Tuskegee - Black National Champs, Delaware St 2nd

[TexasTerror]

Very intriguing...Southern finished 3rd in the voting for SBN national champion, while the two SWAC championship game participants finished 7th and 8th in the world of black college football. How's that make sense?

Congrats Tuskegee!

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS (#1 VOTES) RECORD

*Tuskegee Golden Tigers 292(28) 12-0
Delaware State Hornets 206(2) 10-2
Southern Jaguars 183 8-3
Norfolk State Spartans 165 8-3
So. Car. State Bulldogs 123 7-4
Prairie View Panthers 89 7-3
Jackson State Tigers 62 8-4
Grambling State Tigers 49 8-4
Virginia Union Panthers 42 9-3
Albany State Golden Rams 37 8-3

Others Receiving Votes

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS
Alabama A&M Bulldogs 34
Shaw Bears 26
Winston Salem State Rams 23
Fort Valley State Wildcats 19
North Carolina Central Eagles 14

[ERASU2113]

who knows? xreadx xcoffeex

Congrats Tuskegee! That's a beautiful campus. xthumbsupx

[Mr. Tiger]

Very intriguing...Southern finished 3rd in the voting for SBN national champion, while the two SWAC championship game participants finished 7th and 8th in the world of black college football. How's that make sense?

Congrats Tuskegee!

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS (#1 VOTES) RECORD

*Tuskegee Golden Tigers 292(28) 12-0
Delaware State Hornets 206(2) 10-2
Southern Jaguars 183 8-3
Norfolk State Spartans 165 8-3
So. Car. State Bulldogs 123 7-4
Prairie View Panthers 89 7-3
Jackson State Tigers 62 8-4
Grambling State Tigers 49 8-4
Virginia Union Panthers 42 9-3
Albany State Golden Rams 37 8-3

Others Receiving Votes

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS
Alabama A&M Bulldogs 34
Shaw Bears 26
Winston Salem State Rams 23
Fort Valley State Wildcats 19
North Carolina Central Eagles 14

Doesn't. xcoffeex Moving on.

[Big Dawg]

That poll has been a joke for the past few years.

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

Isn't Tuskegee division II? I have a hard time believing that they are the best HBCU football team. xeyebrowx

[UMass922]

While it's nice that Prairie View finally has a good team, I don't know how they finish ahead of JSU and Grambling. Who exactly votes in this poll?

[bluedog]

Some buffoon. `Normallly it's kind of off tilt, but this year look like rudy foo-foo had to much to drink

[WileECoyote06]

Very intriguing...Southern finished 3rd in the voting for SBN national champion, while the two SWAC championship game participants finished 7th and 8th in the world of black college football. How's that make sense?

Congrats Tuskegee!

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS (#1 VOTES) RECORD

*Tuskegee Golden Tigers 292(28) 12-0
Delaware State Hornets 206(2) 10-2
Southern Jaguars 183 8-3
Norfolk State Spartans 165 8-3
So. Car. State Bulldogs 123 7-4
Prairie View Panthers 89 7-3
Jackson State Tigers 62 8-4
Grambling State Tigers 49 8-4
Virginia Union Panthers 42 9-3
Albany State Golden Rams 37 8-3

Others Receiving Votes

SCHOOL MASCOTS POINTS
Alabama A&M Bulldogs 34
Shaw Bears 26
Winston Salem State Rams 23
Fort Valley State Wildcats 19
North Carolina Central Eagles 14

This poll can be broken down by: 1) When you lose; 2) who you lose to (in terms of HBCUs); and 3) overall record.

I imagine Jackson State was penalized heavily for losing one more game than southern to Delta State (DII). I'm assuming that's where overall record would come into play..A major college comparison would be Georgia being ranked over Tennessee.

[downbythebeach]

Tuskegee IMHO is the best HBCU football team for 2007

granted they didnt have a schedule full of FCS competition
....they even played George Mason U.........yeah thats a club team......
its kinda hard to have a multi division poll

[HIU 93]

Very intriguing...Southern finished 3rd in the voting for SBN national champion, while the two SWAC championship game participants finished 7th and 8th in the world of black college football. How's that make sense?


Because TU (this year) would beat all of the teams ranked below them (right now).

[Ud1Hens]

There is no way a Division II team is better than a playoff participant Delaware St. Yes, the MEAC is bad but still this poll is a joke.

[HIU 93]

There is no way a Division II team is better than a playoff participant Delaware St. Yes, the MEAC is bad but still this poll is a joke.

This year, they were better than DSU. Tuskegee is able to get FCS talent at the D-II level.

[bosshogg]

this poll is a joke.

its cute and all, but this isn't the national championship SCSU aspires for. We want the one App state has

[TexasTerror]

its cute and all, but this isn't the national championship SCSU aspires for. We want the one App state has

SCSU may have that kind of thinking...but I believe they are a few schools who have coaches that have raises/bonuses tied to this "national championship"...

[DetroitFlyer]

Maybe Dayton should play Tuskegee in the ultimate post season game.... Heck, this would probably rival any of the FCS bowls....xlolx

[HIU 93]

SCSU may have that kind of thinking...but I believe they are a few schools who have coaches that have raises/bonuses tied to this "national championship"...

No, there aren't.

[Mr. Tiger]

Tuskegee needed overtime to beat Alabama State. A good win for a D2 school, but it was their only test against an FCS team and they barely beat a team that finished 4-5 in the SWAC.

[TexasTerror]

No, there aren't.

Yes, there are...Grambling is one and I am sure there are others...

http://diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_10357.shtml

[HIU 93]

Tuskegee needed overtime to beat Alabama State. A good win for a D2 school, but it was their only test against an FCS team and they barely beat a team that finished 4-5 in the SWAC.

That's one game, at the end of a long season. Tuskegee was AWESOME this year. In other years, I would be with you wholeheartedly. THIS year, however, TU deserves it.

[HIU 93]

Yes, there are...Grambling is one and I am sure there are others...

http://diverseeducation.com/artman/publish/article_10357.shtml

Okay, so I was wrong. There is one. One out of- how many HBCUs fielding football teams? 60?

That's such a large percentage!xlolx

[TexasTerror]

Okay, so I was wrong. There is one. One out of- how many HBCUs fielding football teams? 60?

That's such a large percentage!xlolx

I said a few...and I am sure Grambling is not the only one. Apparently a few schools put some weight into the HBCU national championship...

Then again, the HBCUs that do, are no different than the FBS schools that put weight into their similar "mythical" championship...

[HIU 93]

I said a few...and I am sure Grambling is not the only one. Apparently a few schools put some weight into the HBCU national championship...

Then again, the HBCUs that do, are no different than the FBS schools that put weight into their similar "mythical" championship...

Where are the few? Weight? If weight means another trophy for the case, then, sure. Weight meaning money for it? Obviously GSU does, but where are the others? You put it out there, now prove it.

PS- ...and if they do put weight into it, why is it any concern of yours, or anybody who has nothing to do with that individual school?

[WileECoyote06]

I said a few...and I am sure Grambling is not the only one. Apparently a few schools put some weight into the HBCU national championship...

Then again, the HBCUs that do, are no different than the FBS schools that put weight into their similar "mythical" championship...

Which is why I don't see why people have such a big problem with it. Any team that receives the honor, certainly isn't about to give it back. I liken it to the mid-major champion in FCS. It's decided by writers, and is prestigious among those circles.

Elite Division II schools have been competitive with FCS schools in the past and will continue to be, ie North Dakota over NIU (2006); and Delta State over JSU (2007).

Another parallel: if you had to rank Michigan and Appalachian State in a poll, which would you rank higher; if their records are similar?

Do you think Appalachian State would finish second or third in the Big Ten?

Think about it.

[SU Jag]

Tuskegee deserved it! Bottom line!

[blackcaesar3k5]

Tuskegee earned it fair and square!

[bluedog]

I have never been a fan of combining the two division. Especially since most DII schools don't play enough quality DI schools to merit it.

[citdog]

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what's Armanti Edwards? A CRACKER?



WHAT A JOKE!

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

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what's Armanti Edwards? A CRACKER?



WHAT A JOKE!No you are a joke. xsmhx

[TexasTerror]

I have never been a fan of combining the two division. Especially since most DII schools don't play enough quality DI schools to merit it.

And a few of those Div I schools on the list didn't play enough quality Div I schools...xnodx

Delaware State had a great year -- love seeing new programs rise to the top!

[Eyes of Old Main]

this poll is a joke.

its cute and all, but this isn't the national championship SCSU aspires for. We want the one App state has

xhurrayx xhurrayx xhurrayx xhurrayx xhurrayx xhurrayx

[bluedog]

All they want is this so they can boaster their audience.



All-Time College
Football Attendance



Annual Football Championship
Subdivision (FCS) Attendance
Year Teams G Attendance Avg.
1978.............................................. ..... 38 201 2,032,766 10,113
1979.............................................. ..... 39 211 2,073,890 9,829
1980.............................................. ..... 46 251 2,617,932 10,430
1981.............................................. ..... 50 270 2,950,156 10,927
1982.............................................. ..... 92 483 5,655,519 *11,709
1983.............................................. ..... 84 450 4,879,709 10,844
1984.............................................. ..... 87 465 5,061,480 10,885
1985.............................................. ..... 87 471 5,143,077 10,919
1986.............................................. ..... 86 456 5,044,992 11,064
1987.............................................. ..... 87 460 5,129,250 11,151
1988.............................................. ..... 88 465 4,801,637 10,326
1989.............................................. ..... 89 471 5,278,520 11,020
1990.............................................. ..... 87 473 5,328,477 11,265
1991.............................................. ..... 89 490 5,386,425 10,993
1992.............................................. ..... 88 485 5,057,955 10,429
1993.............................................. ..... 115 623 5,356,873 8,599
1994.............................................. ..... 117 643 *6,193,989 9,633
1995.............................................. ..... 119 647 5,660,329 8,749
1996.............................................. ..... 116 629 5,255,033 8,355
1997 .................................................. 118 642 5,212,048 8,118
1998 .................................................. 119 631 5,555,862 8,805
1999 .................................................. 122 661 5,949,345 9,001
2000 .................................................. 122 664 5,722,107 8,618
2001 .................................................. 123 649 5,375,851 8,283
2002 .................................................. 123 700 5,525,250 7,893
2003 .................................................. 121 699 6,070,116 8,684
2004 .................................................. 119 658 5,650,727 8,588
2005 .................................................. 116 638 5,436,122 8,521
2006 .................................................. 116 642 5,723,876 8,916
*Record.

[bluedog]

This is why they want us n part. So that they can boaster their audience.


All-Time College FCS
Football Attendance

Year Conference Teams Attendance P/G Avg.
1978 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 5 483,159 17,895
1979 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 6 513,768 16,055
1980 Southwestern Athletic........................ 7 611,234 16,085
1981 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 7 662,221 18,921
1982 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 7 634,505 18,129
1983 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 709,160 16,117
1984 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 702,186 17,555
1985 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 790,296 17,961
1986 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 621,584 16,357
1987 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 697,534 16,608
1988 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 541,127 14,240
1989 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 796,844 18,110
1990 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 7 828,169 20,704
1991 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 856,491 18,223
1992 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 8 873,772 20,804
1993 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 772,714 18,398
1994 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 *958,508 *23,378
1995 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 628,702 16,545
1996 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 600,798 15,405
1997 Southwestern Athletic........................ 8 567,929 15,776
1998 Southwestern Athletic........................ 9 516,042 13,580
1999 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 781,226 15,318
2000 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 506,076 11,502
2001 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 583,599 12,417
2002 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 459,911 10,950
2003 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 579,976 12,083
2004 Southwestern Athletic........................ 10 521,986 11,600
2005 Southern.......................................... 8 512,370 11,138
2006 Southwestern Athletic ....................... 10 824,740 15,561
*Record.
Division

[WileECoyote06]

this poll is a joke.

its cute and all, but this isn't the national championship SCSU aspires for. We want the one App state has

So if SCSU finally breaks through, and wins the MEAC (they certainly have the talent); and wins the SBN title, are you going to give that trophy back as a matter of principle?

Sidebar: I see it as similar to BCS bowl trophies. You're not the national champion; but you have a championship trophy and being recognized for your successful season. I don't think any player would give back their ring.

[bosshogg]

So if SCSU finally breaks through, and wins the MEAC (they certainly have the talent); and wins the SBN title, are you going to give that trophy back as a matter of principle?

Sidebar: I see it as similar to BCS bowl trophies. You're not the national champion; but you have a championship trophy and being recognized for your successful season. I don't think any player would give back their ring.

I didn't even know there was a real trophy for this....if SCSU wins it, we will graciously accept....but that aint what our boys are in winter workouts striving for,.....thats not what they are in the weight room working for.....the SBN award is one of those things that if you win it, its nice....if not, whatever...

if SCSU went 9-2 and lost the SBN championship to say tuskegee, but went deep in the playoffs I wouldn't lose any sleep.

I also hold a conference championship in higher regard than the SBN...at least in the conference, the championship is decided among like universities....not some collaboration of D-2 and 1-AA schools....

no disrespect to tuskegee....they are a great program....but them beating freaking concordia college means nothing to me....but because they beat them and we lose to a #15 ranked DSU by 1 point makes them more deserving of the award?

what is a concordia anyway.


tuskegee would not beat SCSU, DSU, or Norfolk most likely.

They also would not beat Grambling, Southern, or jackson most likely...

but those teams play a much tougher schedule..which does not include CONCORDIA...thats why I look at any award that does not take that into consideration with very little regard....for that award to basically say that "we think that skegee is the best BCF program" is like saying hawaii is the best 1-A program because they went undefeated....which is crazy

like I said earlier...if that award is important to you, then thats cool....I am not judging anyone for liking that award....I just know that SCSU, its football prgram, and its fans, strive for higher awards than the SBN.....

[TexasTerror]

This is why they want us n part. So that they can boaster their audience.

Why would that have anything to do it with? SWAC teams would probably go on the road in the playoffs and outside of a team like Jackson State, do they really travel well? Seems like even "Gramblingham" was more like "ComegyLand" by a large margin...

I do not think the SWAC, outside of bringing some fun matchups with some schools that have some prestige in their back pocket, would bring a lot to the table. No increased exposure, no increased attendance, etc.

[BloomHusky'01]

Tuskegee does not participate in the D2 playoffs, and I wish they would. Instead they play in the Pioneer Bowl. The game is very important for them, but I'd really like to see them in the playoffs. They might have a shot a true national championship.

[WileECoyote06]

Tuskegee does not participate in the D2 playoffs, and I wish they would. Instead they play in the Pioneer Bowl. The game is very important for them, but I'd really like to see them in the playoffs. They might have a shot a true national championship.

I agree wholeheartedly. But as the fan of a team moving up from DII, I know that the Gulf South teams are hard as hell to get past. They are some of the best coached teams in the country regardless of level.

[WileECoyote06]

I didn't even know there was a real trophy for this....if SCSU wins it, we will graciously accept....but that aint what our boys are in winter workouts striving for,.....thats not what they are in the weight room working for.....the SBN award is one of those things that if you win it, its nice....if not, whatever...

if SCSU went 9-2 and lost the SBN championship to say tuskegee, but went deep in the playoffs I wouldn't lose any sleep.

I also hold a conference championship in higher regard than the SBN...at least in the conference, the championship is decided among like universities....not some collaboration of D-2 and 1-AA schools....

no disrespect to tuskegee....they are a great program....but them beating freaking concordia college means nothing to me....but because they beat them and we lose to a #15 ranked DSU by 1 point makes them more deserving of the award?

what is a concordia anyway.


tuskegee would not beat SCSU, DSU, or Norfolk most likely.

They also would not beat Grambling, Southern, or jackson most likely...

but those teams play a much tougher schedule..which does not include CONCORDIA...thats why I look at any award that does not take that into consideration with very little regard....for that award to basically say that "we think that skegee is the best BCF program" is like saying hawaii is the best 1-A program because they went undefeated....which is crazy

like I said earlier...if that award is important to you, then thats cool....I am not judging anyone for liking that award....I just know that SCSU, its football prgram, and its fans, strive for higher awards than the SBN.....

lol Concordia is a USCAA historically black liberal arts college in Selma, Alabama. As far as the scheduling goes, how many Division I HBCU's are going to take a chance playing Tuskegee?

[bluedog]

Why would that have anything to do it with? SWAC teams would probably go on the road in the playoffs and outside of a team like Jackson State, do they really travel well? Seems like even "Gramblingham" was more like "ComegyLand" by a large margin...

I do not think the SWAC, outside of bringing some fun matchups with some schools that have some prestige in their back pocket, would bring a lot to the table. No increased exposure, no increased attendance, etc.

Bruh I thought you really knew about SWAC football. Especially SU

[mikebigg]

lol Concordia is a USCAA historically black liberal arts college in Selma, Alabama. As far as the scheduling goes, how many Division I HBCU's are going to take a chance playing Tuskegee?

I wouldn't mind seeing Grambling opening with Tuskegee and various D2 programs each season. I'd like an annual home game season opener. Then add 4 more home and home (2 conference and two ooc).

[Franks Tanks]

Tuskegee IMHO is the best HBCU football team for 2007

granted they didnt have a schedule full of FCS competition
....they even played George Mason U.........yeah thats a club team......
its kinda hard to have a multi division poll

There is no way that should be counted by the NCAA as a win, a club team..please

[SUjagTILLiDIE]

Bruh I thought you really knew about SWAC football. Especially SU

TT just runs his mouth on Swac issues, that he reads on TSPN. Everybody in FCS knows of SU's traveling fan base.

[WileECoyote06]

There is no way that should be counted by the NCAA as a win, a club team..please

Can't argue with you on that.

[SU Jag]

Why would that have anything to do it with? SWAC teams would probably go on the road in the playoffs and outside of a team like Jackson State, do they really travel well? Seems like even "Gramblingham" was more like "ComegyLand" by a large margin...

I do not think the SWAC, outside of bringing some fun matchups with some schools that have some prestige in their back pocket, would bring a lot to the table. No increased exposure, no increased attendance, etc.


For someone who knows a lot, you sure dont know isht! Go look up The Big Blue Nation(JSU) The Jaguar Nation(Southern), The Gramblinites(GSU), The Hornet Swarm(ASU), and the others. The SWAC has some of the top traveling fan bases in america Mr. Horse's rear-endxrolleyesx People across America know that.