STATS Poll: sept. 2, 2024

[kdinva]

https://theanalyst.com/2024/09/stats-perform-fcs-top-25-poll

1. South Dakota State (0-1, 0–0 MVFC), 1,363 points (36 of 56 first-place votes)
Previous Ranking: 1; Week 1: 44-20 loss at Oklahoma State; Week 2: No. 12 UIW

2. North Dakota State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 1,330 (11)
Previous Ranking:2; Week 1: 31-26 loss at Colorado; Week 2: Tennessee State
3. Montana State (2-0, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,288 (8)
Previous Ranking:4; Week 0: 35-31 win at New Mexico; Week 1: 31-7 win at Utah Tech; Week 2: Maine
4. Montana (1-0, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,239 (1)
Previous Ranking: 3; Week 1: 29-24 win over Missouri State; Week 2: at No. 23 North Dakota
5. Villanova (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 1,144
Previous Ranking: 6; Week 1: 24-17 win over then-No. 25 Youngstown State; Week 2: at Colgate
6. South Dakota (1-0, 0-0 MVFC), 1,128
Previous Ranking:5; Week 1: 45-3 win over Northern State; Week 2: at Wisconsin
7. Idaho (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,098
Previous Ranking:7; Week 1: 24-14 loss at Oregon; Week 2: at Wyoming
8. Sacramento State (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 881
Previous Ranking:8; Week 1: 42-24 loss at San Jose State; Week 2: at Fresno State
9. Central Arkansas (0-1, 0-0 UAC), 850
Previous Ranking:11; Week 1: 34-31 loss at Arkansas State; Week 2: at Lindenwood
10. Southern Illinois (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 807
Previous Ranking:10; Week 1: 41-13 loss at BYU; Week 2: at Austin Peay
11. Chattanooga (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 738
Previous Ranking:9; Week 1: 69-3 loss at Tennessee; Week 2: at Georgia State
12. UIW (1-0, 0-0 Southland), 698
Previous Ranking: 14; Week 1: 28-7 win over Northern Colorado; Week 2: at No. 1 South Dakota State
13. William & Mary (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 666
Previous Ranking:15; Week 1: 41-7 win over VMI; Week 2: at Coastal Carolina
14. Richmond (0-1, 0-0 CAA), 658
Previous Ranking:13; Week 1: 34-13 loss at Virginia; Week 2: Wofford
15. Furman (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 523
Previous Ranking:12; Week 1: 76-0 loss at Ole Miss; Week 2: Charleston Southern
16. UAlbany (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 502
Previous Ranking:16; Week 1: 27-21 win over LIU; Week 2: at West Virginia
17. Western Carolina (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 459
Previous Ranking:20; Week 1: 38-21 loss at NC State; Week 2: Campbell
18. UC Davis (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 437
Previous Ranking:18; Week 1: 31-13 loss at California; Week 2: Texas A&M-Commerce
19. Lafayette (0-1, 0-0 Patriot), 332
Previous Ranking:17; Week 1: 30-13 loss at Buffalo; Week 2: at Monmouth
20. Tarleton State (1-1, 0-0 UAC), 308
Previous Ranking:21; Week 0: 26-23 win over McNeese; Week 1: 45-3 loss at Baylor; Week 2: at HCU
21. Illinois State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 295
Previous Ranking:19; Week 1: 40-0 loss at Iowa; Week 2: at North Alabama
22. Nicholls (0-1, 0-0 Southland), 204
Previous Ranking:23; Week 1: 25-17 loss at Louisiana Tech; Week 2: at LSU
23. North Dakota (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 175
Previous Ranking: 24; Week 1: 21-3 loss at Iowa State; Week 2: No. 4 Montana
24. Weber State (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 171
Previous Ranking:22; Week 1: 35-3 loss at Washington; Week 2: Portland State
25. Youngstown State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 133
Previous Ranking:25; Week 1: 24-17 loss at then-No. 6 Villanova; Week 2: Valparaiso

Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Elon (0-1, 0-0 CAA) 120; Mercer (1-0, 0-0 SoCon) 117; Florida A&M (2-0, 0-0 SWAC) 99; UT Martin (0-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 98; Abilene Christian (0-1, 0-0 UAC) 74; North Carolina Central (1-0, 0-0 MEAC) 73; Eastern Illinois (0-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 59; Eastern Washington (1-0, 0-0 Big Sky) 41; Northern Iowa (1-0, 0-0 MVFC) 29; Austin Peay (0-1, 0-0 UAC) 19; Alabama State (0-1, 0-0 SWAC) 10; Rhode Island (1-0, 0-0 CAA) 9; Southeast Missouri (1-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 8; Harvard (0-0, 0-0 Ivy) 4; Lamar (0-1, 0-0 Southland) 4; West Georgia (1-0, 0-0 UAC) 2

[ElCid]

A couple slight head scratchers, but not terrible.

[GRIZ1948]

IDAHO should have moved up after #3 Oregon close all game. SDSU should have moved done getting stomped by a unranked FBS team. MONTANA STATE--barely beats a team they were favored to beat by 14 and beats a high school team and they move up?

[NY Crusader 2010]

IDAHO should have moved up after #3 Oregon close all game. SDSU should have moved done getting stomped by a unranked FBS team. MONTANA STATE--barely beats a team they were favored to beat by 14 and beats a high school team and they move up?

Pretty sure Oklahoma State was ranked, no?

[crusader11]

IDAHO should have moved up after #3 Oregon close all game. SDSU should have moved done getting stomped by a unranked FBS team. MONTANA STATE--barely beats a team they were favored to beat by 14 and beats a high school team and they move up?

Not quite.

Oklahoma St was ranked 17th and looks to be a legitimate contender in the Big 12.

Curb stomping is a bit harsh. Oklahoma St only out-gained SDSU by six yards. It was a 24-13 game midway through the third quarter. A convincing win for Oklahoma St, no doubt about it, but you're being hyperbolic.

Also, on Montana State -- they beat Utah Tech 31-7 and held them to six first downs. In what world is that "barely beating"?

[OhioHen]

IDAHO should have moved up after #3 Oregon close all game. SDSU should have moved done getting stomped by a unranked FBS team. MONTANA STATE--barely beats a team they were favored to beat by 14 and beats a high school team and they move up?
SDSU played at the #17 FBS team.

[wapiti]

IDAHO should have moved up after #3 Oregon close all game. SDSU should have moved done getting stomped by a unranked FBS team. MONTANA STATE--barely beats a team they were favored to beat by 14 and beats a high school team and they move up?

I too do not think the Cats should have moved up. Both the Cats and Griz did what they were suppose to do. There was no reason to swap them.

[Redbird 4th & short]

on scoreboard yes, #17 OK State finished way more drives. But statistically from LOS, it was mostly even game. OSU had modest advantage in 1st downs. But total yards, time of possession, # punts were all pretty much very even. Looking at the drive chart ... SDSU had 13 drives with just one starting beyond the 25 yd line (29 yd line). OK St had 13 drives with 8 starting beyon the 25 yd line, incl 5 of those 8 beyond the 40 yd line. Give OK St credit for managing the field position .. but this was the difference between the score vs stats. From LOS, it was an even game. Given how much SDSU lost from the 2 Natty teams, this is impressive.

but hardly a curb stomping in any way that suggests they should be dropped in rankings.

https://gojacks.com/sports/football/stats/2024/oklahoma-state/boxscore/14026#team-stats



Statistic
SDS
OSU


First Downs


Total
17
23


Rushing
3
10


Passing
13
12


Penalty
1
1


Rushing


Total (Net)
124
149


Attempts
28
39


Avg. Per Rush
4.4
3.8


Rushing TDs
0
3


Yds. Gained
141
160


Yds. Lost
17
11


Passing


Total (Net)
264
245


Comp.-Att.-Int.
20-37-1
24-33-0


Avg. / Att.
7.1
7.4


Avg. / Comp.
13.2
10.2


TDs
2
2


Total Offense


Yards
388
394


Plays
65
72


Avg. / Play
6
5.5


Fumbles - Lost
1-0
0-0


Penalties - Yds.
5-42
1-10


Punting


Punts - Yds.
3-144
4-219


Avg. / Punt
48
54.8

[eiu12345]

The first week is always hard.

[Redbird 4th & short]

https://theanalyst.com/2024/09/stats-perform-fcs-top-25-poll

1. South Dakota State (0-1, 0–0 MVFC), 1,363 points (36 of 56 first-place votes)
Previous Ranking: 1; Week 1: 44-20 loss at Oklahoma State; Week 2: No. 12 UIW
2. North Dakota State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 1,330 (11)
Previous Ranking:2; Week 1: 31-26 loss at Colorado; Week 2: Tennessee State
3. Montana State (2-0, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,288 (8)
Previous Ranking:4; Week 0: 35-31 win at New Mexico; Week 1: 31-7 win at Utah Tech; Week 2: Maine
4. Montana (1-0, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,239 (1)
Previous Ranking: 3; Week 1: 29-24 win over Missouri State; Week 2: at No. 23 North Dakota
5. Villanova (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 1,144
Previous Ranking: 6; Week 1: 24-17 win over then-No. 25 Youngstown State; Week 2: at Colgate
6. South Dakota (1-0, 0-0 MVFC), 1,128
Previous Ranking:5; Week 1: 45-3 win over Northern State; Week 2: at Wisconsin
7. Idaho (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 1,098
Previous Ranking:7; Week 1: 24-14 loss at Oregon; Week 2: at Wyoming
8. Sacramento State (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 881
Previous Ranking:8; Week 1: 42-24 loss at San Jose State; Week 2: at Fresno State
9. Central Arkansas (0-1, 0-0 UAC), 850
Previous Ranking:11; Week 1: 34-31 loss at Arkansas State; Week 2: at Lindenwood
10. Southern Illinois (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 807
Previous Ranking:10; Week 1: 41-13 loss at BYU; Week 2: at Austin Peay
11. Chattanooga (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 738
Previous Ranking:9; Week 1: 69-3 loss at Tennessee; Week 2: at Georgia State
12. UIW (1-0, 0-0 Southland), 698
Previous Ranking: 14; Week 1: 28-7 win over Northern Colorado; Week 2: at No. 1 South Dakota State
13. William & Mary (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 666
Previous Ranking:15; Week 1: 41-7 win over VMI; Week 2: at Coastal Carolina
14. Richmond (0-1, 0-0 CAA), 658
Previous Ranking:13; Week 1: 34-13 loss at Virginia; Week 2: Wofford
15. Furman (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 523
Previous Ranking:12; Week 1: 76-0 loss at Ole Miss; Week 2: Charleston Southern
16. UAlbany (1-0, 0-0 CAA), 502
Previous Ranking:16; Week 1: 27-21 win over LIU; Week 2: at West Virginia
17. Western Carolina (0-1, 0-0 SoCon), 459
Previous Ranking:20; Week 1: 38-21 loss at NC State; Week 2: Campbell
18. UC Davis (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 437
Previous Ranking:18; Week 1: 31-13 loss at California; Week 2: Texas A&M-Commerce
19. Lafayette (0-1, 0-0 Patriot), 332
Previous Ranking:17; Week 1: 30-13 loss at Buffalo; Week 2: at Monmouth
20. Tarleton State (1-1, 0-0 UAC), 308
Previous Ranking:21; Week 0: 26-23 win over McNeese; Week 1: 45-3 loss at Baylor; Week 2: at HCU
21. Illinois State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 295
Previous Ranking:19; Week 1: 40-0 loss at Iowa; Week 2: at North Alabama
22. Nicholls (0-1, 0-0 Southland), 204
Previous Ranking:23; Week 1: 25-17 loss at Louisiana Tech; Week 2: at LSU
23. North Dakota (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 175
Previous Ranking: 24; Week 1: 21-3 loss at Iowa State; Week 2: No. 4 Montana
24. Weber State (0-1, 0-0 Big Sky), 171
Previous Ranking:22; Week 1: 35-3 loss at Washington; Week 2: Portland State
25. Youngstown State (0-1, 0-0 MVFC), 133
Previous Ranking:25; Week 1: 24-17 loss at then-No. 6 Villanova; Week 2: Valparaiso



Not seeing it for Villlanova or Incarnate Word:

- Villanova lost a lot from their explosive offense last year .. top 3 RBs and top 3 WRs. Their returning QB really struggled without those weapons against YSU, who by all accounts were expecting a tough year on defense. I can see top 20 or 15, given how good they were a year ago .. but not top 5.

- Incarnate Word ... still not getting this one at all ... last or this year. They were 8-2 last year with a win over a D-II. Some polls had them #11 ging They played zero playoff teams. The lost to the toughest FCS team on their schedule, 6-5 Nicholls St by 13 at home. Nicholls St got auto bid at 6-4 and got trounced 35-0 by SIU. IW barely beat the next best 3 FCS teams. Add to that, IW only returns 8.2 of 22 starters. They were active on portal, but there is no reason for this preseason ranking whatsoever. Now they beat UNC 28-7, who was 0-11 last season and Keepers ranks #88 in returning starts/stats.

They were a preseason #7 last season (Stats/Coaches), and finished #11 on Coaches Poll despite not making playoffs. Stats and Selection Committee figured it out by end of season, though Stats still had them #22. AGS had them #24. Yet they start this year again in top 10 in every poll.

They had a nice run in 2021 and 2022. Those players are gone. They weren't even top 30 a year ago. And theyve done nothing to earn preseason top 20, much less top 10. I give them props for scheduling SDSU and SIU nonconf .. good timing as both lost a fair amount from a year ago per Keepers. Let's see how those 2 games in the next 2 weeks. SIU is getting a little too much love as well, given what theyve lost.



Date

Opponent
Rnk(Rec)
Result
PF
PA



Sat 11-04

Nicholls St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5455)
44(6-5)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288348)
32
45



Sat 09-16
at
Abilene Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/18)
47(5-6)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287568)
27
20



Sat 10-07

SE Louisiana (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7314)
61(3-8)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287889)
33
26



Sat 10-28
at
Lamar (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/3935)
63(6-5)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288211)
17
7



Sat 11-18
at
Houston Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/3354)
84(5-5)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288616)
45
24



Sat 09-09
at
N Colorado (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5625)
98(0-11)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287415)
42
7



Sat 10-14

TX A&M Commerce (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7868)
103(1-9)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287995)
28
11



Sat 10-21
at
McNeese St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/4613)
116(0-10)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288130)
35
24



Sat 09-23

North American (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/307782)
(1-10)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287665)
63
3



Sat 09-02
at
UTEP (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7933)
(3-9)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287247)
14
28




edit: need to correct IW comment they didn't play any playoff teams, and then contradicted my own point a couple sentences later. Initially I saw 6-5 record and assumed they didn't make playoffs. Then double checked to learn they were a 6-4 autobid, but forget to correct.

[POD Knows]

Not seeing it for Villlanova or Incarnate Word:

- Villanova lost a lot from their explosive offense last year .. top 3 RBs and top 3 WRs. Their returning QB really struggled without those weapons against YSU, who by all accounts were expecting a tough year on defense. I can see top 20 or 15, but not top 5.

- Incarnate Word ... still not getting this one at all ... last or this year. They were 8-2 last year with a win over a D-II. Some polls had them #11 ging They played zero playoff teams. The lost to the toughest FCS team on their schedule, 6-5 Nicholls St by 13 at home. Nicholls St got auto bid at 6-4 and got trounced 35-0 by SIU. IW barely beat the next best 3 FCS teams. Add to that, IW only returns 8.2 of 22 starters. They were active on portal, but there is no reason for this preseason ranking whatsoever. Now they beat UNC 28-7, who was 0-11 last season and Keepers ranks #88 in returning starts/stats.

They were a preseason #7 last season (Stats/Coaches), and finished #11 on Coaches Poll despite not making playoffs. Stats and Selection Committee figured it out by end of season, though Stats still had them #22. AGS had them #24. Yet they start this year again in top 10 in every poll.

They had a nice run in 2021 and 2022. Those players are gone. They weren't even top 30 a year ago. And theyve done nothing to earn preseason top 20, much less top 10. I give them props for scheduling SDSU and SIU nonconf .. good timing as both lost a fair amount from a year ago per Keepers. Let's see how those 2 games in the next 2 weeks. SIU is getting a little too much love as well, given what theyve lost.



Date

Opponent
Rnk(Rec)
Result
PF
PA



Sat 11-04

Nicholls St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5455)
44(6-5)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288348)
32
45



Sat 09-16
at
Abilene Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/18)
47(5-6)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287568)
27
20



Sat 10-07

SE Louisiana (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7314)
61(3-8)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287889)
33
26



Sat 10-28
at
Lamar (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/3935)
63(6-5)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288211)
17
7



Sat 11-18
at
Houston Chr (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/3354)
84(5-5)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288616)
45
24



Sat 09-09
at
N Colorado (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/5625)
98(0-11)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287415)
42
7



Sat 10-14

TX A&M Commerce (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7868)
103(1-9)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287995)
28
11



Sat 10-21
at
McNeese St (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/4613)
116(0-10)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938288130)
35
24



Sat 09-23

North American (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/307782)
(1-10)
W (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287665)
63
3



Sat 09-02
at
UTEP (https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/7933)
(3-9)
L (https://masseyratings.com/game.php?gid=938287247)
14
28



I have ICW at 23 in my poll and when they get curb stomped by 30 at SDSU this weekend they will be out of my poll.

[Puddin Tane]

Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Elon (0-1, 0-0 CAA) 120; Mercer (1-0, 0-0 SoCon) 117; Florida A&M (2-0, 0-0 SWAC) 99; UT Martin (0-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 98; Abilene Christian (0-1, 0-0 UAC) 74; North Carolina Central (1-0, 0-0 MEAC) 73; Eastern Illinois (0-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 59; Eastern Washington (1-0, 0-0 Big Sky) 41; Northern Iowa (1-0, 0-0 MVFC) 29; Austin Peay (0-1, 0-0 UAC) 19; Alabama State (0-1, 0-0 SWAC) 10; Rhode Island (1-0, 0-0 CAA) 9; Southeast Missouri (1-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 8; Harvard (0-0, 0-0 Ivy) 4; Lamar (0-1, 0-0 Southland) 4; West Georgia (1-0, 0-0 UAC) 2[/QUOTE]

somebody is paying attention!

peck em

[Christiank22]

I have ICW at 23 in my poll and when they get curb stomped by 30 at SDSU this weekend they will be out of my poll.

Does the word still run a pretty fast paced passing offense? If that’s the case I wouldn’t be surprised to see this game as a 49-40 type offensive shootout

[POD Knows]

Does the word still run a pretty fast paced passing offense? If that’s the case I wouldn’t be surprised to see this game as a 49-40 type offensive shootoutI am sure they do but they only scored 28 against Northern Colorado and NoCo is a trainwreck. We will see I guess, I don't have the best record predicting these things. :D

[MSUBobcat]

I am sure they do but they only scored 28 against Northern Colorado and NoCo is a trainwreck. We will see I guess, I don't have the best record predicting these things. :D

That vaunted Northern Colorado Bears defense...... The stuff that the '85 Bears could only dream of. xdrunkyx

[Christiank22]

I am sure they do but they only scored 28 against Northern Colorado and NoCo is a trainwreck. We will see I guess, I don't have the best record predicting these things. :D

In that case I take back my statement lol, probably more 49-10 then. SDSU of course

[Redbird 4th & short]

The first week is always hard.

yeesh, tell me about it. We went from one of our best P5 halves ever to one of our worst. Though Iowa may end up in contention for 12 team CFP playoff ... at least we're hoping that's how it ages.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Does the word still run a pretty fast paced passing offense? If that’s the case I wouldn’t be surprised to see this game as a 49-40 type offensive shootout

First, they have to get off the field on defense to get the ball on offense. Last year, IW lost to Nicholls St 45-32 in early November .. gave up 45 pts. Then Nicholls St played SIU a month later in 1st round of playoffs and got shut out 35-0. That's last December but still ... a big difference in defensive levels of MVFC.

But once they are on offense, IW against 0-11 Northern Colorado got 4 TDs, one on a very short field. In total, they had 13 drives ... 4 nice drives, one 36 yd drive, and then 8 drives of 16 yds or less. That just won't cut it against SDSU, who played #16 OK St mostly even statistically from LOS ... though got beat handily on scoreboard due to huge disparities in starting field position all game ... something like 10-20 yards on nearly every possession.

I have no skin in game against IW ... I just honestly dont get all the love. They had a nice short run. They may even have another. But until they do, let's make them earn top 10 or even top 25 love.