Largest Schools Without Div. I Football

[DFW HOYA]

With South Alabama, Charlotte and Georgia State looking to join the ranks soon, here is a list of the ten largest Div. I schools not playing football:

1. Cal State-Fullerton (37,130 students, former I-A school)
2. Cal State-Long Beach (36,870, former I-A school)
3. Virginia Commonwealth (31,907)
4. George Mason (29,889, has a club team)
5. IUPU-Indianapolis (29,765)
6. Wisconsin-Milwaukee (29,205, has a club team)
7. Boston University (27,427, former I-AA school)
8. Cal-Irvine (25,220)
9. Texas-Arlington (24,825, former I-AA school)
10. George Washington (24,531, former I-A school)

Any others that should be on this list?

[Appaholic]

With South Alabama, Charlotte and Georgia State looking to join the ranks soon, here is a list of the ten largest Div. I schools not playing football:

1. Cal State-Fullerton (37,130 students, former I-A school)
2. Cal State-Long Beach (36,870, former I-A school)
3. Virginia Commonwealth (31,907)
4. George Mason (29,889, has a club team)
5. IUPU-Indianapolis (29,765)
6. Wisconsin-Milwaukee (29,205, has a club team)
7. Boston University (27,427, former I-AA school)
8. Cal-Irvine (25,220)
9. Texas-Arlington (24,825, former I-AA school)
10. George Washington (24,531, former I-A school)

Any others that should be on this list?

Duke....North Carolina

[Appinator]

Duke....North Carolina

HA well played senator

[LBPop]

I congratulate you on your self-control by not naming Michigan.xnodx xlolx

[TrueBlueHen]

The bottem half of the MAC!

[slycat]

utsa has 25000 - 30000 students and no football.....yet.

[UCAMonkey]

Phoenix University 108,000 plus. xthumbsupx

[TexasTerror]

Phoenix University 108,000 plus. xthumbsupx

And a stadium to boot!

http://www.azcentral.com/ent/calendar/venues/pics/cardsstadium.jpg

[mrklean]

Georgia State University

[RadMann]

State University of New York at Binghamton - 14,000

[ERASU2113]

Duke....North Carolina

xlolx xlolx xthumbsupx

[D1scout]

The bottem half of the MAC!

Include the bottom third of the Big Ten along with the bottom fourth of most conferences!xlolx

[terrierbob]

Kennesaw State U. (GA) 20,603

[Cobblestone]

Saint Louis University: 12,000 students. I believe they once had a D-I football program.

[401ks]

With South Alabama, Charlotte and Georgia State looking to join the ranks soon, here is a list of the ten largest Div. I schools not playing football:

1. Cal State-Fullerton (37,130 students, former I-A school)
2. Cal State-Long Beach (36,870, former I-A school)
3. Virginia Commonwealth (31,907)
4. George Mason (29,889, has a club team)
5. IUPU-Indianapolis (29,765)
6. Wisconsin-Milwaukee (29,205, has a club team)
7. Boston University (27,427, former I-AA school)
8. Cal-Irvine (25,220)
9. Texas-Arlington (24,825, former I-AA school)
10. George Washington (24,531, former I-A school)

Any others that should be on this list?

Three of these schools are within a 20 minute drive from my home! :(

[RadMann]

University of Vermont - 9 to 10K undergrads.

[Cobblestone]

Someone needs to tell the Presidents of these universities that they are supposed to build a university that the football team can be proud of.

[BDK@YSU]

Cal State Northridge - 26,854 undergrads

[ngineer]

I believe Wayne State University in Detroit is a pretty good size school, albeit the great majority of students are commuters..but I thought their enrollment was well over 20,000...xconfusedx

[401ks]

Cal State Northridge - 26,854 undergrads

Okay, that makes FOUR that are less than one hour away. :(

[BDK@YSU]

Someone needs to tell the Presidents of these universities that they are supposed to build a university that the football team can be proud of.

Things may have been different had it not been for the Title IX football program guillotine.

...and student apathy, but that's a different story.

edit: I see what you did there...

<= DUMB

[ngineer]

I believe Wayne State University in Detroit is a pretty good size school, albeit the great majority of students are commuters..but I thought their enrollment was well over 20,000...xconfusedx

I followed up my speculation and checked out Wayne State's website. They are Division II football and have an enrollment of over 33,000! So they're definitely in the top tier of large schools w/o D-I football.

[GOTOREROS]

How about UC San Diego? It's a great school and part of the great UC system in California, but somehow they haven't made it past DII.....someone over there must hate athletics on that campus....

[crunifan]

It's hard to believe that so many of these schools are so much bigger than the University of Iowa (30,000) or Iowa State University (28,000) let alone UNI (12,000) yet have no where near the athletic resources or facilities.

[ucdtim17]

UCSD has 26,000 students

[GoAgs72]

Cal-Irvine is really UC Irvine, part of same system as UC Davis, UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Riverside, UC Merced, UC Santa Cruz, UC Santa Barbara, UC San Francisco and UC Berkeley (the only one called Cal anything).

[Pauly LB]

Cal State Fullerton football was discontinued in 1992 as a result of title nine which also resulted in the discontinuation of many other football programs in the state of California.

Over the past few month there has been a grass-roots campaign to bring back football to Cal State Fullerton. As of now they are in the signature collecting phase.

Attached is the address with details...
http://www.tailgatingideas.com/2007/11/09/bring-back-titan-football/

[mvemjsunpx]

Things may have been different had it not been for the Title IX football program guillotine.

...and student apathy, but that's a different story.

edit: I see what you did there...

<= DUMB


Hey, don't blame Title-IX. Most (if not all) of these football programs were likely hemorrhaging money. If they were making money, something else would have been cut.

There are a lot of schools out there that have football & probably shouldn't.

[mvemjsunpx]

UCSD has 26,000 students

Are they the largest non-DI school (not counting Phoenix Online, of course)?

[DuckDuckGriz]

Cal State Northridge - 26,854 undergrads

This is true. They are a former Big Sky member that left in 2000. Good riddance.

[Hoyadestroya85]

Yeah but title ix made football even more expensive..
63 extra scholarships to account for.. at some schools that's over a million dollars

[TheBisonator]

Are they the largest non-DI school (not counting Phoenix Online, of course)?

Wayne State (MI) is the largest at over 33,000 students. They're DII.

[Mich Griz]

I believe Wayne State University in Detroit is a pretty good size school, albeit the great majority of students are commuters..but I thought their enrollment was well over 20,000...xconfusedx

Wayne State is 35000 undergrads over 40000 total

[FCS Preview]

I followed up my speculation and checked out Wayne State's website. They are Division II football and have an enrollment of over 33,000! So they're definitely in the top tier of large schools w/o D-I football.

But the original question was largest D-I schools w/o football, not largest schools w/o D-I football. They're not D-I.

[DFW HOYA]

Are they the largest non-DI school (not counting Phoenix Online, of course)?

That would be New York University at 40,870. NYU was a major college football team through the 1940's and was one of three schools (along with Georgetown and Fordham) who kicked off what is known today as non-scholarship football in 1964.

NYU's football program was dropped in 1966 shortly before it sold its Bronxville campus and dropped out of Division I basketball entirely, having played its home games at Madision Square Garden. (It was in the Final Four in 1960 and the round of 16 as late as 1963.)

But as for Division I schools, there are a lot of worthy candidates out there. A large enrollment helps, but you don't have to have 20,000 students out there to compete and excel...but it helps, of course.

[andy7171]

University of Maryland Baltimore County(UMBC) has about 15,000 students and no football team. They have a really nice stadium they use for lacrosse and soccer.

[spelunker64]

The bottem half of the MAC!

and the top...

[danefan]

University of Maryland Baltimore County(UMBC) has about 15,000 students and no football team. They have a really nice stadium they use for lacrosse and soccer.

UMBC stadium seats about 4500. Built for lacrosse. Would they be interested if the AEast ever got their heads out of their a$$es

http://www.umbcretrievers.com/info/facilities/images/stadium2.jpg

[Monarch History]

Old Dominion University (23,000) has been without football since 1940. We will play our first game in August 2009.xthumbsupx

[andy7171]

UMBC stadium seats about 4500. Built for lacrosse. Would they be interested if the AEast ever got their heads out of their a$$es

http://www.umbcretrievers.com/info/facilities/images/stadium2.jpg

I have heard them talk of starting up a football program. If AE does got to football, I think they would seriously consider it. Though UMBC is MUCH more of a commuter school than Towson.

[UAalum72]

Don't count on UMBC, after this post last summer by Retriever fan 'ball of rubber' on the America East forum:

"It happened two years ago. A donor approached the school and offered enough money to run a football program and keep the school Title IX compliant (remember, we just cut field hockey last fall). The athletic directors were about to jump all over the chance, and the Board of Regents was ok with it. The problem was the school's president, Freeman Hrabowski III. Yes, he's done wonders for the school academically, and yes, it is a highly sought after school in the state. But his exact words to the donor was "I do not want football in my school."

Now, when I heard this two years ago, I kind of rolled my eyes, shook my head and said that I wasn't surprised. I mean seriously, an alum with alot of money putting it toward a I-AA football team, and having that last? I didn't think of it much at the time.

It wasn't until recently when I found out who it was (from several high sources), and it made me furious. 'Twas the Ravens, and they wanted to move their pre-season training camp to UMBC, and fully fund a new football team. For how long? I don't know. But think about it...a fully funded I-AA football program with NFL (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/l) money, which probably would have been the best chance that the AE could get it's own football league. HOW COULD WE TURN DOWN THAT CHANCE?!?!?!

Was I surprised then? No. Am I surprised now, especially now that I know who the donor was? Still no. Hrabowski has prided this school more on not having a football team than the academics, the opportunities toward minorities (especially in Baltimore) and the chess team with it's Duke-UNC-like rivalry with Texas-Dallas. And he's a young guy, too, he'll be around for a while, and has said that as long as he's there, there will be no football. In his defense, he has shown support toward the other teams, he made the trip to Hartford in March, and he sat two rows below me at Byrd Stadium in the first round of the lacrosse tournament. But...turning away NFL money in a sense of ego.."

However, on the plus side, UMBC's co-ed flag football team is heading to the National Championships in Dallas next month
http://www.umbc.edu/window/flag_football.html

[CollegeSportsInfo]

Cal State Fullerton football was discontinued in 1992 as a result of title nine which also resulted in the discontinuation of many other football programs in the state of California.

Over the past few month there has been a grass-roots campaign to bring back football to Cal State Fullerton. As of now they are in the signature collecting phase.

Attached is the address with details...
http://www.tailgatingideas.com/2007/11/09/bring-back-titan-football/


More about...
State of Football in the State of California (http://collegesportsinfo.com/blog/2007/11/college-football-in-california.html)

[Pauly LB]

More about...
State of Football in the State of California (http://collegesportsinfo.com/blog/2007/11/college-football-in-california.html)

Unfortunately the article is not available thru the link any more. If possible could you copy and paste the article in a post.

Thanks...

[andy7171]

Don't count on UMBC, after this post last summer by Retriever fan 'ball of rubber' on the America East forum:

"It happened two years ago. A donor approached the school and offered enough money to run a football program and keep the school Title IX compliant (remember, we just cut field hockey last fall). The athletic directors were about to jump all over the chance, and the Board of Regents was ok with it. The problem was the school's president, Freeman Hrabowski III. Yes, he's done wonders for the school academically, and yes, it is a highly sought after school in the state. But his exact words to the donor was "I do not want football in my school."

Now, when I heard this two years ago, I kind of rolled my eyes, shook my head and said that I wasn't surprised. I mean seriously, an alum with alot of money putting it toward a I-AA football team, and having that last? I didn't think of it much at the time.

It wasn't until recently when I found out who it was (from several high sources), and it made me furious. 'Twas the Ravens, and they wanted to move their pre-season training camp to UMBC, and fully fund a new football team. For how long? I don't know. But think about it...a fully funded I-AA football program with NFL (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/l) money, which probably would have been the best chance that the AE could get it's own football league. HOW COULD WE TURN DOWN THAT CHANCE?!?!?!

Was I surprised then? No. Am I surprised now, especially now that I know who the donor was? Still no. Hrabowski has prided this school more on not having a football team than the academics, the opportunities toward minorities (especially in Baltimore) and the chess team with it's Duke-UNC-like rivalry with Texas-Dallas. And he's a young guy, too, he'll be around for a while, and has said that as long as he's there, there will be no football. In his defense, he has shown support toward the other teams, he made the trip to Hartford in March, and he sat two rows below me at Byrd Stadium in the first round of the lacrosse tournament. But...turning away NFL money in a sense of ego.."

However, on the plus side, UMBC's co-ed flag football team is heading to the National Championships in Dallas next month
http://www.umbc.edu/window/flag_football.html

Well that sucks eggs. UMBC is literally 2-3 miles from my house, not that I'm all that broken up by it. My loyalties lie 15 miles around the beltway in Towson. I can't imagine myslef going to a UMBC game over a Towson one. Although they might be a more competitive local rival than Morgan State has proven to be. Towson-UMBC lacrosse is always a heated game.

[UCAMonkey]

UALR has over 10k students
UT Pan American about 20k students

[SactoHornetFan]

Don't count on UMBC, after this post last summer by Retriever fan 'ball of rubber' on the America East forum:

"It happened two years ago. A donor approached the school and offered enough money to run a football program and keep the school Title IX compliant (remember, we just cut field hockey last fall). The athletic directors were about to jump all over the chance, and the Board of Regents was ok with it. The problem was the school's president, Freeman Hrabowski III. Yes, he's done wonders for the school academically, and yes, it is a highly sought after school in the state. But his exact words to the donor was "I do not want football in my school."

Now, when I heard this two years ago, I kind of rolled my eyes, shook my head and said that I wasn't surprised. I mean seriously, an alum with alot of money putting it toward a I-AA football team, and having that last? I didn't think of it much at the time.

It wasn't until recently when I found out who it was (from several high sources), and it made me furious. 'Twas the Ravens, and they wanted to move their pre-season training camp to UMBC, and fully fund a new football team. For how long? I don't know. But think about it...a fully funded I-AA football program with NFL (http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/l) money, which probably would have been the best chance that the AE could get it's own football league. HOW COULD WE TURN DOWN THAT CHANCE?!?!?!

Was I surprised then? No. Am I surprised now, especially now that I know who the donor was? Still no. Hrabowski has prided this school more on not having a football team than the academics, the opportunities toward minorities (especially in Baltimore) and the chess team with it's Duke-UNC-like rivalry with Texas-Dallas. And he's a young guy, too, he'll be around for a while, and has said that as long as he's there, there will be no football. In his defense, he has shown support toward the other teams, he made the trip to Hartford in March, and he sat two rows below me at Byrd Stadium in the first round of the lacrosse tournament. But...turning away NFL money in a sense of ego.."

However, on the plus side, UMBC's co-ed flag football team is heading to the National Championships in Dallas next month
http://www.umbc.edu/window/flag_football.html


Someone needs to tell that idiot that it isn't "his school." xmadx
It belongs to the State of Maryland

[OB55]

Grand Valley State (Michigan) has over 22,000 students, participates in D-II

[UCAMonkey]

Loyola Maramount 9,000
U New Orleans 12,000
UMKC over 14,000
Wright St 17,000
Oakland 18,000

[ASUG8]

UNC-Charlotte - 22K students, now voting on football

http://charlotte49erfootball.webkingpins.com/media/UNC_Charlotte_students_vote_on_football.pdf

http://media.www.nineronline.com/media/storage/paper971/news/2007/02/25/News/Football.Poll.Results.Announced-2743329.shtml

Word is they want to go FBS immediately - I have no idea what conference so far.

[UCAMonkey]

UNC-Charlotte - 22K students, now voting on football

http://charlotte49erfootball.webkingpins.com/media/UNC_Charlotte_students_vote_on_football.pdf

http://media.www.nineronline.com/media/storage/paper971/news/2007/02/25/News/Football.Poll.Results.Announced-2743329.shtml

Word is they want to go FBS immediately - I have no idea what conference so far.

Back to CUSA?

[danefan]

UNC-Charlotte - 22K students, now voting on football

http://charlotte49erfootball.webkingpins.com/media/UNC_Charlotte_students_vote_on_football.pdf

http://media.www.nineronline.com/media/storage/paper971/news/2007/02/25/News/Football.Poll.Results.Announced-2743329.shtml

Word is they want to go FBS immediately - I have no idea what conference so far.

See for a large thread on UNCC's vote:
http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35191

[wapiti]

How about DeVry? :p

I'm not sure how many students attend there.

Not sure which campus they would have the games at either? xsmiley_wix

It's dizzying to think about all the possibilities? xrotatehx xrotatehx

xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx

[UCAMonkey]

How about DeVry? :p

I'm not sure how many students attend there.

Not sure which campus they would have the games at either? xsmiley_wix

It's dizzying to think about all the possibilities? xrotatehx xrotatehx

xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx xlolx xnodx


ITT

[Herdman]

nm

[UCAMonkey]

IPFW 12,000
ETSU 12,000
UT Dallas 14,500 D3-No football.

[santosballnewhampshire]

I agree w/ uvm...... I bought the shirt that says.... UVM football undefeated since 1972

[MplsBison]

Wayne State (MI) is the largest at over 33,000 students. They're DII.

They play DI hockey.

[Seahawks Fan]

In New York City:

NYU 50,000
CCNY 13,000

[HIU 93]

Grand Valley State- 20,000

[Ivytalk]

In New York City:

NYU 50,000
CCNY 13,000

Aren't the attendance figures the other way around? Either way, good picks!xthumbsupx

[Franks Tanks]

In New York City:

NYU 50,000
CCNY 13,000

The City University of New York system which consists of CCNY, Queens College and others has 220,000 students at various locations around the City

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_University_of_New_York

[D1scout]

Hey, don't blame Title-IX. Most (if not all) of these football programs were likely hemorrhaging money. If they were making money, something else would have been cut.

There are a lot of schools out there that have football & probably shouldn't.

And what Title IX Girls programs replaced football that are making money? Most of these colleges that dropped football programs already had Girls BB and most of those Girls BB programs, if not all, weren't making $$ at the time.:)

[SF State Gaters]

That so many of the schools are in California and so many had football legacies is bothersome, particularly when there is a valid model, the Pioneer Model being used by San Diego and being adopted by new football-playing colleges like stetson and cambell (http://collegefootballpoll.com/news_2011_0622_colleges_continue_to_add_football_t eams.html), is very disconcerting. There is a way to do it and it is being done elsewhere.

[DetroitFlyer]

That so many of the schools are in California and so many had football legacies is bothersome, particularly when there is a valid model, the Pioneer Model being used by San Diego and being adopted by new football-playing colleges like stetson and cambell (http://collegefootballpoll.com/news_2011_0622_colleges_continue_to_add_football_t eams.html), is very disconcerting. There is a way to do it and it is being done elsewhere.

They are probably waiting for the PFL to obtain an autobid to the FCS playoffs....

[SF State Gaters]

They are probably waiting for the PFL to obtain an autobid to the FCS playoffs....

the ideal would be seeing a western break-off of the PFL with a enough teams in the far west following the model to make that possible.. but even one more companion to San Diego would make it all that much easier, both for the Toreros and for any future start-up teams

[Model Citizen]

DePaul 25,072

http://newsroom.depaul.edu/NewsReleases/showNews.aspx?NID=2116

[frozennorth]

University of chicago has 16k and can rejoin the big ten whenever it wants, I would assume.

[GSUhooligan]

http://forums.trinituner.com/upload/data/04/holy%20thread%20resurrection.jpg

[appfan2008]

http://forums.trinituner.com/upload/data/04/holy%20thread%20resurrection.jpg

and he ressurects another!

[UCMoc]

College of Charleston has been too busy winning SOCON basketball tourneys to start a football team (and they are just over 10K).

[insideout08]

College of Charleston has been too busy winning SOCON basketball tourneys to start a football team (and they are just over 10K).

One win in 13 years of trying doesn't seem like too much to me.

[apaladin]

One win in 13 years of trying doesn't seem like too much to me.

...and the only time they did win it was 1999, 12 years ago!

[UCMoc]

One win in 13 years of trying doesn't seem like too much to me.

How dare we ask them to redeem the lowly SoCon and then question the manner in which they do it.