south dakota/portland state cancelled

[JALMOND]

The game between South Dakota and Portland State has been cancelled due to many PSU players testing positive for whooping cough.

May the jokes begin... xembarrassedx

[Pards Rule]

The game between South Dakota and Portland State has been cancelled due to many PSU players testing positive for whooping cough.

May the jokes begin... xembarrassedx

damn

[Pards Rule]

is that a forfeit

[JALMOND]

is that a forfeit

Unsure at this point. From what I am hearing the field was ready and South Dakota was here. The game was on as of last night. Don't know what the outcome will be.

[bonarae]

"No contest"?

[wapiti]

Well. How do I count this in pick'em now that this game is in the coffin

[JALMOND]

Latest statement from Portland State says that PSU players were exposed to the whooping cough disease as of Thursday and were quarantined. No PSU player is ill as of today, but in the interest of safety for the players on both sides, both the team doctors for PSU and USD determined the best strategy was to not play the game.

https://goviks.com/news/2024/9/14/portland-state-football-game-with-south-dakota-cancelled.aspx

[Preferred Walk-On]

If only there were a way to prevent this, maybe one that had existed for over a century and had been deemed safe after millions and millions of uses.

I hope for the best for the Portland St players affected, and if I’m Boise St, I am already planning for my BYE next weekend.


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[Libertine]

If only there were a way to prevent this, maybe one that had existed for over a century and had been deemed safe after millions and millions of uses.
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Actually....childhood Tdap vaccinations (includes whooping cough) wear off. They're administered to kids at an early age because that's when the infection is most dangerous for them and their immune systems are least developed. However, even then, they have to be administered multiple times because the protection isn't permanent. By the time a person reaches college age, their immune system -- unless otherwise compromised -- is often considered to be sufficient protection enough that Tdap boosters are recommended only every 10 years.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Actually....childhood whooping cough vaccinations wear off. They're administered to kids at an early age because that's when the infection is most dangerous for them and their immune systems are less developed. However, even then, Tdap vaccines have to be administered multiple times because the protection isn't permanent.

I am aware. Doesn’t really change the solution though. Even North Dakota required this for college entry back in the day…North Dakota. Perhaps less dangerous for a young adult, but still as contagious, and if some on one team haven’t taken preventative measures, it is a pretty safe bet that there are others on another team that also have not. This is a blip that Boise St simply should just say no to. Period.


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[Libertine]

I am aware. Doesn’t really change the solution though. Even North Dakota required this for college entry back in the day…North Dakota. Perhaps less dangerous for a young adult, but still as contagious, and if some on one team haven’t taken preventative measures, it is a pretty safe bet that there are others on another team that also have not. This is a blip that Boise St simply should just say no to. Period.


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You're not wrong and I should have clarified that this cancellation doesn't mean that PSU players weren't Tdap vaxxed. Apparently, Oregon only requires a measles vaccine (https://www.oregon.gov/oha/ph/preventionwellness/vaccinesimmunization/gettingimmunized/pages/college.aspx#:~:text=Colleges%2FUniversities,time% 20students%20vary%20by%20institution.)for college attendance which seems lax in this day and age. According to PSU's statement, it appears that a large number of PSU players were "exposed" to whooping cough which is very different from an "outbreak on the team" that Brett McMurphy described. Perhaps the extensive quarantine is partly due to Oregon's not requiring the Tdap for college students.

[Puddin Tane]

Now…will this screw up playoff hopes? Like Uiw missing a game last year?

[Professor Chaos]

Now…will this screw up playoff hopes? Like Uiw missing a game last year?
That's what I thought too - the fact that this is a 12 game season probably plays into USD's favor but it'll be pretty crummy for them if they end up at 8-3/7-4 or something like that and get dinged because another team they're in contention with for a seed/playoff spot is 9-3/8-4. Personally I think this should be a forfeit win for USD given the fact that they had already travelled and were prepping to play when they found out the game was cancelled due to no fault of their own. Since it's an OOC game the only authority on it is the NCAA I'd think (unlike the UIW situation last year where the Southland conference had the authority to dictate whether it was a no contest or a forfeit). I'd hope the selection committee treats it as if it would've been a win for USD come selection time if they're in contention but it's impossible to say whether it will hurt them or not.

[bonarae]

Now…will this screw up playoff hopes? Like Uiw missing a game last year?

If the Yotes win out or most of their remaining games this season, this wouldn't matter...

[Preferred Walk-On]

If the Yotes win out or most of their remaining games this season, this wouldn't matter...

Unfortunately for the Coyotes, this is not how the MVFC often plays out for them. Every win matters, let alone getting in as much game day experience as possible before the conference season starts.


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[SDFS]

That's what I thought too - the fact that this is a 12 game season probably plays into USD's favor but it'll be pretty crummy for them if they end up at 8-3/7-4 or something like that and get dinged because another team they're in contention with for a seed/playoff spot is 9-3/8-4. Personally I think this should be a forfeit win for USD given the fact that they had already travelled and were prepping to play when they found out the game was cancelled due to no fault of their own. Since it's an OOC game the only authority on it is the NCAA I'd think (unlike the UIW situation last year where the Southland conference had the authority to dictate whether it was a no contest or a forfeit). I'd hope the selection committee treats it as if it would've been a win for USD come selection time if they're in contention but it's impossible to say whether it will hurt them or not.

The other thing that hurts USD is that they played a D2 school in nonconference. So, they are heading into week 4 with 0 D1 wins.

[Puddin Tane]

I wouldn’t hold the D2 game against them. As long as fbs gives our fcs teams a game, fcs doing the same with a lower level is ok with me.

but missing a game? Theyd have to win conference. Leaving uiw out last year was a sham. They deserved a spot. Same thing should happen here.

[MSUBobcat]

That's what I thought too - the fact that this is a 12 game season probably plays into USD's favor but it'll be pretty crummy for them if they end up at 8-3/7-4 or something like that and get dinged because another team they're in contention with for a seed/playoff spot is 9-3/8-4. Personally I think this should be a forfeit win for USD given the fact that they had already travelled and were prepping to play when they found out the game was cancelled due to no fault of their own. Since it's an OOC game the only authority on it is the NCAA I'd think (unlike the UIW situation last year where the Southland conference had the authority to dictate whether it was a no contest or a forfeit). I'd hope the selection committee treats it as if it would've been a win for USD come selection time if they're in contention but it's impossible to say whether it will hurt them or not.

IMO, it's not that cut and dried. Without knowing the negotiations between the two programs, it's hard to say. What if PSU came to USD and said, "Our players had exposure to whooping cough. None are showing any signs of it and none have tested positive for it. We can play the game but we cannot guarantee that your players won't become infected. Do you want to take the chance or just cancel the game?" I don't think we can assume that PSU is the team that decided, at its sole discretion, to not play the game.

[Preferred Walk-On]

OK, but Portland St had the exposure (at the very least). No exposure OR everyone with preventative measure taken so as to (1) not be infected and/or (2) not be potentially contagious, then we have a game, a result, and no discussion.


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[ElCid]

IMO, it's not that cut and dried. Without knowing the negotiations between the two programs, it's hard to say. What if PSU came to USD and said, "Our players had exposure to whooping cough. None are showing any signs of it and none have tested positive for it. We can play the game but we cannot guarantee that your players won't become infected. Do you want to take the chance or just cancel the game?" I don't think we can assume that PSU is the team that decided, at its sole discretion, to not play the game.

Exactly. Pretty sure it was mutual. Life happens sometimes. They will get over it.

[MSUBobcat]

OK, but Portland St had the exposure (at the very least). No exposure OR everyone with preventative measure taken so as to (1) not be infected and/or (2) not be potentially contagious, then we have a game, a result, and no discussion.


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Exposure to an invisible virus... unless they were licking petri dishes. You don't know that "preventative measures" (I assume we're talking vaccinations?). These players grew up before getting vaccines became political, so it's highly likely that they received the CDC recommended vaccination schedule. It's also not usually dangerous to adults. Maybe PSU said, "we here and ready" and USD said, "no thanks". Perhaps the Yotes take the L for being overly cautious....xeyebrowx

I don't really see the need in worrying much about how it will be looked at by the selection committee until is apparent that it may be a factor.

[POD Knows]

The other thing that hurts USD is that they played a D2 school in nonconference. So, they are heading into week 4 with 0 D1 wins.Exactly, they have played nobody, the only somebody they have played beat them, they are, to date, the weakest team in the top 10.

[POD Knows]

I wouldn’t hold the D2 game against them. As long as fbs gives our fcs teams a game, fcs doing the same with a lower level is ok with me.

but missing a game? Theyd have to win conference. Leaving uiw out last year was a sham. They deserved a spot. Same thing should happen here.**** that UIW sucked balls last year. They haven't beaten anybody this year either.

[POD Knows]

IMO, it's not that cut and dried. Without knowing the negotiations between the two programs, it's hard to say. What if PSU came to USD and said, "Our players had exposure to whooping cough. None are showing any signs of it and none have tested positive for it. We can play the game but we cannot guarantee that your players won't become infected. Do you want to take the chance or just cancel the game?" I don't think we can assume that PSU is the team that decided, at its sole discretion, to not play the game.This is a negative for USD, they scheduled these douchebags years ago I think believing it was a cupcake, which it normally is, so it is what it is.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Exactly. Pretty sure it was mutual. Life happens sometimes. They will get over it.

It might have only been "mutual", because it had to be. I don't think it will hurt USD, but it didn't help either.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Exposure to an invisible virus... unless they were licking petri dishes. You don't know that "preventative measures" (I assume we're talking vaccinations?). These players grew up before getting vaccines became political, so it's highly likely that they received the CDC recommended vaccination schedule. It's also not usually dangerous to adults. Maybe PSU said, "we here and ready" and USD said, "no thanks". Perhaps the Yotes take the L for being overly cautious....xeyebrowx

I don't really see the need in worrying much about how it will be looked at by the selection committee until is apparent that it may be a factor.

It has been 100% preventable since 1914. It has been part of preventing others infections since 1948. Up until at least the mid-90's/early-00's, it was mandatory for college students. Yeah, the Coyotes may be being overly cautious, but why did they have to in the first place? Also, I am pretty damned sure Portland State knows EVERYTHING about the health status of their players...everything. Please don't spin this as South Dakota having culpability in this...whatever "culpability" they might have had was reacting logically to a unique and preventable situation.

[SDFS]

Exactly, they have played nobody, the only somebody they have played beat them, they are, to date, the weakest team in the top 10.

I think it will all sort out in the wash: Remaining Schedule:

4 Wins - They have to win the following games: Drake, @Murray St, @Youngstown St, ISUb

They have to win 3 of these games: SIU, UNI, @SDSU, @UND, NDSU. If you win three of those games you have earned your way into playoff conversation. Winning two of those games. I am not sure.

[Preferred Walk-On]

BTW, I do want to commend Portland State for being forthcoming, even if the timing wasn’t great.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

It has been 100% preventable since 1914. It has been part of preventing others infections since 1948. Up until at least the mid-90's/early-00's, it was mandatory for college students. Yeah, the Coyotes may be being overly cautious, but why did they have to in the first place? Also, I am pretty damned sure Portland State knows EVERYTHING about the health status of their players...everything. Please don't spin this as South Dakota having culpability in this...whatever "culpability" they might have had was reacting logically to a unique and preventable situation.

We are not going to start anything that will lead to a political battle on an FCSD thread right? Redirect it to the poli board if so.

[Preferred Walk-On]

We are not going to start anything that will lead to a political battle on an FCSD thread right? Redirect it to the poli board if so.

Sorry ursus, just stating facts and can include references. There should be nothing political about that. However, the discussion about whether it should be a forfeit or no contest is only a bit relevant now, which is why I’ll end my input with this post. Of course, if the Coyotes have one or two less wins than a SoCon/CAA/BigSky/Southland and are potentially on the outside looking in, it could become hugely relevant, and we need to remember why this happened in the first place. No need to move, but it is obviously your call.


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[Uncle Rico]

Exactly, they have played nobody, the only somebody they have played beat them, they are, to date, the weakest team in the top 10.Really, the same thing can be said about NDSU. If we're making ranking decisions based solely on the last 3 weeks, NDSU lost to a bad Colorado team, beat a bad HBCU and got taken down to the wire by a team with 2 D1 wins last year.

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sorry ursus, just stating facts and can include references. There should be nothing political about that. However, the discussion about whether it should be a forfeit or no contest is only a bit relevant now, which is why I’ll end my input with this post. Of course, if the Coyotes have one or two less wins than a SoCon/CAA/BigSky/Southland and are potentially on the outside looking in, it could become hugely relevant, and we need to remember why this happened in the first place. No need to move, but it is obviously your call.


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Facts are fine but it does not matter in this regard. If it is likely to lead or bait others into making a political reply it is grabbed and made an example of as soon as I can. We are all sharp enough to know what these things lead to.

So, what can always be done is you can start a thread on those responses and grab the link and post it in the thread you would have posted that reply in. That way we nip it in the bud before the fire starts is the idea. BTW, 100% agree with your post but it would have at some point led us astray.

It has not devolved yet so no need to move it.

[POD Knows]

BTW, I do want to commend Portland State for being forthcoming, even if the timing wasn’t great.


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I don’t. It is BS, who the **** dies from Whooping Cough. Influenza is probably worse than that, maybe we should cancel life because somebody has the flu. Freaking weak.

[POD Knows]

Really, the same thing can be said about NDSU. If we're making ranking decisions based solely on the last 3 weeks, NDSU lost to a bad Colorado team, beat a bad HBCU and got taken down to the wire by a team with 2 D1 wins last year.

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I am not defending NDSU. I dropped them in my poll, along with USD.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don’t. It is BS, who the **** dies from Whooping Cough. Influenza is probably worse than that, maybe we should cancel life because somebody has the flu. Freaking weak.

I imagine the liability of going your way was seen as way to costly to do it hat way.

[TrooperCoats]

I am not defending NDSU. I dropped them in my poll, along with USD.
If you are the type of voter who ranks based on who you think the 'best' teams are, or how a round robin would play out today, you probably keep the Yotes where they are - they have given you no reason to think they are not what you thought they were. If you are the type of voter who prioritizes resume, then you drop them based on other resumes. Seems fair to me.

[POD Knows]

I imagine the liability of going your way was seen as way to costly to do it hat way.
I weep for America

[POD Knows]

If you are the type of voter who ranks based on who you think the 'best' teams are, or how a round robin would play out today, you probably keep the Yotes where they are - they have given you no reason to think they are not what you thought they were. If you are the type of voter who prioritizes resume, then you drop them based on other resumes. Seems fair to me.
Here is who the **** I think they are, my last impression of them was their last game, at home, last year. I gifted them a spot in my preseason poll and they have done nothing to show me that they are any better than they were in the LAST HOME GAME LAST YEAR. They are still in my top ten so don’t get your panties in a bunch.

[TrooperCoats]

Here is who the **** I think they are, my last impression of them was their last game, at home, last year. I gifted them a spot in my preseason poll and they have done nothing to show me that they are any better than they were in the LAST HOME GAME LAST YEAR. They are still in my top ten so don’t get your panties in a bunch.
LOL. Sounds fair to me. I'd probably take them out of the top 10 for now, but my philosophy sounds different than yours (more resume based).

[ElCid]

It has been 100% preventable since 1914. It has been part of preventing others infections since 1948. Up until at least the mid-90's/early-00's, it was mandatory for college students. Yeah, the Coyotes may be being overly cautious, but why did they have to in the first place? Also, I am pretty damned sure Portland State knows EVERYTHING about the health status of their players...everything. Please don't spin this as South Dakota having culpability in this...whatever "culpability" they might have had was reacting logically to a unique and preventable situation.

Yeah but since it isn't very harmful to healthy adults, and from what I've read shows that the vax fades by the time you are an adult, it is very harmful for infants and I think the fragile elderly. And the players could have spread it to lots of people in SD if they had picked it up. Then you are really spreading it outside of a possible small in-state outbreak. Not to mention the PR shytstorm for SD would have been horrendous had anyone taken ill in SD.

I am not sure when you say 100% preventable, that is really true. Having had oodles of vaxes in my life, even the AF doesn't feel it necessary to get this one boosted. Lots of others, but not this one. I suppose that if only a few PSU players were exposed, they could have isolated those and still played. I don't know the extent of exposure. I think there are too many unknowns to condemn anyone in this.

[MSUBobcat]

It has been 100% preventable since 1914. It has been part of preventing others infections since 1948. Up until at least the mid-90's/early-00's, it was mandatory for college students. Yeah, the Coyotes may be being overly cautious, but why did they have to in the first place? Also, I am pretty damned sure Portland State knows EVERYTHING about the health status of their players...everything. Please don't spin this as South Dakota having culpability in this...whatever "culpability" they might have had was reacting logically to a unique and preventable situation.

What if..... there's NO culpability when it comes to illness and they decided to skip the game. I'm not "spinning" anything. What if..... it was a hurricane, or prolonged lighting storm, or any number of unforeseeable events. To me, same thing.

If it comes down to it, I think the committee/pollsters will be able to factor 17pt-favorite USD probably would have beaten a very like 2-10 PSU (because of an insane schedule, not disparaging the PSU team).

[JALMOND]

IMO, it's not that cut and dried. Without knowing the negotiations between the two programs, it's hard to say. What if PSU came to USD and said, "Our players had exposure to whooping cough. None are showing any signs of it and none have tested positive for it. We can play the game but we cannot guarantee that your players won't become infected. Do you want to take the chance or just cancel the game?" I don't think we can assume that PSU is the team that decided, at its sole discretion, to not play the game.

What I've found out so far was that the PSU team was quarantined on Friday, about the same time that USD was flying here. PSU let USD know once they got to Portland. It was explained that PSU was exposed to whooping cough, not COVID, and no one was exhibiting symptoms of the disease. The recommendation to not play came from a meeting with both teams' doctors, with the reason given as "out of caution for the student athletes", and the final decision to not play came from both athletic departments. It was not one team saying "we're not going to play", but a coming of the minds from the medical sides and the AD's of both teams, as it should be.

[Uncle Rico]

What I've found out so far was that the PSU team was quarantined on Friday, about the same time that USD was flying here. PSU let USD know once they got to Portland. It was explained that PSU was exposed to whooping cough, not COVID, and no one was exhibiting symptoms of the disease. The recommendation to not play came from a meeting with both teams' doctors, with the reason given as "out of caution for the student athletes", and the final decision to not play came from both athletic departments. It was not one team saying "we're not going to play", but a coming of the minds from the medical sides and the AD's of both teams, as it should be.This is a direct contradiction to what the USD AD said tonight.

https://x.com/SchemmelJon/status/1835477881880764684?t=28vOBZW5F5lEOrBNI0JxdQ&s=19

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[NDSU1980]

This is a direct contradiction to what the USD AD said tonight.

https://x.com/SchemmelJon/status/1835477881880764684?t=28vOBZW5F5lEOrBNI0JxdQ&s=19

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If that is true then it should be treated as a forfeit by PSU. That said, I'm surprised USD wanted to risk exposure and not only have sick students but having to sit out a game next week.

[Uncle Rico]

If that is true then it should be treated as a forfeit by PSU. That said, I'm surprised USD wanted to risk exposure and not only have sick students but having to sit out a game next week.That's a fair view point. I just feel like it was an over reaction. I'm not a doctor so my opinion on the matter doesn't carry much weight here and I could absolutely be wrong, but it's not like they were exposed to lepracy or the black plague. Again, I don't really pay attention to world diseases, but I don't think I've heard of large scale quarantines for whooping cough. Teams struggle with illnesses going through the locker room all the time but they don't just cancel the whole game.

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[JALMOND]

This is a direct contradiction to what the USD AD said tonight.

https://x.com/SchemmelJon/status/1835477881880764684?t=28vOBZW5F5lEOrBNI0JxdQ&s=19

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Respectfully, not what I'm hearing. Also, your AD's statement is contradictory itself. #2. "We (USD) clearly stated 'We are playing' to PSU, MVFC & Big Sky-only after that statement was made did PSU inform us they were not playing", then #4. "PSU repeatedly said they were intending to play".

I do agree with #10...There are several unresolved issues pertaining to the game. Hopefully, as more details emerge, we will all have a better understanding of what really happened. Right now, it sounds like both USD and PSU were ready Saturday and expecting to play. Then, why was it not played?

[Pards Rule]

Ugh I dont have or want X...can someone repost that USD AD statement?

[caribbeanhen]

Ugh I dont have or want X...can someone repost that USD AD statement?

smart man!

what about the risk of these young men playing in a violent physical football game every week?

lots of injuries every Saturday that are going to affect these kids for the rest that are lives. Concussions are no joke

[POD Knows]

Should be a forfeit win for USD and a loss for PSU.

[ElCid]

smart man!

what about the risk of these young men playing in a violent physical football game every week?

lots of injuries every Saturday that are going to affect these kids for the rest that are lives. Concussions are no joke

Yeah it's not the danger to them as much as it's a danger to who they can spread it to. They can be carriers. If it gets to a baby who hasn't been vaxed yet, they could die. Or be damaged. And if they got it, it could take the entire team out. Not dangerous, but they would all be down with illness.

[wapiti]

I have grown to hate the phrase "out of an abundance of caution..."

[MR. CHICKEN]

I have grown to hate the phrase "out of an abundance of caution..."


....AH HATE DUH PHRASE......"YOU'VE BEEN HACKED".......BUT DAT'S JES' ME......DDDOODLES!

[Bisonator]

Should be a forfeit win for USD and a loss for PSU.

I agree, it was PSU's fault the game wasn't played.

[caribbeanhen]

Yeah it's not the danger to them as much as it's a danger to who they can spread it to. They can be carriers. If it gets to a baby who hasn't been vaxed yet, they could die. Or be damaged. And if they got it, it could take the entire team out. Not dangerous, but they would all be down with illness.

Yep, I get that. No problem with game being canceled

It’s just the irony, maybe a weak irony but still.

[JALMOND]

Monday morning statement from Portland State...

https://goviks.com/news/2024/9/16/statement-on-portland-state-football-game-cancelation.aspx

Also, my email as a season ticket holder now says it was Portland State that called off the game, after consulting with both teams' medical staff.

More stuff from John Canzano, Oregonian columnist and radio show host (after all the Civil War stuff)...

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-in-the-wake-of-saturdays

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Being a 12 game season I really don't know how much it harms USD. Possible but I think 7-4 or 8-3 looks as good 8-4 or 9-3 to most of us knowing the reason for it. Or maybe I'm missing something on this one.

[ElCid]

Being a 12 game season I really don't know how much it harms USD. Possible but I think 7-4 or 8-3 looks as good 8-4 or 9-3 to most of us knowing the reason for it. Or maybe I'm missing something on this one.

Exactly. It's not a huge deal with a 12 game season.

[Yote 53]

It is when you scheduled a D2 non-counter to start the season because you couldn't find an FCS opponent for Week 0. Our only OOC counter games will end up being Wisconsin and Drake. Wisconsin wasn't a horrible loss, but you get no credit for "close". 4-4 in the MVFC will not be good enough to get into the playoffs now, though we have higher expectations than 4-4 in conference this season. That would be a disappointment and "just get the season over with" at that point.

Moving on from this, I'm sure the fallout will be some contractual obligations stuff and repayment for travel expenses incurred, or something to that effect, and I doubt we'll be scheduling PSU in anything again.

Here's hoping Drake doesn't get exposed to rubella in the next couple of days.

[JALMOND]

It is when you scheduled a D2 non-counter to start the season because you couldn't find an FCS opponent for Week 0. Our only OOC counter games will end up being Wisconsin and Drake. Wisconsin wasn't a horrible loss, but you get no credit for "close". 4-4 in the MVFC will not be good enough to get into the playoffs now, though we have higher expectations than 4-4 in conference this season. That would be a disappointment and "just get the season over with" at that point.

Moving on from this, I'm sure the fallout will be some contractual obligations stuff and repayment for travel expenses incurred, or something to that effect, and I doubt we'll be scheduling PSU in anything again.

Here's hoping Drake doesn't get exposed to rubella in the next couple of days.

Last I checked, the return game at Vermillion scheduled for 9-7-2030 is still on.

[dbackjon]

Actually....childhood Tdap vaccinations (includes whooping cough) wear off. They're administered to kids at an early age because that's when the infection is most dangerous for them and their immune systems are least developed. However, even then, they have to be administered multiple times because the protection isn't permanent. By the time a person reaches college age, their immune system -- unless otherwise compromised -- is often considered to be sufficient protection enough that Tdap boosters are recommended only every 10 years.

Which most of us don't get because our doctors never mention it

[MSUBobcat]

It is when you scheduled a D2 non-counter to start the season because you couldn't find an FCS opponent for Week 0. Our only OOC counter games will end up being Wisconsin and Drake. Wisconsin wasn't a horrible loss, but you get no credit for "close". 4-4 in the MVFC will not be good enough to get into the playoffs now, though we have higher expectations than 4-4 in conference this season. That would be a disappointment and "just get the season over with" at that point.

Moving on from this, I'm sure the fallout will be some contractual obligations stuff and repayment for travel expenses incurred, or something to that effect, and I doubt we'll be scheduling PSU in anything again.

Here's hoping Drake doesn't get exposed to rubella in the next couple of days.

It's unfortunate that unforeseeable circumstances caused the cancellation. I believe the committee DOES have the ability to give credit for a close P5 loss. They aren't the total clowns that put out the Coaches' Poll.

I don't know that I'd expect repayment for travel costs. Generally in H&H, you pay to go to their house, they pay to come to your house. If USD feels it necessary to hold a grudge against PSU going forward, that is certainly their prerogative.

[JALMOND]

Which most of us don't get because our doctors never mention it

Most people do get a booster TDAP shot usually when they receive a nasty cut or step on a nail. Most of the time you will receive a tetanus shot which nowadays is the whole TDAP shot. I know years ago when I stepped on a nail, the doctor asked if I had got a tetanus shot within the last 10 years, then she gave me the whole TDAP shot.