Ban Clemens and Bonds From baseball?

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Not that feckless Selig would every do something so moral and so bold, but really, isn't pulling a "Pete Rose" on Clemens and Bonds the best possible thing for baseball?

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[AZGrizFan]

Not that feckless Selig would every do something so moral and so bold, but really, isn't pulling a "Pete Rose" on Clemens and Bonds the best possible thing for baseball?

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What about the other 80 guys (or at least those that haven't already hung up the spikes?) They just get off scott free? xconfusedx

[Gil Dobie]

IOC them, erase all their stats since 1998, or from the time they are documented as a doper.

[FCS Preview]

Rose should be in the HoF.

Bonds would have been in the HoF w/o the drugs, but not as the HR King. Probably would have finished with 550-600 HR.

Clemens would have been in the HoF w/o the drugs, too

[Appaholic]

Let's ban MLB and see if anyone notices.........or cares.....xwhistlex

[Lehigh Football Nation]

What about the other 80 guys (or at least those that haven't already hung up the spikes?) They just get off scott free? xconfusedx

Many of them should be banned from baseball too. Certainly those with personal checks in the report all should be.

[Biff]

Let's ban MLB and see if anyone notices.........or cares.....xwhistlex

I agree. Screw MLB. The cheating has gone to far. I quit watching after the strike years ago, and now, as I get back into it, the steriods thing has officially ruined it for me.

Besides among the US youth, Soccer is becoming a bigger sport. Soccer in this country plays in the Summer and doesn't have so many damn games that none of them really matter. I think in the next 20 years MLB will have to make way for Soccer.

Pro Football seems to be the only good pro sport left, but, IMO, none of the pro sports really beat out the college ranks.

[Go...gate]

As crazy as this sounds, this steroid stuff makes Rose look better. Saw him on with Jon Stewart the other night and could not help thinking that.

[TheValleyRaider]

But what purpose does it serve to ban them? Really? What do we gain from banning people for this? AZGriz is absolutely right to bring up the other 80+ names in the Report, many of whom were nobodies. To me, that's a big sign that maybe this whole "steroids makes you a better ballplayer" thing ring exceedingly hollow. Should there be steroids in baseball? Probably not. Is that an excuse to start chucking people from the game left and right because of something they did that may or may not have given them a competitive advantage?

This has become a sad witch hunt, nothing more xsmhx


Besides among the US youth, Soccer is becoming a bigger sport. Soccer in this country plays in the Summer and doesn't have so many damn games that none of them really matter. I think in the next 20 years MLB will have to make way for Soccer.

xlolx

As much as I'm a big Soccer fan, that's crazy talk

[Go...gate]

[QUOTE=TheValleyRaider;826088]But what purpose does it serve to ban them? Really? What do we gain from banning people for this? AZGriz is absolutely right to bring up the other 80+ names in the Report, many of whom were nobodies. To me, that's a big sign that maybe this whole "steroids makes you a better ballplayer" thing ring exceedingly hollow. Should there be steroids in baseball? Probably not. Is that an excuse to start chucking people from the game left and right because of something they did that may or may not have given them a competitive advantage?

This has become a sad witch hunt, nothing more xsmhx

I screwed up the quote function. My response to to my respected Colgate colleagaue, The ValleyRaider:


But there has to be some accountability - if for no other reason than to send the message that it is wrong and will be punished in the future.

[TheValleyRaider]

I screwed up the quote function. My response to to my respected Colgate colleagaue, The ValleyRaider:


But there has to be some accountability - if for no other reason than to send the message that it is wrong and will be punished in the future.

I can respect the need for accountability, but I think we're getting that now. There is testing, there are punishments and you're going to start to see steroid use reduced in baseball. It'll probably never go away entirely, but casting aspersions on Bonds and Clemens gets us nowhere on the issue. Is their alleged cheating really worse than pitchers who admit to doctoring baseballs? Or corked bats? Or stealing signs? Or any of the other myraid ways of gaining an illegal competitive advantage in the game?

[Biff]

But what purpose does it serve to ban them? Really? What do we gain from banning people for this? AZGriz is absolutely right to bring up the other 80+ names in the Report, many of whom were nobodies. To me, that's a big sign that maybe this whole "steroids makes you a better ballplayer" thing ring exceedingly hollow. Should there be steroids in baseball? Probably not. Is that an excuse to start chucking people from the game left and right because of something they did that may or may not have given them a competitive advantage?

This has become a sad witch hunt, nothing more xsmhx



xlolx

As much as I'm a big Soccer fan, that's crazy talk


I don't hear the term "Baseball Mom" as often as "Soccer Mom."


Crazy talk maybe, but you heard from first.

[Gil Dobie]

I emailed my Senators and told them I supported the hearings. Cheaters need to be dealt with, just like the IOC deals with them. xthumbsupx

[NE MT GRIZZ]

I don't hear the term "Baseball Mom" as often as "Soccer Mom."


Crazy talk maybe, but you heard from first.

Baseball players are tough enough to get to their own damn games and practices. We don't need our mommies.
:D :D

[AZGrizFan]

I agree. Screw MLB. The cheating has gone to far. I quit watching after the strike years ago, and now, as I get back into it, the steriods thing has officially ruined it for me.

Besides among the US youth, Soccer is becoming a bigger sport. Soccer in this country plays in the Summer and doesn't have so many damn games that none of them really matter. I think in the next 20 years MLB will have to make way for Soccer.

Pro Football seems to be the only good pro sport left, but, IMO, none of the pro sports really beat out the college ranks.

Biff, biff, biff. People have been saying this exact same thing since I was knee high to a grasshopper. Baseball attendance has never been better. Little leagues continue to sprout up all over America, so many in fact that there are now 3-4 competing leagues IN ADDITION to Little League.

You could be right about one thing, though: Unless we find a way to curb the illegal immigration into this country from south of the border, MLB WILL have to make way for soccer in the border states....they DO love their soccer down there. xnodx

[ngineer]

As crazy as this sounds, this steroid stuff makes Rose look better. Saw him on with Jon Stewart the other night and could not help thinking that.

I was discussing this just the other day with some people, all who agreed, that what Rose did was not as damaging to baseball as what Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Giambi, etal have done.

[TheValleyRaider]

I was discussing this just the other day with some people, all who agreed, that what Rose did was not as damaging to baseball as what Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Canseco, Giambi, etal have done.

What's the rationale for that?

Just curious... xchinscratchx

[AZGrizFan]

What's the rationale for that?

Just curious... xchinscratchx

Only rationale I could think would be Rose's actions only affected the game he had control over. The other actions were far more pervasive and damaging to the public image of baseball in general. xcoffeex

[ngineer]

Only rationale I could think would be Rose's actions only affected the game he had control over. The other actions were far more pervasive and damaging to the public image of baseball in general. xcoffeex

Yes, and the fact that Rose betted on his team to win. Had he bet on his team to lose and taken actions to influence the game so as to win his bets would have been much more damaging a la the Black Sox scandal allegations. What today's jokers have done is taint the past 10 years of a wonderful game that is permanant. JMHO.

[TheValleyRaider]

Yes, and the fact that Rose betted on his team to win. Had he bet on his team to lose and taken actions to influence the game so as to win his bets would have been much more damaging a la the Black Sox scandal allegations. What today's jokers have done is taint the past 10 years of a wonderful game that is permanant. JMHO.

I guess we'll have to disagree on the severity there xpeacex

You've pointed out the great danger in a Pete Rose scenario, that of throwing games. That, to me, ruins the integrity of the game (the idea of fair competition) more so than an individual looking to get an edge. At the very least, you can always be sure that the guy juicing is trying to win, trying to be better, while with a bettor, it can be up for grabs. Besides, at the end of the day, isn't a big part of the drama to see who wins and who loses? I don't want that part of the game to feel tainted in that one side didn't try, and the idea of that bothers me much more than if individual players are cheating to gain an edge xtwocentsx

[ngineer]

I guess we'll have to disagree on the severity there xpeacex

You've pointed out the great danger in a Pete Rose scenario, that of throwing games. That, to me, ruins the integrity of the game (the idea of fair competition) more so than an individual looking to get an edge. At the very least, you can always be sure that the guy juicing is trying to win, trying to be better, while with a bettor, it can be up for grabs. Besides, at the end of the day, isn't a big part of the drama to see who wins and who loses? I don't want that part of the game to feel tainted in that one side didn't try, and the idea of that bothers me much more than if individual players are cheating to gain an edge xtwocentsx

I'm not saying Rose should not be punished. Had he bet against his team and acted to influence the outcome, no question on the banishment. What these druggies have done is raise questions about the integrity of thousands of games, just as drugs in the Olympics effects their outcomes.

[dbackjon]

Yes!!

Both are pond scum.

Make the Yankees give back the titles they won too :D

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Only rationale I could think would be Rose's actions only affected the game he had control over. The other actions were far more pervasive and damaging to the public image of baseball in general. xcoffeex

Of course the logic goes thusly then:

Rose is banned from baseball for doing something less than Clemens, Bonds, Giambi, Sosa, et. al.

Banning Rose from baseball appears to have had a good effect (i.e. you don't hear of any other players in gambling fixes in baseball).

So wouldn't banning the "HGH 80" have a similar effect?

[AZGrizFan]

Of course the logic goes thusly then:

Rose is banned from baseball for doing something less than Clemens, Bonds, Giambi, Sosa, et. al.

Banning Rose from baseball appears to have had a good effect (i.e. you don't hear of any other players in gambling fixes in baseball).

So wouldn't banning the "HGH 80" have a similar effect?

Yes, I believe it would. I also believe, however, that athletes have already moved on beyond the steroids and HGH, to something ELSE that is unknown to most of us. The chemists will always stay one or two steps ahead of the authorities.