Patriot League Pick 'Em - Week 4

[DFW HOYA]

All games available on ESPN+.

Princeton (0-0) at Lehigh (2-1), 12:00 pm
Lafayette (2-1) at Columbia (0-0), 12:30 pm
Cornell (0-0) at Colgate (0-3), 1:00 pm
Fordham (0-3) at Dartmouth (0-0), 1:00 pm
Brown (0-0) at Georgetown (2-1), 1:00 pm
Yale (0-0) at Holy Cross (1-2), 2:00 pm
Marist (0-2) at Bucknell (1-2), 6:00 pm

[pardfan]

Princeton
Lafayette
Colgate
Fordham
Brown
Yale
Bucknell

I refuse to believe that Colgate and Fordham might each lose four-in-a-row.
Lehigh beating Princeton. A 3-1 start. That would be a big deal IMO.

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[Go Green]

Princeton
Lafayette
Colgate
Fordham
Brown
Yale
Bucknell

I refuse to believe that Colgate and Fordham might each lose four-in-a-row.


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Fordham has serious injury issues. Even if they can play, I'd expect them to rest this Saturday against a non-conference opponent.

[Southsider]

LU should hang with Princeton. We'll see. However, listening to LU on Fox Sports Lehigh Valley is just brutal! I was not able to watch so I tuned in. Matt Kerr is just unbearable. He is never sure where the ball is and gives too much detail on how a play unfolded. Again, never mentioning where LU is on the field. After 25 years (just guessing) I would hope there is someone better. Just venting but I long for the days when games were on WGPA/AM. Bill Zimpher was a gem!

[bonarae]

Lehigh
Lafayette
Colgate
Dartmouth
Georgetown
Holy Cross
Bucknell

[Go...gate]

I believe Princeton and Cornell are beatable.

[The Cats]

Princeton (0-0) at Lehigh (2-1), 12:00 pm
Lafayette (2-1) at Columbia (0-0), 12:30 pm
Cornell (0-0) at Colgate (0-3), 1:00 pm
Fordham (0-3) at Dartmouth (0-0), 1:00 pm
Brown (0-0) at Georgetown (2-1), 1:00 pm
Yale (0-0) at Holy Cross (1-2), 2:00 pm
Marist (0-2) at Bucknell (1-2), 6:00 pm

[ngineer]

Columbia has improved over the years, but Inwould be stunned if ‘Pards don’t win by at least two TDs, Laf, 34-17

Cornell has not been good since…? A must win for Raiders…and they will, 24-17

Based on the injury reports, and wounded psyche, this could be a blow out, Dartmouth, 34-16

Hoyas at home will get another win as Bruins expense, 27-20.

”Eli’s coming….’ to Fitton Field. I expect a hard fought close game with the winning team making the fewest mistakes. Bulldogs will be seeking revenge and get it, 28-17.

Whatever is left of Marist will shuffle out to Lewisburg and provide some balm for the Bison’s surprising loss to VMI. Bison win 35-17.

Lehigh is not “back”, but the newly motivated Mountain Hawks have shown marked improvement from last year’s product. On paper, they don’t match up well with Princeton, but games aren’t played on paper. In week 1, some key mistakes resulted in a lopsided score. A week later they were causing turnovers and taking advantage of mistakes. Week three they fought a skilled LIU team.and found a way to win. Can they take another step forward..?
I think they will, but not sure it will be enough. Expecting Lehigh to keep close and look for the key turnover or stop. I hope I am wrong, but realistically, I am calling it for Princeton, 31-27.

[Wolffan]

Princeton
Lafayette
Colgate
Dartmouth
Georgetown
Holy Cross
Bucknell

HC, with two (very) close losses to mid-pack CAA and one comfortable win over lower-pack CAA, looks like strong contenders for PL championship. Even with their enormous drop off in talent (due to graduation).

Yale’s opening their season and working out the kinks versus a HC team playing their fourth game and starting to click. Bad timing for Yale.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Stopped over the Fordham board to get a "feel" for the temperature in the room regarding Conlin. Saw that a player's mom posted a pretty detailed assessment of the current issues facing the Ram football program.. Interestingly, she kept referring to Coaching Conlin as Coach Conlon which tells us something.

Still, I really don't believe going into such detail about "systematic issues with the coaching" on a public forum was the best decision. The toothpaste is out of the tube now....

[bonarae]

Now, when will Conlin be canned? He shouldn't last after the end of this month.

[Pards Rule]

Stopped over the Fordham board to get a "feel" for the temperature in the room regarding Conlin. Saw that a player's mom posted a pretty detailed assessment of the current issues facing the Ram football program.. Interestingly, she kept referring to Coaching Conlin as Coach Conlon which tells us something.

Still, I really don't believe going into such detail about "systematic issues with the coaching" on a public forum was the best decision. The toothpaste is out of the tube now....


Link?

[DFW HOYA]

Stopped over the Fordham board to get a "feel" for the temperature in the room regarding Conlin. Saw that a player's mom posted a pretty detailed assessment of the current issues facing the Ram football program.. Interestingly, she kept referring to Coaching Conlin as Coach Conlon which tells us something.

The poster clarified that she was not a player's mom, but an alumna.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The poster clarified that she was not a player's mom, but an alumna.

Yeah that whole "thing" was interesting....

[crusader11]

"systematic issues with the coaching"

What does that even mean?

[Franks Tanks]

The poster clarified that she was not a player's mom, but an alumna.

Pretty sure she’s just a mom, not a players mom, and just posted a bunch of surface level analysis.

Did I miss some insider info there? She claims he “lost the locker room”. Ya, locker rooms are pissy after a stretch of bad football.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What does that even mean?

Who knows, but the previous Fordham board was shutdown for similar posts. I just hope this one doesn't have the same ramifications.

[crusader11]

Who knows, but the previous Fordham board was shutdown for similar posts. I just hope this one doesn't have the same ramifications.

See what you did there.

[ngineer]

Who knows, but the previous Fordham board was shutdown for similar posts. I just hope this one doesn't have the same ramifications.

Good pun!

- - - Updated - - -

[Lehigh Football Nation]

https://twitter.com/3KevinShea/status/1836065602361757962

Awful news. Wish him a full, speedy recovery.

[bonarae]

Meanwhile, with Fuller's injury, could the needle move to the Elis' direction?

[JimKLU72]

LU should hang with Princeton. We'll see. However, listening to LU on Fox Sports Lehigh Valley is just brutal! I was not able to watch so I tuned in. Matt Kerr is just unbearable. He is never sure where the ball is and gives too much detail on how a play unfolded. Again, never mentioning where LU is on the field. After 25 years (just guessing) I would hope there is someone better. Just venting but I long for the days when games were on WGPA/AM. Bill Zimpher was a gem!
Bill Z went on to do Penn State play by play as well as work at WIP. Bill was a Great broadcaster. Matt is a relic of the Lehigh Valley’s am radio top 40 heydays of the 70’s when he was a news guy at WAEB. That’s a long, long, long time ago.

It’s long since time for Matt to pass the gig on to somebody like the basketball play by play guy Tom Fallon.

[Franks Tanks]

Bill Z went on to do Penn State play by play as well as work at WIP. Bill was a Great broadcaster. Matt is a relic of the Lehigh Valley’s am radio top 40 heydays of the 70’s when he was a news guy at WAEB. That’s a long, long, long time ago.

It’s long since time for Matt to pass the gig on to somebody like the basketball play by play guy Tom Fallon.

It may be apathy. No snark, but how many people are still tuning in to Lehigh games on AM radio?

Lafayette has been without AM coverage for about 15 years since the demise of WEST with the venerable Dick Hammer on the call (yes, that’s his real name).

[crusader11]

It's been a while since the PL has had better than a .500 record against the Ivy in a season. Let's change that.

2023: 6-7
2022: 2-9
2021: 3-10
2019: 4-7
2018: 2-8
2017: 2-10
2016: 8-6

[Fordham]

Pretty sure she’s just a mom, not a players mom, and just posted a bunch of surface level analysis.

Did I miss some insider info there? She claims he “lost the locker room”. Ya, locker rooms are pissy after a stretch of bad football.

meh. This is way overblown imo. Whoever she is, she actually made some clear and imo valid points without getting overly vitriolic. This thread is making more out of things by focusing so much on this one poster and the ensuing back and forth there imo.

That's not meant to excuse the fact that this is a disastrous start for us so far. Our AD just left and that may save Conlin his job for the near term, barring a nice turn around. The new AD will have his or her own timeline and it certainly looks like we're headed that way based on this season's start. Can't believe anyone in this thread would have picked us this weekend based on how these first 3 games have gone

[Southsider]

It may be apathy. No snark, but how many people are still tuning in to Lehigh games on AM radio?

Lafayette has been without AM coverage for about 15 years since the demise of WEST with the venerable Dick Hammer on the call (yes, that’s his real name).


I'm sure not many listen Tanks. LU is on both AM and FM. I always listen when away games are not on ESPN+.

[Go...gate]

It's been a while since the PL has had better than a .500 record against the Ivy in a season. Let's change that.

2023: 6-7
2022: 2-9
2021: 3-10
2019: 4-7
2018: 2-8
2017: 2-10
2016: 8-6

Amen.

[Go...gate]

https://twitter.com/3KevinShea/status/1836065602361757962

Awful news. Wish him a full, speedy recovery.


+1

Prayers for the young man.

[Sader87]

HC football no longer has "ovah the air" radio broadcasts as well. I believe Bob Fouracre essentially kept it going this Century but with his passing there seemed to be no station or market to pick it up. Bob was an institution in HC broadcasting history....covering Crusader sports for roughly 50 years.

[bulldog10jw]

HC football no longer has "ovah the air" radio broadcasts as well. I believe Bob Fouracre essentially kept it going this Century but with his passing there seemed to be no station or market to pick it up. Bob was an institution in HC broadcasting history....covering Crusader sports for roughly 50 years.

Yale last had radio broadcasts in 2019. Even if Yale was on TV I would turn down the sound and listen to the Yale broadcast on my computer even though they were never perfectly in sync. I called WELI the long time Yale broadcast station and they said it was Yale's decision, not theirs.

[Pards Rule]

Bill Z went on to do Penn State play by play as well as work at WIP. Bill was a Great broadcaster. Matt is a relic of the Lehigh Valley’s am radio top 40 heydays of the 70’s when he was a news guy at WAEB. That’s a long, long, long time ago.

It’s long since time for Matt to pass the gig on to somebody like the basketball play by play guy Tom Fallon.

I remember listening to WAEB on my port radio in the early 80s at LC. And WEST. Are they both now specialized content?

[Pards Rule]

Yale last had radio broadcasts in 2019. Even if Yale was on TV I would turn down the sound and listen to the Yale broadcast on my computer even though they were never perfectly in sync. I called WELI the long time Yale broadcast station and they said it was Yale's decision, not theirs.


Yeah campus station for Pards WJRH hasnt done Pard broadcasts for a while. Is it your school and others saving money on away games? How about just broadcasting home game OR are they NOT allowed to do that with ESPN criteris? I know I was late to get to the Bucknell game a few years ago because of washout detour on Rt 611 that honored Bill Russo and tried to get WJRH coverage of the game but no luck. BTW WJRH stands for James Renwick Hogg who donated Hogg Hall where the station has had its home throughout the years. It is on the quad to the left of Farinon Building.

[bulldog10jw]

. Is it your school and others saving money on away games?

I have never been able to get an answer. You would think ad revenue would pay for the broadcasts. I'm guessing it has to do with ESPN+

[Pards Rule]

I have never been able to get an answer. You would think ad revenue would pay for the broadcasts. I'm guessing it has to do with ESPN+


And WTF they have non disclosure with ESPN?! JUST SAY IT! SAY IT!! Sam Kinnison channel...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

And WTF they have non disclosure with ESPN?! JUST SAY IT! SAY IT!! Sam Kinnison channel...

Sam knew football greatness....

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/04/24/14/84031815-13345043-image-a-5_1713963607062.jpg

[Wolffan]

Meanwhile, with Fuller's injury, could the needle move to the Elis' direction? HC graduated 35 seniors including all of their stars [who are now FBS/NFL] minus one, Fuller. So the injury is a big blow to the already-depleted squad. Could be the difference (and overcome the home crowd and game 4/game 1 HC advantages).

[IslandPard]

I refuse to believe that Colgate and Fordham might each lose four-in-a-row.
Lehigh beating Princeton. A 3-1 start. That would be a big deal IMO.

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Big game for Lehigh. We'll see if the program's trajectory has really changed.

Princeton
Lafayette - It's Columbia. But it's also not Marist. Should be an interesting game as well. Columbia possibly starting a transfer QB from Northwestern.
Colgate
Dartmouth
Gtown
Yale
Bucknell

[Lehigh Football Nation]

I really like listening to the radio broadcast for Lehigh honestly and when I don't get to a game I mute the ESPN+ feed and listen to the streaming radio. I know at the FCS level it's different (the TV feeds, while "carried" by ESPN+, are really created and produced by the schools themselves), but for road games especially I find it's good practice to mute ESPN commentary whenever possible and listen to people who really do care about the team and program.

It's just a thing of mine - I do the same with the Eagles and Saints (when I get the XM feed in my car). The radio guys just are more knowledgeable and localized and know the people and stories better.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Princeton
Lafayette
Colgate
Dartmouth
Brown
Yale
Bucknell

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lafayette 38 Columbia 20: Pards should win comfortably...
Colgate 27 Cornell 17: The Raiders desperately need this one...
Dartmouth 34 Fordham 13: The Rams are a dumpster fire....
Georgetown 24 Brown 19: This feels like a coin-flip game, I'll take the Hoyas only because they're at home.
Bucknell 40 Marist 21: The Bison rebound from a disappointing effort against Merrimack...
Yale 28 Holy Cross 14: I have Yale #15 in the country so this says more about the Eli than the Crusaders...
Princeton 31 Lehigh 27: Princeton, while very talented, is not quite at Yale's or Harvard's level, at least in week 1 so I expect this one to go down to the wire. Ultimately, I think Princeton is still slightly ahead of the curve relative to the Mountain Hawks.

One of Colgate, Holy Cross or Lehigh has to win imo. Those three all losing would be a brutal look. 2-1 seems possible and while the odds of 3-0 aren't very high, I could see it IF Lehigh and Holy Cross have what it takes to be relevant nationally.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Lafayette 28 Columbia 13 - Lafayette will win, but it won't be the cupcake people think.
Colgate 30 Cornell 23 - Colgate really needs this one, and I think they'll get it, but it won't be easy.
Dartmouth 42 Fordham 10 - Too injured and demoralized to make this a competitive game.
Brown 35 Georgetown 15 - Think Sacred Heart might have exposed the Hoyas a bit.
Bucknell 31 Marist 21 - A Bucknell win, but closer than you think.
Yale 35 Holy Cross 17 - Without Fuller, feels like a tall order to beat the best team in the Ivy.
Princeton 27 Lehigh 20 - (https://www.college-sports-journal.com/princeton-at-lehigh-9-21-2024-football-is-so-back-baby/)Lehigh is much improved, but I think the Tigers have enough to beat a very young Mountain Hawk team.

[Go...gate]

Lafayette 30, Columbia 16

Colgate 22, Cornell 17

Fordham 28 Dartmouth 24

Georgetown 23, Brown 21

Bucknell 34, Marist 17

Yale 27, Holy Cross 20

Lehigh 24, Princeton 21

[ngineer]

It may be apathy. No snark, but how many people are still tuning in to Lehigh games on AM radio?

Lafayette has been without AM coverage for about 15 years since the demise of WEST with the venerable Dick Hammer on the call (yes, that’s his real name).

Well, this curmudgeon still does on my drive home from Goodman listening to the ost game show. I really miss listening to the high school games on WEST….

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! #51 for Princeton is going have nightmares about Yoder. Yoder sent him flying about 5 yards on a block then Yoder just ran him over on the way to the end zone...

Lehigh 7 Princeton 0 9:43 1Q

[ElCid]

TD Lehigh! #51 for Princeton is going have nightmares about Yoder. Yoder sent him flying about 5 yards on a block then Yoder just ran him over on the way to the end zone...

Lehigh 7 Princeton 0 9:43 1Q

Princeton looks terrible. That's not taking away anything from Lehigh, but wow. Maybe it's just this is their first game.

[IslandPard]

7 - 0 Columbia. They scored 2 mins into the game and are threatening again. ugh!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton looks terrible. That's not taking away anything from Lehigh, but wow. Maybe it's just this is their first game.

Princeton woke up! Their QB made two perfect throws on that drive....

Lehigh 7 Princeton 7 5:50 1Q

[ElCid]

Princeton woke up! Their QB made two perfect throws on that drive....

Lehigh 7 Princeton 7 5:50 1Q

Yeah they looked better on that drive. They were really nice passes.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! Great drive!

Lehigh 14 Pinceton 7 8:54 2Q

[IslandPard]

Columbia's QB is a problem. 17-6 Columbia

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! Setup by nice strike between Johnson and Humphrey!

Lehigh 21 Princeton 7 5:40 2Q


Also of note...
LIU 14 URI 7 Half

[CHIP72]

Wow, I’m surprised by the 2nd quarter scores of both Lehigh’s and Lafayette’s games, for opposite reasons.


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[ElCid]

Wow, I’m surprised by the 2nd quarter scores of both Lehigh’s and Lafayette’s games, for opposite reasons.


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Yeah I've been flipping between those games and Lafayette doesn't look like a top 25 team today.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't get why you are in the shotgun from the 1! Lehigh has a great chance to go up 28-7 but Princeton gets the stop. very questionable decisions by the lehigh staff...

[CHIP72]

I don't get why you are in the shotgun from the 1! Lehigh has a great chance to go up 28-7 but Princeton gets the stop. very questionable decisions by the lehigh staff...

Just about everybody does that nowadays, in both college and the NFL. It is so ****ing stupid!!!


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh wasted two opportunities to add point before half. Just missed a 44 yard field goal after a bad sack; frosh QB had plenty of time to get rid of the ball. This could come back to haunt the Mountain Hawks. Being in shotgun on 3rd and 4th and goal from 1 just makes no sense. Tigers get the ball to start the second half...

Lehigh 21 Princeton 7 Half

[Lehigh'98]

Good half from LU. Best they’ve looked in a long time. They left some points off the board though and Princeton still has life. They really should let Frosh QB play the 2nd half. He’s throwing darts out there.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Good half from LU. Best they’ve looked in a long time. They left some points off the board though and Princeton still has life. They really should let Frosh QB play the 2nd half. He’s throwing darts out there.

Lehigh's combination of speed and physicality was very impressive! The little things is what will get haunt a young team. Granted, Princeton's punt team has has executed at a pee wee level....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton is going to go for most 4th and short in the second half. Defense will be tested...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton scores on their opening possession of the second half. Another big pass play for the Tigers. Lehigh's offense needs to step up....

Lehigh 21 Princeton 14 10:34 2Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh's offense goes 3 and out. Princeton has all the momentum. I don't like the trajectory of this one. Especially after that goal line sequence...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh gets a huge stop on 4th down! The offense must do something though or the defense is going to wear down...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh is on the march, they'll have 1st and 10 deep in Tiger territory! Need points! This is a possession game. That's why I would have been ok with a chip shot FG and a 24-7 lead...

Lehigh 21 Princeton 14 Start 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! Great pass play and moves in the open field! Wow! What a response with Johnson in at QB! He has earned the job!

Lehigh 28 Princeton 14:10 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton has some extremely talented WRs...

BTW, Lehigh's field is in rough shape. Have they forgot to water the grass?

[Pards Rule]

Pards got totally owned today. Steward was out. We deserve to drop out of top 25. Nice knowing you

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Princeton just got their own version of the immaculate reception on 4th and goal for a TD...my goodness...

Tigers go for 2 and don't get it....

Lehigh 28 Princeton 20 9:54 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Lehigh! What a great drive!! wow!

Lehigh 35 Princeton 20 6:49 4Q

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh stops Princeton on a yet another 4th down! Mountain Hawk with about 6 minutes left!

[crusader11]

Has Fordham packed it in already?

The time has come for Conlin.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

With the INT to seal the deal! What a win! Best win since Lafayette in 2017 to clinch the title but best quality of opponent win since 2016. This team has some legit dudes!

Lehigh really dominated this game. I'll be interested to see the stats!

[bulldog10jw]

With the INT to seal the deal! What a win! Best win since Lafayette in 2017 to clinch the title but best quality of opponent win since 2016. This team has some legit dudes!

Lehigh really dominated this game. I'll be interested to see the stats!

Congrats to Lehigh. See you guys in a month.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh gets another INT on 4th down to officially turn out the lights. Princeton barely had 200 yards of offense, I think they're at -20 yards rushing. Just and awesome performance by Lehigh and the staff. Some guys did get banged up though...

Lehigh 35 Princeton 20 Final

[Pards Rule]

Congrats Hawks! Pards laid the proverbial egg in Manhattan today...31-20...seriously worse loss in Troxell renewal. Colgate loss last year at least was in OT.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Has Fordham packed it in already?

The time has come for Conlin.

It's amazing how quickly the wheels have come off. Despite the the AD variables I don't see how he survives this...

[Sader87]

Yale-HC is a good battle....17 all H....lot of hard hitting, no love lost between these 2 fine institutions it seems

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Just getting caught up on today's action...

Holy Cross 24 Yale 24 11:34 4Q
Colgate 41 Cornell 24 Final
Dartmouth 45 Fordham 13 Final
Brown 26 Georgetown 14 Final
Columbia 31 Lafayette 20 Final

Is this the Lions first ever win over a Top 25 1-AA/FCS team? Top 15?

[Southsider]

Big Win for LU! Total Team effort. Honestly, this score could have/should have been worse for Princeton. A few of you mentioned the turf. Hopefully they have plans to replace it in the offseason. On the Bucknell!

[Pards Rule]

Eli Steward Lafayette WR out today with shoulder injury. Nonetheless a very bad loss. Defense gave up way too much. Offense needed TDs instrad of FGs.

[Lehigh'98]

This HC-Yale game is very good in the rain. Tough penalty on Cross just now. Yale driving 31-31. 2:00 left.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wow, HC called for PI on 4th and 6?!?!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yale scores with 12 seconds left! What an ending. I do feel bad for HC though. That PI call was...umm....questionable?

Yale 38 Holy Cross 31 0:12 4Q

[DFW HOYA]

Yale scores with 12 seconds left! What an ending. I do feel bad for HC though. That PI call was...umm....questionable?


The PF on the earlier tackle, even moreso.

[Doc QB]

I really like listening to the radio broadcast for Lehigh honestly and when I don't get to a game I mute the ESPN+ feed and listen to the streaming radio. I know at the FCS level it's different (the TV feeds, while "carried" by ESPN+, are really created and produced by the schools themselves), but for road games especially I find it's good practice to mute ESPN commentary whenever possible and listen to people who really do …
As one of the FoxSport Lehigh Valley color guys LU football, and doing Princeton game, many thanks LFN

[Son of Eli]

It's been a while since the PL has had better than a .500 record against the Ivy in a season. Let's change that.

2023: 6-7
2022: 2-9
2021: 3-10
2019: 4-7
2018: 2-8
2017: 2-10
2016: 8-6

The more things change, the more they are the same. Patriot League 2-4 against the Ivy League today.

[NY Crusader 2010]

So in 2022 Holy Cross went 2-0 against the Ivy League and the rest of the PL 0-9. Wow.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Yale scores with 12 seconds left! What an ending. I do feel bad for HC though. That PI call was...umm....questionable?

Yale 38 Holy Cross 31 0:12 4Q

It wasn't a bad call in itself. What stunk is that the umpire in the middle of the field who was right there didn't call it...but the line judge did. Like another poster said, the PF call was more egregious. Between the two, you could say we were jobbed, another tough loss.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

So in 2022 Holy Cross went 2-0 against the Ivy League and the rest of the PL 0-9. Wow.

I'm not sure what Lehigh's record was against the Ivies from 1997 through 2016 but I have to believe it was very good. And that was with a healthy dose of Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Penn.....

[DFW HOYA]

Meanwhile in Washington, Georgetown's second half series against the worst defense in the Ivy League:

--QB Fumble
--INT
--Three and out
--Three and out
--Failed on 4th down
--Three and out
--Four and out
--Failed on 4th down

(FWIW, the Hoyas have apparently lost four OL starters to injury per the ESPN+broadcast.)

They started 2-0, but that's a recipe for 2-9. Next week, Columbia.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Did a little digging...

When Lehigh has been good they have generally dominated the Ivy League...

From 1997 through 2016 Lehigh was 38-16....

From 1997-2005 they were 23-3 and from 2010-2016 they were 13-3.

Amazingly, this was Lehigh's first win over the IL since 2016! Just another reflection of how far the program had fallen....

[Pards Rule]

Just getting caught up on today's action...

Holy Cross 24 Yale 24 11:34 4Q
Colgate 41 Cornell 24 Final
Dartmouth 45 Fordham 13 Final
Brown 26 Georgetown 14 Final
Columbia 31 Lafayette 20 Final

Is this the Lions first ever win over a Top 25 1-AA/FCS team? Top 15?


I think it is for the Lions.

[Son of Eli]

The Yale-Holy Cross game pitted the Patriot League champions for the past five years versus the Ivy League Champion in four of the last six years. The game lived up to expectations. This is what an Ivy-Patriot Bowl could look like. Would be even more compelling now that Richmond is joining the Patriot League.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Pete Lembo has it going in Buffalo...

Buffalo 23 #23 Northern Illinois 20 F/OT

The FBS teams the PL have lost to have generally played pretty well this year.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The Yale-Holy Cross game pitted the Patriot League champions for the past five years versus the Ivy League Champion in four of the last six years. The game lived up to expectations. This is what an Ivy-Patriot Bowl could look like. Would be even more compelling now that Richmond is joining the Patriot League.

I'm looking forward to Lehigh's trip to the Yale Bowl next month. I have my eye on that game as well as K-State at West Virginia. I'm planning on attending one of them...

[Go Green]

Has Fordham packed it in already?

The time has come for Conlin.

No shame in losing to Dartmouth. Lots of teams do. :)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bucknell 27 Marist 7 1:54 2Q

Bison rolling...

[DFW HOYA]

Did a little digging...

When Lehigh has been good they have generally dominated the Ivy League...
From 1997 through 2016 Lehigh was 38-16....
From 1997-2005 they were 23-3 and from 2010-2016 they were 13-3.
Amazingly, this was Lehigh's first win over the IL since 2016! Just another reflection of how far the program had fallen....

On the flip side, Georgetown is a combined 5-7 versus Cornell (2-2) and Columbia (3-5) ... and 2-28 against the other six.

Fair question: is it time for Georgetown to stop scheduling these schools?

[bulldog10jw]

No shame in losing to Dartmouth. Lots of teams do. :)

Dartmouth was impressive.

[bulldog10jw]

Amazingly, this was Lehigh's first win over the IL since 2016! Just another reflection of how far the program had fallen....

I don't think that there is any question that The Ivies, especially Dartmouth, Princeton and Yale picked up their recruiting efforts in the early to mid 2010's. More as a response to Harvard dominating the league than anything else.

But it certainly helped against the PL.

[ngineer]

Did a little digging...

When Lehigh has been good they have generally dominated the Ivy League...

From 1997 through 2016 Lehigh was 38-16....

From 1997-2005 they were 23-3 and from 2010-2016 they were 13-3.

Amazingly, this was Lehigh's first win over the IL since 2016! Just another reflection of how far the program had fallen....

While the program certainly slipped during the tail end of the Coen era and then through the Gilmore debacle, I think this was also the time when the IL changed their 'grant in aid' formula by, in essence, giving full rides to kids whose families made $150K or less, annually. Especially with the 'Big 3', their endowments are so gargantuan they can easily do so. Regardless, the Lehigh program suffered during the last 7 years, and the re-build starting last year appears to be on the rise.

Are we 'back', yet? I am cautiously optimistic that we could be witnessing the rejuvenation of this proud tradition. I was at the Princeton game today and was thrilled with the outcome. Even my 'Brown colored glasses' didn't pick us to win, though I thought we could be competitive. After all, while this was Princeton's first game of the year, they did (reportedly) have 19 returning starters! I agree they did not play like a veteran group.

Our punting game needs more work; especially in the coverage. Does no good to have a 57 yard punt get returned 55 yards. The only criticism I have of the coaching was the strange set of plays called just before the half when we could have really put the Tigers away. I agree about the questions raised about using the shotgun in goal line/short yardage situations. The fact that 'everyone does it', doesn't sit with me. I have heard that the various plays called from that formation give more options, but, hey, it's 3rd and goal from the two. It's football. Time for the big uglies to get their noses down and plow forward, or play off it and make a quick toss.

However, I want to dwell on what I see as the potential for not only a significant improvement over last year's 2-9 season (we've already surpassed that), but a time for some realization that this time, if it stays healthy and doesn't start feeling 'too good' about itself, can be in the hunt for the PL championship. It's Any Given Saturday for a reason. Lehigh will have a three week hiatus after next week's Bucknell game. Bucky appears more formidable this year, too. But, assuming Lehigh can win at home over the Bison, the Coaches have three weeks to plan for the League run, in terms of playing guys for experience versus playing to make a championship run. Plus a great time for healing up. A lot of sophs and frosh are playing, and I give a lot of credit to the many upperclassmen who are now the #2s, who are still out there chopping wood to make the team better. Cahill has at the team together, interlocked arms swaying to the school's Centennial Song at the close of each game. "Mountain Music" is becoming another tradition at the end of the third quarter, and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" after a win.

It was also nice to see a good crowd back at Goodman. True it was Family Weekend, but having 8,000 in the stands and the "Best Band East of All Points West" putting on a great show, some of the old vibes were coming back today. I hope we can keep it rolling next week. Bucknell coming in off a big, but expected, win over the Redd Foxes under former Lehigh OC Dave Cecchini, will be energized. Should be a good game.

[bonarae]

The Yale-Holy Cross game pitted the Patriot League champions for the past five years versus the Ivy League Champion in four of the last six years. The game lived up to expectations. This is what an Ivy-Patriot Bowl could look like. Would be even more compelling now that Richmond is joining the Patriot League.

If the bowl type game the Ivies are only allowing for their champion to play in is created, will it be a neutral site game? Can it be played after all finals of the eight schools have finished, i.e., well after the FCS champion has been crowned?

[bulldog10jw]

I'm looking forward to Lehigh's trip to the Yale Bowl next month. I have my eye on that game as well as K-State at West Virginia. I'm planning on attending one of them...

Does the winner of Lehigh-Yale still get the Yank Townsend 1895 Trophy

[DFW HOYA]

If the bowl type game the Ivies are only allowing for their champion to play in is created, will it be a neutral site game? Can it be played after all finals of the eight schools have finished, i.e., well after the FCS champion has been crowned?

Rhetorically speaking, why not an Ivy-CAA bowl instead? They have scholarships too, just like seven of eight PL schools in 2025.

[aceinthehole]

The more things change, the more they are the same. Patriot League 2-4 against the Ivy League today.

Which looks even worse considering it is week 1 for the Ivy and week 4 for the Patriot League.

The gap between the NEC and PL is (and has been) nearly non-existent for years now, yet the polls and fans still don't respect teams like Duquesne, CCSU, SFU.

[Go Green]

I think it is for the Lions.

Pretty sure Dartmouth 2021 was ranked when Columbia kicked our butts...

[aceinthehole]

Dartmouth was impressive.

Yep.

Very much looking forward to CCSU's games at Yale and Dartmouth this season!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Which looks even worse considering it is week 1 for the Ivy and week 4 for the Patriot League.

The gap between the NEC and PL is (and has been) nearly non-existent for years now, yet the polls and fans still don't respect teams like Duquesne, CCSU, SFU.

The best team in the PL has maintained a gap in terms of ceiling though. There's no doubt the middle and bottom of the PL has really struggled in recent years.

I don't think the PL has much to apologize for today outside of Lafayette. Holy Cross and Yale (preseaso IL favorite) was a fantastic battle, Colgate beat up on their rival Cornell and Lehigh looked very good against Princeton.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Does the winner of Lehigh-Yale still get the Yank Townsend 1895 Trophy

I'm not sure. LFN might be able to provide an answer?

[bulldog10jw]

Yep.

Very much looking forward to CCSU's games at Yale and Dartmouth this season!

Should be fun in two weeks. Hoping for a good crowd in the Bowl.

[DFW HOYA]

Ranking the PL after Week 4:

1. Lehigh (3-1): Surprise of the PL so far.
2. Lafayette (2-2): Surprised with the loss to Columbia, but three wins likely to follow.
2. Holy Cross (1-3): Making good progress every week. Watch them.
4. Bucknell (2-2): Softer schedule but next week vs. Lehigh will be telling.
5. Colgate (1-3): Poised to make their annual run up the standings.
6. Georgetown (2-2): Trending down across the board.
7. Fordham (0-4): A must-win game vs Monmouth? (which defeated FIU this evening)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Ranking the PL after Week 4:

1. Lehigh (2-2): Surprise of the PL so far.
2. Lafayette (2-2): Surprised with the loss to Columbia, but three wins likely to follow.
2. Holy Cross (1-3): Making good progress every week. Watch them.
4. Bucknell (2-2): Softer schedule but next week vs. Lehigh will be telling.
5. Colgate (1-3): Poised to make their annual run up the standings.
6. Georgetown (2-2): Trending down across the board.
7. Fordham (0-4): A must-win game vs Monmouth? (which defeated FIU this evening)

Lehigh is 3-1 xsmiley_wix


Army at Temple next week! The Black Knights have been dominant to start the year....

[DFW HOYA]

Lehigh is 3-1

This was corrected, thanks.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The despites...

- Despite Holy Cross sitting at 1-3 (soon to be 1-4 Syracuse next week), the Crusaders definitely look to be formidable. But at some point teams do have to win close games.

- Despite Lafayette's loss today they still have a win over Monmouth and their effort against a dangerous Buffalo team continues to be a reflection of their potential.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Some thoughts.

* Lehigh looked real good today vs. Princeton. The defensive front was amazing, holding Princeton to negative yards rushing and the O line of Lehigh also playing an amazing game. I did wonder how many of Princeton's incompletions and sailing passes were due to Lehigh pressure (Lehigh had 6 sacks!) or the Princeton QB's timings being off. QB Blaine Hipa was listed as QB2 for Princeton but played most of the game (which honestly didn't surprise me) but Lehigh wasn't affected or surprised by that fact.

Amazingly this was Lehigh's first Ivy win against any Ivy opponent since 2016 (the last one I believe was the 63-35 Yale game), but moreso it's the most dominant win over Princeton Lehigh has had in a long time. You have to go all the way back to the glorious 2001 season to see a bigger Lehigh win against a Princeton team (Pete Lembo beat them that year 34-10), and that 2001 win was a totally different Ivy League and a totally different Lehigh team. For the alums this game was a big plus vibe, adding to the fact it came on parent's weekend and the stadium was rocking. This was a meaningful win.

* Lafayette really suffered from four things: 1) the fact that it was Columbia's first game and there was no game film on their QB or what they were going to do; 2) the Columbia gameplan was to get up early and force Lafayette to play from behind, which they did, 3) it seemed like they were hammering Curtis even when they fell far behind they kept going to it vs. a surprisingly good defensive front, which only allowed 3.3 ypc, and 4) Lafayette's D gave up some big plays to the Columbia O, meaning Columbia found some things and had the personnel to exploit it. I did think Lafayette would win, and they didn't, but I'm not surprised Columbia may be quite good. The Ivies are like a box of chocolates.

As for Lafayette, this loss isn't a showstopper for their season, though it will hammer the PL's reputation nationally (and unfairly). Lafayette will drop to 24 on my ballot because I realize what Columbia is, but many will remove them completely because they don't understand the Ivies. Lafayette has plenty of time to regroup.

* Holy Cross has been jobbed now in two of their losses (see UNH). They seem better than their record, but their policy of playing brutal schedules might really bite them in the ass this season. It is noted they played a very tough Yale team down to the wire that needed two questionable calls to win. Still, impossible to count out.

* A great team win by Colgate was desperately needed vs. longtime Rival Cornell. They seem like a force to be reckoned with, especially on the ground, and October 5th vs. Holy Cross will be must-see viewing for the rest of the league.

* Fordham is apparently very banged up but haven't found anything in their rough start and were predictably beat bad by Dartmouth. It's hard to imagine them making a game of it vs. Lafayette in a few weeks.

* Georgetown lost a sloppy game on the road vs. Brown where they turned over the ball 3 times. If DFW's report is correct that their OL are banged up severely, that doesn't bode well for the rest of their season.

* Bucknell rode among other things a punt return TD to a comfortable 34-18 win over Marist where there weren't really threatened. At 2-2 they are still a bit of a mystery team with an offense that can score points and a defense that seems to give up a lot of points.

[Sader87]

Shaping up to be a wide open PL season.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Ranking the PL after Week 4:

1. Lehigh (3-1): Surprise of the PL so far.
2. Lafayette (2-2): Surprised with the loss to Columbia, but three wins likely to follow.
2. Holy Cross (1-3): Making good progress every week. Watch them.
4. Bucknell (2-2): Softer schedule but next week vs. Lehigh will be telling.
5. Colgate (1-3): Poised to make their annual run up the standings.
6. Georgetown (2-2): Trending down across the board.
7. Fordham (0-4): A must-win game vs Monmouth? (which defeated FIU this evening)

Solid recap. I'd have Lafayette alone at 2 ahead of HC by virtue of their W over Monmouth. I'd put Colgate at 4 ahead of Bucknell.

[Son of Eli]

If the bowl type game the Ivies are only allowing for their champion to play in is created, will it be a neutral site game? Can it be played after all finals of the eight schools have finished, i.e., well after the FCS champion has been crowned?

I was thinking early December at Yankee stadium, before finals start. Something to kick off the bowl season.

[Son of Eli]

Yep.

Very much looking forward to CCSU's games at Yale and Dartmouth this season!


Bring lots of friends with you. Hoping for over 10,000 to the Yale-CCSU game. Both teams look good. First ever meeting. Intriguing intrastate match-up. It should draw relatively well.

[Son of Eli]

I'm not sure. LFN might be able to provide an answer?


as of 2017 they still did. Saw it presented after the game.

[Pards Rule]

Bring lots of friends with you. Hoping for over 10,000 to the Yale-CCSU game. Both teams look good. First ever meeting. Intriguing intrastate match-up. It should draw relatively well.

Should be excellent game. Amazed first with both CT

[Wolffan]

Reports that the PL would be stronger this year appear misplaced.

[ngineer]

Does the winner of Lehigh-Yale still get the Yank Townsend 1895 Trophy

Yes, as far as I recall. I have no recall of it being discontinued.

[ngineer]

Ranking the PL after Week 4:

1. Lehigh (3-1): Surprise of the PL so far.
2. Lafayette (2-2): Surprised with the loss to Columbia, but three wins likely to follow.
2. Holy Cross (1-3): Making good progress every week. Watch them.
4. Bucknell (2-2): Softer schedule but next week vs. Lehigh will be telling.
5. Colgate (1-3): Poised to make their annual run up the standings.
6. Georgetown (2-2): Trending down across the board.
7. Fordham (0-4): A must-win game vs Monmouth? (which defeated FIU this evening)

This could be very ugly...

[ngineer]

Reports that the PL would be stronger this year appear misplaced.

I don't see the PL results necessarily supporting that. The PL teams have played some fairly tough competition thus far, and have fared fairly well. We really do not know the strength of the various ILs, so the losses to Columbia and Yale may prove to be strong showings, as well a Holy Cross's and Lehigh's showings. Too many on this Board look down on the Ivies because of their snootiness in not being in the playoffs, but those who see them frequently, know they play a very good brand of football.

[bonarae]

How long would Conlin last this season? If he starts all-PL play winless, he's gonna be canned soon enough and boosters won't wait until the end of the season to buy him out.