MM Hoops Poll -- 12/31

[TexasTerror]

Not much movement of the top 10 schools as they all stay the same outside of Holy Cross falling out. SFA was a big mover, going up five spots to #11. Welcome to Illinois St on moving in!

1. Butler (28) 12-1 772 1
2. St. Mary's (2) 12-1 745 2
3. Gonzaga (1) 9-4 683 3
4. George Mason 9-3 661 5
5. Creighton 9-2 579 4
6. UC Santa Barbara 11-2 547 8
7. Sam Houston State 11-1 531 7
8. Kent State 10-2 514 10
9. Akron 10-2 473 9
10. VCU 8-3 460 15
11. Stephen F. Austin 11-1 419 16
12. Western Kentucky 9-4 388 12
13. Holy Cross 7-3 379 7
14. New Orleans 11-2 331 17
15. Drake 10-1 312 18
16. Georgia Southern 9-3 284 14
17. Wright State 8-3 261 22
18. Valparaiso 10-3 221 13
19. Texas-Arlington 9-2 203 19
20. Southern Illinois 6-6 202 15
21. Northern Iowa 9-3 201 21
22. South Alabama 10-3 198 23
23. Illinois State 9-3 131 NR
24. Winthrop 7-5 94 NR
25. IUPUI 9-3 78 20

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Miami 74, Siena 61, Davidson 58, Ohio 44, Cal State Fullerton 37, Niagara 23, Bradley 14, James Madison 14, Missouri State 14, Marist 10, North Texas 10, East Tennessee State 9, Central Arkansas 6, Old Dominion 5, Wofford 5, Rider 4, Arkansas-Little Rock 3, UNC Asheville 3, San Diego 3, Wichita State 3, Cal State Northridge 2, Drexel 2, Illinois Chicago 2, Long Island 2, Cornell 1, Northern Arizona 1, Wagner 1.

[ucdtim17]

How is Dayton not Mid Major? What's their definition?

[OSBF]

This upsets me. No MVC team should EVER be called a MM. The MVC is now one of the big boys, not a BCS, but as far as mens college bouncy ball, we are now a major.

[OSBF]

I'm sorry what is MVC?

THE MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE, the finest men's basketball conference in the land, nothing more, nothing less.

[TexasTerror]

some guy the other day, was trying to tell me the A10 was mid major?

ESPN includes the A-10, C-USA (outside of Memphis) and MWC among their mid-majors...

ESPN.com's Mid-Major Top 10
1. Butler (1)
2. Dayton (2)
3. Xavier (3)
4. Houston (6)
5. Rhode Island (NR)
6. UMass (NR)
7. UNLV (NR)
8. Illinois State (NR)
9. Drake (10)
10. BYU (4)

Dropped:
Saint Mary's (5), Creighton (7), Oral Roberts (8), Sam Houston State (9)

[th0m]

JMU getting votes....wow. Really not that deserving, but it's an incredible improvement from recent years!

[siuham]

This upsets me. No MVC team should EVER be called a MM. The MVC is now one of the big boys, not a BCS, but as far as mens college bouncy ball, we are now a major.

Yes it should b a mid major. This year may prove it. The MVC had an awful OOC run, and didn't beat anyone notable.

[seantaylor]

I agree about the MVC. Much better conference than the SEC or Big 10

[Fresno St. Alum]

All the FBS conferences plus the A-10 & MVC shouldn't be mid major. That is such bs that ESPN has a whole conference except Memphis as a MM.

[Thunderstruck84]

There are other conferences that could also fall in the gray area. Certainly, the MVC heads the list, and not including the A10 or CUSA, I'd also put the MWC, WAC, and CAA in there, in any given year those leagues could put 2, maybe even 3 teams in the tournament.

[OSBF]

Yes it should b a mid major. This year may prove it. The MVC had an awful OOC run, and didn't beat anyone notable.


Then why, in what is supposed to be a down year, is the MVC 7th in overall conf RPI, just thousandths of points behing the B10?(according to realtimerpi.com)

You gonna make it to Redbird Arena Sat to witness the beatdown the doggies so richly deserve? Look me up, I'll be the guy wearing red.

[siuham]

Then why, in what is supposed to be a down year, is the MVC 7th in overall conf RPI, just thousandths of points behing the B10?(according to realtimerpi.com)

You gonna make it to Redbird Arena Sat to witness the beatdown the doggies so richly deserve? Look me up, I'll be the guy wearing red.

Just sayin', who has anyone in the MVC beat OOC this year?

Last year, the MVC was at the top, shouldn't have been considered close to being a mid-major. Same with the year before. This year? Meh.

Cincinnati? Iowa? Nebraska? St. Mary's?

Don't know why you're trying to talk smack in here, go over to Valley Talk, I hear they love it there. If SIU wins tonight, you can go ahead and have some legit concern about our game Saturday, but uh, until SIU wins a road game, don't worry about it, just worry about winning in Carbondale.

[mcveyrl]

JMU getting votes....wow. Really not that deserving, but it's an incredible improvement from recent years!

We've actually been pretty good this year. Our losses are a junk loss to VMI, an OT loss at Seton Hall that we should've won (we led by 19 during the second half) and a loss in the finals of the Charleston tournament to Charleston (we also played like doo-doo in that game).

On top of that, we beat #6 VCU last night on a buzzer beater.

I'm actually considering heading up to Harrisonburg for the BracketBusters game in February.