcat]

There's a good argument to be made that SDSU is still higher than NDSU. Going on the road and losing in the last 2 minutes by 4 points? I wouldn't have an issue with someone saying MSU/SDSU/NDSU in that order. I wouldn't put it that way, but I can't confidently say NDSU wins that game on a neutral field or in Brookings.

Absolutely. That's the same argument that was discussed when Montana was ranked above UND after their H2H victory.

[Preferred Walk-On]

There's a good argument to be made that SDSU is still higher than NDSU. Going on the road and losing in the last 2 minutes by 4 points? I wouldn't have an issue with someone saying MSU/SDSU/NDSU in that order. I wouldn't put it that way, but I can't confidently say NDSU wins that game on a neutral field or in Brookings.
I agree (see: https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?367168-AGS-Top-25-How-They-Fared-Week-8-Fall-2024&p=3216360&viewfull=1#post3216360). However, I did find it somewhat telling that there were exactly zero 1st place votes for SDSU (so I imagine that SDSU garnered a not insignificant number of 2nd place votes). I can only say that I can see why NDSU was ranked above, but only by a "hare". :D

[Preferred Walk-On]

There's a good argument to be made that SDSU is still higher than NDSU. Going on the road and losing in the last 2 minutes by 4 points? I wouldn't have an issue with someone saying MSU/SDSU/NDSU in that order. I wouldn't put it that way, but I can't confidently say NDSU wins that game on a neutral field or in Brookings.


............VILLANOVA BEAT YOUNGSTOWN....AS GOOD AS.....SOUTH DAKOTA DID.........JES' SAYIN'.....xwhistlex.....BRAWK!South Dakota beat them by 10...Villanova beat them by 7. xdrunkyx

[Preferred Walk-On]

Villanova at home vs. Youngstown State...South Dakota on road at Youngstown State. Of course, the game of the week will decide just how good South Dakota really is.

[dbackjon]

Because everybody else sucks
Or other teams play real schedules and have losses based on that.

[POD Knows]

Or other teams play real schedules and have losses based on that.
Sure. Yea, something like that or maybe win a few ****ing games and avoid the ups and downs that a lot of flash in the pan teams seem addicted to.

[caribbeanhen]

I have not seen any Monmouth games this year. I blame Flo.

I suspect Maine caught Villanova on a bad day (or else Villanova has no business in the top 25) - maybe Monmouth caught Maine on a bad day??? With their last 5 game stretch Monmouth will get plenty of chances to prove whether their speed and ability to light up the scoreboard translates into top 25 (and playoff) worthiness.

Monmouth at Maine hi light’s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7H-FNRZ_jc

[CopperCat]

Plenty of debate on the 1-2-3 spots, the XDSUs certainly have plenty of reasons to be either 1 or 2.

But putting MSU head to head with SDSU, MSU has 8 D-1 wins with one ranked win and an FBS win. SDSU has 4 D-1 wins with one ranked win. The loss vs NDSU in Fargo carries weight, but it’s still a loss. Idaho has lost a bit of street cred, but that defense getting blown out by the Cats on ESPN2 sends a clear message this MSU team is the real deal.

[mainejeff]

Monmouth at Maine hi light’s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7H-FNRZ_jc

Do you have Monmouth's highlights of their losses vs. 2-5 Eastern Washington or 4-3 Lafayette? Thanks in advance!

[dbackjon]

Sure. Yea, something like that or maybe win a few ****ing games and avoid the ups and downs that a lot of flash in the pan teams seem addicted to.


A lot of teams would be undefeated with Dartmouth's schedule. Don't reward ****ty ****ing schedules.

[Professor Chaos]

Monmouth at Maine hi light’s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7H-FNRZ_jc
Impressive passing offense for sure - I'd guess Mr Derry would give any defense problems on the outside. Fun team to watch... I think they'll have a shot to make some noise down the stretch and into the playoffs. Strong running teams who can play keep away from that offense have/will give them trouble though I think.

[caribbeanhen]

Do you have Monmouth's highlights of their losses vs. 2-5 Eastern Washington or 4-3 Lafayette? Thanks in advance!

Youtube can make all your dreams come true Jeffery

[caribbeanhen]

Impressive passing offense for sure - I'd guess Mr Derry would give any defense problems on the outside. Fun team to watch... I think they'll have a shot to make some noise down the stretch and into the playoffs. Strong running teams who can play keep away from that offense have/will give them trouble though I think.

no argument from me, fun to watch as long as you don't like Defense on both sides of the ball

[MUHAWKS]

Impressive passing offense for sure - I'd guess Mr Derry would give any defense problems on the outside. Fun team to watch... I think they'll have a shot to make some noise down the stretch and into the playoffs. Strong running teams who can play keep away from that offense have/will give them trouble though I think.


Mr Derry missed 2 games including Delaware but is back now..

You are correct about the type of team that can give us trouble- That is the recipe, but as Carib will tell you- it takes A LOT of discipline as a coaching staff to stick to that if we stop you a couple times and then go score. So yes, a NDSU or MSU or someone like that for sure- but I can tell you who IS NOT a strong running team that can play keep away and that is every team we have left on our schedule. I am not saying it will equate to running the table, but the games I have watched I just do not see how UNH, URI, Towson, Stony and maybe even Nova can matchup with our skill guys. I just want a shot at the post season to see how it goes, b/c one thing we have along with a prolific Offense that we have not had is an O line that is actually holding up very well. When you have an Offense that can put up 35-60 pts on "decent" not good but decent teams all you need is a defense that plays C+ football and makes 1-2 KEY stops. The trajectory of our D is heading North. Not there yet, but getting better- We have 5 freshman/sophomores either starting or playing good time, and our new DC is one of your old guys Lew Walker- so it not out of the realm of possibility that as each week goes by Our D gets to a point where it is making that extra 1-2 stops a game. That extra 1-2 stops is the difference right now between being 4-3 and 6-1 and very possibly even 7-0 although the EWU game was actually dreadful by us. My main point is- Out of all these "possible" CAA playoff teams, I think we have the best shot at being the albany from last year b/c we have a real edge and that is our Offense- gives us a chance in most games including some big boys.. But since our D struggled early we now have to earn it and finish 4-1 here.

[MUHAWKS]

Do you have Monmouth's highlights of their losses vs. 2-5 Eastern Washington or 4-3 Lafayette? Thanks in advance!

Haha- EWU was abysmal- there were some Offensive highlights for sure, but just abysmal. Still put up 440 yards and 27 points in the FIRST game for a team with 17 new starters including a brand new O line AND QB who for some reason you did not have as much success with- perhaps b/c of the lack of talent around him- Not trying to be a dik but what else could it be in all honesty? One thing about EWU- People want to ONLY point to their loss to Drake but do not mention that Montana gave up 49 pts to EWU and almost lost. EWU has been competitive in every game sans The FBS game it is not like we were playing MERRIMACK.

Lafayette - plenty of highlights- the best ones being the last 2 minutes in which we went up 35-28 with 1:30 left!!! The Pards scored, went for 2 and we actually stopped them- They recovered the onside kick and scored again. I mean it was gut wrenching and the only thing standing between us being ranked 23rd and being 5-2 and people doubting us and now needing to finish 4-1.

But I have been around long enough to know that sports and life is full of woulda, coulda shoulda- sometimes the ball bounces your way, other times not. And yet other times, a deficiency gets exposed. In our case, against Lafayette it was both. EWU was just pure trash on our part. Delaware was a great game and we had the ball at the end with a chance to win and crapped the bed a bit play calling wise- The right team won that day as they did more than us to win.

Now to my point- If you look at The CAA and we will not count Delaware for obvious reasons- There is VERY little that is consistent. Very few things we can point to and be like "That guy is unstoppable" or "Their defense is impossible to score on" or "That team has the goods".. I mean Even the top few teams nobody is fully sold on- The one thing we (CAA) can hang our hat on is that we (Monmouth) have a prolific offense that may not be "unstoppable" but point totals- 27,35, 51, 45, 63, 35 and 55 - with us easily being able to score 70-80 against Fordham/Bryant. It is the closest thing The CAA has to a sure thing and a weapon that very well could be of similar potency on a national stage- It was good enough against an FBS defense who has not let up more than 38 points in any other game and only 31 to prolific Indiana. It was goo enough against would have been top 7 Delaware at the time and every other team- What has not been good enough is the D, who incidentally, held Maine to 286 yards and 15 points (special teams TD) - The other thing about us is that we are rarely uncompetitive. This is our 3rd year in The CAA and there have only been 3 games where we did not have a chance to win in the 4th quarter-or hold a lead late Delaware in 2022 , FAU (FBS) in 2023 and Albany in 2023 last game where we mailed it in but were also outclassed- Not too many teams can say that, that aren't perennial playoff teams. Is Maine good? I hope so- But again it gets back to this whole "transitive property" BS- we like to use it against teams (look how we lost to EWU and Laffy) but not FOR teams (look HOW we beat Fordham, Bryant, Maine- compared to others that have played them)... Guess it does not matter.. we will see.

[mainejeff]

Haha- EWU was abysmal- there were some Offensive highlights for sure, but just abysmal. Still put up 440 yards and 27 points in the FIRST game for a team with 17 new starters including a brand new O line AND QB who for some reason you did not have as much success with- perhaps b/c of the lack of talent around him- Not trying to be a dik but what else could it be in all honesty? One thing about EWU- People want to ONLY point to their loss to Drake but do not mention that Montana gave up 49 pts to EWU and almost lost. EWU has been competitive in every game sans The FBS game it is not like we were playing MERRIMACK.

Lafayette - plenty of highlights- the best ones being the last 2 minutes in which we went up 35-28 with 1:30 left!!! The Pards scored, went for 2 and we actually stopped them- They recovered the onside kick and scored again. I mean it was gut wrenching and the only thing standing between us being ranked 23rd and being 5-2 and people doubting us and now needing to finish 4-1.

But I have been around long enough to know that sports and life is full of woulda, coulda shoulda- sometimes the ball bounces your way, other times not. And yet other times, a deficiency gets exposed. In our case, against Lafayette it was both. EWU was just pure trash on our part. Delaware was a great game and we had the ball at the end with a chance to win and crapped the bed a bit play calling wise- The right team won that day as they did more than us to win.

Now to my point- If you look at The CAA and we will not count Delaware for obvious reasons- There is VERY little that is consistent. Very few things we can point to and be like "That guy is unstoppable" or "Their defense is impossible to score on" or "That team has the goods".. I mean Even the top few teams nobody is fully sold on- The one thing we (CAA) can hang our hat on is that we (Monmouth) have a prolific offense that may not be "unstoppable" but point totals- 27,35, 51, 45, 63, 35 and 55 - with us easily being able to score 70-80 against Fordham/Bryant. It is the closest thing The CAA has to a sure thing and a weapon that very well could be of similar potency on a national stage- It was good enough against an FBS defense who has not let up more than 38 points in any other game and only 31 to prolific Indiana. It was goo enough against would have been top 7 Delaware at the time and every other team- What has not been good enough is the D, who incidentally, held Maine to 286 yards and 15 points (special teams TD) - The other thing about us is that we are rarely uncompetitive. This is our 3rd year in The CAA and there have only been 3 games where we did not have a chance to win in the 4th quarter-or hold a lead late Delaware in 2022 , FAU (FBS) in 2023 and Albany in 2023 last game where we mailed it in but were also outclassed- Not too many teams can say that, that aren't perennial playoff teams. Is Maine good? I hope so- But again it gets back to this whole "transitive property" BS- we like to use it against teams (look how we lost to EWU and Laffy) but not FOR teams (look HOW we beat Fordham, Bryant, Maine- compared to others that have played them)... Guess it does not matter.. we will see.

Agreed on all counts...Monmouth's offense is prolific for sure. They dominated Maine. As we all know though....teams rise and fall during the course of a season. Maine has improved for sure. Just irritated that a Delaware fan feels the need to parse who is ahead of who in RVs xrolleyesx.....right after Maine walloped a then Top 5 team that Delaware has a trough time beating on an annual basis. I hope Monmouth wins the rest of their games...it would be a great knock down of some of the CAA fans on here who think that they are owed Top 25 status and CAA championships every season.

As far as Maine goes.....they head to URI. I don't expect a win in Kingston as URI is solid this season and has their eye on the top prize as well. Maine needs a win if they want to remain in playoff contention because they will chalk up an L in Norman. The last 3 look winnable though....Bryant, at Elon and UNH.

[MUHAWKS]

Agreed on all counts...Monmouth's offense is prolific for sure. They dominated Maine. As we all know though....teams rise and fall during the course of a season. Maine has improved for sure. Just irritated that a Delaware fan feels the need to parse who is ahead of who in RVs xrolleyesx.....right after Maine walloped a then Top 5 team that Delaware has a trough time beating on an annual basis. I hope Monmouth wins the rest of their games...it would be a great knock down of some of the CAA fans on here who think that they are owed Top 25 status and CAA championships every season.

As far as Maine goes.....they head to URI. I don't expect a win in Kingston as URI is solid this season and has their eye on the top prize as well. Maine needs a win if they want to remain in playoff contention because they will chalk up an L in Norman. The last 3 look winnable though....Bryant, at Elon and UNH.


Geez, Maine Jeff I went from thinking we were gonna spar online to loving you!! LOL on the "Just irritated that a Delaware fan feels the need to parse who is ahead of who in RVs xrolleyesx.....right after Maine walloped a then Top 5 team that Delaware has a trough time beating on an annual basis" If I did not lover caribhen I would pile on with you! I should have also taken a step back myself and not interfered with a HUGE and dominant win for Maine over a top 5 team-- has to feel good. I am torn about this week b/c I want to go to URI with them coming off a win and ranked as high as possible(we have them next week)- HOWEVER, if you win, you validate our win over you and knowing you are not beating The Sooners and a loss essentially elimiates you, unless you think 7-5 has a shot?? I do not think 7-5 has a shot although you did beat Albany when they were ranked and also have Nova- so I guess if some crazy things happen like Colgate wins The PL, some other teams falter and you blow out a couple of the Bryant, Elon, UNH games, there may be a shot- at least keeps you watching the show. But I agree you need to beat URI- if so, then the CAA gets REALLY interesting...BTW- I was surprised how we beat you and was expecting a close game- But that is how The CAA is- some weeks teams are giants and other weeks do not show up-- Seems to have been that way since way before my squad got here..

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. Montana St. (2)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. South Dakota (4)
4. South Dakota St. (1)
5. UC Davis (5)
6. Southeast Missouri St. (6)
7. Incarnate Word (9)
8. Tennessee-Chattanooga (10)
9. Idaho (11)
10. Tarleton St. (12)
11. North Dakota (13)
12. Rhode Island (15)
13. Mercer (7)
14. Abilene Christian (16)
15. Central Arkansas (17)
16. Duquesne (14)
17. Montana (18)
18. Missouri St. (19)
19. Tennessee-Martin (20)
20. East Tennessee St. (22)
21. Richmond (NR)
22. Monmouth (NR)
23. Dartmouth (NR)
24. Villanova (8)
25. Stony Brook (NR)

Dropped - Florida A&M (21), Towson (23), William & Mary (24), Northern Arizona (25)


W - Richmond
L - Villanova

[caribbeanhen]

Agreed on all counts...Monmouth's offense is prolific for sure. They dominated Maine. As we all know though....teams rise and fall during the course of a season. Maine has improved for sure. Just irritated that a Delaware fan feels the need to parse who is ahead of who in RVs xrolleyesx.....right after Maine walloped a then Top 5 team that Delaware has a trough time beating on an annual basis. I hope Monmouth wins the rest of their games...it would be a great knock down of some of the CAA fans on here who think that they are owed Top 25 status and CAA championships every season.

As far as Maine goes.....they head to URI. I don't expect a win in Kingston as URI is solid this season and has their eye on the top prize as well. Maine needs a win if they want to remain in playoff contention because they will chalk up an L in Norman. The last 3 look winnable though....Bryant, at Elon and UNH.

Jeffrey
You’re a very Henvious guy

[coriander_seed]

But putting MSU head to head with SDSU, MSU has 8 D-1 wins with one ranked win and an FBS win. SDSU has 4 D-1 wins with one ranked win.
South Dakota State has one of the top SOS values in the subdivision; Montana State is near middle of the pack in that category.

[POD Knows]

A lot of teams would be undefeated with Dartmouth's schedule. Don't reward ****ty ****ing schedules.
I do use SOS when a make my picks, that is why MSU is behind NDSU and SDSU in my poll. There just isn’t a large breadth of really good teams in the country. These polls are getting harder to do because of that.

Now, I need to go and do my FCS pick ‘em and find the latest flash in the pan I can pick to win and the get that game wrong. 😀 Also, NAU would probably piss pound every team in the Ivy, I used to never rank any Ivy because of how isolated they are with scheduling but the rest of the country has not stepped up in any real matter. This keeps up, hell, I might have to rank Duquesne.

[caribbeanhen]

I do use SOS when a make my picks, that is why MSU is behind NDSU and SDSU in my poll. There just isn’t a large breadth of really good teams in the country. These polls are getting harder to do because of that.

Now, I need to go and do my FCS pick ‘em and find the latest flash in the pan I can pick to win and the get that game wrong.  Also, NAU would probably piss pound every team in the Ivy, I used to never rank any Ivy because of how isolated they are with scheduling but the rest of the country has not stepped up in any real matter. This keeps up, hell, I might have to rank Duquesne.

Southeast Missouri State has a bad SoS and has beat who?
would love to see Harvard get a chance to curb stomp them

[Bisonator]

Southeast Missouri State has a bad SoS and has beat who?
would love to see Harvard get a chance to curb stomp them
Lmfao SEMO would bitch slap Hahaharvard. xlolx

[POD Knows]

Southeast Missouri State has a bad SoS and has beat who?
would love to see Harvard get a chance to curb stomp them
SEMO would pound any and all teams from the IVY.

[mainejeff]

Jeffrey
You’re a very Henvious guy

Go Nova!

[MSUBobcat]

South Dakota State has one of the top SOS values in the subdivision; Montana State is near middle of the pack in that category.

I don't really care about SDSU/MSU at this point; we have the tougher part of the schedule upcoming. However, I do often see on this forum that just having a tough schedule doesn't matter if you don't win the tough games. Playing Oklahoma St and NDSU (both losses) is massively affecting their SOS. Their wins are Massey's #12, a D2, #36, #38 and #51. MSU's wins are FBS, #111, #35, #126, #54, #79, #8, and #57. The average of their 4 FCS wins is 34.25. The average of MSU's 4 best FCS wins is 38.5. SDSU's fifth win is a solid D2, and MSU's is a weak FBS but FBS nonetheless (3-4 record). They have 2 acceptable losses, MSU has 2 wins over Sisters of the Poor. SDSU beat UIW (#8 in the current AGS poll) by 21. MSU beat Idaho (just below UIW in AGS poll) by 31, and that was due to the 2nd string playing most of the 4th quarter when the score was 38-0. The irony of it is, the 2 blowout wins over Mercyhurst and Utah Tech are actually hurting more than helping MSU. College hockey's Pairwise ranking system actually removes the negative effect from beating weak teams.

TLDR; SDSU's SOS shouldn't be a huge factor in which team is ranked where.

[ElCid]

Lmfao SEMO would bitch slap Hahaharvard. xlolx

Massey's transitive path actually has SEMO by 100 over Harvard. Not kidding. Too funny. Now we all know that wouldn't be the case, but I'm pretty sure it would be 2-3 score win depending on location. Interestingly, the H2H matchup by Massey shows less than a score win, home or away, by SEMO.

[caribbeanhen]

Massey's transitive path actually has SEMO by 100 over Harvard. Not kidding. Too funny. Now we all know that wouldn't be the case, but I'm pretty sure it would be 2-3 score win depending on location. Interestingly, the H2H matchup by Massey shows less than a score win, home or away, by SEMO.

I'm not understanding the transitive path 100 % thing, so I used Massey match up feature.... SeMo At Harvard has SeMo winning by a paltry 1 point

https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=587076&oid0=7300&h=-1&s1=587076&oid1=3162

game needs to be scheduled

[POD Knows]

I'm not understanding the transitive path 100 % thing, so I used Massey match up feature.... SeMo At Harvard has SeMo winning by a paltry 1 point

https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=587076&oid0=7300&h=-1&s1=587076&oid1=3162

game needs to be scheduledYea, the Ivy's should really play more OOC games against teams outside of the NE so we can have more games like Mercer and Princeton

[caribbeanhen]

Lmfao SEMO would bitch slap Hahaharvard. xlolx

Simulation Results

SE Missouri St
23
Harvard
18
(1-0-0)


SE Missouri St
24
Harvard
21
(2-0-0)


SE Missouri St
20
Harvard
42
(2-1-0)


SE Missouri St
35
Harvard
31
(3-1-0)


SE Missouri St
24
Harvard
48
(3-2-0)


SE Missouri St
37
Harvard
7
(4-2-0)


SE Missouri St
26
Harvard
16
(5-2-0)

[caribbeanhen]

Yea, the Ivy's should really play more OOC games against teams outside of the NE so we can have more games like Mercer and Princeton

Mercer was clearly the better team, that is why I'm not mentioning Princeton.

Mercer will beat SeMo if they get the chance

[ElCid]

I'm not understanding the transitive path 100 % thing, so I used Massey match up feature.... SeMo At Harvard has SeMo winning by a paltry 1 point

https://masseyratings.com/game.php?s0=587076&oid0=7300&h=-1&s1=587076&oid1=3162

game needs to be scheduled

If you go to SEMO page.

https://masseyratings.com/cf2024/7300

Go to the pull down block that says "more." Go to the "transitive" path. Select it. Type in SEMO and Harvard. Select wins then hit submit. Takes about 10 seconds of cyphering. It will show who SEMO beat, that then beat the next team, that beat the next team, etc, that beat Harvard. I think they were linked by 7 games. The total point advantage for the wind was 102. That's just the total margin of victory for each win added together.

You may have understood all that, but I spelled it out for those who may not have. It's fun to see but totally useless.

[caribbeanhen]

If you go to SEMO page.

https://masseyratings.com/cf2024/7300

Go to the pull down block that says "more." Go to the "transitive" path. Select it. Type in SEMO and Harvard. Select wins then hit submit. Takes about 10 seconds of cyphering. It will show who SEMO beat, that then beat the next team, that beat the next team, etc, that beat Harvard. I think they were linked by 7 games. The total point advantage for the wind was 102. That's just the total margin of victory for each win added together.

You may have understood all that, but I spelled it out for those who may not have. It's fun to see but totally useless.

neat, I had seen the transitive path before but didn't know it could be used like that

I'm going with match up feature where Harvard wins 2 of 7 at home

I need to Se Mo quality wins from Southeast Missouri State

[MSUBobcat]

If you go to SEMO page.

https://masseyratings.com/cf2024/7300

Go to the pull down block that says "more." Go to the "transitive" path. Select it. Type in SEMO and Harvard. Select wins then hit submit. Takes about 10 seconds of cyphering. It will show who SEMO beat, that then beat the next team, that beat the next team, etc, that beat Harvard. I think they were linked by 7 games. The total point advantage for the wind was 102. That's just the total margin of victory for each win added together.

You may have understood all that, but I spelled it out for those who may not have. It's fun to see but totally useless.

Can also use the "My team is better than your team" website (https://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/path;winner=SE%20Missouri%20St;loser=Harvard;sport =CFB;year=2024;method=2). Same results.

[POD Knows]

Mercer was clearly the better team, that is why I'm not mentioning Princeton.

Mercer will beat SeMo if they get the chanceYou can almost flip a coin with any of those Ivy teams at this point in time, none of them are really showing much of anything. I have Harvard and Dartmouth in my poll because the rest of the division is just floundering around. I think Ill State would smack both of these Ivy's but ISU is not consistent and hasn't earned a spot in my poll yet. There have been times when I thought, back in the day, that every team in the MVC would smoke all of the top teams in the PL, Patriot, Ivy, Swac, MEAC, and the Big South, that didn't mean I had every MVFC team in my poll. Sometimes you got to win and beat somebody. I think the Ivy's are actually down this year, I watched some games and at times, it is eye rollingly bad.

[ElCid]

Can also use the "My team is better than your team" website (https://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com/path;winner=SE%20Missouri%20St;loser=Harvard;sport =CFB;year=2024;method=2). Same results.

Cool.

[caribbeanhen]

You can almost flip a coin with any of those Ivy teams at this point in time, none of them are really showing much of anything. I have Harvard and Dartmouth in my poll because the rest of the division is just floundering around. I think Ill State would smack both of these Ivy's but ISU is not consistent and hasn't earned a spot in my poll yet. There have been times when I thought, back in the day, that every team in the MVC would smoke all of the top teams in the PL, Patriot, Ivy, Swac, MEAC, and the Big South, that didn't mean I had every MVFC team in my poll. Sometimes you got to win and beat somebody. I think the Ivy's are actually down this year, I watched some games and at times, it is eye rollingly bad.

definitely agree

brings up the question how bad is FCS when you start getting to #20 and below ?

[ElCid]

You can almost flip a coin with any of those Ivy teams at this point in time, none of them are really showing much of anything. I have Harvard and Dartmouth in my poll because the rest of the division is just floundering around. I think Ill State would smack both of these Ivy's but ISU is not consistent and hasn't earned a spot in my poll yet. There have been times when I thought, back in the day, that every team in the MVC would smoke all of the top teams in the PL, Patriot, Ivy, Swac, MEAC, and the Big South, that didn't mean I had every MVFC team in my poll. Sometimes you got to win and beat somebody. I think the Ivy's are actually down this year, I watched some games and at times, it is eye rollingly bad.

Not to mention those Ivy buttheads screwing up my pick 'ems.

[POD Knows]

Not to mention those Ivy buttheads screwing up my pick 'ems.Preach it, I should go back and check out my pick percentage from these teams in the NE, yea, there is parity up there, they all suck (sorry, still smarting from my awesome showing this past weekend). xrotatehx

[Professor Chaos]

definitely agree

brings up the question how bad is FCS when you start getting to #20 and below ?
Someone posted this on Bisonville (Hammerhead who does, or at least used to, post here occasionally) - it's the Sagarin ratings for the top 25 FCS schools at the beginning of the 2011 playoffs versus now.



2011 FCS round 1 regular season ratings Delta ranking 10/20/2024 Rankings 10/20/2024 Rankings
61 North Dakota State AA 71.13 20 41 South Dakota State AA 75.65
65 Northern Iowa AA 70.78 9 56 North Dakota State AA 74.02
73 Georgia Southern AA 69.05 -3 76 Montana State AA 69.55
75 Sam Houston State AA 68.28 -6 81 South Dakota AA 68.17
83 Montana AA 66.32 -19 102 North Dakota AA 62.26
91 Montana State AA 64.58 -15 106 Montana AA 61.42
99 Wofford AA 62.96 -13 112 Incarnate Word AA 60.00
105 Towson AA 61.84 -8 113 Missouri State AA 60.00
107 Appalachian State AA 61.62 -10 117 UC Davis AA 59.05
110 Illinois State AA 61.09 -8 118 Chattanooga AA 58.72
111 Maine AA 60.85 -12 123 Central Arkansas AA 57.67
112 Cal Poly-SLO AA 60.66 -17 129 Tarleton State AA 56.79
114 Southern Utah AA 60.41 -16 130 Delaware AA 56.62
115 Lehigh AA 60.01 -17 132 Tennessee-Martin AA 56.10
116 New Hampshire AA 59.91 -17 133 Idaho AA 55.65
117 Indiana State AA 59.57 -18 135 Illinois State AA 54.97
119 Central Arkansas AA 59.55 -18 137 Richmond AA 54.60
120 Old Dominion AA 59.50 -19 139 Mercer AA 54.33
121 Youngstown State AA 59.46 -19 140 SE Missouri State AA 54.29
122 Harvard AA 59.06 -19 141 Monmouth-NJ AA 54.23
123 Chattanooga AA 58.96 -19 142 Sacramento State AA 53.78
124 James Madison AA 58.89 -21 145 Villanova AA 53.64
126 Eastern Washington AA 58.41 -21 147 Weber State AA 52.96
127 North Dakota AA 58.00 -21 148 Southern Utah AA 52.90
128 Furman AA 57.96 -21 149 William & Mary AA 52.85


I know Sagarin ratings will make some roll their eyes but it's pretty easy to see the trend here. Furman, at #25 in the FCS in 2011 with an overall rank of 128, would be #12 in the FCS today with that same overall rank (or #11 is you using their 2011 rating number).

[mainejeff]

definitely agree

brings up the question how bad is FCS when you start getting to #20 and below ?

Not as bad as your future Conference USA rival Kennesaw State! xlolxxlolxxlolx

[ElCid]

Someone posted this on Bisonville (Hammerhead who does, or at least used to, post here occasionally) - it's the Sagarin ratings for the top 25 FCS schools at the beginning of the 2011 playoffs versus now.



2011 FCS round 1 regular season ratings Delta ranking 10/20/2024 Rankings 10/20/2024 Rankings
61 North Dakota State AA 71.13 20 41 South Dakota State AA 75.65
65 Northern Iowa AA 70.78 9 56 North Dakota State AA 74.02
73 Georgia Southern AA 69.05 -3 76 Montana State AA 69.55
75 Sam Houston State AA 68.28 -6 81 South Dakota AA 68.17
83 Montana AA 66.32 -19 102 North Dakota AA 62.26
91 Montana State AA 64.58 -15 106 Montana AA 61.42
99 Wofford AA 62.96 -13 112 Incarnate Word AA 60.00
105 Towson AA 61.84 -8 113 Missouri State AA 60.00
107 Appalachian State AA 61.62 -10 117 UC Davis AA 59.05
110 Illinois State AA 61.09 -8 118 Chattanooga AA 58.72
111 Maine AA 60.85 -12 123 Central Arkansas AA 57.67
112 Cal Poly-SLO AA 60.66 -17 129 Tarleton State AA 56.79
114 Southern Utah AA 60.41 -16 130 Delaware AA 56.62
115 Lehigh AA 60.01 -17 132 Tennessee-Martin AA 56.10
116 New Hampshire AA 59.91 -17 133 Idaho AA 55.65
117 Indiana State AA 59.57 -18 135 Illinois State AA 54.97
119 Central Arkansas AA 59.55 -18 137 Richmond AA 54.60
120 Old Dominion AA 59.50 -19 139 Mercer AA 54.33
121 Youngstown State AA 59.46 -19 140 SE Missouri State AA 54.29
122 Harvard AA 59.06 -19 141 Monmouth-NJ AA 54.23
123 Chattanooga AA 58.96 -19 142 Sacramento State AA 53.78
124 James Madison AA 58.89 -21 145 Villanova AA 53.64
126 Eastern Washington AA 58.41 -21 147 Weber State AA 52.96
127 North Dakota AA 58.00 -21 148 Southern Utah AA 52.90
128 Furman AA 57.96 -21 149 William & Mary AA 52.85


I know Sagarin ratings will make some roll their eyes but it's pretty easy to see the trend here. Furman, at #25 in the FCS in 2011 with an overall rank of 128, would be #12 in the FCS today with that same overall rank (or #11 is you using their 2011 rating number).

This is assuming that the ratings from year to year can be compared, let alone 13 years apart. I'm not sure we are necessarily talking about apples to apples. Possibly. Also, there were only 246 schools in Div I football in 2011. Today there are 263.

Just another tid bit, I just looked at Massey and the team with the #25 FCS "rating" today would be a top 5 FCS in 2011. Again, not sure it is completely comparable. As far as overall rank in div I our #25 in 2011 was #139 in div I. Today our #25 is #149 in Div I. That's about the same considering the number of Div I schools added. And there are 14 more FBS schools now. So it might actually be better.

Again, not really sure how the ratings in Sagarin have been adjusted over the years to account for this. It also depends on the game connections between all the schools. Scheduling changes compared to now and then play a part. Like they do every year. How many FBS games did we have then, and how many lower division games. Lots of factors to consider before we make any hasty judgements.

[Professor Chaos]

This is assuming that the ratings from year to year can be compared, let alone 13 years apart. I'm not sure we are necessarily talking about apples to apples. Possibly. Also, there were only 246 schools in Div I football in 2011. Today there are 263.

Just another tid bit, I just looked at Massey and the team with the #25 FCS "rating" today would be a top 5 FCS in 2011. Again, not sure it is completely comparable. As far as overall rank in div I our #25 in 2011 was #139 in div I. Today our #25 is #149 in Div I. That's about the same considering the number of Div I schools added. And there are 14 more FBS schools now. So it might actually be better.

Again, not really sure how the ratings in Sagarin have been adjusted over the years to account for this. It also depends on the game connections between all the schools. Scheduling changes compared to now and then play a part. Like they do every year. How many FBS games did we have then, and how many lower division games. Lots of factors to consider before we make any hasty judgements.
The rating not withstanding Furman was the 128th best D1 team, according to Sagarin, in 2011 which was good for 25th highest FCS team. Right now the 128th best D1 team would be good for 12th highest FCS team. I mean it makes sense considering some of the names on the FCS list in 2011 that aren't in the FCS anymore (Georgia Southern, Sam Houston, App St, Old Dominion, JMU) but it underscores the reason as to why you need to go all the way back to Eastern Washington in 2010 to find the last current FCS team not named NDSU or SDSU to win a title - the top of the FCS seems to be widening the gap from the rest of the FCS with all the FBS defections in the last 10-12 years.

[caribbeanhen]

A lot of teams would be undefeated with Dartmouth's schedule. Don't reward ****ty ****ing schedules.

like how many?

probably about 20 or so which tells me Dartmouth is ranked right where they should be

[dbackjon]

like how many?

probably about 20 or so which tells me Dartmouth is ranked right where they should be

40 or more

[dbackjon]

like how many?

probably about 20 or so which tells me Dartmouth is ranked right where they should be

And what do you think Dartmouth's record would be with NAU's schedule?

One win (Lincoln)? Two wins (Lincoln and UTU)?

[ElCid]

And what do you think Dartmouth's record would be with NAU's schedule?

One win (Lincoln)? Two wins (Lincoln and UTU)?

Well, I'm no Dartmouth fan, but as Massey has them listed with pretty much the same rating as NAU, it would probably be "about" the same. Running H2H simulations with NAU's schedule so far show one less win, Sac St, but it had NAU losing that one even if they actually won. Has them beating Idaho St. in NH. UTU easily. Cal Poly and N Col as well. Sure it's an algorithm but it runs about 75% accurate. I have little doubt that they are still a bit overrated due to Ivy schedule insolation, but they are not horrendous by any means. Not sure they belong in really. But the last 5 are always a shot in the dark.

[caribbeanhen]

And what do you think Dartmouth's record would be with NAU's schedule?

One win (Lincoln)? Two wins (Lincoln and UTU)?

undefeated of course