Is Jose Canseco a Hall of Famer

[Gil Dobie]

If Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmiero are forgiven and eventually elected to the Hall of Fame, should Jose Canseco also be elected?

[NE MT GRIZZ]

No, I don't think so.

For him to have any chance, he would have needed 500 Home Runs, and he didn't get it.

[Franks Tanks]

If Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmiero are forgiven and eventually elected to the Hall of Fame, should Jose Canseco also be elected?

No way on Canseco, and I also doubt that Raffy will ever get into the hall. McGwire and Sosa may have trouble as well with the steroid cloud. Bonds and Clemens should be in, both of those guys would probably have been HOF's without roids, with em they were all time greats.

[blackfordpu]

No way on Canseco, and I also doubt that Raffy will ever get into the hall. McGwire and Sosa may have trouble as well with the steroid cloud. Bonds and Clemens should be in, both of those guys would probably have been HOF's without roids, with em they were all time greats.

Not good enough for the hall of fame IMO.

[Eyes of Old Main]

On baseball merits, I think Canseco is close, but definitely short of HOF credentials.

As for influence on the game, he just might qualify. He's been the first to openly discuss many of these issues and for all the talk about "I'm suing Canseco" for what he wrote, no one actually has so I tends to think he's probably telling the truth.

All that being said, if Marvin Miller can't get in for his off the field contributions tothe game, then Canseco shouldn't either. So I guess it's "Close but nio cigar, Jose".

[Ivytalk]

No. He was one-dimensional, his stats aren't quite up to it, and he was a "user."

[OSBF]

None of 'em. They left a stain on the game I love more than any other. I hope they all burn in hell.

[AshevilleApp2]

I don't think the numbers are there. Lifetime batting average of less than .265 and fewer than 500 home runs doesn't quite cut it.

[Franks Tanks]

Not good enough for the hall of fame IMO.

Clemens may have hit 300 wins even w/o the roids. If Goose is in then Clemens should be in too

[BlueHen86]

No to Canseco, McGwire and Sosa.
I'd have to think about Palmiero and I don't feel like thinking about him right now.
Yes to Bonds and Clemens.

[NE MT GRIZZ]

No to Canseco, McGwire and Sosa.
I'd have to think about Palmiero and I don't feel like thinking about him right now.
Yes to Bonds and Clemens.

Let's assume all here have juiced, I still think you have to put Sammy in there with the 600 HR's.

[BlueHen86]

Let's assume all here have juiced, I still think you have to put Sammy in there with the 600 HR's.
You may have a point. The difference to me is that I think Bonds and Clemens were dominant players even without 'roids. I'm not sure about Sosa and Palmiero.

I admit, it's all speculation on my part. For all I know none of them juiced. I don't have a HOF vote so I haven't though deeply on this, I'm just going on my uninformed 'gut' feeling.

[blackfordpu]

You may have a point. The difference to me is that I think Bonds and Clemens were dominant players even without 'roids. I'm not sure about Sosa and Palmiero.

I admit, it's all speculation on my part. For all I know none of them juiced. I don't have a HOF vote so I haven't though deeply on this, I'm just going on my uninformed 'gut' feeling.

All you Clemens apologists remember he was on a major decline in his career prior to 1999. Then somehow he magically rebounded at 38 and became a dominant pitcher again. No one gets better and throws harder at 38, no one.

[BlueHen86]

All you Clemens apologists remember he was on a major decline in his career prior to 1999. Then somehow he magically rebounded at 38 and became a dominant pitcher again. No one gets better and throws harder at 38, no one.
When exactly did I become a Clemens apologist?