2023 National Championship: #1 South Dakota State vs #2 Montana

[Houndawg]

Gronowski leaving?

Thought he had 2 years of eligibility left

They said he planned to finish his Mechanical Engineering degree.

Not your kind of guy.:D

[bobcathpdevil56]

SIU played them tougher than anybody this year - 17-10

You sure on that Houndawg?

[Houndawg]

You sure on that Houndawg?

Who else held them under 20 points?

[bobcathpdevil56]

Who else held them under 20 points?

Touché. 20-16 is closer though.

[robsnotes4u]

SIU played them tougher than anybody this year - 17-10

No, that would be Montana State


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[Tank Edwards]

I still remember like it was yesterday when we started in FCS and Georgia Southern came into Coughlin and threw us a colossal beating. Not sure that score but seems like 70-7 or something like that. I thought becoming competitive seemed like an impossibility.

[ncspiderfan]

SIU played them tougher than anybody this year - 17-10

Montana State lost to them by 4 I think, early in season.

Doesn't matter I guess, as both teams are the only two to stay within a touchdown of them. Well done took one heck of an effort to stay that close. Villanova next closest losing by 13 in second round.

Congratulations to the Rabbits, on heck of a season and well-deserved Title.

[Utgrizfan]

The backup QB for SDSU has ton of potential and I really like him. He is really fun to watch. If you think that the offense is going to take a step back because Gronowski is leaving you are going to be very sad.

Was not a dig against SDSU, I just know they are a very senior heavy/covid player heavy team this year and will be losing alot. Also the rumor that Gronowski could be going to Northwestern with the OC.

[caribbeanhen]

They said he planned to finish his Mechanical Engineering degree.

Not your kind of guy.:D

Well good for him

[Catbooster]

Was not a dig against SDSU, I just know they are a very senior heavy/covid player heavy team this year and will be losing alot. Also the rumor that Gronowski could be going to Northwestern with the OC.
My understanding is that they have a huge senior class, but about half of them have Covid years left so that makes it more of a typical senior class loss of players. Of course, nowdays you can't predict what will happen with the portal, etc.

[Born a Rabbit]

I took Montana. I think they have just enough to pull the upset. Plus, as a program they feel "due"....

what kind of thinking is that? hopeful? stupid?

the fact you have not won in forever does not make your team any better when you are playing a significantly more talented team

[Born a Rabbit]

Congrats to SDSU! Yall played a hell of a game, Not going to lie i'm happy you're losing a large number of players this year

well there are plenty of factors and the future is not easy to predict, but unless there are significant unexpected transfers, i would guess you might not be as happy as you are hoping. the cupboards are far far from bare

[penguinpower]

Oh STFU, I've been watching the game and prepping the poll vote so I did not see it instantly...I've been fair to you and everyone else on here so stop whining.

You too bigred, I've given you and POD way more leverage than anyone else around here. Don't need to hear anymore about how unfair everything is for you boys or I can just be unfair going forward and actually earn it.

BTW, there is one mod that corrects or asks anything on these fronts and that is me.

Correct, I get ZERO leverage

[Houndawg]

Touché. 20-16 is closer though.

and a touche back at ya - we both had 308 yards offense, SIU had two red zone TOs but otherwise looked good. SDSU was the better team and some penalties let us hang around.

[SDFS]

Was not a dig against SDSU, I just know they are a very senior heavy/covid player heavy team this year and will be losing alot. Also the rumor that Gronowski could be going to Northwestern with the OC.

Oh, I didn't take it as a dig. I was just saying that SDSU may drop down because of the graduations or portal. But, they have plenty of talent waiting to step forward.

[SDFS]

My understanding is that they have a huge senior class, but about half of them have Covid years left so that makes it more of a typical senior class loss of players. Of course, nowdays you can't predict what will happen with the portal, etc.

This is true, if they keep the COVID year players they are going to be very good.

[Chalupa Batman]

How many players are they losing from this team? I know Gronowski could come back but outside of that i've heard they're going to lose a lot of players

I saw they have something like 34 seniors on the roster, but only 18 or 19 of them walked on senior day so 15-16 are coming back. That didn't include Gronowski, I would guess that if Lujan gets the Northwestern gig Gronowski follows him there. I think they lose 3 of 5 O-linemen and 5 or 6 of their D-linemen that went 9-10 deep. The Jankes are gone but they have some talented youngsters waiting in the wings. They do lose some LB's and a CB but they have so much depth there that there is still plenty of experience coming back. They'll be some growing pains getting new guys experience, but I'm sure they'll be plenty good again next year.

[Houndawg]

Well good for himxlmaox

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

what kind of thinking is that? hopeful? stupid?

the fact you have not won in forever does not make your team any better when you are playing a significantly more talented team

Huh? Montana had a chance as indicated prior to the second half fumble. However, their margin was razor thin. The "due" thing has come into play over the years in terms of teams climbing to the top when they have knocked on the door prior. Also in the same context, SDSU is better than Montana but not to the point where Montana could NOT beat them in a 5 or 7 game series. So then the probability of when does the ONE occur happen? But I digress....

Nonetheless, congrats to SDSU!

[Born a Rabbit]

Huh? Montana had a chance as indicated prior to the second half fumble. However, their margin was razor thin. The "due" thing has come into play over the years in terms of teams climbing to the top when they have knocked on the door prior. Also in the same context, SDSU is better than Montana but not to the point where Montana could NOT beat them in a 5 or 7 game series. So then the probability of when does the ONE occur happen? But I digress....

Nonetheless, congrats to SDSU!

i apologize my response was too strong

just dont really believe in being due.

[POD Knows]

Oh STFU, I've been watching the game and prepping the poll vote so I did not see it instantly...I've been fair to you and everyone else on here so stop whining.

You too bigred, I've given you and POD way more leverage than anyone else around here. Don't need to hear anymore about how unfair everything is for you boys or I can just be unfair going forward and actually earn it.

BTW, there is one mod that corrects or asks anything on these fronts and that is me.
Dude. I had a smiley face after my comment. It was mostly in jest

[caribbeanhen]

I’ve only seen Montana a few times this year but I thought they played about as well as you can play against that team, nothing to be ashamed of. We don’t really know how good South Dakota State is meaning against good FBS teams. Would love to see them play a top 20 FBS

[ysubigred]

Don't do this political **** again on the FCS Board. I haven't warned you prior but you should have known this from others anyway. That does not go on here on the FCS board. Damn right..

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[ysubigred]

Oh STFU, I've been watching the game and prepping the poll vote so I did not see it instantly...I've been fair to you and everyone else on here so stop whining.

You too bigred, I've given you and POD way more leverage than anyone else around here. Don't need to hear anymore about how unfair everything is for you boys or I can just be unfair going forward and actually earn it.

BTW, there is one mod that corrects or asks anything on these fronts and that is me.Geesh.. you act like ur team just took an ass whooping... go check the P.O. box...



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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Dude. I had a smiley face after my comment. It was mostly in jest

Apologies, I took it as being serious. My bad.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Geesh.. you act like ur team just took an ass whooping... go check the P.O. box...



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Hell, I did not think it was that bad and never expected any of it anyway this season so it was more about taking POD to seriously. I was not even lit up over it I was more along the lines of "You must be out of your mind" considering the volume you two jesters have gotten away with.:D

[POD Knows]

Apologies, I took it as being serious. My bad.Nah, I have posted far worst stuff on the non-poli boards than calling a smoking hot Guv a fascist. Words lost their meaning a long time ago anyway.

[ysubigred]

Hell, I did not think it was that bad and never expected any of it anyway this season so it was more about taking POD to seriously. I was not even lit up over it I was more along the lines of "You must be out of your mind" considering the volume you two jesters have gotten away with.:DLOL..all in fun, my brother.. you run a 1st class operation here.. you know me and the PODster are forever weisenheimers.. [emoji56]

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[caribbeanhen]

Nah, I have posted far worst stuff on the non-poli boards than calling a smoking hot Guv a fascist. Words lost their meaning a long time ago anyway.

When I saw her I definitely wasn’t thinking politics … that’s the truth and if any red blooded male was it’s time to get on the meds

[POD Knows]

When I saw her I definitely wasn’t thinking politics … that’s the truth and if any red blooded male was it’s time to get on the meds
She is PILFALUSCIOUS

[uofmman1122]

Congrats to the Jackrabbits!

Head and shoulders the best team this year, and it showed. That defense is just nasty.

[Pards Rule]

Can ABC/ESPN even be bothered to talk about the FCS title game during halftime? Nope. Washington vs Michigan right away.

Dewey

Dewey, this disgusringly happens every year! Its such an insult to the FCS as a whole and the two finalists. DO they REALLY need to gin up viewers - like if Im gonna watch FBS championship (WHICH IM NOT - DONT CARE) Im going watch it. Enough!

[Pards Rule]

She's a fascist too xdrunkyx

Gov. Kristi Noem (R, SD) is hoping that Trump picks her as VP...SD has only 3 electoral votes so its not a decision based on that, its more a gender balance and a western choice.

[Pards Rule]

They brought her up because she is good looking. She is. I'll go look and see if they brought anything political but if you are wasting my time I'll just kick you off FCS for the first month of next season. I said that is it, so shut it on the debate about it.

Leave any political ideology off of this board...is that clear? If it isn't I can fix it for you.

Nothing political just that she was hot. No one even mentioned Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte also appearing along with Gov. Noem. BTW THANK YOU RABBITS>>WENT HEAVY ON CAESARS AND FANDUEL ON SDSU & POINTS.

[mmiller_34]

Just got home from the game.

Go Jacks!

[Laker]

Bock's tackle at the goal line on 4th down was the play of the game IMO. I thought he would get into the end zone with his momentum but Bock pulled him back. You can argue all day whether he go in or not- but he is quite a player. That Jack defense just dominated the playoffs. Now with NIL and the transfer portal it will be more difficult to keep teams like this together.

[ElCid]

and lost to Idaho who lost to Albany

It was also a home game for SIU. Second consecutive road game for SDSU. Always a factor against better teams.

[JacksFan40]

Bock's tackle at the goal line on 4th down was the play of the game IMO. I thought he would get into the end zone with his momentum but Bock pulled him back. You can argue all day whether he go in or not- but he is quite a player. That Jack defense just dominated the playoffs. Now with NIL and the transfer portal it will be more difficult to keep teams like this together.
Seems like all signs are pointing to Gronowski following Lujan to Northwestern but outside of that I don’t think the portal will hurt us yet. We’ve been a semifinal team all but one year since 2017, I’m not overly worried about a huge drop off next year.

[Bisonator]

Seems like all signs are pointing to Gronowski following Lujan to Northwestern but outside of that I don’t think the portal will hurt us yet. We’ve been a semifinal team all but one year since 2017, I’m not overly worried about a huge drop off next year.
There won't be a huge drop off but you're not going to be as dominate as you have the last 2 years. I'd say back to being very good with a weird loss or 2. Trending back to the norm of the last decade which will still mean beating us in the marker game as usual.....xcoolx

[MSUBobcat]

SIU played them tougher than anybody this year - 17-10

Uhhhhhh, MSU lost by 4 on a controversial call on the last play of the game IN BROOKINGS. I'd say that tops the Salukis' 7 point loss that was a 2 score deficit until SIU kicked a FG with 32 seconds left. SIU never led in the game either, whereas the Bobcats led 10-0 at halftime.

[Ridge1982]

Griz are the 90’s Braves of FCS. Nothing to be ashamed of. You just had the misfortune of running into all time great teams like Atlanta did.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Congrats to SDSU ... this 2023 team rivals 2013 NDSU.

But also congrats to Montana for competing so well, if not on scoreboard. Not to mention, how much improvement they showed from their first 5 games when they were possibly the worst 4-1 team in country .. barely beating several weak teams. the turnaround since they switched QBs to the UCA transfer dual threat is remarkable. They probably would not have won in Fargo, but they did win a close one in Missoula. They battled SDSU, but slowly caved to their greatness.

Will love to see the ensuing debates on 2013 Bison vs 2023 Jackrabbits ....I still lean towards 2013 Bison, but this is so close IMO. Not to mention, the 2023 SDSU is loaded with a lot of 6th year guys .. so they took full advantage of the pandemic year and were able to keep their guys.

[POD Knows]

Congrats to SDSU ... this 2023 team rivals 2013 NDSU.

But also congrats to Montana for competing so well, if not on scoreboard. Not to mention, how much improvement they showed from their first 5 games when they were possibly the worst 4-1 team in country .. barely beating several weak teams. the turnaround since they switched QBs to the UCA transfer dual threat is remarkable. They probably would not have won in Fargo, but they did win a close one in Missoula. They battled SDSU, but slowly caved to their greatness.

Will love to see the ensuing debates on 2013 Bison vs 2023 Jackrabbits ....I still lean towards 2013 Bison, but this is so close IMO. Not to mention, the 2023 SDSU is loaded with a lot of 6th year guys .. so they took full advantage of the pandemic year and were able to keep their guys.
2013 Bison slightly better than SDSU. The 13 Bison beat a quality FBS team but I think the Jacks 2023 D is better than what the Bison had. It is a close call.

[uni88]

2013 Bison slightly better than SDSU. The 13 Bison beat a quality FBS team but I think the Jacks 2023 D is better than what the Bison had. It is a close call.

Winner gets a shot at the 1996 thundering turd.

[Redbird 4th & short]

2013 Bison slightly better than SDSU. The 13 Bison beat a quality FBS team but I think the Jacks 2023 D is better than what the Bison had. It is a close call.

Literally every phase of game they dominated in 2013, including special teams. Most stats they were top team easily .. except passing yards, though they were easily # in passing QBR.





SCORING OFFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
79
10
77
0
0
0
581
38.7


2.
Youngstown State
12
56
6
49
1
0
0
405
33.8


3.
South Dakota State
14
53
12
49
0
0
1
405
28.9


4.
Southern Illinois
12
41
18
40
0
0
1
342
28.5


5.
Missouri State
12
44
8
38
1
0
0
328
27.3


6.
Northern Iowa
12
36
21
34
1
0
0
315
26.2


7.
Illinois State
11
35
9
35
0
0
0
272
24.7


8.
Western Illinois
12
36
3
30
1
0
0
257
21.4


9.
Indiana State
12
33
6
28
2
0
0
248
20.7


10.
South Dakota
12
25
12
21
1
0
0
209
17.4





SCORING DEFENSE
G
TD
FG
XPT
2XP
DXP
Saf
Points
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
20
10
19
0
0
0
169
11.3


2.
Northern Iowa
12
28
11
25
0
0
0
226
18.8


3.
Missouri State
12
36
9
29
2
0
0
276
23.0


4.
South Dakota State
14
43
11
35
2
0
0
330
23.6


5.
Southern Illinois
12
39
11
33
1
0
0
302
25.2


6.
Western Illinois
12
40
8
37
1
0
0
303
25.2


7.
South Dakota
12
43
5
36
0
0
0
309
25.8


8.
Youngstown State
12
41
10
36
1
0
0
314
26.2


9.
Illinois State
11
44
7
40
0
0
0
325
29.5


10.
Indiana State
12
57
11
56
0
0
0
431
35.9





TOTAL OFFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
3860
3002
1009
6862
6.8
70
457.5


2.
Youngstown State
12
2350
2457
745
4807
6.5
54
400.6


3.
Southern Illinois
12
1837
2782
865
4619
5.3
39
384.9


4.
South Dakota State
14
2354
3031
952
5385
5.7
48
384.6


5.
Northern Iowa
12
1957
2276
800
4233
5.3
32
352.8


6.
Missouri State
12
2149
1968
829
4117
5.0
37
343.1


7.
South Dakota
12
1730
2343
852
4073
4.8
23
339.4


8.
Western Illinois
12
1854
2152
869
4006
4.6
30
333.8


9.
Illinois State
11
1506
2066
720
3572
5.0
31
324.7


10.
Indiana State
12
1458
2022
793
3480
4.4
27
290.0





TOTAL DEFENSE
G
Rush
Pass
Plays
Yards
Avg/P
TD
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
1369
2469
910
3838
4.2
17
255.9


2.
Western Illinois
12
1876
1788
781
3664
4.7
36
305.3


3.
Northern Iowa
12
1579
2435
865
4014
4.6
24
334.5


4.
South Dakota
12
2098
2053
798
4151
5.2
37
345.9


5.
Missouri State
12
1580
2599
854
4179
4.9
31
348.2


6.
Southern Illinois
12
1474
2875
814
4349
5.3
34
362.4


7.
Indiana State
12
2259
2128
847
4387
5.2
44
365.6


8.
Illinois State
11
1600
2470
752
4070
5.4
44
370.0


9.
South Dakota State
14
2277
3073
940
5350
5.7
41
382.1


10.
Youngstown State
12
1960
2966
863
4926
5.7
41
410.5





RUSHING OFFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
649
3860
5.9
35
257.3


2.
Youngstown State
12
449
2350
5.2
31
195.8


3.
Missouri State
12
515
2149
4.2
24
179.1


4.
South Dakota State
14
539
2354
4.4
28
168.1


5.
Northern Iowa
12
469
1957
4.2
16
163.1


6.
Western Illinois
12
479
1854
3.9
13
154.5


7.
Southern Illinois
12
456
1837
4.0
14
153.1


8.
South Dakota
12
451
1730
3.8
12
144.2


9.
Illinois State
11
449
1506
3.4
16
136.9


10.
Indiana State
12
428
1458
3.4
9
121.5





RUSHING DEFENSE
G
Att
Yards
Avg.
TD
Yards/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
470
1369
2.9
7
91.3


2.
Southern Illinois
12
420
1474
3.5
13
122.8


3.
Northern Iowa
12
474
1579
3.3
9
131.6


4.
Missouri State
12
446
1580
3.5
12
131.7


5.
Illinois State
11
404
1600
4.0
18
145.5


6.
Western Illinois
12
484
1876
3.9
23
156.3


7.
South Dakota State
14
528
2277
4.3
23
162.6


8.
Youngstown State
12
452
1960
4.3
15
163.3


9.
South Dakota
12
498
2098
4.2
20
174.8


10.
Indiana State
12
568
2259
4.0
27
188.2





PASS OFFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Southern Illinois
12
233
409
10
57.0
2782
6.8
25
231.8


2.
South Dakota State
14
243
413
8
58.8
3031
7.3
20
216.5


3.
Youngstown State
12
178
296
7
60.1
2457
8.3
23
204.8


4.
North Dakota State
15
240
360
7
66.7
3002
8.3
35
200.1


5.
South Dakota
12
205
401
11
51.1
2343
5.8
11
195.2


6.
Northern Iowa
12
198
331
9
59.8
2276
6.9
16
189.7


7.
Illinois State
11
156
271
13
57.6
2066
7.6
15
187.8


8.
Western Illinois
12
196
390
16
50.3
2152
5.5
17
179.3


9.
Indiana State
12
183
365
17
50.1
2022
5.5
18
168.5


10.
Missouri State
12
164
314
13
52.2
1968
6.3
13
164.0





PASS DEFENSE
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
Avg.
TD
Avg/G


1.
Western Illinois
12
160
297
16
53.9
1788
6.0
13
149.0


2.
North Dakota State
15
223
440
17
50.7
2469
5.6
10
164.6


3.
South Dakota
12
167
300
15
55.7
2053
6.8
17
171.1


4.
Indiana State
12
172
279
11
61.6
2128
7.6
17
177.3


5.
Northern Iowa
12
217
391
11
55.5
2435
6.2
15
202.9


6.
Missouri State
12
244
408
17
59.8
2599
6.4
19
216.6


7.
South Dakota State
14
237
412
22
57.5
3073
7.5
18
219.5


8.
Illinois State
11
186
348
6
53.4
2470
7.1
26
224.5


9.
Southern Illinois
12
234
394
10
59.4
2875
7.3
21
239.6


10.
Youngstown State
12
245
411
10
59.6
2966
7.2
26
247.2





PASS EFFICIENCY
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
North Dakota State
15
240
360
7
66.7
3002
35
164.9


2.
Youngstown State
12
178
296
7
60.1
2457
23
150.8


3.
South Dakota State
14
243
413
8
58.8
3031
20
132.6


4.
Illinois State
11
156
271
13
57.6
2066
15
130.3


5.
Southern Illinois
12
233
409
10
57.0
2782
25
129.4


6.
Northern Iowa
12
198
331
9
59.8
2276
16
128.1


7.
Missouri State
12
164
314
13
52.2
1968
13
110.3


8.
South Dakota
12
205
401
11
51.1
2343
11
103.8


9.
Indiana State
12
183
365
17
50.1
2022
18
103.6


10.
Western Illinois
12
196
390
16
50.3
2152
17
102.8





PASS DEFENSE EFFIC.
G
Comp
Att
Int
Pct.
Yards
TD
Effic.


1.
North Dakota State
15
223
440
17
50.7
2469
10
97.6


2.
Western Illinois
12
160
297
16
53.9
1788
13
108.1


3.
Northern Iowa
12
217
391
11
55.5
2435
15
114.8


4.
Missouri State
12
244
408
17
59.8
2599
19
120.3


5.
South Dakota
12
167
300
15
55.7
2053
17
121.9


6.
South Dakota State
14
237
412
22
57.5
3073
18
123.9


7.
Southern Illinois
12
234
394
10
59.4
2875
21
133.2


8.
Illinois State
11
186
348
6
53.4
2470
26
134.3


9.
Youngstown State
12
245
411
10
59.6
2966
26
136.2


10.
Indiana State
12
172
279
11
61.6
2128
17
137.9





KICKOFF RETURNS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
North Dakota State
15
32
808
1
25.2


2.
Youngstown State
12
44
1076
0
24.5


3.
Southern Illinois
12
36
782
1
21.7


4.
Missouri State
12
37
802
0
21.7


5.
South Dakota
12
29
628
0
21.7


6.
Northern Iowa
12
31
620
0
20.0


7.
Illinois State
11
36
719
1
20.0


8.
Indiana State
12
55
1095
1
19.9


9.
Western Illinois
12
36
704
0
19.6


10.
South Dakota State
14
38
739
0
19.4





PUNT RETURN AVG
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
North Dakota State
15
30
399
3
13.3


2.
Indiana State
12
11
134
0
12.2


3.
Western Illinois
12
28
317
0
11.3


4.
South Dakota State
14
33
337
1
10.2


5.
Illinois State
11
18
159
1
8.8


6.
Missouri State
12
24
189
2
7.9


7.
Youngstown State
12
17
90
0
5.3


8.
Northern Iowa
12
21
107
0
5.1


9.
Southern Illinois
12
16
64
0
4.0


10.
South Dakota
12
19
74
0
3.9





INTERCEPTIONS
G
No.
Yards
TD
Avg.


1.
South Dakota State
14
22
407
4
18.5


2.
Missouri State
12
17
366
5
21.5


3.
North Dakota State
15
17
301
4
17.7


4.
Western Illinois
12
16
207
4
12.9


5.
South Dakota
12
15
215
2
14.3


6.
Indiana State
12
11
259
4
23.5


7.
Northern Iowa
12
11
301
3
27.4


8.
Southern Illinois
12
10
176
0
17.6


9.
Youngstown State
12
10
197
2
19.7


10.
Illinois State
11
6
138
1
23.0





PUNTING
G
No.
Yards
Avg/P
Ret.
Avg.
TB
Net/P


1.
North Dakota State
15
52
2270
43.7
21
0.4
10
38.4


2.
Youngstown State
12
50
2208
44.2
258
5.2
3
37.5


3.
Southern Illinois
12
55
2201
40.0
87
1.6
3
37.1


4.
Missouri State
12
69
2644
38.3
107
1.6
5
35.0


5.
Illinois State
11
72
2792
38.8
186
2.6
4
34.8


6.
Northern Iowa
12
64
2552
39.9
237
3.7
4
34.6


7.
South Dakota State
14
67
2699
40.3
110
1.6
12
34.2


8.
South Dakota
12
75
3003
40.0
385
5.1
5
33.2


9.
Western Illinois
12
76
2618
34.4
124
1.6
1
32.5


10.
Indiana State
12
76
2762
36.3
309
4.1
2
31.6





KICKOFF COVERAGE
G
No.
Yards
Avg.
Return
TB
Net Avg.


1.
Youngstown State
12
73
4683
64.2
716
37
41.7


2.
Northern Iowa
12
65
4005
61.6
1015
15
40.2


3.
North Dakota State
15
102
6032
59.1
1514
18
39.9


4.
Southern Illinois
12
69
4078
59.1
998
15
39.2


5.
Western Illinois
12
50
2994
59.9
938
8
37.1


6.
South Dakota
12
45
2672
59.4
740
11
36.8


7.
South Dakota State
14
77
4320
56.1
906
24
36.5


8.
Indiana State
12
51
2986
58.5
889
11
35.7


9.
Missouri State
12
64
3594
56.2
848
19
35.5


10.
Illinois State
11
53
3007
56.7
819
13
35.2





FIELD GOALS
G
Made-Att
Pct.


1.
Illinois State
11
9-11
.818


2.
Northern Iowa
12
21-27
.778


3.
North Dakota State
15
10-13
.769


4.
Southern Illinois
12
18-24
.750



Youngstown State
12
6-8
.750


6.
South Dakota State
14
12-21
.571



South Dakota
12
12-21
.571


8.
Missouri State
12
8-15
.533


9.
Indiana State
12
6-13
.462


10.
Western Illinois
12
3-8
.375





PAT KICKING
G
Made-Att
Pct.


1.
Illinois State
11
35-35
1.000



Northern Iowa
12
34-34
1.000


3.
South Dakota State
14
49-50
.980


4.
Southern Illinois
12
40-41
.976


5.
North Dakota State
15
77-79
.975


6.
Indiana State
12
28-29
.966


7.
Youngstown State
12
49-51
.961


8.
South Dakota
12
21-23
.913


9.
Missouri State
12
38-43
.884


10.
Western Illinois
12
30-34
.882





SACKS BY
G
No.
Yards


1.
North Dakota State
15
44
254


2.
South Dakota
12
39
203


3.
South Dakota State
14
33
196


4.
Northern Iowa
12
31
195


5.
Illinois State
11
25
164


6.
Southern Illinois
12
24
192



Western Illinois
12
24
138


8.
Indiana State
12
23
156


9.
Youngstown State
12
22
117


10.
Missouri State
12
19
112





SACKS AGAINST
G
No.
Yards


1.
Southern Illinois
12
14
62


2.
Youngstown State
12
16
88



Northern Iowa
12
16
105



Missouri State
12
16
94


5.
North Dakota State
15
18
87


6.
South Dakota
12
21
119



Western Illinois
12
21
124


8.
Illinois State
11
25
147


9.
Indiana State
12
45
262


10.
South Dakota State
14
47
294





FIRST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
189
129
15
333
22.2


2.
South Dakota State
14
114
137
34
285
20.4


3.
Southern Illinois
12
104
132
10
246
20.5


4.
Youngstown State
12
110
108
11
229
19.1


5.
South Dakota
12
100
107
15
222
18.5


6.
Western Illinois
12
115
91
11
217
18.1


7.
Northern Iowa
12
97
102
12
211
17.6


8.
Missouri State
12
104
89
17
210
17.5


9.
Indiana State
12
82
90
14
186
15.5


10.
Illinois State
11
82
80
20
182
16.5





OPPONENT 1ST DOWNS
G
Rush
Pass
Pen
Total
Avg/G


1.
Western Illinois
12
96
79
19
194
16.2


2.
Illinois State
11
92
102
12
206
18.7


3.
Missouri State
12
95
98
17
210
17.5


4.
North Dakota State
15
76
119
18
213
14.2


5.
South Dakota
12
109
93
16
218
18.2


6.
Southern Illinois
12
93
114
19
226
18.8


7.
Northern Iowa
12
98
113
17
228
19.0


8.
Indiana State
12
124
98
16
238
19.8


9.
Youngstown State
12
103
143
18
264
22.0


10.
South Dakota State
14
117
136
15
268
19.1





3RD-DOWN CONVERSIONS
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
North Dakota State
15
108
195
55.4


2.
Southern Illinois
12
85
183
46.4


3.
Youngstown State
12
67
147
45.6


4.
South Dakota State
14
83
198
41.9


5.
Missouri State
12
71
183
38.8


6.
Northern Iowa
12
67
179
37.4


7.
Illinois State
11
59
167
35.3


8.
Western Illinois
12
68
193
35.2


9.
South Dakota
12
62
184
33.7


10.
Indiana State
12
51
177
28.8





OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
North Dakota State
15
54
205
26.3


2.
Western Illinois
12
61
171
35.7


3.
Northern Iowa
12
71
196
36.2


4.
Missouri State
12
69
189
36.5


5.
Southern Illinois
12
65
171
38.0


6.
South Dakota
12
61
160
38.1


7.
Illinois State
11
66
163
40.5


8.
Indiana State
12
76
184
41.3


9.
South Dakota State
14
81
192
42.2


10.
Youngstown State
12
85
176
48.3





4TH-DOWN CONVERSIONS
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
North Dakota State
15
12
18
66.7



Youngstown State
12
10
15
66.7



Missouri State
12
10
15
66.7


4.
Northern Iowa
12
6
12
50.0



Illinois State
11
8
16
50.0


6.
Western Illinois
12
16
34
47.1


7.
Southern Illinois
12
6
13
46.2



Indiana State
12
12
26
46.2


9.
South Dakota State
14
8
20
40.0


10.
South Dakota
12
8
21
38.1





OPP 4TH-DN CONVERT
G
Conv.
Att.
Pct.


1.
South Dakota
12
3
13
23.1


2.
Youngstown State
12
7
20
35.0


3.
South Dakota State
14
6
17
35.3


4.
Illinois State
11
5
13
38.5


5.
Northern Iowa
12
12
30
40.0


6.
Missouri State
12
11
25
44.0


7.
North Dakota State
15
12
27
44.4


8.
Southern Illinois
12
10
15
66.7


9.
Western Illinois
12
13
19
68.4


10.
Indiana State
12
15
20
75.0





PENALTIES
G
No.
Yards
Avg/G


1.
Youngstown State
12
48
448
37.3


2.
North Dakota State
15
73
610
40.7


3.
South Dakota State
14
61
573
40.9


4.
Indiana State
12
54
523
43.6


5.
Southern Illinois
12
62
530
44.2


6.
Missouri State
12
61
547
45.6


7.
Northern Iowa
12
59
549
45.8


8.
Illinois State
11
64
548
49.8


9.
South Dakota
12
81
688
57.3


10.
Western Illinois
12
88
751
62.6





OPPONENT PENALTIES
G
No.
Yards
Avg/G


1.
South Dakota State
14
85
799
57.1


2.
Illinois State
11
55
588
53.5


3.
Indiana State
12
72
632
52.7


4.
Missouri State
12
78
631
52.6


5.
South Dakota
12
70
616
51.3


6.
Northern Iowa
12
75
558
46.5


7.
Western Illinois
12
58
515
42.9


8.
North Dakota State
15
76
620
41.3


9.
Southern Illinois
12
53
468
39.0


10.
Youngstown State
12
59
467
38.9





TIME OF POSSESSION
G
Poss. Time
Avg/G


1.
North Dakota State
15
505:04
33:40


2.
Illinois State
11
361:32
32:52


3.
South Dakota State
14
449:18
32:05


4.
Southern Illinois
12
383:11
31:55


5.
South Dakota
12
362:39
30:13


6.
Missouri State
12
353:07
29:25


7.
Western Illinois
12
345:09
28:45


8.
Youngstown State
12
342:32
28:32


9.
Northern Iowa
12
336:15
28:01


10.
Indiana State
12
321:06
26:45






Gained
Lost



TURNOVER MARGIN
G
Fumb
Int
Total
Fumb
Int
Total
Margin
Per/G


1.
South Dakota State
14
11
22
33
10
8
18
+15
1.07


2.
Western Illinois
12
12
16
28
4
16
20
+8
0.67


3.
Northern Iowa
12
11
11
22
8
9
17
+5
0.42



South Dakota
12
10
15
25
9
11
20
+5
0.42


5.
Youngstown State
12
12
10
22
11
7
18
+4
0.33


6.
North Dakota State
15
5
17
22
11
7
18
+4
0.27


7.
Southern Illinois
12
8
10
18
7
10
17
+1
0.08


8.
Missouri State
12
8
17
25
14
13
27
-2
-0.17


9.
Indiana State
12
9
11
20
6
17
23
-3
-0.25


10.
Illinois State
11
12
6
18
9
13
22
-4
-0.36






Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE OFFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Youngstown State
12
43-47
91.5
38
24-14
5-5
0
1
2
1


2.
North Dakota State
15
58-65
89.2
50
28-22
8-9
1
0
2
3


3.
Southern Illinois
12
48-56
85.7
34
14-20
14-17
0
4
1
0


4.
Illinois State
11
29-34
85.3
20
12-8
9-11
0
1
2
0


5.
South Dakota State
14
43-54
79.6
33
19-14
10-16
0
0
4
1


6.
Missouri State
12
35-44
79.5
28
21-7
7-10
1
2
2
1


7.
Northern Iowa
12
37-48
77.1
20
10-10
17-19
1
2
4
2


8.
Indiana State
12
22-30
73.3
18
8-10
4-9
0
1
2
0


9.
Western Illinois
12
27-37
73.0
24
11-13
3-7
1
0
5
0


10.
South Dakota
12
27-38
71.1
19
10-9
8-13
0
4
1
1






Red Zone
Touchdowns
Field Goals
Lost possession


RED ZONE DEFENSE
G
Scores-Chances
Pct.
TDs
Rush-Pass
Made-Att
Fumb
Int.
Downs
Other


1.
Missouri State
12
24-37
64.9
18
10-8
6-9
0
4
3
3


2.
North Dakota State
15
18-27
66.7
12
6-6
6-7
0
2
5
1


3.
South Dakota State
14
39-53
73.6
31
22-9
8-12
3
5
0
2


4.
Northern Iowa
12
31-40
77.5
20
9-11
11-16
0
1
3
0


5.
South Dakota
12
25-32
78.1
22
15-7
3-5
1
2
1
1


6.
Southern Illinois
12
33-42
78.6
24
9-15
9-15
0
1
2
0


7.
Western Illinois
12
31-39
79.5
27
17-10
4-6
2
1
1
2


8.
Indiana State
12
43-53
81.1
34
23-11
9-11
3
2
0
3


9.
Youngstown State
12
38-46
82.6
31
12-19
7-9
0
2
4
0


10.
Illinois State
11
35-38
92.1
28
14-14
7-7
2
1
0
0

[Houndawg]

It was also a home game for SIU. Second consecutive road game for SDSU. Always a factor against better teams.

SIUs homecoming too - they played their asses off.

[Houndawg]

Uhhhhhh, MSU lost by 4 on a controversial call on the last play of the game IN BROOKINGS. I'd say that tops the Salukis' 7 point loss that was a 2 score deficit until SIU kicked a FG with 32 seconds left. SIU never led in the game either, whereas the Bobcats led 10-0 at halftime.

I'll allow it. You win. We did have 308 yds offense though, exactly what they had, but we had two red zone turnovers.

[Houndawg]

and lost to Idaho who lost to Albany

Idaho got lucky. So did Albany.xcoffeex

[Chalupa Batman]

Bock's tackle at the goal line on 4th down was the play of the game IMO. I thought he would get into the end zone with his momentum but Bock pulled him back. You can argue all day whether he go in or not- but he is quite a player. That Jack defense just dominated the playoffs. Now with NIL and the transfer portal it will be more difficult to keep teams like this together.

To me the play that set the tone was 2 plays before that when CB DyShawn Gales took on Eli Gillman (who is a hard nosed runner and tough to take down 1-on-1) and stood him up, turned him, and threw him to the ground. There was another play in the 2nd quarter I think where Stalbird took on McDowell 1-on-1 that ended with a similar result.

[caribbeanhen]

Idaho got lucky. So did Albany.xcoffeex


For the record, You were better than Idaho but let it get away

[caribbeanhen]

I’m thinking the Montana QB, who I like, is just not going to get it done

I made that comment at half time, he is obviously talented player but looked totally defeated… you could see it in his eyes but that’s why the great teams are great, they demoralize you.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Idaho got lucky. So did Albany.xcoffeex

clock management/play calling on last drive, and settling for long FG with your backup kicker ... blew my mind.

Did your coach take any grief for that handling given placekicking was weak point on your team ?

[atthewbon]

Griz are the 90’s Braves of FCS. Nothing to be ashamed of. You just had the misfortune of running into all time great teams like Atlanta did.

Montana feels like the Texas of the FCS. One of the biggest brands, historically successful, always "back", and this year were back.

[atthewbon]

It would have been really interesting to see how this SDSU team would have fared vs teams from the FBS. I think they'd beat almost all G5 teams and a lot of P5 teams in a one off game.

[dewey]

It would have been really interesting to see how this SDSU team would have fared vs teams from the FBS. I think they'd beat almost all G5 teams and a lot of P5 teams in a one off game.

Agreed. I think SDSU is a top 20 team this year for sure.

An undefeated National Championship is pretty special though.

I would imagine that SDSU will have a time tough scheduling new GBS games.

Dewey

[Silenoz]

Montana feels like the Texas of the FCS. One of the biggest brands, historically successful, always "back", and this year were back.
I've always thought of us as Oklahoma. Always around, sometimes near the top. 20 years of failing to seal the deal.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Agreed. I think SDSU is a top 20 team this year for sure.

An undefeated National Championship is pretty special though.

I would imagine that SDSU will have a time tough scheduling new GBS games.

Dewey

Unusually strong year though with all the 6th year SRs who made all MVFC. They are losing 9 of 11 starters (most 6th year guys) from their offense ... unless RB Davis gets a pandemic year .. he was true FR that year and burned his RS in spring. So they return just their JR QB Gronowski and a JR OL. Haven't tabulated their defensive losses yet, but a lot more SRs there too.

[caribbeanhen]

Griz are the 90’s Braves of FCS. Nothing to be ashamed of. You just had the misfortune of running into all time great teams like Atlanta did.

The Braves won a WS in 1995

Tommy Glavine shutout and David Justice solo HR for a 1-0 win over the Indians

[ST_Lawson]

Agreed. I think SDSU is a top 20 team this year for sure.

An undefeated National Championship is pretty special though.

I would imagine that SDSU will have a time tough scheduling new GBS games.

Dewey

Obviously, take it with a grain of salt, but according to Massey's system, SDSU would be favored against most of the teams outside the top 20 of the FBS: https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/ratings

[atthewbon]

Unusually strong year though with all the 6th year SRs who made all MVFC. They are losing 9 of 11 starters (most 6th year guys) from their offense ... unless RB Davis gets a pandemic year .. he was true FR that year and burned his RS in spring. So they return just their JR QB Gronowski and a JR OL. Haven't tabulated their defensive losses yet, but a lot more SRs there too.

During the broadcast they said Davis will be declaring for the draft though I think he could take a pandemic year. The tandem of Amar Johnson and Angel Johnson is still really good, combined they had over 1,100 rushing yards this year.

[POD Knows]

Unusually strong year though with all the 6th year SRs who made all MVFC. They are losing 9 of 11 starters (most 6th year guys) from their offense ... unless RB Davis gets a pandemic year .. he was true FR that year and burned his RS in spring. So they return just their JR QB Gronowski and a JR OL. Haven't tabulated their defensive losses yet, but a lot more SRs there too.
Gronowski is gone, bet the ranch, the SDSU OC accepted an offer from Northwestern. Gronowski would be an idiot to stay and pass on the NIL and Big Ten opportunity and be able to run an offense that he is already familiar with.

[JacksFan40]

Unusually strong year though with all the 6th year SRs who made all MVFC. They are losing 9 of 11 starters (most 6th year guys) from their offense ... unless RB Davis gets a pandemic year .. he was true FR that year and burned his RS in spring. So they return just their JR QB Gronowski and a JR OL. Haven't tabulated their defensive losses yet, but a lot more SRs there too.
Two returning O-Lineman, Evan Beerntsen at RG, and Gus Miller at C. Miller was an All-American and one of the best Centers in all of CFB. Also bring in Marcus Hicks from Oklahoma who will be a 6th year Senior and who should compete for a starting spot immediately.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Two returning O-Lineman, Evan Beerntsen at RG, and Gus Miller at C. Miller was an All-American and one of the best Centers in all of CFB. Also bring in Marcus Hicks from Oklahoma who will be a 6th year Senior and who should compete for a starting spot immediately.
Thanks for clearing that up ... what about RB Davis ? He played the pandemic year 2020-21 spring .. does his class that played 2020-21 as true FR, get a pandemic year ?

[FUBeAR]

Thanks for clearing that up ... what about RB Davis ? He played the pandemic year 2020-21 spring .. does his class that played 2020-21 as true FR, get a pandemic year ?
Yes

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/d1/2021D1SAR_Covid19SOCExtensionEligibility.pdf

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[JacksFan40]

Thanks for clearing that up ... what about RB Davis ? He played the pandemic year 2020-21 spring .. does his class that played 2020-21 as true FR, get a pandemic year ?
Davis is going to the NFL, he could stay for another year due to the COVID year but will pro instead. I don’t blame him since I imagine his stock is as high as it’ll get and no point in wearing yourself out more in college at a position that doesn’t last long in the NFL.

[Gil Dobie]

Idaho got lucky. So did Albany.xcoffeex

NDSU was a solid win against the Dawgs.

[ysubigred]

NDSU was a solid win against the Dawgs.YSU destroyed SIU, and the flightless birds were a step above dog doo do in the end...

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[ysubigred]

Obviously, take it with a grain of salt, but according to Massey's system, SDSU would be favored against most of the teams outside the top 20 of the FBS: https://masseyratings.com/cf2023/ratingsI'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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[caribbeanhen]

I'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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I’d like to see some pics of the hotty S Dak St gov…. Where are they bigred…

[ST_Lawson]

I'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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A blowout. It'd look like a blowout.

Just about anyone outside the top 25, I think SDSU wins.
Anyone in the 15-25 range, it's a close game, could go either way.
9-15, SDSU loses, but it's respectable.
8 or higher...probably not close. Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon...I don't think they'd stand much of a chance.

SDSU is absolutely on-par with teams like Oregon State or Oklahoma State and should be getting Top 25 votes, but Michigan just had a string of beating then #2 Ohio State, shutting out then #16 Iowa, beating #4 Alabama, then fairly solidly taking down #2 Washington (it was close at times, but the first and fourth quarters were beat-down bookends to that game). Take tonight's championship game and add a couple more TDs to Michigan's score...that's probably what they'd do to SDSU.

[Born a Rabbit]

Gronowski is gone, bet the ranch, the SDSU OC accepted an offer from Northwestern. Gronowski would be an idiot to stay and pass on the NIL and Big Ten opportunity and be able to run an offense that he is already familiar with.

well maybe he will. i am not believing it until i see it, but why would we bet the ranch that he will want to go play against big 10 competition with a significantly worse surrounding cast than he has had for the last two years or maybe ever. i would even say there is a chance that next year SDSU squad will still be better than NWestern

[Christiank22]

I'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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It would look like 63-3 Michigan. Give me a break.

[clenz]

I'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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Do the Michigan players take it seriously and try start to finish? If so they make what Georgia did to FSU (or what SDSU did to Arkansas Pine Bluff or Oregon/Liberty) look like ****ing child's play.

If they aren't engaged and aren't going all out start to finish? It would look similar to, I don't know, what they did to UNLV, Bowling Green, or Rutgers this year.

SDSU is phenomenal, don't get me wrong. The get absolutely ****ed up by Michigan. SDSU has like 4 or 5 guys (we will call it 10 to be super generous) on their roster that will stick on an NFL roster for more than one training camp/season.

Michigan has roughly 30-40 of them on the roster. And they aren't mid-to late round picks or UFAs that splash in camp after a flier was taken on them. The majority are 1st, 2nd, or early 3rd round picks.

That SDSU defense is elite - they aren't doing **** to Corum or Edwards with that OL between them. That SDSU OL? Also elite. Gronowski leaving the field after the game would be walking in more pain than Penix and it wouldn't be close - remember Washington won the award for best OL in the entire country on every level. They only sacked him once but they abused him like Mike Vick and dogs circa the mid 00s

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Montana feels like the Texas of the FCS. One of the biggest brands, historically successful, always "back", and this year were back.

Those back-2-back title game losses to Richmond and Villanova in 2008 and 2009 respectively were brutal if you're a Griz fan. They caught a "break" in 2008 when JMU's stud QB got hurt in the semifinals against the Griz. They then faced what some felt (despite ending App State's run) a "lesser" Richmond team. The Spiders defense, ultimately their DE's, completely overwhelmed Montana in the second half iirc. Villanova followed a similar formula in 2009 but had a little more pop on offense; Szczur was a monster. To be fair, Montana faced the CAA at the peak of its power but still. There should have found a way to win one of those title games. They did get fortunate with Louis Ivory's injury in 2001 when they beat the Paladins for #2.

[ysubigred]

A blowout. It'd look like a blowout.

Just about anyone outside the top 25, I think SDSU wins.
Anyone in the 15-25 range, it's a close game, could go either way.
9-15, SDSU loses, but it's respectable.
8 or higher...probably not close. Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon...I don't think they'd stand much of a chance.

SDSU is absolutely on-par with teams like Oregon State or Oklahoma State and should be getting Top 25 votes, but Michigan just had a string of beating then #2 Ohio State, shutting out then #16 Iowa, beating #4 Alabama, then fairly solidly taking down #2 Washington (it was close at times, but the first and fourth quarters were beat-down bookends to that game). Take tonight's championship game and add a couple more TDs to Michigan's score...that's probably what they'd do to SDSU.I agree. I was hoping that someone had that program and matched them up in the computer.

I would give the D II champ a better shot against the Bunnies than the Bunnies against meatchicken..

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[ysubigred]

It would look like 63-3 Michigan. Give me a break.IDK if it would be that bad.. I'd like to think the FCS champ is better than that.

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[ysubigred]

Do the Michigan players take it seriously and try start to finish? If so they make what Georgia did to FSU (or what SDSU did to Arkansas Pine Bluff or Oregon/Liberty) look like ****ing child's play.

If they aren't engaged and aren't going all out start to finish? It would look similar to, I don't know, what they did to UNLV, Bowling Green, or Rutgers this year.

SDSU is phenomenal, don't get me wrong. The get absolutely ****ed up by Michigan. SDSU has like 4 or 5 guys (we will call it 10 to be super generous) on their roster that will stick on an NFL roster for more than one training camp/season.

Michigan has roughly 30-40 of them on the roster. And they aren't mid-to late round picks or UFAs that splash in camp after a flier was taken on them. The majority are 1st, 2nd, or early 3rd round picks.

That SDSU defense is elite - they aren't doing **** to Corum or Edwards with that OL between them. That SDSU OL? Also elite. Gronowski leaving the field after the game would be walking in more pain than Penix and it wouldn't be close - remember Washington won the award for best OL in the entire country on every level. They only sacked him once but they abused him like Mike Vick and dogs circa the mid 00sYou never know.. that's why they play the game. Although I agree.. the depth and physical play would take its toll pretty quickly.

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[ysubigred]

I’d like to see some pics of the hotty S Dak St gov…. Where are they bigred…[emoji56] I'm trying to be a better citizen this year.

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[Christiank22]

IDK if it would be that bad.. I'd like to think the FCS champ is better than that.

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SDSU has nothing that can stop the Michigan run game. And sdsu has nothing that can consistently move the ball on Michigan. The only reason it wouldn’t be that bad is because they’d call the dogs off by the end of the 2nd quarter.

Michigan just beat the number two team in the country by 21 points and held one of the best offenses in college football to 13 points.

You really think sdus has a shot in hell against that?

[caribbeanhen]

A blowout. It'd look like a blowout.

Just about anyone outside the top 25, I think SDSU wins.
Anyone in the 15-25 range, it's a close game, could go either way.
9-15, SDSU loses, but it's respectable.
8 or higher...probably not close. Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon...I don't think they'd stand much of a chance.

SDSU is absolutely on-par with teams like Oregon State or Oklahoma State and should be getting Top 25 votes, but Michigan just had a string of beating then #2 Ohio State, shutting out then #16 Iowa, beating #4 Alabama, then fairly solidly taking down #2 Washington (it was close at times, but the first and fourth quarters were beat-down bookends to that game). Take tonight's championship game and add a couple more TDs to Michigan's score...that's probably what they'd do to SDSU.

solid

They do play Oklahoma State next year

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[ysubigred]

SDSU has nothing that can stop the Michigan run game. And sdsu has nothing that can consistently move the ball on Michigan. The only reason it wouldn’t be that bad is because they’d call the dogs off by the end of the 2nd quarter.

Michigan just beat the number two team in the country by 21 points and held one of the best offenses in college football to 13 points.

You really think sdus has a shot in hell against that?On Any Given Saturday, my friend. Appy state didn't stand a chance in hell, did they.

Washington wouldn't be one of the best offenses if playing in the SEC or B1G. Watch next year.. Washington I believe starts B1G schedule.

Truly, I am a realist and do believe meatchicken would win.

I find it fascinating that you all call for a blowout to better support my belief that FCS is nothing more than glorified DII football. Would like to see the DII champ and SDSU go at it.

Last note: GA is the best team in the country. Next year's 12 teams playoff will be better. There should be only 12 in FCS, no auto bid for weak ass conference championships. With xfer portal and NIL, it's obvious the haves and have not in the college programs.

Carry on xsalutex

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[Houndawg]

NDSU was a solid win against the Dawgs.

It sure was - I think our defense was on the field for nearly 40 minutes and it seemed like 30 of them were in the second half.

[Houndawg]

YSU destroyed SIU, and the flightless birds were a step above dog doo do in the end...

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That was just one of those complete no-shows on our part where as NDSU just took it to us. This version of us would split 10 with YSU and lose 7or 8/10 to NDSU

[Houndawg]

I'd like to see what a Michigan vs. SDSU game at a neutral site would look like..

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This year, Michigan by the score of their choice

[ysubigred]

That was just one of those complete no-shows on our part where as NDSU just took it to us. This version of us would split 10 with YSU and lose 7or 8/10 to NDSUI actually agree with you. I couldn't figure out how we dismantled you all but looked like ass against lesser opponents.

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[caribbeanhen]

[emoji56] I'm trying to be a better citizen this year.

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ok I’ll get back to you next week

[F'N Hawks]

One thing I learned over the course of the playoffs is just how far UND is off from those teams. Don't look like the top teams at all

[POD Knows]

One thing I learned over the course of the playoffs is just how far UND is off from those teams. Don't look like the top teams at all
UND is competitive with the top teams when they play at home it seems. It is very odd.

[JacksFan40]

Do the Michigan players take it seriously and try start to finish? If so they make what Georgia did to FSU (or what SDSU did to Arkansas Pine Bluff or Oregon/Liberty) look like ****ing child's play.

If they aren't engaged and aren't going all out start to finish? It would look similar to, I don't know, what they did to UNLV, Bowling Green, or Rutgers this year.

SDSU is phenomenal, don't get me wrong. The get absolutely ****ed up by Michigan. SDSU has like 4 or 5 guys (we will call it 10 to be super generous) on their roster that will stick on an NFL roster for more than one training camp/season.

Michigan has roughly 30-40 of them on the roster. And they aren't mid-to late round picks or UFAs that splash in camp after a flier was taken on them. The majority are 1st, 2nd, or early 3rd round picks.

That SDSU defense is elite - they aren't doing **** to Corum or Edwards with that OL between them. That SDSU OL? Also elite. Gronowski leaving the field after the game would be walking in more pain than Penix and it wouldn't be close - remember Washington won the award for best OL in the entire country on every level. They only sacked him once but they abused him like Mike Vick and dogs circa the mid 00s
It wouldn’t be as bad as Georgia/FSU, but it wouldn’t even be as close as Michigan/Iowa. Something like 38-7 probably. Our defense could hold up for a bit but Michigan would do to us what we do to other teams and have us gassed by the second half.

[clenz]

On Any Given Saturday, my friend. Appy state didn't stand a chance in hell, did they.

Washington wouldn't be one of the best offenses if playing in the SEC or B1G. Watch next year.. Washington I believe starts B1G schedule.

Truly, I am a realist and do believe meatchicken would win.

I find it fascinating that you all call for a blowout to better support my belief that FCS is nothing more than glorified DII football. Would like to see the DII champ and SDSU go at it.

Last note: GA is the best team in the country. Next year's 12 teams playoff will be better. There should be only 12 in FCS, no auto bid for weak ass conference championships. With xfer portal and NIL, it's obvious the haves and have not in the college programs.

Carry on xsalutex

Sent from my SM-G990U using Tapatalk1. That Michigan team was 9-4 and a fringe top 25 team. Most years you'd expect the top of the FCS to have a shot in a game against a fringe top 25 team. This Michigan team isn't a ****ing fringe top 25 team. They trailed for 41 minutes for the entirety of the season. A season where they proved they are one of the most physically dominating teams in the trenches ever (noticed I'm not saying "the most" but they are right there with those other contenders) in a really long time.

2. That game also proves my point on if Michigan is engaged in that game. It was well documented as that season went on that over half the team was out until 3AM drunk and/or high off their asses the Friday night leading to that game. They gave zero ****s about that game before it started. They weren't talented enough to do that. This Michigan team is an entirely different beast. First that they are talented enough to do that. Second none of them are doing that.

3. It has nothing to do with the idea that FCS is glorified D2 football. It has to do with the fact that this year's Michigan team (or Georgia last year or a couple of those Alabama teams) are just entirely different animals. Sure, any given Saturday any wild thing can happen. Not all any given Saturday's have the same probability and are equal.

4. It isn't a condemnation on SDSU, at all, to believe it wouldn't be close. SDSU is elite. No question. To go back to point 3 and go against myself to a slight extent - the different between the elite of the elite D2 and the Elite of the Elite FCS is closer than the elite of the elite FCS and the elite of the elite FBS. The elite of the FCS are certainly top 20-35 caliber FBS programs. The "problem" is the difference between even 15-20 and 1-8 in the FBS level is as big/bigger than the difference between 15-20 and 1-8 in the FCS. Go look at the poll threads every single week. It always is "the top 4-8 are super easy to plug in, nearly better than everyone else, and then after 13 it's literally just throwing darts/pulling names from a hat to fill in. The same is true at the FBS level. Look what Texas did to most everyone in the B12. The rest of the B12 were teams in that 20 to fringe top 25 teams that we are talking about that SDSU has a damn good shot against. Teams that were 7-9 win teams. The consolidation of power and talent (players and coaching) at the top of the FBS/1A/Large College is as strong as it's ever been and that includes pre-scholarship limit times. Obviously talent exists elsewhere, but in small groups on teams or a handful of players through an entire program. The top of the FBS level right now is just half the roster are multiyear NFL guys at any given point.

4.5. The depth and talent is so insanely different. I mentioned it when looking at the draft picks and "actual NFL talent" of each team, it just isn't close. Again, SDSU has elite talent at the FCS level. It's not close to the level you'd see at the level Michigan is. Michigan played the best run defense in college football and ran for 250 yards and didn't throw a pass for nearly a half just to prove a point. They sleepwalked through a top 5 defense in all of college football in Iowa and it wasn't a sweat. The played Ohio State a top defense and averaged 6 yards per play. They were 6 yards per play against Bama. They averaged 8 ypc and per play in general in the national title game going for 450 yards. Defensively they held Bama to 4 yards per play, Washington (an elite talented offense) to 4.2 yards per play. Ohio State - possibly the most talented offense - to below season average. We can pretend SDSU fights hard defensively for a quarter, but after that it's game over simply because Michigan can throw out 4 running backs that are going to get drafted. They'll rotate an entire second unit of OL for spells that are going to have NFL careers. They'll rotate 8 on DL that are all NFL guys. The Janke twins are great. Kraft is clearly an elite TE talent regardless of level. If Marvin Harrison Jr doesn't phase that secondary neither Janke twin is going to really register on the DBs radar. That would be SDSU's shot, which I pointed out earlier. Michigan would have to be completely asleep and treat it like the 09 team treated App State. This Michigan team isn't that team.

I'm going to nerd myself out here but there is a game I play called Old School RuneScape that is about leveling skills of your character to complete quests and various tasks. Max level for skills is level 99. You'd think level 49/50 would be half way. It's not. Halfway to full level 99 is actually level 92 because of the amount of XP required to move to the next level and how it grows exponentially. The same is true in this case. SDSU might be a level 92 - or even 95 - which is absurdly elite and almost no one gets there without having dumped thousands on thousands of hours to get there over literally years of playing. But Michigan this year, Georgia, etc. are that max out level 99. Can someone with combat skills of 95 defeat a level 99 should they fight? Sure, if every single thing goes their way and the 99 doesn't tactically know what they are doing. However, you don't get to level 99 without knowing what the **** you're doing.

[uofmman1122]

Oh my god, the RuneScape reference Clenz I love it lmao

It’s the perfect analogy, as well.

[ST_Lawson]

solid

They do play Oklahoma State next year

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I know...that's going to be fun to watch, but I really wish we could have seen this year's SDSU vs Oklahoma State. Next year's SDSU is still going to be really good, but it'll be hard to continue to be as dominant as they have the last two years with the players they have graduating and moving on to other opportunities. I'm sure people said the same thing about NDSU early in their decade+ long run, but the transfer portal has really thrown a wrench in things, making it much harder for a really good FCS team to retain a lot of their talent year-to-year. When a Big 10 team comes calling with NIL money and "big game" opportunities (plus the ability to get a degree from some of the top schools in the country), that's a really hard thing to resist for many kids.

[Houndawg]

I actually agree with you. I couldn't figure out how we dismantled you all but looked like ass against lesser opponents.

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If you look back I think I even called it, long trip, lousy weather, four game win streak - the signs were there

[Silenoz]

Those back-2-back title game losses to Richmond and Villanova in 2008 and 2009 respectively were brutal if you're a Griz fan. They caught a "break" in 2008 when JMU's stud QB got hurt in the semifinals against the Griz. They then faced what some felt (despite ending App State's run) a "lesser" Richmond team. The Spiders defense, ultimately their DE's, completely overwhelmed Montana in the second half iirc. Villanova followed a similar formula in 2009 but had a little more pop on offense; Szczur was a monster. To be fair, Montana faced the CAA at the peak of its power but still. There should have found a way to win one of those title games. They did get fortunate with Louis Ivory's injury in 2001 when they beat the Paladins for #2.
Should have beat Nova. Refusing to stack the box on wildcat, not giving Mariani a single target(?) in the second half, not putting Trumaine Johnson on Szczur for the 3rd and forever... Just an unreal game.

[ysubigred]

If you look back I think I even called it, long trip, lousy weather, four game win streak - the signs were thereJust switch geographical location with YSU in the MVFC. Every game is a long trip besides home games of course..

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[JacksFan40]

I know...that's going to be fun to watch, but I really wish we could have seen this year's SDSU vs Oklahoma State. Next year's SDSU is still going to be really good, but it'll be hard to continue to be as dominant as they have the last two years with the players they have graduating and moving on to other opportunities. I'm sure people said the same thing about NDSU early in their decade+ long run, but the transfer portal has really thrown a wrench in things, making it much harder for a really good FCS team to retain a lot of their talent year-to-year. When a Big 10 team comes calling with NIL money and "big game" opportunities (plus the ability to get a degree from some of the top schools in the country), that's a really hard thing to resist for many kids.
Oklahoma State this year was such an odd team to figure out. Looked dead in the water to start the year getting beat by 26 by South Alabama, followed by a loss to Iowa State, but followed that up with a 5 game win streak including beating the Sooners in likely the last Bedlam game for quite some time. After that they got beat by 41 by UCF, but won their final two by beating Houston and BYU in double OT. Got smoked by the Horns in the Big 12 championship and scraped by a depleted TAMU in the Texas Bowl.

No idea what to make of Oklahoma State in all honesty.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Nothing political just that she was hot. No one even mentioned Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte also appearing along with Gov. Noem. BTW THANK YOU RABBITS>>WENT HEAVY ON CAESARS AND FANDUEL ON SDSU & POINTS.

Never had a problem with you Pards, but I will if you keep this up. Zero poli on FCS so cut the **** and don't do it again.

[caribbeanhen]

Should have beat Nova. Refusing to stack the box on wildcat, not giving Mariani a single target(?) in the second half, not putting Trumaine Johnson on Szczur for the 3rd and forever... Just an unreal game.

Nooe, the future Chicago Cub was gonna find a way

[Redbird 4th & short]

I know...that's going to be fun to watch, but I really wish we could have seen this year's SDSU vs Oklahoma State. Next year's SDSU is still going to be really good, but it'll be hard to continue to be as dominant as they have the last two years with the players they have graduating and moving on to other opportunities. I'm sure people said the same thing about NDSU early in their decade+ long run, but the transfer portal has really thrown a wrench in things, making it much harder for a really good FCS team to retain a lot of their talent year-to-year. When a Big 10 team comes calling with NIL money and "big game" opportunities (plus the ability to get a degree from some of the top schools in the country), that's a really hard thing to resist for many kids.

Hey Lawson .. hope you had nice holidays !

I wonder if their dropoff is more significant given couple things ... for one, they don't just have a lot of SRs starting, most of them are 6th year SRs. Second, they've also had a few coaches turnover ... Stigelmeier after 2022, OC Eck after 2021, and now OC Lujan after 2023. It's one thing to have a lot of 4th and 5th year guys .. but many were 6th year guys. That's a lot of talent, experience, and physical/mental toughness .. wy more than the norm, given they had 34 SRs and had returned 90% + from their 2022 Natty team. So I wonder if they don't drop back to their "normal very good" level, like 8-3 or 7-4 and still win a couple playoff games in 2024. Lot to replace this offseason .. that was such a talented/experienced group these past 2 years.

Not predicting, just wondering how they can replace all that in one offseason. And some think Gronowski could leave too.

[Sitting Bull]

Didn’t see it mentioned on here but the attendance was 19,512, the largest crowd for the championship since 2016. I believe that’s a sellout in the new arrangement in Frisco.

The atmosphere looked electric as well, people were standing the entire game. Quite a contrast to all these G5 bowls, many of their fans claiming FCS is dead. Sour grapes.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Didn’t see it mentioned on here but the attendance was 19,512, the largest crowd for the championship since 2016. I believe that’s a sellout in the new arrangement in Frisco.

The atmosphere looked electric as well, people were standing the entire game. Quite a contrast to all these G5 bowls, many of their fans claiming FCS is dead. Sour grapes.

I didn't look up the numbers but agree it looked real good on TV and was obviously filled up. Nicely done all around and looked pretty equal as far as fans in the stands go.

[Professor Chaos]

Didn’t see it mentioned on here but the attendance was 19,512, the largest crowd for the championship since 2016. I believe that’s a sellout in the new arrangement in Frisco.

The atmosphere looked electric as well, people were standing the entire game. Quite a contrast to all these G5 bowls, many of their fans claiming FCS is dead. Sour grapes.
Yes, I'm fairly sure that's a sellout plus a good standing room crowd. Ever since they renovated the south endzone in 2016 I'm pretty sure seated capacity is around 18k since it's never not been sold out in any year NDSU has played in it and the last couple have only had 18k and change. It used to seat around 21k I believe - NDSU/JSU had nearly 22k there in January 2016 - but the renovation to the south endzone added premium seating but reduced overall seating capacity by a good amount.

By my count the 2023 playoffs finished with a total attendance of 226,971 which is an average of 9,868 per game. That's the highest it's been since 2015 and 2nd highest since the field expanded to 24 in 2013. Bring on the 16 seed fields!

[caribbeanhen]

Playoff tidbit

Highest Point Differential in Playoffs (Since 1996)
All teams played four games; *-FCS champ
136 – 1996 Marshall* (193 scored, 57 allowed)
131 – 2013 North Dakota State* (173, 42)
131 - 2023 South Dakota State* (146, 15)
126 – 2003 Delaware* (149, 23)
118 – 1996 Montana (191, 73)

[atthewbon]

It wouldn’t be as bad as Georgia/FSU, but it wouldn’t even be as close as Michigan/Iowa. Something like 38-7 probably. Our defense could hold up for a bit but Michigan would do to us what we do to other teams and have us gassed by the second half.

Yea 38-7 or so seems right. Michigan was not unbeatable this year (Maryland had the ball down 5 in the final minutes against them, unfortunately couldn't pull it out). I just don't see the SDSU offense being able to get anything going on offense against the Michigan D and the Michigan offense would wear the SDSU defense down. Michigan just isn't a team designed to put up crazy high scoring numbers. I think it would be pretty similar to the Michigan vs Rutgers game. Stranger things have happened but it would be a huge upset.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Playoff tidbit

Highest Point Differential in Playoffs (Since 1996)
All teams played four games; *-FCS champ
136 – 1996 Marshall* (193 scored, 57 allowed)
131 – 2013 North Dakota State* (173, 42)
131 - 2023 South Dakota State* (146, 15)
126 – 2003 Delaware* (149, 23)
118 – 1996 Montana (191, 73)


Of course the margin is a tie for 2013 Bison vs 2023 Jackrabbits. I think SDSU wins that tie, based on SOS going into the playoff:

Interestingly, Bison beat following ... only one seeded team

- unseeded Furman by 31 in Round 1 .. autobid due to 3-way tiebreaker. Finished 8-6, ranked Massey #31 - probably lucky to be in playoffs.
- unseeded CCU by 34 in Qtrs .. CCU bat 8 seed Mont by 7 on road. Finished 12-3, ranked Massey #18
- unseeded UNH by 38 in Semis .. UNH beat the 4 and 5 seeds to get to Final 4. Finished 10-5, Massey #9 - nice run, ended badly
- 7th Seed Towson by 28 in Finals .. Towson beat #2 EIU in a snowstorm that doomed EIU, then #3 EWU - nice run, also ended badly

SDSU beat following

- unseeded Mercer by 40 in Round 1 .. at large bid. Finished 9-4, ranked Massey #28 - solid year, but bubble team
- 8th seed Villanova by 11 in Qtrs .. Villanova looked very legit. Finished 10-3, ranked #6.
- 5th seed Albany by 59 in Semis .. nuff said, though Albany had beaten a tough #4 seed Idaho on road. So they were very solid - game totally snowballed on them. Finished 11-4. ranked #9
- 2 seed Montana by 20 in finals ... Montana played them as tough as anyone

Given SDSU 2023 SOS ... their playoff performance gets the nod IMO. But I still think NDSU was just a bit more dominant across entire season and played the 9th ranked SOS, compared to SDSU playing 21st ranked SOS.

But it's so close on paper.

[Christiank22]

Of course the margin is a tie for 2013 Bison vs 2023 Jackrabbits. I think SDSU wins that tie, based on SOS going into the playoff:

Interestingly, Bison beat following ... only one seeded team

- unseeded Furman by 31 in Round 1 .. autobid due to 3-way tiebreaker. Finished 8-6, ranked Massey #31 - probably lucky to be in playoffs.
- unseeded CCU by 34 in Qtrs .. CCU bat 8 seed Mont by 7 on road. Finished 12-3, ranked Massey #18
- unseeded UNH by 38 in Semis .. UNH beat the 4 and 5 seeds to get to Final 4. Finished 10-5, Massey #9 - nice run, ended badly
- 7th Seed Towson by 28 in Finals .. Towson beat #2 EIU in a snowstorm that doomed EIU, then #3 EWU - nice run, also ended badly

SDSU beat following

- unseeded Mercer by 40 in Round 1 .. at large bid. Finished 9-4, ranked Massey #28 - solid year, but bubble team
- 8th seed Villanova by 11 in Qtrs .. Villanova looked very legit. Finished 10-3, ranked #6.
- 5th seed Albany by 59 in Semis .. nuff said, though Albany had beaten a tough #4 seed Idaho on road. So they were very solid - game totally snowballed on them. Finished 11-4. ranked #9
- 2 seed Montana by 20 in finals ... Montana played them as tough as anyone

Given SDSU 2023 SOS ... their playoff performance gets the nod IMO. But I still think NDSU was just a bit more dominant across entire season and played the 9th ranked SOS, compared to SDSU playing 21st ranked SOS.

But it's so close on paper.

This comment is so confusing to me. You say SDSU gets the nod and then end with NDSU was better throughout the season…?

That said 2013 NDSU by 10

[Silenoz]

Playoff tidbit

Highest Point Differential in Playoffs (Since 1996)
All teams played four games; *-FCS champ
136 – 1996 Marshall* (193 scored, 57 allowed)
131 – 2013 North Dakota State* (173, 42)
131 - 2023 South Dakota State* (146, 15)
126 – 2003 Delaware* (149, 23)
118 – 1996 Montana (191, 73)
Just to add further insult to Montana injury xscanxxviolinx

[Redbird 4th & short]

This comment is so confusing to me. You say SDSU gets the nod and then end with NDSU was better throughout the season…?

That said 2013 NDSU by 10
SDSU got the nod for better/tougher playoff performance, given tougher SOS.

NDSU had such a dominant overall season .. so I'm still thinking NDSU 2013 was better, even though SDSU had a more impressive playoff walking into those higher seeded teams.

I dunno ... just impressed with NDSU 2013, but SDSU 2023 is right there.

[FUBeAR]

Y’know - if FUBeAR were still a Griz Fan this week, our Championship QB moving along to School/Team #5 (not counting his “forever” commitment to Southern U. just before he “forever” became a Griz) might perturb FUBeAR. But, as FUBeAR is no longer a Griz Fan and is teetering on the precipice of remaining a “College” Football Fan, this sort of stuff just rolls off his fur.

https://twitter.com/_cliff10/status/1744894560998990096

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Junior Bergen entered the portal as well. To be expected imo...

[Silenoz]

Junior Bergen entered the portal as well. To be expected imo...
Rumors of Colorado for a month now

I don't blame anyone who hops on a chance for a lot of money and a degree from a potentially extremely prestigious school.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Rumors of Colorado for a month now

I don't blame anyone who hops on a chance for a lot of money and a degree from a potentially extremely prestigious school.

First I must acknowledge, I did speak in definitive terms. With that said, after further digging nothing formal has been announced?

[mvemjsunpx]

Junior Bergen entered the portal as well. To be expected imo...

Where are you seeing this? I mean, we're all kind-of expecting him to jump in the portal, but I haven't seen anything indicating that it's actually happened.


*edit* - Never mind, I just saw your last post.

[Christiank22]

SDSU got the nod for better/tougher playoff performance, given tougher SOS.

NDSU had such a dominant overall season .. so I'm still thinking NDSU 2013 was better, even though SDSU had a more impressive playoff walking into those higher seeded teams.

I dunno ... just impressed with NDSU 2013, but SDSU 2023 is right there.

Per sagarins overall scoring? Idk the number rating such as, 83.96 or whatever, SDSU would be third behind 2013 and 2018 NDSU. Essentially they are tied with 2018 NDSU at 83.28 (2018 NDSU was 83.40)

2013 NDSU was 86.38 which would put them at 15 this year

[Redbird 4th & short]

Per sagarins overall scoring? Idk the number rating such as, 83.96 or whatever, SDSU would be third behind 2013 and 2018 NDSU. Essentially they are tied with 2018 NDSU at 83.28 (2018 NDSU was 83.40)

2013 NDSU was 86.38 which would put them at 15 this year

Honestly, I'm a bit of a nerd and can't get past how much 2013 Bison dominated the score board and every statistical category much moreso than SDSU. So given comparable records and scores, the Bison dominated far more team stat rankings and by much bigger margins in many cases. I realize it's just stats ... but it was remarkable how they dominated nearly every phase statistically ... 2023 SDSU wasn't statistically as dominant ... not really close actually.

Counter argument "could be" that MVFC was stronger in 2023 than 2013, which is certainly true. But but but ... oh, I dunno .. my gut is still going with 2013 Bison .. makes my 2014 Redbirds seem better ??? xdrunkyx

[Christiank22]

Honestly, I'm a bit of a nerd and can't get past how much 2013 Bison dominated the score board and every statistical category much moreso than SDSU. So given comparable records and scores, the Bison dominated far more team stat rankings and by much bigger margins in many cases. I realize it's just stats ... but it was remarkable how they dominated nearly every phase statistically ... 2023 SDSU wasn't statistically as dominant ... not really close actually.

Counter argument "could be" that MVFC was stronger in 2023 than 2013, which is certainly true. But but but ... oh, I dunno .. my gut is still going with 2013 Bison .. makes my 2014 Redbirds seem better ??? xdrunkyx

It’s hard to compare the conference IMO. I felt like the Mvfc was down this year personally but that could be just because my favorite team was down. I should look at composite conference ratings on sagarin

[Pards Rule]

Never had a problem with you Pards, but I will if you keep this up. Zero poli on FCS so cut the **** and don't do it again.

Yes sir. Im sorry a little too much cerveza and I was stirring the pot in a good natured way. If you count the period of Nov 2005 (join date) to the end of that year as one year, Im celebrating 20 years on AGS!! All is well.

[Redbird 4th & short]

It’s hard to compare the conference IMO. I felt like the Mvfc was down this year personally but that could be just because my favorite team was down. I should look at composite conference ratings on sagarin

Have to disagree on MVFC being down this year ... got 6 teams, all deserved IMO. And all performed reasonably or very well. Total record was 10-5, or 9-4 removing MVFC head to head. Had 5 in top 16, 3 in top 8, 2 in top 4, plus another Natty.

SDSU was 4-0 knocking off #8, #5, #2 plus a solid Mercer team in opener. Smoked everyone but Villanova.

NDSU was 3-1, no seed, knocking off #6, #3, and nearly beating #2 Montana on road. Probably win that game at home. Played on road every game after playin.

USD was 1-1, as a 3 seed .. beat a solid #13 Sacramento by 10, but go smoke by NDSU .. Bison were clearly heating up after earlier season issues.

YSU was 1-1, smoked their playin game by 33, lost to #8 Villanova by 17 on road. This was worst loss by far to a tough 8 seed, now ranked #5 by Stats

SIU was 1-1, smoked their playin game by 35, lost to #4 Idaho by 3 on road - should have won that game driving with tied score .. could have had FG chip shot, oddly let clock run and lose plays that could have gotten them makeble FG.

UND was 0-1, lost by 7 to #13 Sacramento at home .. played them even, but lost a close one to another good team.

So obviously the DSUs were a combined 7-1, and the new "Wings" (less our 2 best teams now) were 3-4 combined. Though 3-3 excluding MVFC cannibalization. So the 3rd thru 6th place MVFC teams went .500 in the playoffs with just 1 spotty showing out of 15 games .. YSU losing by 17 on road to Villanova. Granted USD was smoked by NDSU, but USD was legit and beat a #13 by 10. The other 3 MVFC losses were by a combined 12 points, with 2 of 3 on road, and seeded/ranked 2, 4, and 13.

When our 1st and 2nd best teams are dominating. And our 3rd-6th place teams are competing well (playing .500) with rest of playoff field, it says something.

Edit: Last point ... just noticed, MVFC teams occupied just 2 seeds .. #1 and #3, yet knocked out the #2, #3, #5, #6, #8, and should/could have beat the #4 on road. Leaving only #7 seed Furman to be knocked out by a non-MVFC team, #2 Montana.

[caribbeanhen]

Have to disagree on MVFC being down this year ... got 6 teams, all deserved IMO. And all performed reasonably or very well. Total record was 10-5, or 9-4 removing MVFC head to head. Had 5 in top 16, 3 in top 8, 2 in top 4, plus another Natty.

SDSU was 4-0 knocking off #8, #5, #2 plus a solid Mercer team in opener. Smoked everyone but Villanova.

NDSU was 3-1, no seed, knocking off #6, #3, and nearly beating #2 Montana on road. Probably win that game at home. Played on road every game after playin.

USD was 1-1, as a 3 seed .. beat a solid #13 Sacramento by 10, but go smoke by NDSU .. Bison were clearly heating up after earlier season issues.

YSU was 1-1, smoked their playin game by 33, lost to #8 Villanova by 17 on road. This was worst loss by far to a tough 8 seed, now ranked #5 by Stats

SIU was 1-1, smoked their playin game by 35, lost to #4 Idaho by 3 on road - should have won that game driving with tied score .. could have had FG chip shot, oddly let clock run and lose plays that could have gotten them makeble FG.

UND was 0-1, lost by 7 to #13 Sacramento at home .. played them even, but lost a close one to another good team.

So obviously the DSUs were a combined 7-1, and the new "Wings" (less our 2 best teams now) were 3-4 combined. Though 3-3 excluding MVFC cannibalization. So the 3rd thru 6th place MVFC teams went .500 in the playoffs with just 1 spotty showing out of 15 games .. YSU losing by 17 on road to Villanova. Granted USD was smoked by NDSU, but USD was legit and beat a #13 by 10. The other 3 MVFC losses were by a combined 12 points, with 2 of 3 on road, and seeded/ranked 2, 4, and 13.

When our 1st and 2nd best teams are dominating. And our 3rd-6th place teams are competing well (playing .500) with rest of playoff field, it says something.

Edit: Last point ... just noticed, MVFC teams occupied just 2 seeds .. #1 and #3, yet knocked out the #2, #3, #5, #6, #8, and should/could have beat the #4 on road. Leaving only #7 seed Furman to be knocked out by a non-MVFC team, #2 Montana.

McCartney has taken up residence in Brookings, South Dakota and left his Wings in Fargo and other isolated places throughout the mid-west

[Redbird 4th & short]

McCartney has taken up residence in Brookings, South Dakota and left his Wings in Fargo and other isolated places throughout the mid-west


Eh ... more like if John Lennon came back from the dead, and joined Paul and the Wings. May not roll off the tongue as easy, let's see .. Paul McCartney & John Lennon & the Wings ... yeah, it works !!!!

Mind you, NDSU made Natty last year, and nearly made it again this year. But I'm glad to roll Paul into the Wings .. it will really improve the Wings overall playoff record for these debates.

xdrunkyx

Speaking of coming back from the dead .. no predictions yet, but Tom Petty (of Traveling Wilburys analogy) may also be coming back (I called dibs on Petty for my Redbirds). Keep an eye on ISUr for next fall. Losing just 8 SRs, returning 25 SRs and 30 JRs for the 2024 fall season .. that's half our current roster. Plus have 5 P5s and 2 G5s via portal committed. We were a quiet 6-5 this year .. but 4 of 5 losses were by combined 8 pts to YSU, UND, UNI, and EIU .. all 4 were ranked 12 to 25 for part or most of year. And our defense sucked earlier in year due to 2022 losses, but got better later in year. Lot of optimism in Redbird country .. as offseasons go. We'll see ... but this is best we've felt in a long time.

[Ridge1982]

The Braves won a WS in 1995

Tommy Glavine shutout and David Justice solo HR for a 1-0 win over the Indians
I know, but they too have won only 2 championships since they’ve been in Atlanta since 1966 while they should’ve had more.

[caribbeanhen]

I know, but they too have won only 2 championships since they’ve been in Atlanta since 1966 while they should’ve had more.

True but I’ll take the 2

Grew up with Braves baseball in the Seventies before it was “cool” to be a Braves fan

[Redbird 4th & short]

I know, but they too have won only 2 championships since they’ve been in Atlanta since 1966 while they should’ve had more.

Well, as a life long Cubs fan .... I'm with Caribean

https://y.yarn.co/b70f9111-932f-41ac-8143-d6bbdd215902_text.gif

[uni88]

True but I’ll take the 2

Grew up with Braves baseball in the Seventies before it was “cool” to be a Braves fan

Didn't the Braves start to become popular nationwide in the 70's when their games were shown on TBS?

[Born a Rabbit]

It’s hard to compare the conference IMO. I felt like the Mvfc was down this year personally but that could be just because my favorite team was down. I should look at composite conference ratings on sagarin

considering that NDSU probably should have beaten UM on the road- if they just keep running the ball in OT- even evidence for them being down is weak but the conference as a whole being down could not be further from true. 6 teams in playoffs and UNI was as good as at least half the field also

[caribbeanhen]

Didn't the Braves start to become popular nationwide in the 70's when their games were shown on TBS?

TBS made the Braves “Americas Team” but I would say early Eighties is when they started catching on

[clenz]

UNI was as good as at least half the field also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPGwfDxvHuM

[Catbooster]

considering that NDSU probably should have beaten UM on the road- if they just keep running the ball in OT- even evidence for them being down is weak but the conference as a whole being down could not be further from true. 6 teams in playoffs and UNI was as good as at least half the field also
If they're as good as half the field, shouldn't they be ranked in the top 15 for the final poll?

[Redbird 4th & short]

If they're as good as half the field, shouldn't they be ranked in the top 15 for the final poll?
I wouldn't go that far, but it they are realistically a Top 20 team. And as far as the playoff field, I would say they would have been able to beat or compete very well many of those teams:

4 At Large Bids: NC Central, Richmond, UTC, and Mercer .. in ascening order, meaning UNI would decisively beat NCC and Richmond.

5 Auto Bids: Drake, Duquense, Lafayette, Nicholl, Gardner-Webb ... this were exceptionally weak pool this year, though I know some of these teams have improved some ... just not top 24.

It's getting like it was 10 years ago with very weak autobid field .. more than 1 or 2. Nearly got IW in as at large, but the Committee got some sense there. Not saying UTC and Mercer weren't deserving, but UNI would likely beat them. The 2 most questionable at large IMO were Richmond and NC Central ... such weak SOS with no strong/signature wins, many weak wins, and a couple weak losses. UNI should have been 1 of the last 4 in for sure .. IMHO. Though I realize the optics of 6-5 and 7th MVFC team made that impossible.

Not saying they would go 9-0 against those teams, but they would be favored against every one of them.

[Pards Rule]

Well, as a life long Cubs fan .... I'm with Caribean

https://y.yarn.co/b70f9111-932f-41ac-8143-d6bbdd215902_text.gif

Redbird I presume you know Joe Maddon was a 1976 Lafayette grad. Big alum booster. From Hazleton PA. Actually was starting QB of the frosh team (when LC had one) and he walked into head football coach Neil Putnams office after that year to announce he was going to concentrate on baseball team

[Pards Rule]

TBS made the Braves “Americas Team” but I would say early Eighties is when they started catching on

Yes when cable was subscribed to in more US homes then. I recall a neighbor when I was in high school indeed had cable - yep a cord across the floor attached to TV and he had a 3 tier channel selector on his lap!! This was late 70s - I was in high school

[Pards Rule]

I wouldn't go that far, but it they are realistically a Top 20 team. And as far as the playoff field, I would say they would have been able to beat or compete very well many of those teams:

4 At Large Bids: NC Central, Richmond, UTC, and Mercer .. in ascening order, meaning UNI would decisively beat NCC and Richmond.

5 Auto Bids: Drake, Duquense, Lafayette, Nicholl, Gardner-Webb ... this were exceptionally weak pool this year, though I know some of these teams have improved some ... just not top 24.

It's getting like it was 10 years ago with very weak autobid field .. more than 1 or 2. Nearly got IW in as at large, but the Committee got some sense there. Not saying UTC and Mercer weren't deserving, but UNI would likely beat them. The 2 most questionable at large IMO were Richmond and NC Central ... such weak SOS with no strong/signature wins, many weak wins, and a couple weak losses. UNI should have been 1 of the last 4 in for sure .. IMHO. Though I realize the optics of 6-5 and 7th MVFC team made that impossible.

Not saying they would go 9-0 against those teams, but they would be favored against every one of them.

Redbird, wait. Lafayette played an exceptional game against now FBS Delaware and only lost by 2 - our starting QB went down mid 3rd with ankle injury and we lost our mojo. Hens fans after the game told me if DeNobile didnt go down they think they would have lost.

[caribbeanhen]

Redbird I presume you know Joe Maddon was a 1976 Lafayette grad. Big alum booster. From Hazleton PA. Actually was starting QB of the frosh team (when LC had one) and he walked into head football coach Neil Putnams office after that year to announce he was going to concentrate on baseball team

I didn’t know any of that but I’m not Redbird either

[Redbird 4th & short]

Pard .. I didn't kno that. Dude could have run for Mayor and won when he was here. His mantra to team was simple .. Just Try Not to Suck !!

All of my Chicago teams could sure use that advice right now .. he even wrote a book !!

https://www.amazon.com/Try-Not-Suck-Exceptional-Extraordinary/dp/1629374768

[Redbird 4th & short]

That was definitely a great playoff performance, but I'm referring to whole season, not a single game. And I do see that Lafayette has cmade a big jump this season from 4-7 to 9-3. Again, I get UNI at 6-5 was never going to be a 7th bid from MVFC .. so not complaining at all. But point is same, they were as good or better than 6 to 8 teams that made playoffs.

Question .. does Lafayette have a lot returning .. how many starters ?

[Pards Rule]

That was definitely a great playoff performance, but I'm referring to whole season, not a single game. And I do see that Lafayette has cmade a big jump this season from 4-7 to 9-3. Again, I get UNI at 6-5 was never going to be a 7th bid from MVFC .. so not complaining at all. But point is same, they were as good or better than 6 to 8 teams that made playoffs.

Question .. does Lafayette have a lot returning .. how many starters ?

I think a solid group returning but losing Olivas and Schaeffer at LB. Also tow stud OLs Olmsted and Barr..Really good crop of frosh and sophs though.