AGS Poll Results 2024 Week 7

[AGSPoll]

10/14/2024



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1140
39


2
Montana State Bobcats
1105
7


3
North Dakota State Bison
1058



4
South Dakota Coyotes
1011



5
Villanova Wildcats
919



6
UC Davis Aggies
904



7
Mercer Bears
891



8
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
799



9
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
723



10
Incarnate Word Cardinals
690



11
Idaho Vandals
643



12
Tarleton Texans
612



13
Montana Grizzlies
588



14
Central Arkansas Bears
575



15
Chattanooga Mocs
459



16
William & Mary Tribe
435



17
Rhode Island Rams
376



18
Richmond Spiders
330



19
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
262



20
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
246



21
Missouri State Bears
245



22
Abilene Christian Wildcats
236



23
New Hampshire Wildcats
111



24
Towson Tigers
99



25
Illinois State Redbirds
85






















ORV:




26
Dartmouth Big Green
70



27
North Carolina Central Eagles
49



28
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
48



29
Tennessee State Tigers
39



30
Duquesne Dukes
29



31
Harvard Crimson
27



32
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22



33T
Florida A&M Rattlers
19



33T
Stony Brook Seawolves
19



35
Western Carolina Catamounts
17



36
McNeese Cowboys
13



37
Sac State Hornets
11



38
North Alabama Lions
9



39
Monmouth Hawks
8



40T
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
7



40T
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
7










Most Significant Win:
Montana State Bobcats






Most Significant Loss:
Abilene Christian Wildcats

[Chalupa Batman]

Looks like there's a typo at T25, Illinois State is listed twice.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: Mercer Bears
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Tarleton Texans
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Abilene Christian Wildcats
19: Richmond Spiders
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Tennessee State Tigers
25: Dartmouth Big Green

The Most Significant Win: Dartmouth Big Green
The Most Significant Loss: Abilene Christian Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[OrangeAndBlack]

Amazing how AGS has Chattanooga (rightfully so) at #15, while the AFCA poll doesn’t even rank them.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Looks like there's a typo at T25, Illinois State is listed twice.

Yeah, I screwed up a copy and paste. Fixed now.

[Chalupa Batman]

Amazing how AGS has Chattanooga (rightfully so) at #15, while the AFCA poll doesn’t even rank them.

I just went and checked out the coaches poll.....Indiana State received a vote FFS!

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-6/

Really shaking my head about Abilene Christian and Central Arkansas - ACU just beat UCA last week and ACU's extra loss is to Idaho. Maybe you could argue UCA a few spots ahead of them due to ACU's bad loss to UNA but 8 spots as they are in the consensus is too much IMO. Seems like voters had a tough time with the last few teams - Towson's 99 points and Illinois St's 85 points wouldn't have been enough to crack the top 25 in any poll yet this season but were good for #24 and #25 this week. Sacramento St snapped a 42 poll streak of being included in the top 25 this week.

[Professor Chaos]

My poll ballot this week:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Mercer Bears
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Tarleton Texans
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Abilene Christian Wildcats
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Towson Tigers
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Dartmouth Big Green
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Illinois State Redbirds

[Outsider1]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-6/

Really shaking my head about Abilene Christian and Central Arkansas - ACU just beat UCA last week and ACU's extra loss is to Idaho. Maybe you could argue UCA a few spots ahead of them but 8 spots as they are in the consensus is too much IMO. Seems like voters had a tough time with the last few teams - Towson's 99 points and Illinois St's 85 points wouldn't have been enough to crack the top 25 in any poll yet this season but were good for #24 and #25 this week.

I think it's a punishment on ACU more than a reflection on UCA. I bumped us down quite a bit.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-7-top-25-results-6/

Really shaking my head about Abilene Christian and Central Arkansas - ACU just beat UCA last week and ACU's extra loss is to Idaho. Maybe you could argue UCA a few spots ahead of them but 8 spots as they are in the consensus is too much IMO. Seems like voters had a tough time with the last few teams - Towson's 99 points and Illinois St's 85 points wouldn't have been enough to crack the top 25 in any poll yet this season but were good for #24 and #25 this week.

UCA lost a close game, on the road to an admittedly good Abilene Christian team so I am not going to ding the Bears too much. Likewise, they got screwed against Arkansas State so while victory was not assured in Jonesboro (4th down should have occurred) a loss was not justified either. I've had UCA as high as #5 and believe in the back of my mind they have the attributes to make a semifinal run depending on the draw. Since they've been pretty dominant against FCS competition this year, I looked their close call against West Georgia as a bit of a hangover. UCA is on a bye this week before a couple of tough games to conclude the regular season. I think they finish strong, 9-3 or 10-2. @ Tarleton State will be one of the most anticipated games the final of the week of the regular season....

[Outsider1]

UCA lost a close game, on the road to an admittedly good Abilene Christian team so I am not going to ding the Bears too much. Likewise, they got screwed against Arkansas State so while victory was not assured in Jonesboro (4th down should have occurred) a loss was not justified either. I've had UCA as high as #5 and believe in the back of the mind they have the attributes to make a semifinal run depending on the draw. Since they've been pretty dominant against FCS competition this year, I looked their close call against West Georgia as a bit of a hangover. UCA is on a bye this week before a couple of tough games to conclude the regular season. I think they finish strong, 9-3 or 10-2. @ Tarleton State will be one of the most anticipated games the final of the week of the regular season....


The way I looked at it, UCA still took care of business and did what needed to be done, even if it wasn't a decisive W. I don't ding teams for winning too much.

[Chalupa Batman]

For your viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Mercer Bears
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Idaho Vandals
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Tarleton Texans
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Towson Tigers
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Western Carolina Catamounts
23: Abilene Christian Wildcats
24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
25: Harvard Crimson

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Abilene Christian Wildcats

[caribbeanhen]

Towson gonna break y'all's hearts

[FUBeAR]

Towson gonna break y'all's hearts
They do have 3 total wins, but which of these 2 is your more favorite Towson win - 5 points over 3-4 Morgan State or 5 points over 2-6 Norfolk State (that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team)?

[atthewbon]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Mercer Bears
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Tarleton Texans
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: William & Mary Tribe
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Abilene Christian Wildcats
22: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: Towson Tigers


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[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/13/2024 18:46:29

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Mercer Bears
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Abilene Christian Wildcats
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Missouri State Bears
19: Towson Tigers
20: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
21: Tarleton Texans
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Dartmouth Big Green

The Most Significant Win: Missouri State Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Sac State Hornets
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Tennessee FCS football...

Is there anything in particular that has contributed to the rise of the public FCS programs in the Volunteer State? While I know the formal AGS Poll "only" has 3 teams ranked from the state (Chattanooga, ETSU and UT-Martin), I have a 4th with Tennessee State breaking through this week. The Tigers are 29th in the AGS Poll so they are also picking up steam with the consensus.

Perhaps, I am the only one who finds intrigue in this development?.... xrotatehx

[POD Knows]

They do have 3 total wins, but which of these 2 is your more favorite Towson win - 5 points over 3-4 Morgan State or 5 points over 2-6 Norfolk State (that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team)?
Towson does not deserve to be ranked yet, agree with your balls on statement.

[FUBeAR]

Tennessee FCS football...

Is there anything in particular that has contributed to the rise of the public FCS programs in the Volunteer State? While I know the formal AGS Poll "only" has 3 teams ranked from the state (Chattanooga, ETSU and UT-Martin), I have a 4th with Tennessee State breaking through this week. The Tigers are 29th in the AGS Poll so they are also picking up steam with the consensus.

Perhaps, I am the only one who finds intrigue in this development?.... xrotatehx
FUBeAR’s daughter, Little Miss FUBeAR, and son-in-law, Mr. Little Miss FUBeAR, moved to TN about 2 years ago, but FUBeAR shouldn’t receive ALL of the credit. Other factors may have contributed.

[MUHAWKS]

They do have 3 total wins, but which of these 2 is your more favorite Towson win - 5 points over 3-4 Morgan State or 5 points over 2-6 Norfolk State (that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team)?

Maybe Towson does not deserve to be ranked but I will ask again, who are you taking with real $$ on line or gun to head? Towson vs URI , and Towson vs UNH- both ranked teams..I won't speak for anyone in etrms of who they ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN PLAY, but I have watched multiple games of Towson, UNH and URI- If you watch them play, see the talent then look at who each team has played you would realize how polls mean nothing even more so than you already probably do.


Towson-

38-20 loss to FBS Cincy (cincy 1 pt loss to ranked Pitt, beat Miami OH and BEAT UCF WHO BEAT UNH 57-3)
14-9 win Morgan State
14-13 loss to #5 Nova on road (missed 2 FG late)
41-24 loss on road to # 2 NDSU (game was 31-24 with 10 min left)
34-27 win against #12 W&M
28-23 win against Norfolk State

* beat a highly ranked team, lost by 1 on missed FG's to # 5 team very competitive @ # 2 team and even FBS-


UNH IS 4-2 AND got thumped in their FBS game (towson was competitive against the team that beat the team that beat UNH 57-3)
Beat an average to below average Holy Cross team 21-20, smoked stonehill!! Beat Bryant nicely, lost to Harvard and beats a below average Elon team 17-10


URI- Beat said Holy Cross team 20-17, Smoked in their FBS game and shutout. Beats Campbell who is down, Beats 0-6 LIU by 1 score, Hampton in 2 OT and Brown who LOST TO BRYANT but did beat Harvard,,

What has UNH or URI done other than be named "UNH or URI" ?? I know I know "can only play who is on your schedule".. Towson compared to UNH and URI both eye test and actual results, is better than both- Towson has played 3 FCS top 10 ranked teams, beating , losing by 1 to the other, competitive against #2 and somewhat competitive in their FBS game. No dog in the fight, my team plays all 3 and nothing against any of the programs but if we were to rank based on which team is probably better using this, how many people are really taking URI and UNH over Towson?

[MSUBobcat]

Towson does not deserve to be ranked yet, agree with your balls on statement.

I'll preface this by admitting I'm not a voter so take it with a grain of salt... I think Towson has performed as well as any team outside the top 10ish would have done with their schedule, although maybe with less "style points". Their 3 losses are to a pretty decent FBS Cincinnati (2 losses are to #20 Pitt by 1 point and ORV Texas Tech by 3 pts on the road) and to the current AGS #3 and #5 (by 1 point, on the road even). They did much better against the Bison than Ill State (currently #25) and even UND (currently #9). They also have a ranked win over W&M, currently AGS's #16. Meanwhile, Richmond is at #18 having lost to the only FCS team with a pulse that it played, Wofford (no longer even ORV), and 4 wins against patsies. Based on how each has performed, I would guess that Towson would be 4-2, if not 5-1, if they had played Richmond's schedule. I get that we'd like for them to have wider margins of victory, but apply the same logic to a team like Richmond. To emulate FUBeAR, which of these 2 is your more favorite Richmond win - 6 point over Delaware State (1 win over Sacred Heart) or 3 points over NC A&T (1 win over Winston Salem State in OT).

No one seems to be batting an eye that Chatty, with the same 3-3 record, shot up to #15 on the back of a 7pt victory over our current #20 and 2 patsies, just because they won by a wider margin than Towson did over its 2 patsies (beat their higher ranked opponent by the same 7 points).

All that said, Towson probably goes out and lays an egg against Stony Brook this weekend xlolx

[ngineer]

Warmed the cockles of my heart to see Lehigh get 7 in the "ORV" category...Not from me, especially after not playing any games the past two weeks, but it is nice to think that we are turning the corner and making progress to where, I hope, we start becoming part of the conversation in the not too distant future!

[MUHAWKS]

Warmed the cockles of my heart to see Lehigh get 7 in the "ORV" category...Not from me, especially after not playing any games the past two weeks, but it is nice to think that we are turning the corner and making progress to where, I hope, we start becoming part of the conversation in the not too distant future!

Why does Lehigh have 2 bye weeks, and both in a row? What happened? OOC back out?

[ngineer]

Why does Lehigh have 2 bye weeks, and both in a row? What happened? OOC back out?

No. Army, with their new league arrangement, asked Lehigh to move our game with them to their home opener on August 30. So that created two vacant Saturdays back to back. Unusual, but considering our 'youth movement' and rebuilding, Coach felt a break like that halfway through the season could have its advantages to healing up and correcting some issues that inexperienced college players tend to make. Almost like having a 'mini-camp' to focus on basics,etc. We'll see how that works out at Yale this weekend.

[FUBeAR]

Maybe Towson does not deserve to be ranked but I will ask again, who are you taking with real $$ on line or gun to head? Towson vs URI , and Towson vs UNH- both ranked teams..I won't speak for anyone in etrms of who they ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN PLAY, but I have watched multiple games of Towson, UNH and URI- If you watch them play, see the talent then look at who each team has played you would realize how polls mean nothing even more so than you already probably do.


Towson-

38-20 loss to FBS Cincy (cincy 1 pt loss to ranked Pitt, beat Miami OH and BEAT UCF WHO BEAT UNH 57-3)
14-9 win Morgan State
14-13 loss to #5 Nova on road (missed 2 FG late)
41-24 loss on road to # 2 NDSU (game was 31-24 with 10 min left)
34-27 win against #12 W&M
28-23 win against Norfolk State

* beat a highly ranked team, lost by 1 on missed FG's to # 5 team very competitive @ # 2 team and even FBS-


UNH IS 4-2 AND got thumped in their FBS game (towson was competitive against the team that beat the team that beat UNH 57-3)
Beat an average to below average Holy Cross team 21-20, smoked stonehill!! Beat Bryant nicely, lost to Harvard and beats a below average Elon team 17-10


URI- Beat said Holy Cross team 20-17, Smoked in their FBS game and shutout. Beats Campbell who is down, Beats 0-6 LIU by 1 score, Hampton in 2 OT and Brown who LOST TO BRYANT but did beat Harvard,,

What has UNH or URI done other than be named "UNH or URI" ?? I know I know "can only play who is on your schedule".. Towson compared to UNH and URI both eye test and actual results, is better than both- Towson has played 3 FCS top 10 ranked teams, beating , losing by 1 to the other, competitive against #2 and somewhat competitive in their FBS game. No dog in the fight, my team plays all 3 and nothing against any of the programs but if we were to rank based on which team is probably better using this, how many people are really taking URI and UNH over Towson?
Agree 100% - Towson, URI, UNH, and Villanova should not be ranked.

[POD Knows]

I'll preface this by admitting I'm not a voter so take it with a grain of salt... I think Towson has performed as well as any team outside the top 10ish would have done with their schedule, although maybe with less "style points". Their 3 losses are to a pretty decent FBS Cincinnati (2 losses are to #20 Pitt by 1 point and ORV Texas Tech by 3 pts on the road) and to the current AGS #3 and #5 (by 1 point, on the road even). They did much better against the Bison than Ill State (currently #25) and even UND (currently #9). They also have a ranked win over W&M, currently AGS's #16. Meanwhile, Richmond is at #18 having lost to the only FCS team with a pulse that it played, Wofford (no longer even ORV), and 4 wins against patsies. Based on how each has performed, I would guess that Towson would be 4-2, if not 5-1, if they had played Richmond's schedule. I get that we'd like for them to have wider margins of victory, but apply the same logic to a team like Richmond. To emulate FUBeAR, which of these 2 is your more favorite Richmond win - 6 point over Delaware State (1 win over Sacred Heart) or 3 points over NC A&T (1 win over Winston Salem State in OT).

No one seems to be batting an eye that Chatty, with the same 3-3 record, shot up to #15 on the back of a 7pt victory over our current #20 and 2 patsies, just because they won by a wider margin than Towson did over its 2 patsies (beat their higher ranked opponent by the same 7 points).

All that said, Towson probably goes out and lays an egg against Stony Brook this weekend xlolx
Good points and if I looked at my 17-25 and tried to contemplate whether or not any of those teams would beat Towson, it is hard to say, I am guessing that in a week or two if Towson wins a couple more they will be in my poll. Hell, I have two Ivy's in my poll and I think both of those teams are very average, I called one dog**** this past weekend because they were screwing my picks up. I just think that at this point in time, their records deserve the ranking, albeit probably temporary.

[ElCid]

Good points and if I looked at my 17-25 and tried to contemplate whether or not any of those teams would beat Towson, it is hard to say, I am guessing that in a week or two if Towson wins a couple more they will be in my poll. Hell, I have two Ivy's in my poll and I think both of those teams are very average, I called one dog**** this past weekend because they were screwing my picks up. I just think that at this point in time, their records deserve the ranking, albeit probably temporary.

The problem with the bottom quarter of the poll is finding "consistent" teams. There are lots of good teams for one week or two. And then they lay eggs. I've been trying to find consistent teams to fill up to 25 and it's hard.

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Mercer Bears
8: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Tarleton Texans
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: William & Mary Tribe
19: Abilene Christian Wildcats
20: Missouri State Bears
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Towson Tigers
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Illinois State Redbirds


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[KPSUL]

I'll preface this by admitting I'm not a voter so take it with a grain of salt... I think Towson has performed as well as any team outside the top 10ish would have done with their schedule, although maybe with less "style points". Their 3 losses are to a pretty decent FBS Cincinnati (2 losses are to #20 Pitt by 1 point and ORV Texas Tech by 3 pts on the road) and to the current AGS #3 and #5 (by 1 point, on the road even). They did much better against the Bison than Ill State (currently #25) and even UND (currently #9). They also have a ranked win over W&M, currently AGS's #16. Meanwhile, Richmond is at #18 having lost to the only FCS team with a pulse that it played, Wofford (no longer even ORV), and 4 wins against patsies. Based on how each has performed, I would guess that Towson would be 4-2, if not 5-1, if they had played Richmond's schedule. I get that we'd like for them to have wider margins of victory, but apply the same logic to a team like Richmond. To emulate FUBeAR, which of these 2 is your more favorite Richmond win - 6 point over Delaware State (1 win over Sacred Heart) or 3 points over NC A&T (1 win over Winston Salem State in OT).

No one seems to be batting an eye that Chatty, with the same 3-3 record, shot up to #15 on the back of a 7pt victory over our current #20 and 2 patsies, just because they won by a wider margin than Towson did over its 2 patsies (beat their higher ranked opponent by the same 7 points).

All that said, Towson probably goes out and lays an egg against Stony Brook this weekend xlolx

Exactly why some voters think they should wait another game before ranking 3-3 Towson. Losing as soon as they are on the cusp of being a ranked team has been a recent habit for Towson.
I'm also skeptical of ranking a team based on several "good" or "better" losses. The primary goal should be to win games, not looking "not to bad" while losing.

[KPSUL]

Agree 100% - Towson, URI, UNH, and Villanova should not be ranked.

Here, here! None of these Northern CAA pretenders should EVER be ranked!

[NY Crusader 2010]

Towson does not deserve to be ranked yet, agree with your balls on statement.

I disagree but that's because I tend to value close losses against good teams more than I de-value close wins against bad teams. Plus, they have a VERY SOLID win over a W&M team that I think could end up being a Top 10 team. when it's all said and done.

[KPSUL]

Maybe Towson does not deserve to be ranked but I will ask again, who are you taking with real $$ on line or gun to head? Towson vs URI , and Towson vs UNH- both ranked teams..I won't speak for anyone in etrms of who they ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN PLAY, but I have watched multiple games of Towson, UNH and URI- If you watch them play, see the talent then look at who each team has played you would realize how polls mean nothing even more so than you already probably do.


Towson-

38-20 loss to FBS Cincy (cincy 1 pt loss to ranked Pitt, beat Miami OH and BEAT UCF WHO BEAT UNH 57-3)
14-9 win Morgan State
14-13 loss to #5 Nova on road (missed 2 FG late)
41-24 loss on road to # 2 NDSU (game was 31-24 with 10 min left)
34-27 win against #12 W&M
28-23 win against Norfolk State

* beat a highly ranked team, lost by 1 on missed FG's to # 5 team very competitive @ # 2 team and even FBS-


UNH IS 4-2 AND got thumped in their FBS game (towson was competitive against the team that beat the team that beat UNH 57-3)
Beat an average to below average Holy Cross team 21-20, smoked stonehill!! Beat Bryant nicely, lost to Harvard and beats a below average Elon team 17-10


URI- Beat said Holy Cross team 20-17, Smoked in their FBS game and shutout. Beats Campbell who is down, Beats 0-6 LIU by 1 score, Hampton in 2 OT and Brown who LOST TO BRYANT but did beat Harvard,,

What has UNH or URI done other than be named "UNH or URI" ?? I know I know "can only play who is on your schedule".. Towson compared to UNH and URI both eye test and actual results, is better than both- Towson has played 3 FCS top 10 ranked teams, beating , losing by 1 to the other, competitive against #2 and somewhat competitive in their FBS game. No dog in the fight, my team plays all 3 and nothing against any of the programs but if we were to rank based on which team is probably better using this, how many people are really taking URI and UNH over Towson?

URI? They had very good teams 30+ years for most of one decade. They have fielded very competitive teams for the past 6 year, but were you aware they have not made the playoffs even once in that 6 year period? For about 20 years prior, the whole FCS era, they were generally the doormat of the CAA. So I don't think the mere sound of URI inspires anyone to vote for them. The fact that they are 5-1 does.
UNH may get a little name recognition bump from some voters, but I'd be willing to wager that there are other voters who like to "bump" them in the other direction. Anyway, don't waste any
time perseverating about UNH and URI being ranked. After Saturday, only one will be, and whichever team that is will deserve it, at least for a week or two. Also we are just getting into the CAA conference schedule and the majority of the games played so far have been mismatches. The next 3 or 4 weekends will identify the contenders from the pretenders. So sit back and enjoy the show rather than trying to re-evaluate rankings based on too little data this early in the season. But by all means, if you didn't rank UNH this week, don't think you need to rationalize it. Your opinion is as least as valid as the opinion of those voters who did rank them - that's why they sit near the bottom of the Top 25.

[FUBeAR]

Here, here! None of these Northern CAA pretenders should EVER be ranked!
Too harsh. Towson is below the Mason-Dixon Line. The Tigers should, at least, be eligible for ranking consideration.

[Professor Chaos]

I see Towson and Chattanooga as pretty similar 3-3 teams right now. Respectable losses, one good win each (Chatty over ETSU and Towson over W&M). I can see dinging Towson a little for not beating Morgan St and Norfolk St by more but if Chattanooga deserves to be #15 in the consensus Towson certainly deserves to be in the top 25 IMO.

[FUBeAR]

I disagree but that's because I tend to value close losses against good teams more than I de-value close wins against bad teams. Plus, they have a VERY SOLID win over a W&M team that I think could end up being a Top 10 team. when it's all said and done.
You are aware that W&M’s best win is a (fortunate) 1-score win over Wofford, who would be winless in the SoCon if they hadn’t (fortunately) drawn winless-overall-VMI (Massey #114), another of W&M’s ‘big’ conquests, last week…right?

[FUBeAR]

I see Towson and Chattanooga as pretty similar 3-3 teams right now. Respectable losses, one good win each (Chatty over ETSU and Towson over W&M). I can see dinging Towson a little for not beating Morgan St and Norfolk St by more but if Chattanooga deserves to be #15 in the consensus Towson certainly deserves to be in the top 25 IMO.
Welp…since Chattanooga actually deserves to be in the Top 10, do you move Towson into the Top 20?

[FU_Paladin08]

I actually see more similarities in Towson and ETSU. Both have a close loss to a top 5 team, then a few mediocre wins. Anyone doubting Towson better not have ETSU in their top 25. At least Towson has a ranked win on their resume.

[FUBeAR]

I actually see more similarities in Towson and ETSU. Both have a close loss to a top 5 team, then a few mediocre wins. Anyone doubting Towson better not have ETSU in their top 25. At least Towson has a ranked win on their resume.
Not a “ranked win,” but it did require the use of emergency resuscitation paddles at the livestock morgue to keep ETSU from defeating AGS #3. That shouldn’t be completely memory-holed.

[MSUBobcat]

Not a “ranked win,” but it did require the use of emergency resuscitation paddles at the livestock morgue to keep ETSU from defeating AGS #3. That shouldn’t be completely memory-holed.

Not a "ranked win", but it did necessitate keeping the emergency resuscitation paddles close by at the Fish and Game lab in case Towson scored any points in the last 11.5 minutes to take the lead over AGS #5. That also shouldn't be memory-holed.

[MUHAWKS]

URI? They had very good teams 30+ years for most of one decade. They have fielded very competitive teams for the past 6 year, but were you aware they have not made the playoffs even once in that 6 year period? For about 20 years prior, the whole FCS era, they were generally the doormat of the CAA. So I don't think the mere sound of URI inspires anyone to vote for them. The fact that they are 5-1 does.
UNH may get a little name recognition bump from some voters, but I'd be willing to wager that there are other voters who like to "bump" them in the other direction. Anyway, don't waste any
time perseverating about UNH and URI being ranked. After Saturday, only one will be, and whichever team that is will deserve it, at least for a week or two. Also we are just getting into the CAA conference schedule and the majority of the games played so far have been mismatches. The next 3 or 4 weekends will identify the contenders from the pretenders. So sit back and enjoy the show rather than trying to re-evaluate rankings based on too little data this early in the season. But by all means, if you didn't rank UNH this week, don't think you need to rationalize it. Your opinion is as least as valid as the opinion of those voters who did rank them - that's why they sit near the bottom of the Top 25.

You know I like you, so not giving you a hard time. but in the case this year of URI or UNH- give the EXACT same resume to Stony Brook, Monmouth, Towson, Duquesne (you get my drift) and you honestly think those teams would be ranked? Really? Holy Cross is not good at all yet I still think for some reason people think they are so a win against them gets credit from people but its like beating Bucknell or St Francis- maybe not even as good as beating St Francis. Stonehill? Bryant? LIU? Hampton? Even Campbell or Elon is blah. But again my question to you is if we (Monmouth) or any of the other teams I mentioned had the exact same schedule and record do you think they would be ranked? I really highly doubt it. I mean Duquesne sort of does have that resume. 4-2, 2 bad FBS losses (just like UNH and URI) Beat a cupcake badly, beat LIU easier than URI did, demolished St Francis who has an FBS win and is no worse than Holy Cross type teams- and Duquense also has a top 25 win against Youngstown. Yet they are 7 spots below UNH and 13 spots below URI and the sole reason is name recognition of 1 and "Caa" and not the other "NEC". Listen I do not care THaT much b/c as you say it should end up working out as the season goes along and CAA teams play each other, but to not admit (you sort of admitted it i a way ) that teams get name value benefits while others have to work harder for a ranking, is IMO not being realistic. And you know that if Monmouth beats Bryant and goes to 4-3 with a much harder overall schedule to date and some blowout wins/ FBS win and close losses to ranked we will still be behind both of you even the loser and probably still will be for a while if both keep winning- so hard to make up ground for those types and yes I think its based on name recognition. Its like The Cowbosy in the NFL- They actually suck, but "hey its Dallas"...

[MUHAWKS]

Not a "ranked win", but it did necessitate keeping the emergency resuscitation paddles close by at the Fish and Game lab in case Towson scored any points in the last 11.5 minutes to take the lead over AGS #5. That also shouldn't be memory-holed.

Towson missed 2 FG in the last 2 minutes against Nova FYI- a 48 ad 37 yarder.

[MSUBobcat]

Exactly why some voters think they should wait another game before ranking 3-3 Towson. Losing as soon as they are on the cusp of being a ranked team has been a recent habit for Towson.
I'm also skeptical of ranking a team based on several "good" or "better" losses. The primary goal should be to win games, not looking "not to bad" while losing.

Of course it is. How many FCS teams would have more wins against Towson's schedule than they do though? If the criteria to be ranked is to "win games" against that schedule, we'd only have a top 4. Perhaps a few higher if you're of the mind that Nova is overrated.

Or, if the primary goal is to win games, where are you ranking Butler with its shiny 5-1 record, 3 games against lower division be damned.

Obviously there is some subjectivity and nuance to this, no?

[caribbeanhen]

They do have 3 total wins, but which of these 2 is your more favorite Towson win - 5 points over 3-4 Morgan State or 5 points over 2-6 Norfolk State (that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team)?

Definitely Norfolk State

[caribbeanhen]

Too harsh. Towson is below the Mason-Dixon Line. The Tigers should, at least, be eligible for ranking consideration.

nope

not below the entire MD line

[FUBeAR]

Definitely Norfolk State
Yep - FUBeAR’s also - it’s always a special thrill to have to come from behind in the 4th quarter to beat a 2-6 Team that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team, as our mighty Tigers had to do to pull that one from their striped hindquarters.

[caribbeanhen]

Yep - FUBeAR’s also - it’s always a special thrill to have to come from behind in the 4th quarter to beat a 2-6 Team that has a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team, as our mighty Tigers had to do to pull that one from their striped hindquarters.

nah, not that

Towson was my elimination game pick and if they’re really any good, they should have curb stomping Norfolk St … instead they made me sweat it out

[FUBeAR]

nope

not below the entire MD line
Google AI says CHen doesn’t map…

Yes, Towson, Maryland is below the Mason-Dixon Line:


Location
The Mason-Dixon Line runs along the northern and eastern borders of Maryland.
History
The Mason-Dixon Line was surveyed by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the 1760s to settle a boundary dispute between Maryland and Pennsylvania. The line was marked with stones that had the crest of each colony on them.
Significance
The Mason-Dixon Line was a symbol of the division between the North and the South during the Civil War. The Missouri Compromise of 1820 banned slavery north of the line, and the line was used to determine which territories were slave states.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Montana St. (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. South Dakota (4)
5. UC Davis (5)
6. Southeast Missouri St. (6)
7. Mercer (8)
8. Villanova (9)
9. Incarnate Word (12)
10. Tennessee-Chattanooga (13)
11. Idaho (7)
12. Tarleton St. (14)
13. North Dakota (15)
14. Duquesne (21)
15. Rhode Island (16)
16. Abilene Christian (10)
17. Central Arkansas (11)
18. Montana (NR)
19. Missouri St. (19)
20. Tennessee-Martin (20)
21. Florida A&M (22)
22. East Tennessee St. (23)
23. Towson (25)
24. William & Mary (NR)
25. Northern Arizona (17)

Dropped - Sacramento St. (18), Nicholls St. (24)


W - Montana St.
L - Sacramento St.

[MUHAWKS]

nah, not that

Towson was my elimination game pick and if they’re really any good, they should have curb stomping Norfolk St … instead they made me sweat it out

Either these relative comparisons matter or they dont my friend. On one hand people are saying "wins are wins, thats the job to win" and ignoring the fact that Holy Cross may not even be an average team but its ok to beat them on final drive or my 1 pt.. You know I love to use Monmouth mostly b/c I can speak about it more sos than any teams, but Lafayette beat us, then needed all they had to beat Fordham who we embarrassed like they were a HS team. We also did the same to Maine who played you guys much closer than we did but relative and absolute, yet we lost to you.. single game small wins over teams you "should" beat by 30 and close losses to good teams either matter or they don't. If they don't then you clearly agree UNH/URI totally unproven and are only ranked b/c name value. Towson not beating a team by 30 does not mean they are not good as you know this. Just as URI or UNH actually MAY be good, but def not based on their resume thus far.

[caribbeanhen]

Google AI says CHen doesn’t map…

Yes, Towson, Maryland is below the Mason-Dixon Line:


Location
The Mason-Dixon Line runs along the northern and eastern borders of Maryland.
History
The Mason-Dixon Line was surveyed by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the 1760s to settle a boundary dispute between Maryland and Pennsylvania. The line was marked with stones that had the crest of each colony on them.
Significance
The Mason-Dixon Line was a symbol of the division between the North and the South during the Civil War. The Missouri Compromise of 1820 banned slavery north of the line, and the line was used to determine which territories were slave states.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Transpen-line.gif/300px-Transpen-line.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transpen-line.gif)The Transpeninsular Line meets the Mason Dixon line at the SW corner of Delaware and is marked by a stone. If you're at that stone and want to get to Towson, you have to go north eventually

now back to your regular scheduled programming

[FUBeAR]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Transpen-line.gif/300px-Transpen-line.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transpen-line.gif)The Transpeninsular Line meets the Mason Dixon line at the SW corner of Delaware and is marked by a stone. If you're at that stone and want to get to Towson, you have to go north eventually

now back to your regular scheduled programming


LOL - Direction of travel required from Point A to arrive at Point B does not, magically, remove Point B from being contained within its legally-determined boundaries and place it, magically, outside of those boundaries. That’s just silly talk.

It’s almost as silly as ranking a 3 win .500 Towson Team, with 2 of those 3 wins being narrow 5-point nail-biters, and in 1 case, come-from-behind-in-the-4th-quarter, over bottom-tier sub .500 MEAC Teams that are 3-4 and 2-6 (with a loss to a 3-3 D2 Team).

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8772025088/h0D55652D/funny-gif-of-a-chicken-on-the-steering-wheel-of-a-car-that-is-driving

[MSUBobcat]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Transpen-line.gif/300px-Transpen-line.gif (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transpen-line.gif)The Transpeninsular Line meets the Mason Dixon line at the SW corner of Delaware and is marked by a stone. If you're at that stone and want to get to Towson, you have to go north eventually

now back to your regular scheduled programming



Towson... north of the Transpeninsular Line, south of the Mason-Dixon line (also west of the Mason-Dixon Line). Now that that is settled.....

[FUBeAR]

Towson... north of the Transpeninsular Line, south of the Mason-Dixon line (also west of the Mason-Dixon Line). Now that that is settled.....

…and “south” is commonly referred to, directionally, as “below.”


Too harsh. Towson is below the Mason-Dixon Line. The Tigers should, at least, be eligible for ranking consideration.

NOW…it’s settled.

[caribbeanhen]

Towson... north of the Transpeninsular Line, south of the Mason-Dixon line (also west of the Mason-Dixon Line). Now that that is settled.....

The southern point of the green line running north and south on the Maryland Delaware border is part of the Mason Dixon line, therefore Towson is north of that southern most point marked by a stone

True or False

[FUBeAR]

The southern point of the green line running north and south on the Maryland Delaware bother is part of the Mason Dixon line, therefore Towson is north of that southern most point

True or False
Tell us you’re a flat-earther without telling us you’re a flat-earther…

[MSUBobcat]

The southern point of the green line running north and south on the Maryland Delaware bother is part of the Mason Dixon line, therefore Towson is north of that southern most point

True or False

xlolx Typically when a border runs north-south, one is either west or east of said border. Using your semantics, Towson is simultaneously north of the Mason-Dixon line and south of the Mason-Dixon line AND at the same time neither north nor south of the line.

[FUBeAR]

xlolx Typically when a border runs north-south, one is either west or east of said border. Using your semantics, Towson is simultaneously north of the Mason-Dixon line and south of the Mason-Dixon line AND at the same time neither north nor south of the line.
Ahhh…so, your contention is that The Mason Dixon Line is Schrödinger's cat. Interesting.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cac90a4e5f7d1409ead718b/1555017037716-NR5M8YD3EIMO2HVCFSAL/qm.jpg

[FU_Paladin08]

My poll proudly over ranking Towson

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Mercer Bears
7: Tarleton Texans
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Rhode Island Rams
15: Idaho Vandals
16: Incarnate Word Cardinals
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: McNeese Cowboys
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Towson Tigers
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Chattanooga Mocs


The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Abilene Christian Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southern Conference

[MUHAWKS]

My poll proudly over ranking Towson

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: South Dakota Coyotes
6: Mercer Bears
7: Tarleton Texans
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Rhode Island Rams
15: Idaho Vandals
16: Incarnate Word Cardinals
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Tennessee State Tigers
19: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
20: McNeese Cowboys
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Illinois State Redbirds
23: Towson Tigers
24: Abilene Christian Wildcats
25: Chattanooga Mocs


The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Abilene Christian Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southern Conference



THIS GUY GETS IT!! (AS EVIDENCED AS WELL BY HIS 21)!!

[ElCid]

Towson is just outside my poll. Call it a combination of, I'm having slight doubts about Nova, negating the close loss over a real good team reasoning. And at the same time, increasing doubts about W&M negating a close win reasoning. They may both be ranked, but me thinks possibly over ranked. Novas schedule hasn't been exactly challenging. All while Towson's ridiculously close wins over Morgan and Norfolk may be closer to reality as well. Not enough data yet.

All that said, I'm still on board with both Nova and W&M in their AGS poll positions, until they prove my doubts were actually true. I'll give Towson continued looks though.

[caribbeanhen]

Either these relative comparisons matter or they dont my friend. On one hand people are saying "wins are wins, thats the job to win" and ignoring the fact that Holy Cross may not even be an average team but its ok to beat them on final drive or my 1 pt.. You know I love to use Monmouth mostly b/c I can speak about it more sos than any teams, but Lafayette beat us, then needed all they had to beat Fordham who we embarrassed like they were a HS team. We also did the same to Maine who played you guys much closer than we did but relative and absolute, yet we lost to you.. single game small wins over teams you "should" beat by 30 and close losses to good teams either matter or they don't. If they don't then you clearly agree UNH/URI totally unproven and are only ranked b/c name value. Towson not beating a team by 30 does not mean they are not good as you know this. Just as URI or UNH actually MAY be good, but def not based on their resume thus far.

just because you are dressed doesn't mean you are dressed if you know what I mean

seem to remember a comment I made last year as undefeated Delaware was going into Towson and I said .... now we are going to learn a thing about the Blue Hens as Towson had been looking pretty good in my eyes. You disagreed and said Towson was not that good. Delaware pummeled Towson and you took a victory lap..

what does all this mean?

Towson will be driving down that Boulevard of Broken Dreams soon enough, they just are way to inconsistent to be taken seriously

[Catbooster]

My poll for this week:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: South Dakota Coyotes
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Mercer Bears
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
10: Idaho Vandals
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Tarleton Texans
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Abilene Christian Wildcats
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: William & Mary Tribe
18: Missouri State Bears
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: Towson Tigers
23: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Monmouth Hawks

[McCowboys]

THIS GUY GETS IT!! (AS EVIDENCED AS WELL BY HIS 21)!!

Yeah, but did you see his #20???

[caribbeanhen]

Ahhh…so, your contention is that The Mason Dixon Line is Schrödinger's cat. Interesting.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cac90a4e5f7d1409ead718b/1555017037716-NR5M8YD3EIMO2HVCFSAL/qm.jpg

Nope, he’s saying that Quantum Hen of the Caribbean is right, but only in the universe, but I have been known to write in the Multiverse person like yourself

Dartmouths win over Penn was huge

[MUHAWKS]

just because you are dressed doesn't mean you are dressed if you know what I mean

seem to remember a comment I made last year as undefeated Delaware was going into Towson and I said .... now we are going to learn a thing about the Blue Hens as Towson had been looking pretty good in my eyes. You disagreed and said Towson was not that good. Delaware pummeled Towson and you took a victory lap..

what does all this mean?

Towson will be driving down that Boulevard of Broken Dreams soon enough, they just are way to inconsistent to be taken seriously

I remember it well- It was all part of the typical Delaware and blue blood CAA bs- After MU routes Towson a few weeks earlier ( score only was a closer game) that became discredited as "Towson is now a different team"

Not for nothing but ANYONE can analyze after the fact. You def put your opinions out there, but who cares about analyzing stuff after it happens. The fun of it is seeing value. SO FAR Towson is inconsistent. SO FAR URI can beat average teams and command a 16 ranking. SO FAR Nova is top 5.. It is about "reading the right side of the chart" LOL- or at least trying. Could Towson be The Campbell of a couple years ago where the talent was absurd, they looked great at times and just at the ed of the day was average? Sure- I fact the probably will be- but schedules matter. I just dont see how you can say that about Towson with the schedule so far yet not be all over URI being 16 after beating the teams they have NOT in great fashion. Next you are gonna tell me "hey dont knock the double OT win aaginst hampton they have talent" or "LIU is better than their 0-6 record. Or " Well hey its Holy Cross".. Lets do UNH now- Holy Cross! The team that squeaked by Fordham! Mighty Stonehill! Bryant! Elon! two unproven teams with way easier schedules. We will find out but Towson has Campbell, NC A&T, Hampton, Richmond, SB and us left.. I think they win 4 or 5 of those and finish 7-5 or 8-4. I think it is the hardest game we have left including Villanova.

[caribbeanhen]

I remember it well- It was all part of the typical Delaware and blue blood CAA bs- After MU routes Towson a few weeks earlier ( score only was a closer game) that became discredited as "Towson is now a different team"

Not for nothing but ANYONE can analyze after the fact. You def put your opinions out there, but who cares about analyzing stuff after it happens. The fun of it is seeing value. SO FAR Towson is inconsistent. SO FAR URI can beat average teams and command a 16 ranking. SO FAR Nova is top 5.. It is about "reading the right side of the chart" LOL- or at least trying. Could Towson be The Campbell of a couple years ago where the talent was absurd, they looked great at times and just at the ed of the day was average? Sure- I fact the probably will be- but schedules matter. I just dont see how you can say that about Towson with the schedule so far yet not be all over URI being 16 after beating the teams they have NOT in great fashion. Next you are gonna tell me "hey dont knock the double OT win aaginst hampton they have talent" or "LIU is better than their 0-6 record. Or " Well hey its Holy Cross".. Let’s do UNH now- Holy Cross! The team that squeaked by Fordham! Mighty Stonehill! Bryant! Elon! two unproven teams with way easier schedules. We will find out but Towson has Campbell, NC A&T, Hampton, Richmond, SB and us left.. I think they win 4 or 5 of those and finish 7-5 or 8-4. I think it is the hardest game we have left including Villanova.

Why not just post your poll ?

Don’t tell me you don’t vote

c

[MUHAWKS]

Why not just post your poll ?

Don’t tell me you don’t vote

c


If I told you that I would be telling the truth.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Why not just post your poll ?

Don’t tell me you don’t vote

c

Voting every week is a major time commitment, especially for those of us in the age group where we have young families, kids under 5, babies to take care of etc. I get the vibe that MUHAWKS is a younger Monmouth alum and might be in the same boat as I.

This is why I only do the year-end poll. I just don't have the time to analyze the results for 40+ teams and spend 2 hours a week on a poll. Interestingly enough, last year was the one year I forgot to submit my poll by the Monday morning after the natty and it quite literally cost Holy Cross 25th place in AGS.

[MUHAWKS]

Voting every week is a major time commitment, especially for those of us in the age group where we have young families, kids under 5, babies to take care of etc. I get the vibe that MUHAWKS is a younger Monmouth alum and might be in the same boat as I.

This is why I only do the year-end poll. I just don't have the time to analyze the results for 40+ teams and spend 2 hours a week on a poll. Interestingly enough, last year was the one year I forgot to submit my poll by the Monday morning after the natty and it quite literally cost Holy Cross 25th place in AGS.

sort of-- I a 47 so not exactly young but I do feel that something worth doing needs 100% effort and I do not know enough about non eastern teams or watch them play enough to do it legitimately. Feels like it would take hours to properly do..

[Professor Chaos]

Voting every week is a major time commitment, especially for those of us in the age group where we have young families, kids under 5, babies to take care of etc. I get the vibe that MUHAWKS is a younger Monmouth alum and might be in the same boat as I.

This is why I only do the year-end poll. I just don't have the time to analyze the results for 40+ teams and spend 2 hours a week on a poll. Interestingly enough, last year was the one year I forgot to submit my poll by the Monday morning after the natty and it quite literally cost Holy Cross 25th place in AGS.


sort of-- I a 47 so not exactly young but I do feel that something worth doing needs 100% effort and I do not know enough about non eastern teams or watch them play enough to do it legitimately. Feels like it would take hours to properly do..
It think you both overestimate the amount of time needed to put together a good ballot. There may be some voters that watch a bunch of games every week but personally I don't. When NDSU is at home I don't watch much for other games at all - I'll maybe switch between few in the evening when I'm back but that's it. I'll read a good chunk of the chatter on the weekly score and how they fared threads on here and I'll follow some of the better accounts on X (Sam Herder, Reddit FCS, Craig Haley are some good ones) to get a feel for the games I didn't see - I may pull up highlights or if I'm real interested there's a few YouTube channels like "Matt Highlights #2" that put up condensed game replays that are about 20 minutes long but I usually just study the scores and box scores and I can crank my poll ballot out in about 30-60 minutes total per week (not counting the time I'm checking scores, X, and AGS on Saturdays). Another great tool if you vote is to post your ballot on this thread each week and find out if you're missing something or ask some questions about certain teams that you're off from the consensus on and not sure why.

Bottom line is voting is a great way to immerse yourself in the subdivision. It really adds to my excitement during a college football Saturday because I find myself more interested in scores outside of the MVFC and paying more attention to a game like ACU/North Alabama last week because of it's potential impact on my poll ballot. The more voters we get in the AGS Poll the better it'll be and we've been bleeding voters over recent years (it was in the 70s and 80s pre-COVID and is now down into the 40s). Give it a shot next year if you're on the fence - even if you can't vote every week it's an exercise I think many serious posters on here would enjoy and wouldn't be the time sink many think it is.

[MSUBobcat]

It think you both overestimate the amount of time needed to put together a good ballot. There may be some voters that watch a bunch of games every week but personally I don't. When NDSU is at home I don't watch much for other games at all - I'll maybe switch between few in the evening when I'm back but that's it. I'll read a good chunk of the chatter on the weekly score and how they fared threads on here and I'll follow some of the better accounts on X (Sam Herder, Reddit FCS, Craig Haley are some good ones) to get a feel for the games I didn't see - I may pull up highlights or if I'm real interested there's a few YouTube channels like "Matt Highlights #2" that put up condensed game replays that are about 20 minutes long but I usually just study the scores and box scores and I can crank my poll ballot out in about 30-60 minutes total per week (not counting the time I'm checking scores, X, and AGS on Saturdays). Another great tool if you vote is to post your ballot on this thread each week and find out if you're missing something or ask some questions about certain teams that you're off from the consensus on and not sure why.

Bottom line is voting is a great way to immerse yourself in the subdivision. It really adds to my excitement during a college football Saturday because I find myself more interested in scores outside of the MVFC and paying more attention to a game like ACU/North Alabama last week because of it's potential impact on my poll ballot. The more voters we get in the AGS Poll the better it'll be and we've been bleeding voters over recent years (it was in the 70s and 80s pre-COVID and is now down into the 40s). Give it a shot next year if you're on the fence - even if you can't vote every week it's an exercise I think many serious posters on here would enjoy and wouldn't be the time sink many think it is.

Well stated, PC. You sold me. I'll get back in the vote next year. xsalutex

[Professor Chaos]

Voting every week is a major time commitment, especially for those of us in the age group where we have young families, kids under 5, babies to take care of etc. I get the vibe that MUHAWKS is a younger Monmouth alum and might be in the same boat as I.

This is why I only do the year-end poll. I just don't have the time to analyze the results for 40+ teams and spend 2 hours a week on a poll. Interestingly enough, last year was the one year I forgot to submit my poll by the Monday morning after the natty and it quite literally cost Holy Cross 25th place in AGS.
I'd also add, in regard to the bolded above, you'd probably find that your end of year poll takes a lot less time if you do poll ballots each week. My end of year poll submission usually takes about 10 minutes (mostly just inputting teams on the form to submit my vote) because I will re-rank teams after each week in the playoffs even though I'm not submitting ballots so pretty much the only thing that moves in that final week is the top 2 or 3 teams since it's just the national championship game I'm reacting to.

[POD Knows]

I'd also add, in regard to the bolded above, you'd probably find that your end of year poll takes a lot less time if you do poll ballots each week. My end of year poll submission usually takes about 10 minutes (mostly just inputting teams on the form to submit my vote) because I will re-rank teams after each week in the playoffs even though I'm not submitting ballots so pretty much the only thing that moves in that final week is the top 2 or 3 teams since it's just the national championship game I'm reacting to.I watch a lot of FCS football on Saturday and Sunday, probably 5 or 6 via ESPN+, you can bang out quite a few games fast forwarding through the commercials and Halftime. My actual poll probably only takes a half hour or so. I am maybe different than you are as, for me, I feel like I need to watch actual games and apply an eye ball test to the teams. I do not watch hardly any CAA games unless they are an OOC game because I do not subscribe to flo sports.

I don't watch very many FCS games live except for the 11 am stuff if NDSU is on the road, then I will catch a game before NDSU comes on. Suffered through most of the Dartmouth Yale game this weekend and turned it off when Dartmouth was getting spanked around. xlolx

[FUBeAR]

It think you both overestimate the amount of time needed to put together a good ballot. There may be some voters that watch a bunch of games every week but personally I don't. When NDSU is at home I don't watch much for other games at all - I'll maybe switch between few in the evening when I'm back but that's it. I'll read a good chunk of the chatter on the weekly score and how they fared threads on here and I'll follow some of the better accounts on X (Sam Herder, Reddit FCS, Craig Haley are some good ones) to get a feel for the games I didn't see - I may pull up highlights or if I'm real interested there's a few YouTube channels like "Matt Highlights #2" that put up condensed game replays that are about 20 minutes long but I usually just study the scores and box scores and I can crank my poll ballot out in about 30-60 minutes total per week (not counting the time I'm checking scores, X, and AGS on Saturdays). Another great tool if you vote is to post your ballot on this thread each week and find out if you're missing something or ask some questions about certain teams that you're off from the consensus on and not sure why.

Bottom line is voting is a great way to immerse yourself in the subdivision. It really adds to my excitement during a college football Saturday because I find myself more interested in scores outside of the MVFC and paying more attention to a game like ACU/North Alabama last week because of it's potential impact on my poll ballot. The more voters we get in the AGS Poll the better it'll be and we've been bleeding voters over recent years (it was in the 70s and 80s pre-COVID and is now down into the 40s). Give it a shot next year if you're on the fence - even if you can't vote every week it's an exercise I think many serious posters on here would enjoy and wouldn't be the time sink many think it is.
Not trying to discourage anyone from voting. It’s a cool thing and is, actually, a great service to FCS, providing some measure of counterbalance to the (more) biased media and the clueless “Coaches” polls.

So…since the Prof’s “therapy” worked for Bob, let’s see if he can help FUBeAR with his voting issue…

I never thought it would happen to me… JK JK … you older fans of a certain Guccione monthly publication may appreciate that phrase.

Anyway…FUBeAR was a voter for 2 years - maybe ‘18 and ‘19. It was a grind to do it right, but that was not the problem. FUBeAR loves FCS Football, so the immersion and effort were cool.

BUT…FUBeAR began to look at … and analyze (FUBeAR does that, y’know) the regularly posted individual polls and the resulting AGS poll, and felt, whether right or wrong, FELT he detected fairly significant bias from the voters. The bias seemed to be, FUBeAR SENSED, more Conference-based than Team-based, but he FELT there was some measure of “my team” bias also. FUBeAR FELT he SENSED both bias for and bias against Conferences and, less so, against Teams.

BUT … that’s not what stopped FUBeAR from being a Voter.

FUBeAR found, that when he was preparing his poll, he would angst over his FEELINGS that others were submitting biased, if only slightly so, polls AND that the number of people submitting polls with particular bias needed counterbalancing in a effort to ‘make it right.’ So, FUBeAR, found himself in great angst … because he FELT, to get specific, and as an example, that say, a 5-0 ETSU Team with an SEC win (by 20) deserved to be #8, but he FELT that numerous AGS voters were going to put the Bucs at #21, justifying that “it was ‘only’ Vanderbilt, and ETSU also had a D2 win…and, y’know, SoCon … just not the same since GaSou and App left” So, he thought…gosh darn it all … FUBeAR is gonna put ETSU at (undeserved) #2 just to help them get closer to the #8 they did deserve.

Yes - this may (or may not) have ALL been in FUBeAR’s head, but he found himself unable to vote his conscience because he FELT the need to “save the world” from (perhaps perceived) injustice. FUBeAR was unable to resolve (in his own mind & emotions) this issue during his 2nd year of voting, so he ‘surrendered.’

Can you help FUBeAR, Prof.?

FUBeAR will hang up and listen to your answer.

[Professor Chaos]

Not trying to discourage anyone from voting. It’s a cool thing and is, actually, a great service to FCS, providing some measure of counterbalance to the (more) biased media and the clueless “Coaches” polls.

So…since the Prof’s “therapy” worked for Bob, let’s see if he can help FUBeAR with his voting issue…

I never thought it would happen to me… JK JK … you older fans of a certain Guccione monthly publication may appreciate that phrase.

Anyway…FUBeAR was a voter for 2 years - maybe ‘18 and ‘19. It was a grind to do it right, but that was not the problem. FUBeAR loves FCS Football, so the immersion and effort were cool.

BUT…FUBeAR began to look at … and analyze (FUBeAR does that, y’know) the regularly posted individual polls and the resulting AGS poll, and felt, whether right or wrong, FELT he detected fairly significant bias from the voters. The bias seemed to be, FUBeAR SENSED, more Conference-based than Team-based, but he FELT there was some measure of “my team” bias also. FUBeAR FELT he SENSED both bias for and bias against Conferences and, less so, against Teams.

BUT … that’s not what stopped FUBeAR from being a Voter.

FUBeAR found, that when he was preparing his poll, he would angst over his FEELINGS that others were submitting biased, if only slightly so, polls AND that the number of people submitting polls with particular bias needed counterbalancing in a effort to ‘make it right.’ So, FUBeAR, found himself in great angst … because he FELT, to get specific, and as an example, that say, a 5-0 ETSU Team with an SEC win (by 20) deserved to be #8, but he FELT that numerous AGS voters were going to put the Bucs at #21, justifying that “it was ‘only’ Vanderbilt, and ETSU also had a D2 win…and, y’know, SoCon … just not the same since GaSou and App left” So, he thought…gosh darn it all … FUBeAR is gonna put ETSU at (undeserved) #2 just to help them get closer to the #8 they did deserve.

Yes - this may (or may not) have ALL been in FUBeAR’s head, but he found himself unable to vote his conscience because he FELT the need to “save the world” from (perhaps perceived) injustice. FUBeAR was unable to resolve (in his own mind & emotions) this issue during his 2nd year of voting, so he ‘surrendered.’

Can you help FUBeAR, Prof.?

FUBeAR will hang up and listen to your answer.
Wow there's enough FUBeARs in that post to make me go crosseyed.... while I would agree that there tends to be a bias towards ones own conference teams I believe ursus ran the numbers a while back using the "What conference does your team play in" question that is on each week's poll submission and found that conferences voters actually tend to rank their own conference's teams lower than the consensus.

Maybe that's changed since then since I'm thinking that was at least 5 years ago but I would also say the more voters we get from teams in various conferences the less the conference voter bias matters in either direction.

[POD Knows]

Not trying to discourage anyone from voting. It’s a cool thing and is, actually, a great service to FCS, providing some measure of counterbalance to the (more) biased media and the clueless “Coaches” polls.

So…since the Prof’s “therapy” worked for Bob, let’s see if he can help FUBeAR with his voting issue…

I never thought it would happen to me… JK JK … you older fans of a certain Guccione monthly publication may appreciate that phrase.

Anyway…FUBeAR was a voter for 2 years - maybe ‘18 and ‘19. It was a grind to do it right, but that was not the problem. FUBeAR loves FCS Football, so the immersion and effort were cool.

BUT…FUBeAR began to look at … and analyze (FUBeAR does that, y’know) the regularly posted individual polls and the resulting AGS poll, and felt, whether right or wrong, FELT he detected fairly significant bias from the voters. The bias seemed to be, FUBeAR SENSED, more Conference-based than Team-based, but he FELT there was some measure of “my team” bias also. FUBeAR FELT he SENSED both bias for and bias against Conferences and, less so, against Teams.

BUT … that’s not what stopped FUBeAR from being a Voter.

FUBeAR found, that when he was preparing his poll, he would angst over his FEELINGS that others were submitting biased, if only slightly so, polls AND that the number of people submitting polls with particular bias needed counterbalancing in a effort to ‘make it right.’ So, FUBeAR, found himself in great angst … because he FELT, to get specific, and as an example, that say, a 5-0 ETSU Team with an SEC win (by 20) deserved to be #8, but he FELT that numerous AGS voters were going to put the Bucs at #21, justifying that “it was ‘only’ Vanderbilt, and ETSU also had a D2 win…and, y’know, SoCon … just not the same since GaSou and App left” So, he thought…gosh darn it all … FUBeAR is gonna put ETSU at (undeserved) #2 just to help them get closer to the #8 they did deserve.

Yes - this may (or may not) have ALL been in FUBeAR’s head, but he found himself unable to vote his conscience because he FELT the need to “save the world” from (perhaps perceived) injustice. FUBeAR was unable to resolve (in his own mind & emotions) this issue during his 2nd year of voting, so he ‘surrendered.’

Can you help FUBeAR, Prof.?

FUBeAR will hang up and listen to your answer.
I seem to remember that "The Bear" stated regarding the poll that the voters tended to have less bias and were more critical of their own teams than the voters as a whole. I will openly admit that I have conference bias and that is based on OOC records and past playoff performance. All conferences are not equal, that is borne out by interconference play, the playoffs and other things. I personally do not think about what other people may or may not do in their polls, I do not use any other poll to benchmark mine, I do use Massy and Sagarin ratings when looking at certain things.

[MSUBobcat]

Wow there's enough FUBeARs in that post to make me go crosseyed.... while I would agree that there tends to be a bias towards ones own conference teams I believe ursus ran the numbers a while back using the "What conference does your team play in" question that is on each week's poll submission and found that conferences voters actually tend to rank their own conference's teams lower than the consensus.

Maybe that's changed since then since I'm thinking that was at least 5 years ago but I would also say the more voters we get from teams in various conferences the less the conference voter bias matters in either direction.

I recall this as well and it makes sense to me, especially for those who post their polls for all to see. I think consciously or subconsciously people are harder on their own conference because they don't want the public to perceive them as biased toward their own team/conference and as a result they are actually biased AGAINST their team/conference.

[FUBeAR]

Wow there's enough FUBeARs in that post to make me go crosseyed.... while I would agree that there tends to be a bias towards ones own conference teams I believe ursus ran the numbers a while back using the "What conference does your team play in" question that is on each week's poll submission and found that conferences voters actually tend to rank their own conference's teams lower than the consensus.


Maybe that's changed since then since I'm thinking that was at least 5 years ago but I would also say the more voters we get from teams in various conferences the less the conference voter bias matters in either direction.
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Yeah - seems as if the consensus is more or less “Not us. That’s JUST a FUBeAR problem.”

Very well may be true, and certainly the internal angst and feeling of needing to right the wrongs he FEELS exist, are.

So, no cure. Not gonna return to voting until and unless FUBeAR feels he can, without great internal conflict, vote how he really feels rather than using his vote to ‘advocate for (his perceived) righteousness.’

FUBeAR will add, that participating in the Pick’em game has provided a lot, if not all, of the benefits ProfC stated and FUBeAR has made it a fun weekly family activity with FUBeAR Jr (an FCS guy) and Mr. Little Miss FUBeAR (a UGa FBS guy…previously) collaborating (via Google Sheets) from 3 different cities, talking and texting about our picks and trials/woes all week. All the fun and none of the angst (not really).

NOT suggesting anyone else do that INSTEAD of voting. Do both if you wanna do it right. FUBeAR just can’t trust himself enough to be a conscientious voter.

[caribbeanhen]

The biased FCS media should be forced to play the AGS Pick em Game, maybe one is I don't know. Thet game is tough and could potentially expose anyone masquerading as Stats voter.

As for the AGS Poll, I always agreed that people are generally tougher on their own team, but not necessarily their own teams conference.

The real bias is with the Ivy league teams, and people have actually admitted it. I get it, they don't participate in the playoffs is the reasoning I've heard. to a lesser extent the Big Sky, both media and fans have this conference slightly overrated in my opinion. I did agree with FuBeaR's mission last year on the overall strength of the Southern conference but thinks FuBeaR might take that mission on a bridge to far.... he knows that too but he ain't gonna admit it xnodx

[SteelSD]

Not trying to discourage anyone from voting. It’s a cool thing and is, actually, a great service to FCS, providing some measure of counterbalance to the (more) biased media and the clueless “Coaches” polls.

So…since the Prof’s “therapy” worked for Bob, let’s see if he can help FUBeAR with his voting issue…

I never thought it would happen to me… JK JK … you older fans of a certain Guccione monthly publication may appreciate that phrase.

Anyway…FUBeAR was a voter for 2 years - maybe ‘18 and ‘19. It was a grind to do it right, but that was not the problem. FUBeAR loves FCS Football, so the immersion and effort were cool.

BUT…FUBeAR began to look at … and analyze (FUBeAR does that, y’know) the regularly posted individual polls and the resulting AGS poll, and felt, whether right or wrong, FELT he detected fairly significant bias from the voters. The bias seemed to be, FUBeAR SENSED, more Conference-based than Team-based, but he FELT there was some measure of “my team” bias also. FUBeAR FELT he SENSED both bias for and bias against Conferences and, less so, against Teams.

BUT … that’s not what stopped FUBeAR from being a Voter.

FUBeAR found, that when he was preparing his poll, he would angst over his FEELINGS that others were submitting biased, if only slightly so, polls AND that the number of people submitting polls with particular bias needed counterbalancing in a effort to ‘make it right.’ So, FUBeAR, found himself in great angst … because he FELT, to get specific, and as an example, that say, a 5-0 ETSU Team with an SEC win (by 20) deserved to be #8, but he FELT that numerous AGS voters were going to put the Bucs at #21, justifying that “it was ‘only’ Vanderbilt, and ETSU also had a D2 win…and, y’know, SoCon … just not the same since GaSou and App left” So, he thought…gosh darn it all … FUBeAR is gonna put ETSU at (undeserved) #2 just to help them get closer to the #8 they did deserve.

Yes - this may (or may not) have ALL been in FUBeAR’s head, but he found himself unable to vote his conscience because he FELT the need to “save the world” from (perhaps perceived) injustice. FUBeAR was unable to resolve (in his own mind & emotions) this issue during his 2nd year of voting, so he ‘surrendered.’

Can you help FUBeAR, Prof.?

FUBeAR will hang up and listen to your answer.
Seems like a really wordy way of saying "I constantly over ranked Furman and Mercer and felt some kind of way about it."

[FUBeAR]

Seems like a really wordy way of saying "I constantly over ranked Furman and Mercer and felt some kind of way about it."
Seems like that money FUBeAR sent you to pay for your remedial reading classes must’ve been wasted on vodka-infused carrots…again.

[SteelSD]

Seems like that money FUBeAR sent you to pay for your remedial reading classes must’ve been wasted on vodka-infused carrots…again.
They were Bourbon infused you heathen!

[Preferred Walk-On]

Yes - this may (or may not) have ALL been in FUBeAR’s head, but he found himself unable to vote his conscience because he FELT the need to “save the world” from (perhaps perceived) injustice. FUBeAR was unable to resolve (in his own mind & emotions) this issue during his 2nd year of voting, so he ‘surrendered.’

I don't have much to add that may (or may not) be taken as FUBeAR's problem, but my suggestion would be to vote your conscience and not worry about others' voting choices. If your conscience truly goes against the masses, then you will have done your small part to "'save the world' from (perhaps perceived) injustice". And if your conscience does not go against the masses, then you will have supported, in my opinion, the best poll out there. By not voting, you are not contributing to either outcome. However, if FUBeAR gets satisfaction out of other things, then FUBeAR should do those things. Life is too short. My $0.02.

[FUBeAR]

They were Bourbon infused you heathen!
FUBeAR apologizes. From reading your posts, he was assuming your pronouns.

[ngineer]

The problem with the bottom quarter of the poll is finding "consistent" teams. There are lots of good teams for one week or two. And then they lay eggs. I've been trying to find consistent teams to fill up to 25 and it's hard.

IF, and I do mean IF, Lehigh knocks off Yale in "The Bowl", I submit my Mountain Hawks should start getting some looks. Still very young, but they are playing hard and have shown a culture change. This game is by no means a 'lock', and I expect it to be close to the wire. Team with lesser TO's and "dumb" penalties will win.

[ElCid]

IF, and I do mean IF, Lehigh knocks off Yale in "The Bowl", I submit my Mountain Hawks should start getting some looks. Still very young, but they are playing hard and have shown a culture change. This game is by no means a 'lock', and I expect it to be close to the wire. Team with lesser TO's and "dumb" penalties will win.

I've been watching them all year. I "may" have included them this week if they hadn't laid an egg with Bucknell, at home. Going to be harder now. I would say they need to win their next three or four to get serious consideration from the masses.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I've been watching them all year. I "may" have included them this week if they hadn't laid an egg with Bucknell, at home. Going to be harder now. I would say they need to win their next three or four to get serious consideration from the masses.

They laid an egg in terms of the mistakes but they dominated that game imo. But, that's football sometimes. I'm with ngineer though, I expect a very strong performance at the Yale Bowl Saturday. It might take a possession or two for Lehigh to get their sea legs after the unusual layoff but once they do I think the talent can/will win the day. This is a very young team, but their talent level is nearing Lehigh standards. IF Lehigh continues to improves as the season progresses they'll be a legitimate headache for their PL brethren and several playoff teams should they be so fortunate to have the opportunity to compete at such a level.

The loss to Bucknell definitely stings as 4-1 with some displays of dominance would definitely be creating some more waves nationally. Even so, finish October strong and the fruits of their labor will be recognized. With this said, given how bad the last 5-6 years have been it would not shock me for them to be 3-4 heading into November....

[MUHAWKS]

They laid an egg in terms of the mistakes but they dominated that game imo. But, that's football sometimes. I'm with ngineer though, I expect a very strong performance at the Yale Bowl Saturday. It might take a possession or two for Lehigh to get their sea legs after the unusual layoff but once they do I think the talent can/will win the day. This is a very young team, but their talent level is nearing Lehigh standards. IF Lehigh continues to improves as the season progresses they'll be a legitimate headache for their PL brethren and several playoff teams should they be so fortunate to have the opportunity to compete at such a level.

The loss to Bucknell definitely stings as 4-1 with some displays of dominance would definitely be creating some more waves nationally. Even so, finish October strong and the fruits of their labor will be recognized. With this said, given how bad the last 5-6 years have been it would not shock me for them to be 3-4 heading into November....


IVY QB play is vastly down, including Yale- Lehigh has a shot

[ElCid]

Towson is just outside my poll. Call it a combination of, I'm having slight doubts about Nova, negating the close loss over a real good team reasoning. And at the same time, increasing doubts about W&M negating a close win reasoning. They may both be ranked, but me thinks possibly over ranked. Novas schedule hasn't been exactly challenging. All while Towson's ridiculously close wins over Morgan and Norfolk may be closer to reality as well. Not enough data yet.

All that said, I'm still on board with both Nova and W&M in their AGS poll positions, until they prove my doubts were actually true. I'll give Towson continued looks though.

Yeah, even more doubts about Nova after going down 0-28 in the first to Maine. They might come back (it's early still), but geez.