The Hot Seat

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

It's never too early....

Joe Conlin Fordham - Lost to CCSU today 33-3 after entering the game as a 20+ point favorite. He's a flake, his teams can't be trusted. I think he's toast. This is a really good job imo. Fordham has a high ceiling...

[mvemjsunpx]

Bruce Barnum, Portland State
Aaron Best, EWU

[JALMOND]

Bruce Barnum, Portland State

The only time things get hot at Portland State is when protesters take over the library.

[mvemjsunpx]

The only time things get hot at Portland State is when protesters take over the library.

Bruce Barnum's seat is so hot it's turned him into an unbreakable, unremovable diamond. xsmiley_wix

[crusader11]

It's never too early....

Joe Conlin Fordham - Lost to CCSU today 33-3 after entering the game as a 20+ point favorite. He's a flake, his teams can't be trusted. I think he's toast. This is a really good job imo. Fordham has a high ceiling...

Wholeheartedly agree. Conlin is very average, which might be good enough for Fordham.

He received an extension though the 2026 season -- https://fordhamsports.com/news/2023/2/23/fordham-football-head-coach-joe-conlin-receives-contract-extension

Maybe there's a buyout clause in here, but I don't see Fordham eating the contract unless things get REALLY bad.

[kdinva]

The only time things get hot at Portland State is when protesters take over the library.

or burn down police precincts.

[caribbeanhen]

The only time things get hot at Portland State is when protesters take over the library.

it was 105 degrees when Del State visited Lomax

[wapiti]

He is not FCS, but use to be.

Deion Sanders should be on the hot seat.

[MSUBobcat]

He is not FCS, but use to be.

Deion Sanders should be on the hot seat.

Win or lose, he's brought more attention to CU than they've had in decades.

[McNeese75]

He is not FCS, but use to be.

Deion Sanders should be on the hot seat.

He is gone this year as soon as his sons declare for the draft.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Stony Brook 27 Fordham 21 Final

No relief for Conlin. Tough home loss to a team nearby program that was 0-10 last season...but has a new coach...

[Puddin Tane]

Carthel at SFA gotta be on the hot seat

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bryant's Chris Merritt's seat is definitely heating up. He was an odd hire to start being a Florida high school coach (ala Gerry Faust) prior to arriving in Providence. In 6 years Merritt is 24-28 with a rough 2024 ahead.

Conlin's seat has to be the hottest or tied for the hottest unless someone has a scandal going on. Fordham's AD just left for St. John's so Conlin will be answering to someone new very shortly. The Ram fans are fed up. And it's an alumni base with some jingle in their pockets....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

He is not FCS, but use to be.

Deion Sanders should be on the hot seat.

Furman alum Billy Napier has to have the hottest seat in FBS at this point. I'm not sure he makes it to next week in Gainesville....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Figured this is worthy of a bump as reality is starting to set in for many...

Colgate's Stan Dakotsy needs to be added. Stan is 15-24 in 4 years at Colgate and the Raiders sit at 1-5. This is one of the more successful 1-AA/FCS programs.

I second the mention of EWU's Aaron Best. Time is running out for him in Cheney.

Mark Farley (Northern Iowa): I know Farley has done a lot of great things at UNI and the program is hindered by budget issues but when is it time for a mutual parting of the ways? Panther football has become a complete afterthought nationally...

[DFW HOYA]

John Troxell (108-80) is the only PL coach with a record above .500.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

John Troxell (109-80) is the only PL coach with a record above .500.

Can we include Lehigh's OC Dan Hunt who owns a 40-33 career record as a head coach?......xsmiley_wix

[DFW HOYA]

Can we include Lehigh's OC Dan Hunt who owns a 40-33 career record as a head coach?......xsmiley_wix

The rundown by head coach:

Cecchini (Bucknell): 16-37 (BU), 33-75 overall
Sgarlata (Georgetown) : 33-70
Dakosty (Colgate) 15-24
Conlin (Fordham): 29-37
Curran (Holy Cross): 2-4 (HC), 55-62 overall
Troxell (Lafayette): 16-12 (LC), 108-80 overall
Cahill (Lehigh) 5-11

[JacksFan40]

He is not FCS, but use to be.

Deion Sanders should be on the hot seat.
Colorado is 4-1 and has looked significantly better since Nebraska blew them out, he’s no where near a hot seat.

As for FCS though I would think Farley would be on the hot seat eventually, but who knows.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Colorado is 4-1 and has looked significantly better since Nebraska blew them out, he’s no where near a hot seat.

As for FCS though I would think Farley would be on the hot seat eventually, but who knows.

K-State plays at Colorado Saturday night. I'm definitely nervous given how poorly the Wildcats played in Provo a couple of weeks ago.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

The rundown by head coach:

Cecchini (Bucknell): 16-37 (BU), 33-75 overall
Sgarlata (Georgetown) : 33-70
Dakosty (Colgate) 15-24
Conlin (Fordham): 29-37
Curran (Holy Cross): 2-4 (HC), 55-62 overall
Troxell (Lafayette): 16-12 (LC), 108-80 overall
Cahill (Lehigh) 5-11

Hard to ignore the reality of those numbers! Conlin and Dakotsy rightly deserve the criticism given the success their respective programs have achieved.

Cahill definitely seems to have Lehigh headed in the right direction. I will be surprised if he doesn't have a winning record after year 4. It's not hard to have "modest success" at Lehigh; 6-5/7-4 seasons.

Cecchini has been head coach at two of the most difficult places to win in FCS, Bucknell and Valparaiso, which has significantly compromised his coaching record. Granted, the obvious question is, why hasn't he landed better gigs?

Sgarlata's record also has to be consumed with proper context.

[Mocs123]

Furman alum Billy Napier has to have the hottest seat in FBS at this point. I'm not sure he makes it to next week in Gainesville....

If I had a $60M buyout I'd be hoping I wouldn't make it to Gainesville!!!

[FUBeAR]

If I had a $60M buyout I'd be hoping I wouldn't make it to Gainesville!!!
FUBeAR believes his very good friend Billy Napier’s buyout is ‘only’ $23.7 million, but that should be enough to adequately cover FUBeAR’s future Personal Valet wages.

FUBeAR believes FSU’s Mike Norville’s buyout is $65 million. Easy to confuse these 2 Professional Teams in FL.

FUBeAR’s sense is the Florida is hoping something will come from discovery in this lawsuit - https://www.tampabay.com/sports/gators/2024/10/01/jaden-rashada-nil-lawsuit-billy-napier-matthew-sluka/ - that will allow them to terminate Napier without paying the buyout.

We’ll see …. Ain’t “College” Football GREAT!

[Mocs123]

You're right I got them mixed up. It would be tough, but I think I could make it with "just" 23.7M if I had to.

BTW - the buyouts are getting ridiculous and just as harmful to college athletics as the crazy NIL deals. Nobody should get a $65M buyout. And NIL - I guess it is what it is, but it should be for name - image - likeness deals - like if Butler Toyota of Macon wanted to have Kelin Parsons be in a TV ad, but not the "FUBeAR's Mercer Football Collective" offering 2025 QB John Doe $1M to sign with the Bears. And I personally think all NIL earnings over X amount should be put in an annuity or trust until the player is 25 - No 18 year old kid is prepared to know what to do with millions of dollars.

Back on topic - I don't see any SoCon coaches on the hot seat personally.

[FUBeAR]

You're right I got them mixed up. It would be tough, but I think I could make it with "just" 23.7M if I had to.

BTW - the buyouts are getting ridiculous and just as harmful to college athletics as the crazy NIL deals. Nobody should get a $65M buyout. And NIL - I guess it is what it is, but it should be for name - image - likeness deals - like if Butler Toyota of Macon wanted to have Kelin Parsons be in a TV ad, but not the "FUBeAR's Mercer Football Collective" offering 2025 QB John Doe $1M to sign with the Bears. And I personally think all NIL earnings over X amount should be put in an annuity or trust until the player is 25 - No 18 year old kid is prepared to know what to do with millions of dollars.

Back on topic - I don't see any SoCon coaches on the hot seat personally.
Hmmm….

- Coach Hatcher might be if they hadn’t have extended him after 2022. Samford ain’t buyin’ out 3 (or so) years.

- RoT wants to fire Woffy’s Coach Watson.

- Some bellhop alums want to fire Coach Drayton … but … well … you know … he’s just not “their kind” of Head Coach and never could / will be, regardless of his results … y’know.

- With all of his “Championship or bust” bluster last year and constant talk (talk only, so far) of a lofty future from Day1, FUBeAR would think some WCU peeps might be getting a bit disillusioned with Coach Bell…but it doesn’t seem so. Massey says the Catamounts are going 4-8 / 3-5 - no SoCon Championship (ever and in almost a half a century) & no Playoffs (in 40+ years). Would that get the drums beating in Cullowhee?

- Dunno how the Roos’ Fans are feeling about Coach Rocco, but he doesn’t seem to be filling Coach Wachenheim’s boots very well … so far.

- At 0-3, with 0 SoCon Championships in 5 years, FUBeAR was seeing a lot of displeasure with Coach Wright among Mocs fans / alums. Wins over a Big Sky Team and ETSU have quieted that for now, but do those naysayers pipe back up even more loudly with a loss in Travelers Rest this weekend?

Coach Hendrix, Coach Jacobs, and Coach Lamb are all safe.

[caribbeanhen]

Why is Carter Peevy in Maine?

No grad program at Mercer?

[Reign of Terrier]

To be clear: I don't want to fire Watson...as a head coach. I definitely want to fire him as an OC though. The good news is that we can fix that problem without terminating anyone's employment.

But if he can't win 5 games this year and/or push for the playoffs next year, he's probably gone, especially if we lose our DC after this season.

The only coach I see on the hot seat is Hatcher

[FUBeAR]

Why is Carter Peevy in Maine?

No grad program at Mercer?
Mercer has many grad programs - https://www.mercer.edu/academics/graduate-professional-study/, - as well as a Med School & a Law School.

Hard to say precisely with Peevy’s departure. No inside info, but FUBeAR thinks it was one of those situations where the “relationship” had just run its course. Both parties benefited from their time together, but the new Coaching Staff may have wanted to “see other people” and Peevy may have wanted to “spread his wings.”

FUBeAR believes it was a quite amicable separation, but he could just be being optimistic. As a fan, it did just feel as described above…time to move on for both and all good feels; certainly no hard ones.

[Mocs123]

Hmmm….

- Coach Hatcher might be if they hadn’t have extended him after 2022. Samford ain’t buyin’ out 3 (or so) years.

- RoT wants to fire Woffy’s Coach Watson.

- Some bellhop alums want to fire Coach Drayton … but … well … you know … he’s just not “their kind” of Head Coach and never could / will be … y’know.

- With all of his “Championship or bust” bluster last year and constant talk (talk only, so far) of a lofty future from Day1, FUBeAR would think some WCU peeps might be getting a bit disillusioned with Coach Bell…but it doesn’t seem so. Massey says the Catamounts are going 4-8 / 3-5 - no SoCon Championship (ever and in almost a half a century) & no Playoffs (in 40+ years). Would that get the drums beating in Cullowhee?

- Dunno how the Roos’ Fans are feeling about Coach Rocco, but he doesn’t seem to be filling Coach Wachenheim’s boots very well … so far.

- At 0-3, with 0 SoCon Championships in 5 years, FUBeAR was seeing a lot of displeasure with Coach Wright among Mocs fans / alums. Wins over a Big Sky Team and ETSU have quieted that for now, but do those naysayers pipe back up even more loudly with a loss in Travelers Rest this weekend?

Coach Hendrix, Coach Jacobs, and Coach Lamb are all safe.

Hatcher is probably the closest to being on the hot seat but I don't see Samford buying him out - plus he's going to win just enough to keep them wrangled in.

The Citadel seems to go through cycles of success - to be honest I'm not sure how they feel about him, but Drayton hasn't been there long.

I could see Wofford fans being upset with Watson, since he's not Ayers and he's not going to win as much as Ayers, but he's not Conklin either and I imagine fans are just glad to be winning again.

Bell's brought more sustained success in Cullowhee than they've seen in a long time - I don't see him going anywhere.

Wachenheim worked magic in Lexington - I don't see them having that success again anytime soon - It's just such a hard place to recruit to.

As for the Mocs - there are certainly fans not happy with Coach Wright, but none the less, he's not going anywhere as we couldn't afford to buy him out if we wanted to - like many FCS programs.

[caribbeanhen]

Mercer has many grad programs - https://www.mercer.edu/academics/graduate-professional-study/, - as well as a Med School & a Law School.

Hard to say precisely with Peevy’s departure. No inside info, but FUBeAR thinks it was one of those situations where the “relationship” had just run its course. Both parties benefited from their time together, but the new Coaching Staff may have wanted to “see other people” and Peevy may have wanted to “spread his wings.”

FUBeAR believes it was a quite amicable separation, but he could just be being optimistic. As a fan, it did just feel as described above…time to move on for both and all good feels; certainly no hard ones.

sounds reasonable. I did see they benched Peevy, a Georgia boy, for a few seasons and a younger and much cockier Peevy learned some things along the way, so yes your answer makes even more sense I guess

thanks

[FUBeAR]

Bell's brought more sustained success in Cullowhee than they've seen in a long time - I don't see him going anywhere.
..if you say so…





Overall
Overall
Overall
SoCon
SoCon
SoCon



WCU
Season
Coach
W
L
%
W
L
%
SoCon
Finish


2021 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Western_Carolina_Catamounts_football_team)
Kerwin Bell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerwin_Bell)
4
7
0.364
4
4
0.500
4th-T


2022 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Western_Carolina_Catamounts_football_team)
Kerwin Bell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerwin_Bell)
6
5
0.545
4
4
0.500
5th


2023 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Western_Carolina_Catamounts_football_team)
Kerwin Bell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerwin_Bell)
7
4
0.636
5
3
0.625
4th


202 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Western_Carolina_Catamounts_football_team)4
Kerwin Bell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerwin_Bell)
2
3
0.400
1
0
1.000
TBD


ALL
Kerwin Bell (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerwin_Bell)
19
19
0.500
14
11
0.560




If mediocrity was the target, Coach Bell has hit the bullseye…so far.

[FUBeAR]

sounds reasonable. I did see they benched Peevy, a Georgia boy, for a few seasons and a younger and much cockier Peevy learned some things along the way, so yes your answer makes even more sense I guess

thanks
He never seemed “cocky” to FUBeAR - confidence in his throws was sometimes even an issue - “just zing it, young man!”

After, Peevy, as a True Freshman, filled a Starting QB void left by the catastrophic lower leg injury (from a “hip drop” tackle) to potential all-star QB, Robert Riddle, in the Spring Season of ‘21, another native Georgia-boy, Fred Payton, who had started and won games for Coastal Carolina before an injury and current P5 (NC State) Starting QB, Grayson McCall, moved into Payton’s starting role for the Beach Cheekins, transferred to Mercer, and led the Bears (along with Coach Drew Cronic, et al) from mired in middle of-the-SoCon pack to competing for SoCon Championships. Peevy adequately picked up that mantle and led Mercer to their 1st Playoff berth, and victory, in 2023.

[Go Green]

I'd think that Penn's Ray Priore may be on the hot seat if the Quakers finish with a losing record. His record with players he's recruited has been mediocre.

The new Ivy coaches are off to nice starts. Yale and Princeton are having subpar seasons thus far, but their coaches have had plenty of past success and aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Reign of Terrier]

This may be anathema to the Wachenheim admiration, but one of the reasons VMI was ever successful is (head) coaching Stony Brook now

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Mike Houston, former coach of The Citadel and JMU, was fired this morning by ECU. He led the Dukes to the 2016 FCS National Title...

East Carolina is the the Nebraska of G5....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I have to think Farley's seat in Cedar Falls is growing much warmer. Regardless of the fact UNI and the state of Iowa need to allocate more resources for the program to improve its chances to compete again on the national level, it just feels like change is needed at head coach.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

As we head to November I have the following...
Chris Merritt: Bryant
Joe Conlin: Fordham
Stan Dakotsy: Colgate
Aaron Best: Eastern Washington
Mark Farley: Northern Iowa
Vincent Brown: North Carolina A&T...recent public comments are not promising
Ray Priore: Penn

[Reign of Terrier]

If he can’t beat the citadel and Furman, I think Shawn Watson may have put himself back on the hot seat. As great and fun as our defense is to watch, having 3 straight years of less than 4 wins under his leadership wouldn’t cut it.

[Mocs123]

If he can’t beat the citadel and Furman, I think Shawn Watson may have put himself back on the hot seat. As great and fun as our defense is to watch, having 3 straight years of less than 4 wins under his leadership wouldn’t cut it.

I wonder if Wofford is in a tough place, as I'm not sure they'll ever be able to recreate the success of Mike Ayers coaching and Jerry Richardson money. Ayers got a ton out of his players, and his option attack was something that could be extremely effective with a slightly less athletic roster. Richardson's funding made sure that resources were never an issue, which might be hard to sustain with under 2,000 students.

Perhaps I'm wrong but it just seems that the Terriers had the perfect combination for a while and it may not be easily replicated especially in today's world of NIL and the Portal. Wofford has no graduate school, correct?

[JacksFan40]

As we head to November I have the following...
Chris Merritt: Bryant
Joe Conlin: Fordham
Stan Dakotsy: Colgate
Aaron Best: Eastern Washington
Mark Farley: Northern Iowa
Vincent Brown: North Carolina A&T...recent public comments are not promising
Ray Priore: Penn
Bubba Schweigert from UND should be absolutely on the hot seat but UND will probably extend him after a 7-5 finish.

[Libertine]

This may be anathema to the Wachenheim admiration, but one of the reasons VMI was ever successful is (head) coaching Stony Brook now

Not anathema at all. One of the best qualities a head coach can have is to spot talent and to help develop it, be that players or assistant coaches.

[NDSU1980]

Bubba Schweigert from UND should be absolutely on the hot seat but UND will probably extend him after a 7-5 finish.
I'd say bubba's seat ain't even remotely warm. You are right, bubba will get another extension. Bubba is the best, und passed on Kalen DeBoer to hire bubba so you know he's good.

[McNeese72]

Gary Goff!

[grizband]

Stony Brook 27 Fordham 21 Final

No relief for Conlin. Tough home loss to a team nearby program that was 0-10 last season...but has a new coach...
The fates of both teams have diverged drastically since this game six weeks ago. Stony Brook is now 6-2, and tied for third in the CAA, while Fordham sits at 0-8 at the bottom of the Patriot League.

[F'N Hawks]

Bubba should be but he has one more year before a decision would need to be made so another 6 or 7 win season for the Hawks. Rinse, repeat

[DFW HOYA]

I don't think you can judge the Patriot League by the standard rules of a coaching hot seat. Six of the seven coaches have career records under .500, and the dean of the coaches, now in his 11th season, is 35-71 (.330).

The problem with Colgate (2-6) is not Stan Dakosty, it's the schedules he inherited from Dan Hunt. In 2022, seven road games with games at Stanford, at Maine, at Army. In 2023, four of the first five on the road. In 2024, two of the first three and four of the final five are on the road. How does one build momentum with that? If Colgate had Bucknell or Lafayette's schedule, they'd probably be 5-3 now.

For Fordham, they've fallen from a nine-win playoff team in 2022 to 0-8 in 2024. Joe Conlin had four consecutive winning seasons before this one, which has a lot of injuries, so starting over with new leadership in 2025 might be premature. However, all the PL programs are casting a wary eye to the south as Richmond has won six straight and could run the table heading into its regular season finale with William & Mary. If a PL program doesn't think they have the right pieces in place to compete with UR next year, they're running out of time to do something about it.

[Mocs123]

I think UR will run through the Patriot League next year. It was an odd move for them to make in my opinion, though the CAA isn't what it used to be.

[kab]

Bubbas seat won’t be hot until the AD is gone

[crusader11]

Even if Fordham goes 0-11, I'm not sure Conlin is gone.

PL schools don't typically buy-out contracts. He has two years left on his deal. Let's say he's making $250K/year. Is Fordham willing to pay him half a million dollars not to coach? If the previous AD was smart, he'd have put some sort of clause in Conlin's contract when he was extended that protected Fordham a bit.

[Reign of Terrier]

I wonder if Wofford is in a tough place, as I'm not sure they'll ever be able to recreate the success of Mike Ayers coaching and Jerry Richardson money. Ayers got a ton out of his players, and his option attack was something that could be extremely effective with a slightly less athletic roster. Richardson's funding made sure that resources were never an issue, which might be hard to sustain with under 2,000 students.

Perhaps I'm wrong but it just seems that the Terriers had the perfect combination for a while and it may not be easily replicated especially in today's world of NIL and the Portal. Wofford has no graduate school, correct?

NIL, the portal, all that stuff is a little overrated at this level. Same with talent. Talent is typically developed at this level, not something you pluck out of high school and plug in, like the SEC. Wofford's benefited more from the portal (gotten quality players) than it's been hurt since 2021 or so. Definitely since Conklin left.

It would certainly help Wofford to have a graduate school, so we could recruit more experienced players, but the reality is there's also countless G5 players riding the bench with 2-3+ years of eligibility that just want to play. Both of our starting safeties are an example of this.

Wofford's facilities are still near the top of the FCS, or at least among private schools. Had a parent of a current player tell me ours were easily better than the ivies they visited.

Wofford's problems right now aren't in physical capital or financial resources, but in not investing enough in human capital. But we have a new AD who understands that. Wofford's in perfect position for another coach to come in and be successful. Watson can still be successful, but he needs an OC.

At the end of the day, Wofford has done really good the last few years in baseball and volleyball, despite struggling with basketball and football. That had more to do with the men leading those teams than off the field stuff. Watson is a huge improvement under Conklin (who benefited from having two elite OCs, one who is coaching defense in the NFL), but his issue is he's running a high-risk, high-reward NFL offense among players who can't run the system (throw and catch in tight space).

If he loses his job, it's because he insists on the system. He's gotta win 5 games to feel confident about his job. I could see him keeping it at 4, but we have a new AD who loses nothing by firing him.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Even if Fordham goes 0-11, I'm not sure Conlin is gone.

PL schools don't typically buy-out contracts. He has two years left on his deal. Let's say he's making $250K/year. Is Fordham willing to pay him half a million dollars not to coach? If the previous AD was smart, he'd have put some sort of clause in Conlin's contract when he was extended that protected Fordham a bit.

Given the context of the following university release, Fordham fired Tom Masella following the Rams 1-10 record in 2011. I don't anticipate the ongoing AD transition will divert the attention of Ram athletic admin/supporters from the dumpster fire the football program has burst into. Enough people (definitely not just me) have planted the seeds of concern regarding Conlin's decision making, team's inconsistent efforts, his erratic sideline behavior etc. that this season's bottoming out is part of a larger, very troubling sample size.

https://fordhamsports.com/news/2011/11/19/111911aac_122


Fordham University Executive Director of Athletics Frank McLaughlin announced today that head football coach Tom Masella (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/ford/sports/m-footbl/mtt/masella_tom00.html) has been relieved of his duties effective immediately.

Dakosty is the more interesting one. I'm hoping to take some time tomorrow to expand on the "Langel Effect". He's the athletic department alpha Dunlap and Biddle once were in Hamilton when Raider Football ruled the day...

[caribbeanhen]

Danny Rocco should be on it, but not sure VMI really has a hot seat for football in the new and not improved NIL Portal era

[Mocs123]

VMI has had three winning seasons in the past 40 years, so they aren't firing Rocco. Not to mention VMI like a lot of schools probably doesn't have the money to fire a coach.

VMI is a really tough place to be successful - military school, not any real football history, dorms with no A/C, a requirement to recruit a lot of Va kids, no lights on their stadium, etc. There are some of the same challenges at The Citadel, but they at least have Charleston, and CoC (which is primarily female) right down the road. Plus The Citadel does have some football history.

[caribbeanhen]

VMI has had three winning seasons in the past 40 years, so they aren't firing Rocco. Not to mention VMI like a lot of schools probably doesn't have the money to fire a coach.

VMI is a really tough place to be successful - military school, not any real football history, dorms with no A/C, a requirement to recruit a lot of Va kids, no lights on their stadium, etc. There are some of the same challenges at The Citadel, but they at least have Charleston, and CoC (which is primarily female) right down the road. Plus The Citadel does have some football history.

great points and Cosh is on Long Island

[TribeNomad1]

VMI has had three winning seasons in the past 40 years, so they aren't firing Rocco. Not to mention VMI like a lot of schools probably doesn't have the money to fire a coach.

VMI is a really tough place to be successful - military school, not any real football history, dorms with no A/C, a requirement to recruit a lot of Va kids, no lights on their stadium, etc. There are some of the same challenges at The Citadel, but they at least have Charleston, and CoC (which is primarily female) right down the road. Plus The Citadel does have some football history.


I had always heard about the co-eds at C of C. A number of years ago we toured (did USC, Clemson, UNC on that swing) and was not impressed with the "talent". Then the males, beta males for sure.

[Reign of Terrier]

VMI has had three winning seasons in the past 40 years, so they aren't firing Rocco. Not to mention VMI like a lot of schools probably doesn't have the money to fire a coach.

VMI is a really tough place to be successful - military school, not any real football history, dorms with no A/C, a requirement to recruit a lot of Va kids, no lights on their stadium, etc. There are some of the same challenges at The Citadel, but they at least have Charleston, and CoC (which is primarily female) right down the road. Plus The Citadel does have some football history.

You’re right that they won’t fire him, but this whole “they can’t do a buyout” thing is funny because it presumes a buyout exists in the first place. People assumed Wofford wouldn’t fire Conklin because of buyouts when he had none - he was just an employee of the college and the AD was a moron. I heard an apocryphal story that a citadel alumni handed Drayton’s predecessor a check for the equivalent of his buyout midway through his last year (median well adjusted Citadel alumnus imo). Buyouts that are huge are really stupid at this level. Maybe buyouts period are stupid at this level. At the FBS level they started primarily to not be left out to dry if your coach got pillaged by the NFL - or another FBS team. IE to protect good coaches, not to stop you from firing bad coaches. Same dynamics aren’t here.

At the end of the day, the citadel has better facilities, more money to spend on their program, a better location, and most importantly they have a grad school that allows them to circumvent nob hazing. They will always have superior capabilities to VMI. I hate dunking on VMI but it’s just objectively true that your program is in a rut if you lose to them more than once every 3 or 4 years in today’s game. I can’t understate how bad VMI’s football field is and how bad their transfer problem is.


I had always heard about the co-eds at C of C. A number of years ago we toured (did USC, Clemson, UNC on that swing) and was not impressed with the "talent". Then the males, beta males for sure.

They were the hipster school by reputation when i was applying in the early 2010s

[FUBeAR]

I had always heard about the co-eds at C of C. A number of years ago we toured (did USC, Clemson, UNC on that swing) and was not impressed with the "talent". Then the males, beta males for sure.
If you are saying you were not impressed with the “talent” at Clemson, North Carolina, and South Carolina, and have always believed yourself to be a heterosexual male, you may need to make an appointment with a psychologist specializing in human sexuality.

If you are just talking about C of C, yeah, it ain’t what it used to be. Now up to 32% male. It’s been co-ed forever, but, for whatever reason, it used to be so highly female/male, that FUBeAR thought it was a girl’s school…like Converse used to be. Anyway, still today, if you view the co-ed’s at C of C using Daddy’s portfolio as a filter, they’re still way hot!

[TribeNomad1]

If you are saying you were not impressed with the “talent” at Clemson, North Carolina, and South Carolina, and have always believed yourself to be a heterosexual male, you may need to make an appointment with a psychologist specializing in human sexuality.

If you are just talking about C of C, yeah, it ain’t what it used to be. Now up to 32% male. It’s been co-ed forever, but, for whatever reason, it used to be so highly female/male, that FUBeAR thought it was a girl’s school…like Converse used to be. Anyway, still today, if you view the co-ed’s at C of C using Daddy’s portfolio as a filter, they’re still way hot!


Oh no, the other three a different animal, or this case Homo Sapien females.

[FUBeAR]

Oh no, the other three a different animal, or this case Homo Sapien females.
Got it.

And, now, here’s a pleasant musical interlude related to our topic (gotta wait for the final verse though) and it’s UGa instead of those previously mentioned, but certainly they all 4 play in the same subdivision.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpRpky8Zk84

[F'N Hawks]

Bump on Bubba

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Bump on Bubba

How hot is Bubba's seat? 7/10?

[TheKingpin28]

Bump on BubbaZero reason to believe that a hockey school would buy out one of their best coaches of all time. In fact, a lifetime contract should be rewarded.

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[POD Knows]

Zero reason to believe that a hockey school would buy out one of their best coaches of all time. In fact, a lifetime contract should be rewarded.

Sent from my SM-A546U1 using TapatalkHonestly, there needs to be a study, with UND as the focus, on ineptitude and failure for road games in football. They need to study the processes, preparation, mindset, diet, travel and any other relative data that UND does during the week and at game day with their away games. I don't know where I saw it but under Bubba their road game win % is something like 34 or 35%. That might be a decent number for some teams, but they hardly ever lose at home. Or maybe the investigation should focus on their over performance at home, refs being bought out, crowd noise being pumped in, toxic air being pumped into the visiting team's locker rooms, food and water tampering for the visiting teams and anything else that is relevant.

[caribbeanhen]

Honestly, there needs to be a study, with UND as the focus, on ineptitude and failure for road games in football. They need to study the processes, preparation, mindset, diet, travel and any other relative data that UND does during the week and at game day with their away games. I don't know where I saw it but under Bubba their road game win % is something like 34 or 35%. That might be a decent number for some teams, but they hardly ever lose at home. Or maybe the investigation should focus on their over performance at home, refs being bought out, crowd noise being pumped in, toxic air being pumped into the visiting team's locker rooms, food and water tampering for the visiting teams and anything else that is relevant.

this looks exactly like fans outside of North Dakota arguing about The Bison and the tremendous home field advantage they hold and Frisco is home game

[POD Knows]

this looks exactly like fans outside of North Dakota arguing about The Bison and the tremendous home field advantage they hold and Frisco is home game
That home field advantage was a myth, their road record was just as good. The winning % between home and away wasn’t that big for regular season games over the years. NDSU lost a fair number at home, hell, they lost twice at home to USD during the run. I just find it very odd that a team with a home winning percentage that UND has is completely lost on the road. It is the same team on the field every weekend, why the disparity, it must be these awesome home crowds at places like Indiana State and others. 😀

Also, their “premier” hockey program just dropped 2 away games this weekend, it was to a good team but whatever. You know, the school being in a different country and then having to travel to all these USA destination can wear on you after awhile. 😵*💫

[NDSU1980]

That home field advantage was a myth, their road record was just as good. The winning % between home and away wasn’t that big for regular season games over the years. NDSU lost a fair number at home, hell, they lost twice at home to USD during the run. I just find it very odd that a team with a home winning percentage that UND has is completely lost on the road. It is the same team on the field every weekend, why the disparity, it must be these awesome home crowds at places like Indiana State and others. 

Also, their “premier” hockey program just dropped 2 away games this weekend, it was to a good team but whatever. You know, the school being in a different country and then having to travel to all these USA destination can wear on you after awhile. *
Well it's known that bubba sleeps better when they're home.

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[TheKingpin28]

Honestly, there needs to be a study, with UND as the focus, on ineptitude and failure for road games in football. They need to study the processes, preparation, mindset, diet, travel and any other relative data that UND does during the week and at game day with their away games. I don't know where I saw it but under Bubba their road game win % is something like 34 or 35%. That might be a decent number for some teams, but they hardly ever lose at home. Or maybe the investigation should focus on their over performance at home, refs being bought out, crowd noise being pumped in, toxic air being pumped into the visiting team's locker rooms, food and water tampering for the visiting teams and anything else that is relevant.The odds should even out over time but it's crazy how bad they are away from their grain storage facility and the minute they step back in the Alerus Dump, they are damn near an immovable object.

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[ysubigred]

I'm not going to scroll the entire thread, but YSUs coaches should all be here.. piss poor job all the way around.

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[BEAR]

Nathan Brown and the entire staff. How do you continue to call division II plays and still keep your job? How do you lose to a team that is 0-9 when you worked all year to be ranked in the top 10? No. Fire the head coach and all those associated with that crew. Can we finally move out of division II? Please? xconfusedx

[Libertine]

Nathan Brown and the entire staff. How do you continue to call division II plays and still keep your job? How do you lose to a team that is 0-9 when you worked all year to be ranked in the top 10? No. Fire the head coach and all those associated with that crew. Can we finally move out of division II? Please? xconfusedx

I get there's frustration so please know that I'm not trying to poke the (literal) bear but...what the heck are "division II plays"?

[caribbeanhen]

I get there's frustration so please know that I'm not trying to poke the (literal) bear but...what the heck are "division II plays"?

plays that don't have talented enough players executing the play

[kab]

Rich coming from an ndsu guy , the fabulous Fargo dump vote will go down again , maybe they can store grain in there

[POD Knows]

Rich coming from an ndsu guy , the fabulous Fargo dump vote will go down again , maybe they can store grain in there
Yea, they could store 100,000 bu in the freaking trophy room. xnodx