Might the FCS Championship Game get moved out of Frisco after 2026?

[bonarae]

Currently, Frisco, TX has an option to extend the hosting rights of the FCS Championship Game to after the 2026 season. But due to this development, can the FCS Championship be moving to a new stadium after the current contract expires, or even sooner?

https://www.fcdallas.com/news/toyota-stadium-to-undergo-multi-million-dollar-renovation

https://newtoyotastadium.com

[Pards Rule]

I hope not..great venue. Was there for NC in Jan 2012

[JacksFan40]

Read that Tampa might put a bid in? Not sure the legitimacy to that claim.

[caribbeanhen]

Read that Tampa might put a bid in? Not sure the legitimacy to that claim.

or Orlando

make it a Semi Final event to get those semis out of games the cold

[Pards Rule]

or Orlando

make it a Semi Final event to get those semis out of games the cold

hey its kinda cool to see a dusting of snow on game day at NC. I went down to cheer NDSU in their first championship in Jan 2012. The temps were chilly my stay, especially evening - I think game day it was 45 but sunny. I still have some NDSU fan's gloves that were left in stands.

[Outsider1]

The new Toyota Stadium would make a great venue, but Orlando would be great for semis.

[Reign of Terrier]

My inkling is that if the big four move up it may just move.

[caribbeanhen]

My inkling is that if the big four move up it may just move.

The big four have big fan bases too, if they do go, you can foresee some future FCS title games with a lot of empty seats. Imagine Villanova versus Weber State, I know that I don’t do all that bad but it’s late

[bonarae]

Sadly based on the NCAA announcement (https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2024-10-02/ncaa-announces-more-240-host-site-selections)made today, no updates for future FCS championship venues have been announced yet.

[Sitting Bull]

It sounds like Frisco will be unavailable for 2026 and 2027 based on the construction timeline.

Maybe this relatively new stadium in downtown Orlando would work as a temporary replacement. It seats 25,000.

https://www.interco-stadium.com/

[FUBeAR]

It sounds like Frisco will be unavailable for 2026 and 2027 based on the construction timeline.

Maybe this relatively new stadium in downtown Orlando would work as a temporary replacement. It seats 25,000.

https://www.interco-stadium.com/
So…you’re saying do an “FCS Final Four” in Orlando over the Christmas / New Years Week with 2 the Semi-Finals and the Championship game being played, say, 5 days apart … doing a multi-pronged ‘deal’ with Disney Parks / Disney Resorts and ESPN, including a dedicated online exchange, where fans can buy/sell Final Four packages depending on their Teams’ participation status, while also eliminating Thanksgiving weekend Playoff games AND finding the right motivations / timing / structure to gain the participation of the MEAC, SWAC, and Ivy Champions.

FUBeAR loves it! Great idea SB!!!

[Professor Chaos]

I think it's unlikely the championship moves out of Frisco anytime soon - I'm guessing the bid they put in is pretty massive. I recall in the early 2010 game tickets were in the $40 range - today it's $100 per ticket or more after fees no matter where you sit. Frisco has made bank on this game and I'm guessing their bids, relative to what were when they first got the game, are indicative of that.

I would assume they'll make what accommodations they need to in order to host the game while it is under construction. The JMU/NDSU championship game after the 2017 season was played while the south endzone renovations were still ongoing and the JMU/Youngstown St championship game was played while the south endzone was torn down.

[kdinva]

.....I think it's unlikely the championship moves out of Frisco anytime soon -I would assume they'll make what accommodations they need to in order to host the game while it is under construction. .

I said in the past: SMU's venue (34,000) could be an option. teams and fans could basically use the same airport and hotels.

[ysubigred]

I've always said Louisville KY would be the spot. It's the center of all FCS milage wise. Great airport, hotels, and venues. Bourbon Trail to boot. Lynn family Stadium ~15K is state of the art. U of L stadium is way too big.

Jan in Louisville is not extremely bad weather. Hell it was -6 last time I was in Frisco..

Just a thought..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241004/399bbe66ef35b2cb1f964f9af387142b.jpg

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[Reign of Terrier]

My guess is that the FCS will move from Frisco when Frisco wants it to move. If the FCS becomes like D2 due to conference realignment, I could see that happening and maybe moving east.

[NY Crusader 2010]

The big four have big fan bases too, if they do go, you can foresee some future FCS title games with a lot of empty seats. Imagine Villanova versus Weber State, I know that I don’t do all that bad but it’s late

What I'm interested to see is, if the "Big 4" move up (which seems less likely now than 3 weeks ago), what schools fill in the power vacuum. The following schools all could look prime to be perennial contenders in a handful of years:

USD
UND
UNI
UC Davis
Tarleton
Abilene
Incarnate Word
Mercer
Furman
W&M
Villanova
North Alabama
ETSU
Chatty

Plus, how about a couple of old school 1990's I-AA powers => Youngstown and McNeese

I don't think championship game attendance will be a huge problem, the "big four" are just on a whole other level when it comes to that.

[JacksFan40]

Nashville has submitted a bid to host the title game in 2025 & 2026 at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium, capacity of 30k.

https://herosports.com/fcs-nashville-bids-hosting-championship-bzbz/

With Frisco’s Toyota Stadium to undergo major multi-year renovations after this season’s FCS title game, Nashville has submitted a bid to host the championship for the 2025 and 2026 seasons at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium (30,000 capacity).
The current capacity for Toyota Stadium is around 18,500 for the FCS championship game.

Nashville Sports Council president and CEO Scott Ramsey told The Tennessean his staff made a presentation and submitted a bid to the FCS committee on Nov. 22 to host the championship game in 2025 and 2026. Vanderbilt and the Ohio Valley Conference partnered with the Sports Council in putting together the bid.

The 2025 FCS national championship game will be played on Jan. 5, 2026 and the 2026 national championship is Jan. 4, 2027.

“We have our fingers crossed,” Ramsey said. “We’re hopeful in the next couple of weeks they (FCS committee) will make a decision and hopefully it’s Nashville and we can kind of get rolling and start working on it. I believe they want to decide on the next city as soon as possible.”

Nashville would be an awesome place to have the title game, love that city.

[Outsider1]

Nashville would be a good hosting city, lots to do, see and eat.

[POD Knows]

Nashville has submitted a bid to host the title game in 2025 & 2026 at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium, capacity of 30k.

https://herosports.com/fcs-nashville-bids-hosting-championship-bzbz/

With Frisco’s Toyota Stadium to undergo major multi-year renovations after this season’s FCS title game, Nashville has submitted a bid to host the championship for the 2025 and 2026 seasons at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium (30,000 capacity).
The current capacity for Toyota Stadium is around 18,500 for the FCS championship game.

Nashville Sports Council president and CEO Scott Ramsey told The Tennessean his staff made a presentation and submitted a bid to the FCS committee on Nov. 22 to host the championship game in 2025 and 2026. Vanderbilt and the Ohio Valley Conference partnered with the Sports Council in putting together the bid.

The 2025 FCS national championship game will be played on Jan. 5, 2026 and the 2026 national championship is Jan. 4, 2027.

“We have our fingers crossed,” Ramsey said. “We’re hopeful in the next couple of weeks they (FCS committee) will make a decision and hopefully it’s Nashville and we can kind of get rolling and start working on it. I believe they want to decide on the next city as soon as possible.”

Nashville would be an awesome place to have the title game, love that city.
I would be all over Nashville, been there a bunch of times and like that city and area. It is about the same drive from Fargo as it is to Frisco. Weather is probably similar. This move would get a thumbs up from me. I like Frisco and have been there numerous times but a change would be great. No idea what the tailgating lot would look like in TN because the set up in Frisco is awesome for that.

[dbackjon]

Nashville would be a good hosting city, lots to do, see and eat.

Nashville would be a good temporary alternate

[dbackjon]

2016 season (2017 game) was the last time two eastern teams played in the FCS championship (JMU and YSU).

YSU and Illinois State are the only two east of the Mississippi teams in the last ten years to make it to Frisco.

[JacksFan40]

I would be all over Nashville, been there a bunch of times and like that city and area. It is about the same drive from Fargo as it is to Frisco. Weather is probably similar. This move would get a thumbs up from me. I like Frisco and have been there numerous times but a change would be great. No idea what the tailgating lot would look like in TN because the set up in Frisco is awesome for that.
Guessing it would just be where Vandy does their tailgating. No idea how good the tailgate scene is at Vandy. Been on two different bachelor parties to Nashville and it’s a hell of a good time.

Here’s what I found on the tailgating at Vandy.

https://vucommodores.com/vandyville/

[RahRahRabbits]

Nashville has submitted a bid to host the title game in 2025 & 2026 at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium, capacity of 30k.

https://herosports.com/fcs-nashville-bids-hosting-championship-bzbz/

With Frisco’s Toyota Stadium to undergo major multi-year renovations after this season’s FCS title game, Nashville has submitted a bid to host the championship for the 2025 and 2026 seasons at Vanderbilt’s newly renovated FirstBank Stadium (30,000 capacity).
The current capacity for Toyota Stadium is around 18,500 for the FCS championship game.

Nashville Sports Council president and CEO Scott Ramsey told The Tennessean his staff made a presentation and submitted a bid to the FCS committee on Nov. 22 to host the championship game in 2025 and 2026. Vanderbilt and the Ohio Valley Conference partnered with the Sports Council in putting together the bid.

The 2025 FCS national championship game will be played on Jan. 5, 2026 and the 2026 national championship is Jan. 4, 2027.

“We have our fingers crossed,” Ramsey said. “We’re hopeful in the next couple of weeks they (FCS committee) will make a decision and hopefully it’s Nashville and we can kind of get rolling and start working on it. I believe they want to decide on the next city as soon as possible.”

Nashville would be an awesome place to have the title game, love that city.

I agree! Frisco has been great, and I have nothing against them... but only having one side open/half-capacity for the 2025/2026 season championship games would be pretty darn lame.

[OhioHen]

2016 season (2017 game) was the last time two eastern teams played in the FCS championship (JMU and YSU).

YSU and Illinois State are the only two east of the Mississippi teams in the last ten years to make it to Frisco.
If we're basing the location on travel in the past ten years, the game should be held in Nebraska.

[POD Knows]

Guessing it would just be where Vandy does their tailgating. No idea how good the tailgate scene is at Vandy. Been on two different bachelor parties to Nashville and it’s a hell of a good time.

Here’s what I found on the tailgating at Vandy.

https://vucommodores.com/vandyville/To me it looks like they have less parking close to the stadium than either NDSU or SDSU. I think the tailgating situation there would be lame, it has a decent sized parking lot sort of SW of the stadium, but it is set up like a lot of inner city colleges without the big parking lots around the stadium. It is a great destination town though. Pretty easy to fly in and out of if need be.

[dbackjon]

To me it looks like they have less parking close to the stadium than either NDSU or SDSU. I think the tailgating situation there would be lame, it has a decent sized parking lot sort of SW of the stadium, but it is set up like a lot of inner city colleges without the big parking lots around the stadium. It is a great destination town though. Pretty easy to fly in and out of if need be.

The parking area SW of the stadium is where they tailgate, and it is a good sized lot.

The 2525 Garage is a big garage (that is where I parked when I worked in that building) on the northside of the stadium.

[POD Knows]

The parking area SW of the stadium is where they tailgate, and it is a good sized lot.

The 2525 Garage is a big garage (that is where I parked when I worked in that building) on the northside of the stadium.
Check out the parking lots at the Fargo dome, they dwarf anything around that stadium in Nashville.

[dbackjon]

Check out the parking lots at the Fargo dome, they dwarf anything around that stadium in Nashville.


And in Frisco, which is the only comparison valid to this thread...

[nickp]

The FCS championship site should be rotated every years in mls and fbs stadiums

[FUBeAR]

The FCS championship site should be rotated every years in mls and fbs stadiums
Rotated easterly & westerly among 4 'destination' locations such as...Frisco (Dallas), Orlando, Las Vegas, and Nashville - something like that - other locations in a more northerly latitude with DECENT indoor stadiums, if any...could work into that mix also.

[POD Knows]

And in Frisco, which is the only comparison valid to this thread...
Correct. The parking in Frisco is better situated to allow for tailgating.

[Reign of Terrier]

My thermonuclear take: The championship game should be hosted by one of the participants. Yes, it conveys an advantage. I don’t care. Once the Dakota States and Montanas leave there won’t be much of a home field advantage in any given venue.

I said what I said, argue with your mother.

[NY Crusader 2010]

To me it looks like they have less parking close to the stadium than either NDSU or SDSU. I think the tailgating situation there would be lame, it has a decent sized parking lot sort of SW of the stadium, but it is set up like a lot of inner city colleges without the big parking lots around the stadium. It is a great destination town though. Pretty easy to fly in and out of if need be.

Unfortunately, you can't print space. The trade-off is more parking spots versus having numerous pre-game festivity options that involve something other than standing outside your car drinking. Not trying to knock a good tailgate, that's just the trade-off in environment. It's like comparing the Meadowlands to if the Jets had gotten the Hudson Yards stadium built on the West Side of Manhattan.

[DFW HOYA]

The championship game has benefited tremendously from large Dakota-state programs that can send lots of fans to Baja Oklahoma for these games. Cue the wailing and nashing of teeth when Villanova meets UIW before 4,000 fans in Frisco.

[POD Knows]

Unfortunately, you can't print space. The trade-off is more parking spots versus having numerous pre-game festivity options that involve something other than standing outside your car drinking. Not trying to knock a good tailgate, that's just the trade-off in environment. It's like comparing the Meadowlands to if the Jets had gotten the Hudson Yards stadium built on the West Side of Manhattan.Are the bars open at 7 in morning because that is about the time the tailgate starts with Midwesterners. Don't know what festivities you are gonna have that early in the morning. xdrunkyx I would be all in on Nashville but I am just saying, if the teams in the game are from this area of the country, there better be places to park by the field and it better open early.

[Professor Chaos]

My thermonuclear take: The championship game should be hosted by one of the participants. Yes, it conveys an advantage. I don’t care. Once the Dakota States and Montanas leave there won’t be much of a home field advantage in any given venue.

I said what I said, argue with your mother.
It's a better idea than playing the semis at a neutral site as well.

[Pards Rule]

I went to NC in 2011 (NDSU wins over SHSU). Amazing but literally that stadium was at the edge of development to the north! I believe Costco nearby was recently built then. I cant imagine what it is like today. There was street parking to the east where I parked - streets without homes. So to avoid parking fees I parked in one of these streets next to fire hydrant (well no houses, no problem?) Well Frisco Police were nice as I found only a warning under my wiper upon return from partying with my Bison friends.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Are the bars open at 7 in morning because that is about the time the tailgate starts with Midwesterners. Don't know what festivities you are gonna have that early in the morning. xdrunkyx I would be all in on Nashville but I am just saying, if the teams in the game are from this area of the country, there better be places to park by the field and it better open early.

The 7am tailgaters will be the ones who scoop up the limited parking.

[bonarae]

Four more locations have bids in:

Frisco TX
St Louis
Houston
Kansas City

[Pards Rule]

Four more locations have bids in:

Frisco TX
St Louis
Houston
Kansas City


Interesting...like using what venues in what suburban cities?

[JacksFan40]

Interesting...like using what venues in what suburban cities?
Each city has an MLS stadium so I’d assume they’d host it at those. Arrowhead, NRG, and whatever they call the Rams old stadium would be too large for the FCS. The University of Houston’s stadium could be another option there but that is pretty good size as well.

[DFW HOYA]

Interesting...like using what venues in what suburban cities?

St. Louis has a new MLS stadium west of downtown in an improving neighborhood. Kansas City's stadium is in the suburbs.

New Orleans can be a great destination but Tulane's stadium, like its ancestral predecessor, has no parking to speak of.

https://dynl.mktgcdn.com/p/JjVI4GAXdawtsI3gzIMKRgBiKv6RVHMy51N4VydeSjQ/500x500

[CopperCat]

Texas is the best state to host. Agreeable climate and easy for teams and fans to get there, all major carriers go to DFW/DAL airports.

St Louis is a hard no. That is not a football town.

Nashville is a decent option. Not quite as commutable for west coast teams, but good enough. Lots to see and do there.

Vegas would be a good option.

Kansas City is basically St Louis. Not great, not much happening there.

I’d like to see the game stay in Frisco for now.

[Bisonoline]

Texas is the best state to host. Agreeable climate and easy for teams and fans to get there, all major carriers go to DFW/DAL airports.

St Louis is a hard no. That is not a football town.

Nashville is a decent option. Not quite as commutable for west coast teams, but good enough. Lots to see and do there.



Vegas would be a good option.

Kansas City is basically St Louis. Not great, not much happening there.

I’d like to see the game stay in Frisco for now.

I like Frisco. None of the other places intrigue me. Except for may be Vegas.

[Pards Rule]

[QUOTE=CopperCat;3228451]Texas is the best state to host. Agreeable climate and easy for teams and fans to get there, all major carriers go to DFW/DAL airports.

St Louis is a hard no. That is not a football town.

Nashville is a decent option. Not quite as commutable for west coast teams, but good enough. Lots to see and do there.

Copper Cat agree. A very good friend of mine (who passed a few years back) was a Montana St alum and big Bobcat fan. He was the Natl Oil Account director for Hanna Car Wash System (OEM in Portland) and I was in marketing for them in Mid Atlantic and had the Texaco account here. We would chat each other up about the previous weeks games and into playoffs. I only joined Hanna in Feb 1985 and didnt get to know him well until 1986 but hope you can do a 40th anniversary special!

[Pards Rule]

Looking through the list of bowl games, there is a new (I dont recall seeing it before?) bowl held in Frisco called the Scooters Coffee Frisco Bowl which will be Memphis vs West Virginia Tuesday Dec. 17, 9pm on ESPN.

[MSUBobcat]

Looking through the list of bowl games, there is a new (I dont recall seeing it before?) bowl held in Frisco called the Scooters Coffee Frisco Bowl which will be Memphis vs West Virginia Tuesday Dec. 17, 9pm on ESPN.

There has been bowl games in Frisco for a while. 2023 Scooters Bowl was Marshall vs. UTSA. In 2022, it was called the Frisco Bowl (Boise St. vs. North Texas). 2021 actually had 2 games in Frisco: Frisco Bowl (SDSU vs. UTSA) and Frisco Football Classic (Miami OH vs. UNT), added to accommodate there being 84 bowl eligible teams. In 2020, due to COVID, the New Mexico Bowl was played in Frisco, while the Frisco Bowl was cancelled due to COVID issues with SMU (UTSA then accepted a bid to the First Responder Bowl). xrotatehx This first Frisco Bowl was held in 2017. I'm unsure if any games were held there prior to that under a different bowl name.

[Outsider1]

Texas is the best state to host. Agreeable climate and easy for teams and fans to get there, all major carriers go to DFW/DAL airports.

St Louis is a hard no. That is not a football town.

Nashville is a decent option. Not quite as commutable for west coast teams, but good enough. Lots to see and do there.

Vegas would be a good option.

Kansas City is basically St Louis. Not great, not much happening there.

I’d like to see the game stay in Frisco for now.

Well, the nice thing about DFW is that there are LOTS of stadiums to choose from if it needed to stay in that area.

[Ridge1982]

Texas is the best state to host. Agreeable climate and easy for teams and fans to get there, all major carriers go to DFW/DAL airports.

St Louis is a hard no. That is not a football town.

Nashville is a decent option. Not quite as commutable for west coast teams, but good enough. Lots to see and do there.

Vegas would be a good option.

Kansas City is basically St Louis. Not great, not much happening there.

I’d like to see the game stay in Frisco for now.


I love a person from MONTANA that says so and so aren't football towns.

Would you support the Bobcats if they went 15-67 for five years and their BOT threatened to cut the program if they didn't get a new venue ?

Even better, would you support them if they'd gone to the FCS playoffs a mere 8 times since they've been at this level since the early 80's ?

BTW, Lindenwood is in the St. Louis area and the MVFC is headquartered there. I don't think you would want to piss off the SEC of the FCS. KC isn't a slouch.

Be greatful these cities are throwing a bone to the FCS.

[Ridge1982]

Each city has an MLS stadium so I’d assume they’d host it at those. Arrowhead, NRG, and whatever they call the Rams old stadium would be too large for the FCS. The University of Houston’s stadium could be another option there but that is pretty good size as well.

STL has an MLS venue, but Carolyn Betz doesn't want it to be used outside of soccer.

[Ridge1982]

St. Louis has a new MLS stadium west of downtown in an improving neighborhood. Kansas City's stadium is in the suburbs.

New Orleans can be a great destination but Tulane's stadium, like its ancestral predecessor, has no parking to speak of.

https://dynl.mktgcdn.com/p/JjVI4GAXdawtsI3gzIMKRgBiKv6RVHMy51N4VydeSjQ/500x500


Both CityPark and the Dome at America's Center are near light rail stations.

[POD Knows]

I love a person from MONTANA that says so and so aren't football towns.

Would you support the Bobcats if they went 15-67 for five years and their BOT threatened to cut the program if they didn't get a new venue ?

Even better, would you support them if they'd gone to the FCS playoffs a mere 8 times since they've been at this level since the early 80's ?

BTW, Lindenwood is in the St. Louis area and the MVFC is headquartered there. I don't think you would want to piss off the SEC of the FCS. KC isn't a slouch.

Be greatful these cities are throwing a bone to the FCS.
Sorry, St Louis is a ****hole. No offense meant but it just is.

[Ridge1982]

Sorry, St Louis is a ****hole. No offense meant but it just is.

NDSU would be in the FBS by now if their state wasn't podunk with a sub level media market.

[POD Knows]

NDSU would be in the FBS by now if their state wasn't podunk with a sub level media market.
Tell me something I don’t know but I believe the geography is a bigger issue than media market. There is a quarter million people in the Fargo metro. I think St Louis has the highest violent crime rate of any major city in the country.

[Ridge1982]

Tell me something I don’t know but I believe the geography is a bigger issue than media market. There is a quarter million people in the Fargo metro.
Both are factors in determining who goes to FBS-G5

I think St Louis has the highest violent crime rate of any major city in the country.
Wrong. Detroit is, but that wouldn't matter if Ford Field put in a bid.

[POD Knows]

Both are factors in determining who goes to FBS-G5

Wrong. Detroit is, but that wouldn't matter if Ford Field put in a bid.
There is a lot of tiny media markets in FBS. How big is the Davis market. Who the **** follows them in CA. Fargo is just not in anybody’s footprint.

[Ridge1982]

There is a lot of tiny media markets in FBS. How big is the Davis market. Who the **** follows them in CA. Fargo is just not in anybody’s footprint.
Davis is in the Sacramento MSA, which is in the top 50.

[POD Knows]

Both are factors in determining who goes to FBS-G5

Wrong. Detroit is, but that wouldn't matter if Ford Field put in a bid.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

St Louis is #1 in the USA for violent crime rates and nobody would want to go to freaking Detroit either. If we had a poll on here and people were honest, Detroit would get ZERO votes for a football game in January.

[DFW HOYA]

Tell me something I don’t know but I believe the geography is a bigger issue than media market. There is a quarter million people in the Fargo metro. I think St Louis has the highest violent crime rate of any major city in the country.

It's not like they're playing the game in Jeff-Vander-Lou or Cass Square--the Downtown and Midtown areas regularly hold events and are going to be safe. The Cardinals hold 81 games a year downtown and people still come.

If you want a totally upscale venue without any hint of crime, go to Princeton Stadium.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Princeton_Stadium.jpg/640px-Princeton_Stadium.jpg

[Ridge1982]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america

St Louis is #1 in the USA for violent crime rates and nobody would want to go to freaking Detroit either. If we had a poll on here and people were honest, Detroit would get ZERO votes for a football game in January.

Nice try
https://www.mirasafety.com/blogs/news/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us?srsltid=AfmBOorW39Vp14aSTLv8fp5_NkFRIyke_DdjdLn LDFlTzD7xdFwQjipK

and it's not up to you or anyone else but the NCAA and the conferences.

Don't like it, then you're free to stay up in bum**** ND.

[Ridge1982]

It's not like they're playing the game in Jeff-Vander-Lou or Cass Square--the Downtown and Midtown areas regularly hold events and are going to be safe. The Cardinals hold 81 games a year downtown and people still come.

If you want a totally upscale venue without any hint of crime, go to Princeton Stadium.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Princeton_Stadium.jpg/640px-Princeton_Stadium.jpg


This dude gets his info from local and national news.

I'm surprised he's mustered the gumption to travel outside the dakotas.

[MSUBobcat]

Guys, guys... you BOTH live in s#itty parts of the country xsmiley_wix

[Ridge1982]

This is the FCS. Many outside of us hardcore supporters, Sam Herder, and other voters think it's D3. It's waaaaaaay below the totem pole.

In other words, we're beggars and shouldn't be choosers. If the game is put in Siberia, then so be it.

[POD Knows]

It's not like they're playing the game in Jeff-Vander-Lou or Cass Square--the Downtown and Midtown areas regularly hold events and are going to be safe. The Cardinals hold 81 games a year downtown and people still come.

If you want a totally upscale venue without any hint of crime, go to Princeton Stadium.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Princeton_Stadium.jpg/640px-Princeton_Stadium.jpgDude, I have stayed downtown in St Louis multiple times in my career on business. It was bad enough downtown that they gave us maps of places and told us not to go to certain areas and a lot of those areas were close to where we stayed most of the time which was the Adams Mark Hotel. Of course we didn't follow the rules, ended up one night at a peeler joint and there was a dead guy, murdered, out in front of the place with police tape all around him. They didn't even shut the club down. Of course that was in East St Louis but most of St Louis proper look almost as bad as that. I think it has gotten worse there in the past few years even. I have been to St Louis at least 10 times, have not been a victim of crime but have panhandled numerous times but you can get that in Fargo as well.

[POD Knows]

Nice try
https://www.mirasafety.com/blogs/news/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us?srsltid=AfmBOorW39Vp14aSTLv8fp5_NkFRIyke_DdjdLn LDFlTzD7xdFwQjipK

and it's not up to you or anyone else but the NCAA and the conferences.

Don't like it, then you're free to stay up in bum**** ND.https://usabynumbers.com/cities-with-highest-crime-rate/

We can argue this back and forth as long as you want, you can throw Memphis, Detroit and St Louis in a hat, they all suck balls. If I had to pick between those three it would be a draw except Memphis probably has better food.

[Bisonoline]

This is the FCS. Many outside of us hardcore supporters, Sam Herder, and other voters think it's D3. It's waaaaaaay below the totem pole.

In other words, we're beggars and shouldn't be choosers. If the game is put in Siberia, then so be it.

You seem to be the beggar. We are used to much better than where you are used to playing.

[POD Knows]

Guys, guys... you BOTH live in s#itty parts of the country xsmiley_wix
Your post would be hilarious except you live in Billings. But Montana is a lot nicer than ND, I will give you that.

[POD Knows]

This dude gets his info from local and national news.

I'm surprised he's mustered the gumption to travel outside the dakotas.
Business forced me to go the St Louis. I would never go there voluntarily, the Arch isn’t that great. I have never been to Detroit but St Louis is the worst metro area I have ever been to and I have been to quite a few.

EDIT. Just thought of a metro area worse than St Louis that I have spent time in and that is Newark, NJ. How could I forget that.

[POD Knows]

Davis is in the Sacramento MSA, which is in the top 50.
So what. Does anybody freaking watch them on TV. Lot of colleges in big markets with no eyes on the program or their football team.

[FUBeAR]

So what. Does anybody freaking watch them on TV. Lot of colleges in big markets with no eyes on the program or their football team.
Hey now.

It’s not fair to be so mean to Hooty when he’s rarely here to defend himself.

The owlets are too busy trying to figure out how to pretend they are a “big-time” football team after going 0-8 against FCS Teams, a winless streak begun 3 seasons ago.

[POD Knows]

Hey now.

It’s not fair to be so mean to Hooty when he’s rarely here to defend himself.

The owlets are too busy trying to figure out how to pretend they are a “big-time” football team after going 0-8 against FCS Teams, a winless streak begun 3 seasons ago.
Great minds think alike, they were the first ones that popped into my head when the massive UC Davis TV market was referenced. 😀

[Professor Chaos]

This is the FCS. Many outside of us hardcore supporters, Sam Herder, and other voters think it's D3. It's waaaaaaay below the totem pole.

In other words, we're beggars and shouldn't be choosers. If the game is put in Siberia, then so be it.
You'd be surprised the amount of money this game has brought to Frisco over the years. It's significant (as in more than most low-to-mid tier bowl games I'd bet) and I think you'd see a lot more places putting in bids if they thought they could get similar revenue from it.

[nodak651]

How much does frisco pay to host?

[Professor Chaos]

How much does frisco pay to host?
Good question - I don't think anyone here knows (since I don't think it's ever been made public) but I'd wager that their last bid was a lot higher than the first one was back when they were first awarded the game in 2010. Ticket prices have nearly tripled since the 2011/2012 time frame.

[caribbeanhen]

Hey now.

It’s not fair to be so mean to Hooty when he’s rarely here to defend himself.

The owlets are too busy trying to figure out how to pretend they are a “big-time” football team after going 0-8 against FCS Teams, a winless streak begun 3 seasons ago.

Kennesaw is truly Owlful

[Ridge1982]

And if the NCAA decides St. Louis is the place for the 26 or 27 title game to be played in, there isn’t a damn thing you, myself, or anyone can do about it except…..to stay in bum****, ND.

[MSUBobcat]

And if the NCAA decides St. Louis is the place for the 26 or 27 title game to be played in, there isn’t a damn thing you, myself, or anyone can do about it except…..to stay in bum****, ND.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. xthumbsupx

(someone is seriously butthurt that folks think STL isn't a prime vacation destination....jebus)

[Bisonoline]

And if the NCAA decides St. Louis is the place for the 26 or 27 title game to be played in, there isn’t a damn thing you, myself, or anyone can do about it except…..to stay in bum****, ND.

And I will. I have no desire to go back to that **** hole. Ive been to St Louis and it sucks. Except for the hill. Pretty good eats.

[FUBeAR]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. xthumbsupx

(someone is seriously butthurt that folks think STL isn't a prime vacation destination....jebus)When FUBeAR was in the 7th grade, we had a 'new girl' move in from St. Louis.

FUBeAR's impression since is that the St. Louisans are a very generous and giving people.

[Bisonoline]

You'd be surprised the amount of money this game has brought to Frisco over the years. It's significant (as in more than most low-to-mid tier bowl games I'd bet) and I think you'd see a lot more places putting in bids if they thought they could get similar revenue from it.

We bring tons of money. Everytime Ive been to Frisco some restaurant manager has bought us dinner. We usually get there 3-4 days early so we can hit all of our fav eating places. When they see a NDSU couple they come over and engage us in conversation. Even had one manager apologize for having to opposing teams colors up and said management made him do it. He also said most waitresses and bartenders would rather work when we are in town as opposed to working New Years Eve.

[MSUBobcat]

When FUBeAR was in the 7th grade, we had a 'new girl' move in from St. Louis.

FUBeAR's impression since is that the St. Louisans are a very generous and giving people.

xlolxxlolx Not sure we need any more info on this topic.....

[Ridge1982]

Thanks, Captain Obvious. xthumbsupx

(someone is seriously butthurt that folks think STL isn't a prime vacation destination....jebus)

Big difference between wanting a different place to host the game and trashing it without either spending enough time there or hardly leaving your “cities”, and claiming that this particular town isn’t football crazed when all evidence point to the contrary.

I’ll say it again, be grateful anyone is giving this subdivision attention during a time when the FBS, NFL, NHL, NBA, and NCAABB are going on, and now Nashville will play host to it twice.

[Ridge1982]

And I will. I have no desire to go back to that **** hole. Ive been to St Louis and it sucks. Except for the hill. Pretty good eats.
You don’t get to talk about The Hill. You have enough beef up there to last a lifetime.

[Ridge1982]

We bring tons of money.

Yes, because there isn’t **** else to do in North Dakota:

[Bisonator]

Lol someone's salty as ****.xlolx

[MSUBobcat]

Lol someone's salty as ****.xlolx

It's like someone slapped his mama. Skin needs thickening, Jebus.

[Ridge1982]

Lol someone's salty as ****.xlolx
not as salty as living in North Dakota and Montana.

[Bisonator]

not as salty as living in North Dakota and Montana.
Oh man the geography jokes? That's so 2011....xlolx

[Bisonoline]

Yes, because there isn’t **** else to do in North Dakota:

You need to work on your game. Those are nothing but old worn out tropes. But I dont expext much from a lindenwooder.

PS I dont live in ND.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes, because there isn’t **** else to do in North Dakota:

Had to switch hotels in Missouri this trip. Bathroom at the Days Inn was full of cockroaches.

[MSUBobcat]

Big difference between wanting a different place to host the game and trashing it without either spending enough time there or hardly leaving your “cities”, and claiming that this particular town isn’t football crazed when all evidence point to the contrary.

I’ll say it again, be grateful anyone is giving this subdivision attention during a time when the FBS, NFL, NHL, NBA, and NCAABB are going on, and now Nashville will play host to it twice.

Again... Frisco makes BANK off of hosting the championship. I don't think we need to be grateful to ANYONE for taking our money. There's a reason these cities put in bids to host and it isn't out of the good of their heart. C'mon, man. Even you gotta see that.

[POD Knows]

Again... Frisco makes BANK off of hosting the championship. I don't think we need to be grateful to ANYONE for taking our money. There's a reason these cities put in bids to host and it isn't out of the good of their heart. C'mon, man. Even you gotta see that.
Frisco has a smaller town feel and they seem to be more openly supportive of the game than some of these big cities would/will be. If the game was in Vegas, do you think the businesses there would be attempting to cater to this, they wouldn't care or even know what was going on. Same with Houston and Orlando.

[MSUBobcat]

Frisco has a smaller town feel and they seem to be more openly supportive of the game than some of these big cities would/will be. If the game was in Vegas, do you think the businesses there would be attempting to cater to this, they wouldn't care or even know what was going on. Same with Houston and Orlando.

Perhaps. I've been to the Frozen Four before, typically held in arenas with capacities similar to Toyota Stadium and it sure seemed like the businesses were aware of why we were there and very accommodating/appreciative of the influx caused by the event being held there. I also attended the US Hockey HOF game between UND and ASU in Vegas a couple years back and people again were aware of the game (hard to ignore the sea of green), but to a much lesser extent, as you'd expect from a city that sees nonstop tourism 365 days/yr. My guess is Nashville hotels aren't typically filled to the brim in early January. Hell, I was there in April a couple years ago and it was fairly quiet downtown.

[POD Knows]

Perhaps. I've been to the Frozen Four before, typically held in arenas with capacities similar to Toyota Stadium and it sure seemed like the businesses were aware of why we were there and very accommodating/appreciative of the influx caused by the event being held there. I also attended the US Hockey HOF game between UND and ASU in Vegas a couple years back and people again were aware of the game (hard to ignore the sea of green), but to a much lesser extent, as you'd expect from a city that sees nonstop tourism 365 days/yr. My guess is Nashville hotels aren't typically filled to the brim in early January. Hell, I was there in April a couple years ago and it was fairly quiet downtown.
Agree and I think Nashville would do a better job at supporting this than an Orlando or Vegas would for the reasons you stated. Just curious, why did you go to a Frozen Four, didn't know there were any hockey fans in Montana.

[MSUBobcat]

Agree and I think Nashville would do a better job at supporting this than an Orlando or Vegas would for the reasons you stated. Just curious, why did you go to a Frozen Four, didn't know there were any hockey fans in Montana.

Orlando is a solid NO for me.... just no desire to return to that place.

There ARE hockey fans in MT (MSU's club team is actually pretty good), but I grew up in Mandan, apparently 1 class behind UND's new HC. My parents worked for BNSF and moved me to MT half way through my junior year of HS. Lost my ND residency, gained MT, otherwise it's probably likely I'd be a Sioux (have Sioux jerseys in all 3 colors-white, green and the black business suit). I was so pissed at my parents at the time, but after spending time in the mountains.... I'll never live in a flat place ever again.

[Pards Rule]

Had to switch hotels in Missouri this trip. Bathroom at the Days Inn was full of cockroaches.


Ewww...stay at Microtel Inn next time!

[Pards Rule]

Frisco has a smaller town feel and they seem to be more openly supportive of the game than some of these big cities would/will be. If the game was in Vegas, do you think the businesses there would be attempting to cater to this, they wouldn't care or even know what was going on. Same with Houston and Orlando.


1000% you know it. From a guy that has been in Fargo for Lafayette vs NDSU (loved it! Spent Thursday Am to Sunday AM that LDW), Orlando, Vegas, Nashville, Newark and I love to visit cities. Yes spent time in Newark too. Only been flying through STL on TWA way back in Sept 1991.

[DFW HOYA]

Nashville's a great place but the first time you don't have the Dakota fan bases showing up and it's suddenly UIW versus Richmond before 6,000 at Vanderbilt Stadium...oof.

[FUBeAR]

Nashville's a great place but the first time you don't have the Dakota fan bases showing up and it's suddenly UIW versus Richmond before 6,000 at Vanderbilt Stadium...oof.
The state of TN has been a pretty good location for this game in the past, attendance-wise...and, yes, it was more than a few years ago...and yes, a lot of the Teams are no longer in I-AA / FCS ...

You could be right, but to pre-suppose it as a definite eventuality seems a tad pessimistic.

LET's MATH IT!!!



Yr
Teams (current
FCS in Bold)
Location
Attendance
Extrapolated
Attendance
(Total Attendance/2)
of 1 Team(if
currently in FCS)
FUBeAR
Mathing
(Avg of
2 Current
Team
games)/2)
Estimated, Projected,
Extrapolated (Waffle House
math) Attendance of
Non-"Dakota
fan base" Teams at
Championship game in
State of TN


97
YSU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
14,771


14,771


98
UMass-GaSO
Chattanooga, TN
17,501


xxxxxx


99
GaSO-YSU
Chattanooga, TN
20,052
10,026
7,475
17,501


00
GaSO-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,156
8,578
7,475
16,053


01
Mont-Furman
Chattanooga, TN
12,698


12,698


02
WKU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
12,360
6,180
7,475
13,655


03
Dela-Colgate
Chattanooga, TN
14,281
7,141
7,475
14,616


04
JMU-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
15,599
7,800
7,475
15,275


05
App St-UNI
Chattanooga, TN
19,219
9,610
7,475
17,085


06
App St-UMass
Chattanooga, TN
22,808


xxxxxx


07
App St-Dela
Chattanooga, TN
23,010


xxxxxx


08
Richmond-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,823


17,823


09
Nova-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
14,328


14,328







ESTIMATED AVG
ATTENDANCE OF
CURRENT FCS,
NON-"DAKOTA FAN
BASE" TEAMS IN
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
IN STATE OF TN
15,381




AVG with either or both of the "Dakota fan bases" attending since 2011 has been 19,617 - significantly better, but not CRAY, CRAY better.


FUBeAR remains optimistic. Perhaps they can get the Hawk Tuah girl to do the coin flip ... without using her hands, maybe.

[Pards Rule]

The state of TN has been a pretty good location for this game in the past, attendance-wise...and, yes, it was more than a few years ago...and yes, a lot of the Teams are no longer in I-AA / FCS ...

You could be right, but to pre-suppose it as a definite eventuality seems a tad pessimistic.

LET's MATH IT!!!



Yr
Teams (current
FCS in Bold)
Location
Attendance
Extrapolated
Attendance
(Total Attendance/2)
of 1 Team(if
currently in FCS)
FUBeAR
Mathing
(Avg of
2 Current
Team
games)/2)
Estimated, Projected,
Extrapolated (Waffle House
math) Attendance of
Non-"Dakota
fan base" Teams at
Championship game in
State of TN


97
YSU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
14,771


14,771


98
UMass-GaSO
Chattanooga, TN
17,501


xxxxxx


99
GaSO-YSU
Chattanooga, TN
20,052
10,026
7,475
17,501


00
GaSO-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,156
8,578
7,475
16,053


01
Mont-Furman
Chattanooga, TN
12,698


12,698


02
WKU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
12,360
6,180
7,475
13,655


03
Dela-Colgate
Chattanooga, TN
14,281
7,141
7,475
14,616


04
JMU-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
15,599
7,800
7,475
15,275


05
App St-UNI
Chattanooga, TN
19,219
9,610
7,475
17,085


06
App St-UMass
Chattanooga, TN
22,808


xxxxxx


07
App St-Dela
Chattanooga, TN
23,010


xxxxxx


08
Richmond-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,823


17,823


09
Nova-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
14,328


14,328







ESTIMATED AVG
ATTENDANCE OF
CURRENT FCS,
NON-"DAKOTA FAN
BASE" TEAMS IN
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
IN STATE OF TN
15,381




AVG with either or both of the "Dakota fan bases" attending since 2011 has been 19,617 - significantly better, but not CRAY, CRAY better.


FUBeAR remains optimistic. Perhaps they can get the Hawk Tuah girl to do the coin flip ... without using her hands, maybe.


Good stuff. Also of note, I think all of these games were in mid December before expanded playoffs pushed them to early Jan. Mid Dec with all that is going on is a tougher time to schedule a weekend trip

[caribbeanhen]

Orlando is a solid NO for me.... just no desire to return to that place.

There ARE hockey fans in MT (MSU's club team is actually pretty good), but I grew up in Mandan, apparently 1 class behind UND's new HC. My parents worked for BNSF and moved me to MT half way through my junior year of HS. Lost my ND residency, gained MT, otherwise it's probably likely I'd be a Sioux (have Sioux jerseys in all 3 colors-white, green and the black business suit). I was so pissed at my parents at the time, but after spending time in the mountains.... I'll never live in a flat place ever again.

Spent 12 weeks in Orlando in 1982,,, the OBT was the place to be as long as you had ones and weren't driving. Today, nobody would know that game even was being played on Orlando but it would be warm and you still have lot's to do to kill a few days before of after the game...

Trying to think of some smaller type settings that could host the game and have some general interest in the game but the Ross sea type climate is a big turn off

[Pards Rule]

Spent 12 weeks in Orlando in 1982,,, the OBT was the place to be as long as you had ones and weren't driving. Today, nobody would know that game even was being played on Orlando but it would be warm and you still have lot's to do to kill a few days before of after the game...

Trying to think of some smaller type settings that could host the game and have some general interest in the game but the Ross sea type climate is a big turn off

Mobile?

[ysubigred]

Mobile?
Louisville!

[Gil Dobie]

The state of TN has been a pretty good location for this game in the past, attendance-wise...and, yes, it was more than a few years ago...and yes, a lot of the Teams are no longer in I-AA / FCS ...

You could be right, but to pre-suppose it as a definite eventuality seems a tad pessimistic.

LET's MATH IT!!!



Yr
Teams (current
FCS in Bold)
Location
Attendance
Extrapolated
Attendance
(Total Attendance/2)
of 1 Team(if
currently in FCS)
FUBeAR
Mathing
(Avg of
2 Current
Team
games)/2)
Estimated, Projected,
Extrapolated (Waffle House
math) Attendance of
Non-"Dakota
fan base" Teams at
Championship game in
State of TN


97
YSU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
14,771


14,771


98
UMass-GaSO
Chattanooga, TN
17,501


xxxxxx


99
GaSO-YSU
Chattanooga, TN
20,052
10,026
7,475
17,501


00
GaSO-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,156
8,578
7,475
16,053


01
Mont-Furman
Chattanooga, TN
12,698


12,698


02
WKU-McNeese
Chattanooga, TN
12,360
6,180
7,475
13,655


03
Dela-Colgate
Chattanooga, TN
14,281
7,141
7,475
14,616


04
JMU-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
15,599
7,800
7,475
15,275


05
App St-UNI
Chattanooga, TN
19,219
9,610
7,475
17,085


06
App St-UMass
Chattanooga, TN
22,808


xxxxxx


07
App St-Dela
Chattanooga, TN
23,010


xxxxxx


08
Richmond-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
17,823


17,823


09
Nova-Mont
Chattanooga, TN
14,328


14,328







ESTIMATED AVG
ATTENDANCE OF
CURRENT FCS,
NON-"DAKOTA FAN
BASE" TEAMS IN
CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
IN STATE OF TN
15,381




AVG with either or both of the "Dakota fan bases" attending since 2011 has been 19,617 - significantly better, but not CRAY, CRAY better.


FUBeAR remains optimistic. Perhaps they can get the Hawk Tuah girl to do the coin flip ... without using her hands, maybe.

GSU and App St Drew big crowds.

[ysubigred]

GSU and App St Drew big crowds.
I was at the 97 and 99 games.. YSU was well represented in both. 16 in Frisco YSU was outnumbered 10 to 1

I think moving the FCS championship game a bit more central to the geography of all teams would help with attendance but let's face it FCS is not a big crowd pleaser.

[Hammerhead]

GSU and App St Drew big crowds.

It also helped that they are close enough to Chattanooga to make it a day trip.

[FUBeAR]

GSU and App St Drew big crowds.
In this FUBeAR / Waffle House mathing exercise, GaSou’s attendance is a rather small component of the maths considered and even fewer of Appy’s crowds were mathed into this ‘result.’

[caribbeanhen]

Mobile?

funny, after 12 weeks in Orlando I was sent to a Polar Icebreaker homeported in Mobile, Alabama rolled into to town a clueless 19 year old..... had to watch some 1AA Playoffs, Delaware at Louisiana Tech that was played in a monsoon, at the Sears and Roebuck as they wouldn't let me in the Pub across the street ...

Although the natives became so very friendly towards CH by the time he left, I'm so lucky I left and didn't get stuck there...

So a Big no on Mobile, maybe a little further west near Biloxi

[nodak651]

I agree. Better destination also makes it more likely for people who have tickets to go to the game if their team doesn't make it. Part of the reason the college hockey frozen four has been successful in so many different destinations is because college hockey fans go to the frozen four whether their team makes it or not. Nashville would help a ton to make attendance less dependent on the fanbases of the teams that make it, imo. Pretty much nobody wants to go to Frisco Texas for a fun vacation (if their team isn't playing) and anyone who does is a 0.01 % diehard fcs fan who probably either posts here or runs an fcs podcast.

[Pards Rule]

GSU and App St Drew big crowds.


Proximity my friend...proximity in mid December (see my post above)

[Baron Sardonicus]

...

To answer the question in your signature...neither one, but maybe Hopkins.

[Sitting Bull]

The Frisco Bowl looked about half empty last night, a game where Memphis knocked off West Virginia, 42-37. Announced attendance was 12,022. Unlike other Frisco Bowls, this one actually had a P4 participant, WVU.

Odd to think the place will again be packed to the gills with 10 times the excitement in a few weeks for the FCS Championship game.

[MSUBobcat]

I agree. Better destination also makes it more likely for people who have tickets to go to the game if their team doesn't make it. Part of the reason the college hockey frozen four has been successful in so many different destinations is because college hockey fans go to the frozen four whether their team makes it or not. Nashville would help a ton to make attendance less dependent on the fanbases of the teams that make it, imo. Pretty much nobody wants to go to Frisco Texas for a fun vacation (if their team isn't playing) and anyone who does is a 0.01 % diehard fcs fan who probably either posts here or runs an fcs podcast.

Ironically... the 2025 Frozen Four in April will be held in..... St. Louis. Throwing a bone to Ridge1234. But then again... STL is actually a hockey town xsmiley_wix

As to whether a place like Vegas would even know if the FF or FCS championship was in town, they cared enough to bid on and win hosting the 2026 Frozen Four. 20k additional people descending on any town will always be noticed, even more so when the event is early-mid Jan and early-mid April, which aren't typically high-tourism times of the year. For Jan 4-7, there's rooms in Vegas as low as $39/night at the Linq (Expedia member price anyway), $133 for MGM Grand, $166 for Mandalay Bay, etc. For April 9-13 (the dates for the Frozen Four), it's a bit more expensive: $124 for the Linq, $165 for Luxor, $170 for NYNY, etc., but I guarantee those will be bargains compared to the same period in 2026 when the FF will be in town.

[Pards Rule]

The Frisco Bowl looked about half empty last night, a game where Memphis knocked off West Virginia, 42-37. Announced attendance was 12,022. Unlike other Frisco Bowls, this one actually had a P4 participant, WVU.

Odd to think the place will again be packed to the gills with 10 times the excitement in a few weeks for the FCS Championship game.

I recall an FCS championship game I think Nova vs EWU where they put tarps over many unoccupied seats

[caribbeanhen]

I recall an FCS championship game I think Nova vs EWU where they put tarps over many unoccupied seats

that championship game hasn't been played yet, but as memory serves, it was a semifinal game because Nova lost as they were to scared to play Delaware in the finals